This is from Lou, "Damn those cotton pickin black folks" Dobbs.

it's good to know that you are know posting videos of such a racist.

If Scaife is now a positive contributor to pro-Clinton discourse, why not Lou Dobbs?

Glad to see you have been allowed back into the fold. While I may not agree with many of your views on the primary, I've always thought you to be a great advocate for your candidate.

Wow, they unbanned you!

oh stop, lou Dobbs said something STUPID, that doesn't make him a racist. jeez

Lou Dobbs hates Obama because of his stance on immigration and Dobbs, well, you know he doesn't like Latinos nor immigrants in general.

Welcome back!  

Regardless of Lou's stance on immigration and other issues, on this subject he is absolutely correct, imho.

I find it refreshing to watch Lou Dobbs now, instead of Oprah in the 4pm timeslot (i'm on west coast).

Lou, didn't touch Obama or Hillary all that much until Obama rightly hit him on his race-baiting (seriously Lou you have a problem with Hispanics, just admit it and get over it okay bud, if you didn't have problem with legal immigrants you wouldn't continually run stories about Hispanic Cluture, English only and the like), so I think its more a vendetta than any analysis.

Also, never seen greater Favoritism? Really, he is aware that John McCain is a canidate right?

Hey, you're back. Right on!

She never learns. Away one day and comes back featuring videos of a known racist.

Yay!  I just heard you were gone, much to my dismay.  And here you are -- I'm glad of it.

Let me give you a hint regarding who he favors for president:  it's whoever the republican is.  

Dobbs used to be a republican before he decided he could sell more books as a pretend-populist.  Now, he talks about the "war on the middle class," but blames the problems primarily on Democrats.  Which, of course, is ridiculous.    

...who will support McCain, and who would prefer to compete against Hillary. Factor that bit of context into whatever comes out of his mouth.

With the endless of loop of Jeremiah Wright still playing in the media, and Obama ridiculously getting blamed in the media over and over for FL and MI not re-voting (he had nothing to do with FL's decision to not re-vote, and he simply asked in MI that the penalty to crossover voters in the "didn't count" election be lifted)--I hardly see where he's gotten kid gloves treatment.

That said, I thought Obama's immigration position was fairly aggressive.. he favors heavy sanctions on employers (which is where the problem begins and ends) and would force businesses to prove they could not fill positions with citizens before allowing guest workers.

How is Hillary's immigration position stronger or different?

Welcome back, TD! Thanks to the mods for reconsidering...

I've liked him for a long time because he is a populist, speaking for the working people and middle class.   He's also a straight shooter and not in anyone's pocket.  

I am so glad to see you again! I bet there was some sort of mistake.

Why don't you join us at Hillary's Voice as well?  You have a lot of supporters there as well, including Linfar who also has been banned along with a bunch of others.  Email me at cjbardy@parsingwords.com and I will send you the link.

so that narrows the field.

I don't know how I missed this, but thankfully it's up on rcd list.

WELCOME BACK!!!

Thanks for the diary too! ;-)

One thing I've learned through all of this fighting and fussing among us:  Don't be so quick to label somebody you hate as incapable of making sense.  I've NEVER been a fan of Lou Dobbs, especially on the immigration issue, so I "turned him out" and refused to listen to him.  But it's true what they say, that you can learn something from anybody---even people you don't like.  Lou Dobbs is certainly calling it like he sees it re: the media bias against Hillary, and (gulp) he is absolutely right on.

  I'm looking forward to your dairy on Anne Coulter's endorsement of Hillary.  

I don't agree with Lou Dobbs on the 2nd amendment, but he does stick up for middle class on some important stuff -- the economy and outsourcing jobs and foreclosure crisis.  

and he's right to point out Obama can't get the needed number of delegates to secure nomination.  MSM always leaves that out of their false (half-truth) spin.

anyway, since the draw of Obama is he can win over conservatives like Dobbs, maybe O people need to change their hate-Dobbs tune.  and if Obama is so sincere about reaching over to conservatives, maybe he ought to take up Chris Wallace's invitation to come on his show.

So good to read you again, my dear!!

Good to see you back. I do not like Lou Dobbs and most of what he stands for but he is correct in these statements. It is appalling to see that the minute we don't agree with what someone says we think it is okay to demean them.

Neither Hillary nor Barack can win without the votes of SD and that's a fact no matter who says it. Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean said it also. What names are we going to call them?

Well, that settles it! Neither Democrat has a chance, so we might as well just install McSame now and be done with it. I am so glad we have luminaries like Lou Dobbs to tell us how it is.

