Lou Dobbs is Correct [Updated x2]

Here's Lou Dobbs giving 'em hell last night.  Thank the lord someone in prime time gets it:

"...What you said was she cannot win the nomination...well, neither can Senator Obama."

"...Why in the world is there this compulsion, this insistence, that she can't win the nomination....neither can Senator Obama!" (emphasis by Lou)

"...And I have never seen in my career greater favoritism applied in the national media..."

Lou is correct.  And I don't care whether Lou's views on public policy are conservative, moderate, or whatever.  He has in fact been one of the fairest commentators on any cable channel this election season, certainly on CNN.  
You can't even tell who he prefers for President...imagine that!

Give 'em hell Lou:

Updated 4/2/08 5:25 PM PST: In response to the comments below suggesting that it's un-Democratic and possibly criminal to quote Lou Dobbs, I want to clarify. The purpose of this diary is not to endorse or defend Lou Dobbs as a person or any economic, social, or political position he may hold. The intent of the diary is to endorse Dobbs' comments that are shown in the blockquotes, which unfortunately have not been heard so forcefully from any other prime-time broadcaster. In my view, it's myopic and un-democratic to pigeonhole a person: because Dobbs has conservative opinions about immigration, for example, doesn't rule out the possibility that he may have something of merit to say on another issue.

Updated 4/3/08 10:14 AM PST: I would like to note that several commenters to this diary have expressly or implicitly called me a racist. I urge myDD, in the strongest terms possible, to discourage and penalize this lowest form of insult. One such comment was posted at 12:30:06 PM EST



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Welcome back =) (2.00 / 12)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:20:19 PM EST

Re: Welcome back =) (2.00 / 19)

Thank you, thanks to the myDD friends/fellow bloggers for their support, and thanks to Jonathan, Todd, and Jerome for letting me participate!

I'm very happy to be here.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:23:32 PM EST
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Fantastic!! (2.00 / 4)


Make history with Hillary today! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:43:08 PM EST
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Re: Fantastic!! (2.00 / 4)

thanks, atdleft.  btw, great diary on the rec list, very nicely done!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:53:39 PM EST
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Re: Fantastic!! (none / 0)

Lou Dobbs is a freaking flat out, bug eyed racist.

Why am I not surprised that the Hillary cheerleaders on here are stooping so low as to be playing Lou Dobbs race baiting politics...

I used to at least respect the Clinton's but now I guess I understand why the Republicans hate the Clinton's so much more than other Dems, it's because the Clinton's are just like the sleezeball Republicans.


by Jeff Y on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:02:46 AM EST
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Fantastic!! (2.00 / 8)

Welcome back, TexasDarlin! We've missed you here, and we're so glad that your account is working again! Oh yes, and good diary. While I still don't like Lou Dobbs' anti-immigrant stance, I appreciate the fact that he's one of the few pundits on cable "news" that's willing to be fair to all the candidates.


Make history with Hillary today! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:45:32 PM EST
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Re: Welcome back =) (2.00 / 7)

Welcome back. I was getting a sick feeling in my stomach when I heard you were barred. This site has been one of my favorites for many years. I stopped going to KOS years ago. I really enjoyed Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers, and even read OpenLeft for a while. Then they sort of went nuts too. Like the ends justify the means. Anyways, I am really glad Jerome took a different path. And allows everyone on this site.

Thank you MYDD. And thank you Texas Darling for continuing posting here.


Elvis has left the building.
by True Blue Dem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:48:11 PM EST
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Re: Welcome back =) (2.00 / 2)

thanks, true blue, i'm thrilled to be back.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:54:21 PM EST
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Re: Welcome back =) (none / 0)

Thank you for an excellent diary.  

Lou Dobbs always tries to be fair, and that's all you can expect of a pundit/reporter.

He is great in this segment, and is shutting down all the Orwellian talking points.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:37:07 PM EST
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DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTHING? (1.66 / 9)

This is from Lou, "Damn those cotton pickin black folks" Dobbs.


by Hopeful08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:20:36 PM EST

Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 8)

you beat me to it...  I go to a progressive blog and the words "Lou Dobbs is right" jump out at me...  I threw up a little in my mouth to be honest...