/good grief

SO glad to see you back TexasDarlin!

and all the cable presenters are under instructions to keep this primary contest alive as loooooong as possible. This has been there most sucessful Feb/March for years (ever?). While most networks are struggling with the effects of the recently ended strike and reduced demand for advertising, the cable views networks have been raking in viewers and moolah. Dobbs et al have to keep both sets of supporters happy. I think it would be a mistake to think he really cares about the integrity of the Demcratic party primary process. He doesn't and I think you would help yourself and your candidate more by recognizing his faux outrage.

Welcome back TD. I'm not a big fan of your work but you should be able to say it. What did you do to upset the big boys?

Now the tent even includes the blatantly racist Lou Dobbs.    

To answer your question as to who he will vote for?

John McCain

I may be an Obama, guy, but I didn't see why TD was banned from the site.

One of them is going to win the nomination, obviously.  The key to the nomination is how the superdelegates split.  Obama's threshold is simply much lower, and he will likely have a more compelling "will of the voters argument".  The threshold will likely only move slightly with the margins in the remaining contests.  (Note to HRC supporters: margins are much more important than win-loss columns.  That Obama won a bigger popular margin in his home state (IL) than Clinton in hers (NY) despite IL being only about 65% the size of NY should send chils down your spine.)

Dobbs seems to imply all the remaining superdels will vote as a block for one candidate or the other.  I have no idea why that would be the case.  Is Dobbs saying Clinton has as much chance of getting two thirds of them as Obama has of getting one third?  He has no real point.

Dobbs correctly points put that the mood-swinging MSM has gone from one end of the spectrum to the other on coverage of Clinton-Obama. We shouldn't be surprised, not should we let it stop us from getting one of them, or both, elected in November.

Welcome back, TD!  

I think it's important to point out that the calls for Hillary's withdrawal are not just unfair and inappropriate, but are specifically and cynically intended to damage her campaign.  Not one of the Pelosi/Leahy/Obama bunch could possibly believe that they will actually "convince" her to quit if they make their point eloquently enough.  

In fact, they know for a fact she won't.  Note the timing:  these calls are coming before the primary in a state she will almost certainly win.  Why on earth would she quit now?  

What they do know is this: that these calls, and the constant lockstep media drumbeat they generate, throw her off message, demoralize her supporters, and, most importantly, chill her fundraising.  They also clearly feed into the the caricature of her as a do-anything-to-win hurting-the-party sore loser.

And that's why they're doing it.

I don't compliment Dobbs often, but he nailed that.

I'd just like to say that I am so relieved that I don't have to cite Newsmax, link to Fox, or quote Lou Dobbs to support my candidate.

Who's next, Bill O'Reilly?

first of all welcome back texas darling  

and I have a confession to make I used to think you and your fellow Hillary supporters were out of line with your crazy rants about the media's showing favortism with Obama  but I have seen a clear example last night on Chris Matthews show last night on MSNBC he was interviewing Murtha and really trying to hammer him on his support for Hillary because she voted on the war. As a Obama supporter I was cringing. I live in PA and he will be interview Obama today live from west chester university today I am scared to watch I hope either him or the students ask fair questions and not baby him because that will not help him at all  thats my 2 cents  

Sure, it's almost certain that either candidate needs some amount of superdelegates to win -- that's virtually a given.

The difference is that Obama's going to need something like 20-40% of the remaining uncommitted supers, and Hillary will need 65-85% of them, depending on the splits of the remaining contests.

Asking the superdelegates to ratify the combined outcome of the primary contests as a minority versus asking them to overturn that outcome as a supermajority is not only a scenario that is magnitudes of order less difficult, but one that is politically easy and expedient versus one that is, to put it lightly, incredibly risky.

We don't have to agree on what should happen or what we want to happen to agree on the reality that there's a mountain of difference between the two.

Lou Dobbs has lost my respect in general. As far as he is concerned he should be running for president, Americas #1 problem is Mexicans, and a lack of Patriotism seems to be a crisis in AMERICA. He is a Psuedo conservative hate monger, why would we rely on him for objective analysis I DO NOT KNOW. Its right up there with relying on FOX NEWS. I think Hillary supporters should at least ACT LIKE they know the games bieng played. There are not free hand outs of good will cause they just love Hillary get real. They act for there own interests and you should never forget it.

Whenever people say "neither has enough to get to 2024 without superdelegates", I don't understand how this is supposed to be an argument.