And then I jumped to the conclusion that Lou Dobbs must have been saying something negative about Obama.  Let's face it, there is no love lost there...  I open the diary and voila...!  And the diarist agrees...  and voila again, Lou Dobbs becomes the sage voice of wisdom for 30 seconds or so...  

My word people...

Can we just lay some ground rules somewhere that state in plain bold type that the words "Lou Dobbs is right" belong no where on this or any other progressive forum?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:25:58 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 2)

Thank you!!!


by Hopeful08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:31:03 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 2)

Amen. Lou Dobbs is just hideous.

It's obvious that Lou is trying to stir up trouble in the Democratic Party. I'm sure Limbaugh and Hannity are saying the same crap, and they aren't supporting either of our candidates.

I'm happy for T.D. that she is back on the site, but I don't think this was the best way to come back. I wonder if the admin's are having second thoughts...

by power of truth on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:40:01 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs (none / 0)

thanks for welcoming me back and thank goodness for freedom of speech!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:31:53 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 3)

I actually had to look for the Snark tag.

So.... this recommended diary is arguing that no Democrat can win the general election? Jiminy f'n christmas. What happened to this place?


by not Brit on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:44:15 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 4)

Picking cotton is not a function that was wholly owned by blacks nor slaves.  

I myself grew up on a farm in Alabama, where my grandfather was a sharecropper (he never owned the land), and we were let out of school for 2 weeks in the fall to help pick that cotton.  And pick it, we did, and we also got paid by our grandfather, just like anyone else who helped him gather his crop, anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5 cents per pound.  In other words, an adult could pick cotton dragging a picksack and make 3 to 4 dollars at best per day.  Us kids made much less, but it was still helpful, because we were able to use the money to buy school supplies or shoes and clothing.

None of what Lou Dobbs said is relevant to your attempt to co-opt 'cotton pickin' as a rallying cry for your own brand of racism, and I absolutely resent it.


survived and escaped from the orange sewer.
by emsprater on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:52:38 PM EST
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Re: DO you really want to quote Lou Dobbs on ANYTH (2.00 / 1)

I think the worst part of saying "cotton pickin'" anything is that it makes you sound like you're living in the '50s.  Which Lou Dobbs is.


by the mollusk on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:59:49 PM EST
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Why do you think living in the 50's was awful? (none / 0)

Just curious.  I understand that the fights were to come and be won on many issues.  My own mother was out there fighting McCarthy and my aunts were fighting for unions.  It wasn't all Ozzie and Harriet Nelson - though I like that show.  


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:56:13 PM EST
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Re: Why do you think living in the 50's was awful? (2.00 / 1)

it really was just a joke.


by the mollusk on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:08:04 PM EST
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Sorry - I get nostalgic for the 50s when I (none / 0)

was in a girls' school once in awhile.  


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:17:54 PM EST
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Re: Sorry - I get nostalgic for the 50s when I (2.00 / 1)

No big.  Sorry if it offended you.


by the mollusk on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:42:28 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

it's good to know that you are know posting videos of such a racist.


by tom32182 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:20:53 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 5)

Is this the only reply the Obama camp can come up with? I've heard it apply to almost any criticism of Obama. How about a real discussion of the issues, rather than a low character assult.


Elvis has left the building.
by True Blue Dem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:59:29 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

Judas


My dream is Hillary will sponser a joint resolution to authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces against Trinity Church
by denounceandreject on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:02:23 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 6)

I'm sorry it upsets you that the honor of Lou freaking Dobbs would be challenged.

I don't use the term "racist" frequently (if ever), but what the heck else do you call a guy whose made a name for himself solely by ranting non-stop about the evils of Scary Brown People?

Honestly, is this how much of a cheap date some people are around here? Throw a few anti-Obama words your way and all of the sudden you'll reflexively sing their praises?

There is no excuse for anyone praising Lou freaking Dobbs. The man is a demagogue, a bully and a race-baiter. He is anathema to true Democratic values, and I don't give a damn if he spends the next month talking about how great Obama is. He's still trash.