Many of us, me included, would think turning over the will of the pledged delegates to be an utter travesty. It should never happen. In that sense, superdelegates should act more like a ratifying committee. Imagine if after the general election, if Obama beat McCain, someone said "it doesn't matter who won more votes yesterday, because neither one of them can win without the electors!"

Well, that's stupid, because the electors are morally and sometimes legally bound to follow the results of the election. Anyone who tried to win over faithless electors to overturn the will of the election results would be seen as stealing a democratic election and probably would be tarred and feathered.

Superdelegates should  be the same. If Obama has more pledged delegates, he should win. Morally, democratically, logically. To say he won't have won, even if he wins in pledged delegates, and will need to rely on superdelegates is no more of a good argument than to say his win must still be ratified. Well, of course it has to be ratified, but that shouldn't be an issue.

The Hillary supporters' Hot/Not Media List!!!

Not:
Keith Olbermann
Rachel Maddow
Frank Rich
Randi Rhodes
Josh Marshall
Eugene Robinson

Hot:
Joe Scarborough
Victor David Hansen
Michael Smerconish
Patrick Buchanan
Sean Hannity
Mark Steyn

and now...
Lou Dobbs

Welcome aboard, Lou!

I can't believe the tile of this diary.  Dobbs is xenophobic to the point of paranoia.  Why would any Democrat want to use him to prove their point about anything?

The last time the media demonstrated this much irresponsible bias was during the run up to the Iraq war.  I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion on the blogs about Noam Chompsky's ideas regarding manufactured consent.

Welcome back Texas.

And yes, he was spot on.  It's almost startling to see how a real journalist handles an interview.

When Obama reaches 1626 pledged delegates, the supers will start coming to him en masse.  He will win.

Why do I say this?  Well, that's the number of pledged delegates one would need to win, were there no superdelegates at all.

I'm willing to bet that this is the number that is being whispered behind closed doors.

Incidentally, the number of Obama's current superdelegates plus the currently unpledged superedelegates is more than enough for him to reach the magic number at that point, by 150 or so.

That thudding sound you hear is real Democrats crying tears for the day that MyDD truly jumped the shark.  We'll never sort out the misguided from the malicious here with the voice of Lou Dobbs at the top of the Rec list.

Well, fair to everyone except minorities. Do you really want to source your argument to Lou Dobbs? I mean, you're welcome to, but it just seems a little desperate.

He has been a strong voice against the Iraq War.
He is strongly against NAFTA.  

These are two positions he shares with most Democrats.  
I do not believe he will be voting for McCain in '08.

As for his comments on the press coverage of Clinton, he is right on!  Why does it take Lou Dobbs to point out that the current framing of the superdelegate question has been entirely in Obama's favor?  It is perfectly factual that Obama doesn't have the votes either!  So good for Lou Dobbs to be brave enough to point out the obvious.

I don't agree with the idea of the Lou's video(one of the democrats win the nomination).

However, I am glad to see you are back.  You are a good advocate for your candidate, and usually stay on the "Pro" side of the fence instead of the "anti" when referring to the democratic candidates.  We all should agree that the candidate whom deserves the "anti" diaries is John McCain

Tipped to help restore your mojo.

Yes Lou Dobbs is correct.

NBC is definitely in the tank for Barack Obama. NBC/MSNBC are the worst.

so glad to see it!!!

You Rock!!!

He has in fact been one of the fairest commentators on any cable channel this election season, certainly on CNN.

Except for when Fox News is being "more" fair, right?

Any port in a storm, I guess.

Lou Dobbs?
seriously..a year ago would a diary praising Lou Dobbs have been posted at MyDD?
"Thank the lord someone in prime time gets it"

Let me ask ya Texas..do you think he "gets it" on immigration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8M1WwhN SA

check a story about Lou Dobbs:

http://www.november3rdclub.com/11-07/fic tion/gupta.html

I liked Lou Dobbs when he talked about money.  When he started turning his show into a mexican bashing party I turned it off for good.  Same reason I don't take anything Tweety says seriously anymore.

Once your whole schtick becomes about dissing a race or sex, or whatever...I am done with ya.

...or is it finally, a finely crafted short story?

You are all probably aware of the campaign to shut up Lou Dobbs on illegal immigration.  

Well, this is the reason you should ignore those people.

Not only did he state the obvious, which frankly the minute I heard about MI and FL and this is before we had a close race, I was positively disgusted with the DNC and especially Howard Dean.  I know the Deaniacs love him but man, I just felt that was completely outrageous, the entire system the DNC had set up for a primary.  I mean to me it's just an abuse of power for this organization to tell states when they can hold their primaries and then to say they have no vote is astounding to me!  My God, these are two major states!