This diary might as well be citing Newsmax, Worldnutdaily, Hannity, Kristol, or some other sickening source. They're all the same. Democrats are better than this.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:35:47 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

I respectfully disagree with your post. Lou Dobbs has some good insights. His immigration stand leaves a lot to be desired. But he speaks for a lot of people I know very well.


Elvis has left the building.
by True Blue Dem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:44:32 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 6)

Just because he's on CNN and not Fox doesn't make him legitimate, and it's disturbing to see his little act being pooh-poohed as if it's no big deal. What you think this is all in our heads? That we haven't railed against Dobbs for years now? Here's a sample of what Dobbs has said and done. Is this what the people you know actually stand for?:

1.

Yesterday, on "Lou Dobbs Tonight," CNN ran a graphic sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a group deemed to have a "white supremacy" ideology according to the Anti-Defamation League.

During a piece about illegal immigrants in Utah, reporter Casey Wian said, "Utah is also part of the territory some militant Latino activists refer to as Aztlan, the portion of the southwest United States they claim rightfully belongs to Mexico."


Note that the concept of "Aztlan" is a fallacy and is a favorite scare tactic among white supremacists and the Michelle Malkin crowd (google it if you don't believe me). I would call it a dog-whistle if it were actually subtle.
2.
"Tonight, Senator [Barack] Obama wins the endorsement of the nation's only Hispanic governor, Bill Richardson. Is Obama pandering to ethnocentric special interests again? We'll have complete coverage."

3.
Dobbs also labeled the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center as "absolute advocate groups for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens" and said of the ADL, "They are a joke."

4.
"Tonight, Senator Hillary Clinton facing charges she's selling out our middle class to boost her presidential ambitions. Is the senator putting the interest of India ahead of working Americans?" [Dobbs then criticized Clinton for wanting to increase the number of H-1B visas]

5. Dobbs' program falsely asserted that leprosy in the U.S. had increased because of illegal immigrants.

The source of the report was a doctor who also charmingly said:

"Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age 12, some as young as age 5, others aged 3, although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls aged 11 and women up to age 79."

Yes, these are Dobbs' sources. If you want to bash the Scary Brown People, there just all kinds of despicable sources who'll back it up.

6.

"it is hardly a secret that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is something akin to a Soviet-style aggregation."

The 9th, of course, is the last remaining liberal-leaning Circuit in the country.

7.
Dobbs has repeatedly had as his guests crytporacist "anti-immigrant crusaders" such as Glenn Spencer. (If you've never heard of Spencer, he's also said things like this: "Mexican culture is based on deceit" and "Chicanos and Mexicanos lie as a means of survival"

I could go on for hours listing Dobbs' atrocities. The man is disgusting. He is not your friend just because he's tossed a bone your candidate's way.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:15:37 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

On #5, if it's not clear, that doctor was talking about Mexicans.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:17:04 PM EST
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kudos (2.00 / 3)

That had to be a chore to document.  Take a shower.


You haven't seen impatient until you've seen a monkey waiting for a donut.
by bjones on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:33:23 PM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 2)

I have pity for you to having to document all of that.  You've earned an uprating from me for your next questionable comment I see just for being able to tolerate Dobb's xenophobia without puking.

Big kudos.


Dem in 08.

Bring Back the Wonk - Just say No to the Primary War.

by Student Guy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:34:09 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

spot on. Lou Dobbs is just awful!

Where is the line? If we use this Lou Dobbs video, what could be next? A Malkin endorsement? Praise from Hannity? Will Dick Cheney speak out?

Seriously, if Lou Dobbs is acceptable, then Where Do We Draw The Line?

I'm amazed the Admin's decided to un-ban Texas Darlin' so that we could get this crappy diary. Of course it's been on the rec list for two days now. Can't we do better?!?

by power of truth on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:54:14 PM EST
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Scarey Brown People??? (none / 0)

I hear him talking about the lazy Americans who won't get off their duff and DO something about a national security issue of borders that are open to the world, letting people come in to clean their lawns, to  get the cheap labor with no benefits.  

I think it is horrible that people leave home and family for years at a time - to come to America to make a lousy wage that will support family back home.  How's that for family values?

Immigration quotas were set and rules made for all kinds of reasons, one of which is to guard against people with communicable diseases from coming in without being quarantined.

As for immigration period, this country has always had issues with anyone coming in, looking or behaving different.  But we wade thru it.  

What Lou screams about is the refusal to look and deal with the issue in a constructive way!

Might have something to do with big money putting it to the other countries from whence the immigrants come.

If you, whoever you are, don't see the media bias against Hillary Clinton, I don't know what I could say.  It's so damned obvious it's pitiful!


by Southern Mouth on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:52:43 PM EST
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Re: Scarey Brown People??? (none / 0)

With all due respect, I think it's best that we not engage in a debate on immigration policy within this thread.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:22:54 PM EST
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O-kaaay! (none / 0)

I'm sorry already!

Thanks ... I was just referring to the Scarey Brown People stuff in the previous comment, but it's good to "not go there."

See - I can play nice!  Valium has kicked in and I'm feeling fine.  :~)


by Southern Mouth on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:42:18 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 7)

If Scaife is now a positive contributor to pro-Clinton discourse, why not Lou Dobbs?


Someone tell the Strom Thurmondgeist to stop haunting the Clintons: upending chairs, opening creaky doors, possessing during USA Today interviews.
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:21:42 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 5)

Glad to see you have been allowed back into the fold. While I may not agree with many of your views on the primary, I've always thought you to be a great advocate for your candidate.


by zep93 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

thank you, zep!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:36:23 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Welcome back!
by zenful6219 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:25:22 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

thank you!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:36:40 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 4)

Wow, they unbanned you!


I am a member of the forgotten demographic: a young, educated, wine-drinking, latte-sipping Independent for Hillary Clinton.
by sricki on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:25:24 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

oh stop, lou Dobbs said something STUPID, that doesn't make him a racist. jeez


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:27:06 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

Really, what was most offensive is that whole "Where's the gratitude, Blacks" argument that Dobbs and Buchanan and many on the right make daily.

But if you can think of a non-racist way to read the descriptor of "cotton-picking" when ranting about blacks who don't appreciate how far they've come from forced slavery picking cotton, please share.


Someone tell the Strom Thurmondgeist to stop haunting the Clintons: upending chairs, opening creaky doors, possessing during USA Today interviews.
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:31:26 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

It is possible.

It was a common term in my family an just signified exasperation.

When my great-grandfather died, my grandmother set the basket containing my grandfather at the end of the cotton row while she picked.

So they survived.


I ain't worried. We got more pigs in our pen.-- Rasheed Wallace
by wrb on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:09:13 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

It was a common term where I grew up too. Everyone said it - black, white, in between - it was just a phrase that was a way to avoid cussing.

All the poor people picked cotton, no matter what color.


by splashy on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:08:19 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

But but Lou doesn't like those cotton pickin black folks.

Of course, that doesn't make him a racist. I mean anyone who can easily refer back to when blacks were forced to pick cotton during slavery can't possibly be a racist.


by Hopeful08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Which, of course, people like Rev. Wright can talk about it all the time without being considered racist.  I definitely see your point.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:12:59 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

I find it hilarious that the Dobbs apologist on here are the same people who parse every statement by Obama, his campaign, and  his supporters on here for any trace of misogyny. Oh, and a cotton-picking could have been a slip if it was along the lines of "wait a cotton-picking minute" (which yeah appears to be a sly CPT reference which Lou might not know), but look at what he said, I mean if he had said Hillary people were being hormonal, or that Richardson should quit acting like a beaner, maybe you'd see it better.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:54:54 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Lou Dobbs hates Obama because of his stance on immigration and Dobbs, well, you know he doesn't like Latinos nor immigrants in general.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:27:56 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Don't forget about us black folks too!!


by Hopeful08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:33:03 PM EST
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That's why he married one. (2.00 / 1)


by JimR on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:51:22 PM EST
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Re: That's why he married one. (2.00 / 3)