That aside, Dobbs has on stuff that just isn't covered in the MSM all of the time.  On trade, on labor rights, on health care, all sorts of stuff and he has one citizen activists to be interviewed too.  Now that is one avenue to the people's voice
and maybe you don't like what he has to say on immigration, well, deal with it and don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

He really is the only avenue out there.  Note you never see Keith Olberman having on Consumer advocates or people talking about how the American worker is getting royally screwed.

does anybody know if Lou Dobb's wife might have infected america with leprosy?

Welcome back!  

And don't worry.  I know you're not a Lou Dobbs fan.  You were just pointing out that he's one of the few people in the media willing to point out that Obama can't win with just pledged delegates either.

After all the title sounds like a emphatic endorsement of him.

For those of you dogging Lou Dobbs, remember that he was one of the first to start on President Bush and his incompetence.

...try to muzzle a woman with TEXAS in here name.  

In the words of the great one "I pity da fool!"

Dobbs is a fella who says it straight from his gut, whether or not you agree with it.

Thanks for posting that!

bedfellows - I did not expect Kos to allow Drudgification of the daily kos and I did not expect Lou Dobbs to come out with the clearest articulation yet about media bias and and democracy.

Lou, carry on.  You are 100% correct.

IMO what I think some people here seem to forget is pundits who want a Republican in the WH in 2009 want to see the Democratic Primary go as long as it possibly can.  This way it continues to divide our party until both sides  develop a permanent grudge against each other that carries into the GE.  Lou Dobbs is just tossing a log into the fire.

By saying what he says, he gets in some early digs in on Obama and he fires up the Pro-Clinton crowd who develop resentments toward the Pro-Obama folk.  Hence, the typical divide and conquer strategy.

Any Democrat who believes that Lou Dobbs, who spouts jingoistic rhetoric day in and day out attacking Latinos is correct, needs to join the
Republican party, where most Dixiecrats fled to.

It's comments like his - and yours madame, that are opening the eyes of Latinos to recognize just who supports their issues and communities in the Democratic Party.
 

http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/30/lou-do bbs-racist-venom/

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2 008/03/lou-dobbs-is-racist-pig.html

Tell ya folks what..find me a link a any lefty blog praising Dobbs.

Yes. Dobbs is correct. He was pointing out a well-known truth. The media is in the tank for Obama. It's patently obvious to anyone who watches the media anymore--particularly MSNBC.

Here's another truth: If Obama is the nominee and is running against McCain (who the media loves even more than Obama), the same people who are complaining about Dobbs will be praising him to the heavens when he asserts that the media is giving McCain more positive press than Obama!

Their problem isn't Dobbs; it's anyone who points out anything they perceive as an attack on their cult leader.

It's no good to quote Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame, Taylor Marsh, Larry Johnson, SusanUnPC, Jeralyn Merrit, Big Tent Democrat, or anyone of a host of progressives, who would agree with Dobb's assertion regarding media coverage of Clinton. But, it's not okay to quote Lou Dobbs, either,  because he's a Republican.

But, I laughed out loud to think that a progressive would say that to quote Lou Dobbs is 'possibly criminal'! That is the most ludicrous and ridiculous argument I've ever heard! Such idiocy and stupidity simply doesn't even deserve a response. It's patently moronic.

The only answer is to simply post whatever you believe is reality-based truth; and then let the chips fall where they may. Don't bother to respond to their lunatic arguments about how it's criminal to quote a source because they are a Republican.

Some people are incapable of seeing their hypocrisy: They'll turn right around tomorrow and defend Republican Chuck Hagel to the death, because they think Barack Obama might choose him as a VP, which, in their mind would be a brilliant stroke of genius!!

Ya Gotta Laugh, Or You'll Cry...

sigh

I suppose I'm wasting my breath, but here goes: The unspoken premise of Dobbs' argument, oft-repeated around here, is that all numbers below the "magic" number are equal. There is a huge difference between candidate A having 100 more delegates than candidate B and being put over the top by super delegates and candidate B trailing by 100 and winning because of superdelegates. In the former case, supers merely affirm the result of the vote. In the latter case, they overturn it.

The fact that neither candidate can lock up the nomination without supers DOES NOT mean that they are on precisely equal footing.

Suprise, surprise...Lou got something wrong.

Why is it that the media was not unfair before the primaries began when Hillary was declared the inevitable candidate before a vote was ever cast?