She's probably one of the "good ones" to Lou, seriously, even being a minority doesn't make you immune to hating on minorities, check out Malkin and her hating on Asians (Japanese specifically). The best way to point out this fallacy I guess is to ask whether being married proves that a man is not a misogynist-- after if he hates women why would a man marry one.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:00:17 PM EST
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Re: That's why he married one. (2.00 / 1)

I thought his wife was Latino.
by Dave B on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:38:45 PM EST
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Re: That's why he married one. (none / 0)

Latina actually. Mexican to be specific.


by JimR on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:06:32 PM EST
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Latino != illegal immigrant. That is (2.00 / 3)

"latino" does not equal "illegal immigrant."

I believe that equating them, as you have done,  runs the risk of being considered ... um ... prejudiced?

Illegal immigration is a huge problem, no matter the ethnic identity of the person.    Lou calls that one correctly, IMO.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:08:27 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

Obama's views on drivers license for illegal immigrants are what turns off Dobs.


by greenboy on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:19:48 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Welcome back!  


by cjbardy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:32:37 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

thanks!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:37:14 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 6)

Regardless of Lou's stance on immigration and other issues, on this subject he is absolutely correct, imho.

I find it refreshing to watch Lou Dobbs now, instead of Oprah in the 4pm timeslot (i'm on west coast).


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:33:16 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

Everything he said is correct, but he's playing stupid to make his point.  The debate isn't about who'll win the nomination...it's about who'll have the pledged delegate lead after everyone votes, with the assumption that Democrats (through SDs) won't override the pledged delegates because of how it would appear.

So, I suppose, his real argument should be that that assumption is faulty.  Too bad he didn't approach it from that angle, because that'd be an interesting discussion.


And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was McCain, and Hell followed with him.
by freedom78 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:49:17 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Lou, didn't touch Obama or Hillary all that much until Obama rightly hit him on his race-baiting (seriously Lou you have a problem with Hispanics, just admit it and get over it okay bud, if you didn't have problem with legal immigrants you wouldn't continually run stories about Hispanic Cluture, English only and the like), so I think its more a vendetta than any analysis.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:39:49 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

Also, never seen greater Favoritism? Really, he is aware that John McCain is a canidate right?


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:40:30 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

Hey, you're back. Right on!


allprogressives.com
by Scan on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:44:08 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

thanks, Scan!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:45:39 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (1.37 / 8)

She never learns. Away one day and comes back featuring videos of a known racist.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:44:47 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 6)

lovely to be back, thanks Kathy!

The diary viewpoint is limited to Lou's comments that are quoted, not anything else.

Contrary to what you and some other bloggers around here say, I am not racist and I do not tolerate racism. And unlike you, I do not personally attack other bloggers in my comments, per the myDD guidelines.  You should check those out.

Thanks again for your comment.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:48:41 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 4)

These are the same people who say they want to link purple hands across the aisle and sing kumbaya.

Talking out of their asses is more like it.


by Si Ella Puede on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:28:12 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

Oh stop...that's such a cheap tactic to take one person's ridiculous comments and apply it to the millions of people who support Obama.

If that's the standard, then I guess you also agree with a now-banned Clinton supporter's comment that Obama supporters are like the Hitler youth. That's how it works, right? You have to automatically take responsibility for every single troll comment?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:41:41 PM EST
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Re: hooray! (none / 0)

Yay!  I just heard you were gone, much to my dismay.  And here you are -- I'm glad of it.


by moevaughn on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:45:53 PM EST

Re: hooray! (2.00 / 1)

thanks, i'm happy to be here!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:50:21 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Let me give you a hint regarding who he favors for president:  it's whoever the republican is.  

Dobbs used to be a republican before he decided he could sell more books as a pretend-populist.  Now, he talks about the "war on the middle class," but blames the problems primarily on Democrats.  Which, of course, is ridiculous.    


by HSTruman on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:47:32 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 5)

yeah, you are probably right about that, but I'm really just commenting on the message in the quotes, about which he is correct, imo.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:51:15 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

Any surprise your diary has been hijacked? For me, no.