It seems to me that the media is only responding to the events on the ground. Of course there are members of the media that go too far in their praise of Obama. But lets look at the facts.

He is leading in the delegate count.
He is leading in the popular vote count.
He is leading in the number of states won.
He is seen as better for down ticket races.
He has been amassing super delegate support while Hillary has been losing hers.
He has outraised Hillary just about every month - including a ridiculous 55,000,000 in February.
His campaign has been the model of efficiency and professionalism, whereas Hillary's campaign staff are constantly backbiting/infighting and in debt.
He managed to weather what might have been an otherwise fatal development (Wright).
He is not seen as willing to sacrifice the Democratic Party's chances in November for his own personal gain.
He does not have a former President, a person who was highly respected, acting like a campaign hack on the trail.
He doesn't treat the media with contempt by telling blatant lies (Bosnia), or obscuring information (the $5M loan).

WELL SAID!  I am tired of this name calling and accusations just because they don't want to hear what you have to say or the facts show.

how sad is it that on a supposedly Democratic site there are people who hate Obama so much that they will support openly bigoted pricks like Lou Dobbs?

1) Barack Obama is a Democrat.

2) the Democratic party has anti-racism in it's platform.

3) The Democratic party supports comprehensive immigration reform.

4) Lou Dobbs says comprehensive immigration reform is traitorous to our nation.

5) the definition of a troll is one who comes to a democratic site to push anti-Democratic positions.

THEREFORE:
if you support Dobbs over Obama you are behaving as a right-wing Troll.

i respectfully ask the admins to discipline this diarest as a troll, for supporting a conservative who launches racist attacks on one of OUR DEMOCRATIC candidates.

Highgrade, you don't seem to have your facts right.

You made so  many laughable statements there that I don't even know where to start.

1. delegate count? did you count the FL and MI delegates? of course not. Make no mistake about it, they will be seated. And there are 10 more states that have yet to vote.
   
2. This one is the most laughble of them all. Again, the voices of FL and MI are not included there, right? And did anybody tell you that more than 90% of his "popular  vote" count comes from his county in IL? Sure, that will translate into popular votes in the GE.
   
3. Yeah, he won a majorority of rigged caucuses in red states that will never turn blue in the Fall.
   
4. Really? Polls mean absolutely nothing right now.
   
5. We'll see about that in the convention. Anybody can change their allegiance at any time.
   
6. He has the rich men to support him, but if money were everything, Mitt Romney would have been the Repug nominee.
   
7. If his campaign is a model of professionalism, I hope we'll only have unprofessional campaigns in the future. This has been the dirtiest campaign I've ever seen in my life. Injecting race to advance their goals is totally repulsive. They lost many voters with that abhorrent race card tatic. And how about their intimidqation to AA delegates that did not endorse him? Or his determination to silence the voices of 2.5 million voters in MI and FL, so he can have an illegitimate advantage before the convention?
   
8. You think Rev. Wrong is behind him? Keep deluding yourself. That was the kiss of death to his campaign. It proved he has no judgment, no leadership, and will corroborate his "lack of patriotism" among other things that the Republicans will bring back in the Fall. This alone will be enough to make him totally unelectable. Republicans won't even need to touch his lack of "experience" and cocaine use.
   
9. This is a joke, right? Hewants to pursue his delusions of grandeur at any cost. He didn't win any big blue state, other than IL. How is he supposed to win in November?
   
10. You are right about that. He has all the losers' endorsements like Kerry, kennedy, Richardson,Dodd, etc, and he'll probably get a few more losers. He doesn't have the only winner in the democratic party in the past 30 years, which makes total sense. However, he has Orcah's money and support, plus all the biased media the special interests behind his candidacy can buy.
    
11. Man, can I have some of that that you are consuming? If I were to list all his lies, I would need more than a  page to reply to this. How about his claim that his parents met at the Selma March? Only thing is, he was born about 4 years before that event. He claimed his father came over to the United States because of the generosity of President Kennedy but his father came to the US before Kennedy was president. He claimed he was a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, when in fact he was just a lecturer, etc... He will also have a lot of explaining to do concerning his friendships with indicted corrupt patron Rezko, Farrakhan, weather underground, wright.
    

A lot of the extreme right wingers prefer Hillary to Obama. Ann Coulter prefers Hillary to McCain considering her more conservative:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxV Mc

TexasDarlin, I respect your sincere support for your candidate, but I have to completely disagree with your choice of messenger here.  Couldn't you have found someone less divisive to quote?  Dobbs is an odious person.