Here we are, forced to read one diatribe after another against Lou Dobbs when the gist of your diary was that a known conservative pundit came out on his show and stated the irrefutable fact that Obama won't win either before the convention and threw in his aside that he's never seen: "...And I have never seen in my career greater favoritism applied in the national media...".

These are apparently stinging realities for Obama supporters, but we HRC supporters are living with the same realities too.

Let's take it to the convention folks, in rhythmic waltzing harmony. After all, even Obama himself said Hillary shouldn't drop out.  


by RickWn on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:12:47 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

IMO what I think some people here seem to forget is pundits who want a Republican in the WH in 2009 want to see the Democratic Primary go as long as it possibly can.  This way it continues to divide our party until both sides  develop a permanent grudge against each other that carries into the GE.  Lou Dobbs is just tossing a log into the fire.

By saying what he says, he gets in some early digs in on Obama and he fires up the Pro-Clinton crowd who develop resentments toward the Pro-Obama folk.  Hence, the typical divide and conquer strategy.


"McCain thinks you're a f***ing idiot. That's why he thinks you'll vote for him."
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:23:00 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 0)

The perception of a dis-united Democratic party and thereby weakened one is probably the goal for the myopic Republithugs, but that perception will evaporate within a few days after the August convention. The reunited force of the Democratic party will swamp the more fractured Republithugs.

I'm not holding any unforgivable grudges against Obama supporters. Sure hope you're not holding any grudges against me or the other HRC supporters.

Now, my girl might be behind, but I want her to keep on running, keep debating and keep Barack's feet to the fire. If she doesn't win the nomination, I want her to, at least, have given pause to Barack's campaign and make them realize that although he won by the slimmest of margins, it was by the slimmest of margins. Nearly half the party and country was voting in favor of policy and conviction slightly different from his for a reason.

My reasons, their reasons, nearly half the Democratic party's reasons. Hope he will acknowledge and flex his positions to that should he win.


by RickWn on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:48:29 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

I agree with you whole-heartedly...IMO there's really not that much difference between between them.  I know this is probably a lame excuse as to why I perfer Obama to Clinton but it is really to see someone other than a Bush or Clinton in the WH.  Regardless I think she is an outstanding candidate and you have much to be proud of, as do Americans and the Democratic Party.


"McCain thinks you're a f***ing idiot. That's why he thinks you'll vote for him."
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:05:25 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 0)

My lame excuse for Hillary is that I know she has walked a few times over the bed of coals and emerged, if not burned, well, at least still standing.

I have to admit that the Rethug swiftboat machine concerns me. After seeing them entrap and complete an impeachment of a sitting president and then go on to smear and defeat three bona fide war heroes, McCain in the Repub primary of 2000, Max Cleland in his 2002 Senate race and John Kerry in his 2004 presidential run, I'm concerned for Obama if he wins the nomination. I just don't know yet that he realizes what is going to be thrown at him in a one-on-one with McCain and the loonies he represents.

Of course, I'll have his back in the GE if that's how our nomination process plays out, but the run-up to November is going to be one nasty battle no matter which candidate we eventually front.

Best, hootie.


by RickWn on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:51:24 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

Maybe so, but at least he helps balance the media at the present time. I will take that from wherever it comes. Also, Karl Rove is even sounding good these days--stating some facts that no one else wants to deal with. Strange days.
by The Smoldering Crone on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:58:32 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

exactly Crone...unbelievable that we have to rely on Rove for a balanced viewpoint, yikes, that's a sad commentary on the current state of affairs of our MSM!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:02:38 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

Now that would really make me wonder whether those "facts" are true if Rove is trying to sell them.

Just saying.


by herenow on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:17:58 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Which is more likely:

1) all of these Republican-leaning voices (Dobbs, Rove, Scaife, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, FOX News, etc) have suddenly become fair and balanced and think Hillary Clinton would make a good president, or
2) all of the feel like she's the weaker candidate in the GE, that Obama is the stronger candidate, that a prolonged and nasty primary fight hurts the Democrats, so they'll attack Obama and defend Clinton all they can

I know which one I believe, but of course you're welcome to believe either one.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:20:50 PM EST
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The Truth Isn't Popular (2.00 / 1)

We all prefer to listen to the people that tell us the things that we like to hear.  I like watching MSNBC because Olbermann's show is basically what would happen if I were to cut myself open to release all the stupidity I see in a day in an hourlong explosion of pent-up viscera and ranting.

It never occurs to some Clinton supporters why their candidate has done longer and more detailed interviews with Fox and the Pittsburgh Times than any other news outlet lately.  It makes them feel secure that Fox has largely played off the Bosnia lie while spending so long on Wright during their morning show that their own contributers start walking out or telling them to quit it.  

It doesn't bother them that Clinton tried to get four Fox debates as recently as a few weeks ago, even though they would almost certainly be trying to trip up both candidates into saying things that would be used in 527 ads later.

Has Fox suddenly decided that they lean Democratic or that their journalistic integrity requires that they be fair to all candidates?

No.  They realize, like Limbaugh, that they're in for the fight of their life against Obama and the longer Clinton can stay in the race, the more time their extremely weak candidate that they themselves were railing against no more than two months ago has to build up his machine.

Clinton, for her part, is far too smart to think that they're actually her friends, but she believes that she must fight the battle in front of her with all available resources before worrying about the conservative Republican monolith.  She has to believe that she controls the relationship... or that they're using each other as equals, but somehow I doubt that is the case.

Regardless, Lou Dobbs is not the kind of guy you want championing your cause.  "Disingenuous" is about the mildest thing you can say about his screed.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:13:32 PM EST
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Dobbs is a REPUBLICAN (2.00 / 2)

...who will support McCain, and who would prefer to compete against Hillary. Factor that bit of context into whatever comes out of his mouth.

With the endless of loop of Jeremiah Wright still playing in the media, and Obama ridiculously getting blamed in the media over and over for FL and MI not re-voting (he had nothing to do with FL's decision to not re-vote, and he simply asked in MI that the penalty to crossover voters in the "didn't count" election be lifted)--I hardly see where he's gotten kid gloves treatment.

That said, I thought Obama's immigration position was fairly aggressive.. he favors heavy sanctions on employers (which is where the problem begins and ends) and would force businesses to prove they could not fill positions with citizens before allowing guest workers.

How is Hillary's immigration position stronger or different?


by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:57:39 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 3)

Welcome back, TD! Thanks to the mods for reconsidering...


by OrangeFur on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:01:16 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for your support!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:03:06 PM EST
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Go Lou! I liked him before this, (2.00 / 6)

I've liked him for a long time because he is a populist, speaking for the working people and middle class.   He's also a straight shooter and not in anyone's pocket.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:02:53 PM EST

Re: Go Lou! I liked him before this, (2.00 / 3)

a refreshing point of view, thanks for saying what others feel but get clobbered for saying around here!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:04:57 PM EST
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Thank YOU. And welcome back :) (2.00 / 2)


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:21:52 PM EST
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Welcome Back! TexasDarlin. (2.00 / 2)

I am so glad to see you again! I bet there was some sort of mistake.


by praxis1 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:07:28 PM EST

This is not a diary (2.00 / 4)

All you have done is paste a clip of the racist Lou Dobbs and state that he is correct??
How is this considered a diary??
by lion king on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:07:53 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

Welcome back!!!!!
I too thank Mr. Dobbs for being a true journalist trying be objective and report facts.
by ProudMilitaryMom on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:08:22 PM EST

We are so happy you are back! (2.00 / 2)

Why don't you join us at Hillary's Voice as well?  You have a lot of supporters there as well, including Linfar who also has been banned along with a bunch of others.  Email me at cjbardy@parsingwords.com and I will send you the link.


by cjbardy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:13:00 PM EST

Re: We are so happy you are back! (2.00 / 2)

i will send you an email.  linfar is missed.  i see her as a true scholar.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:16:44 PM EST
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Well he doesn't want any Cotton Pickers (2.00 / 3)

so that narrows the field.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:14:37 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

I don't know how I missed this, but thankfully it's up on rcd list.

WELCOME BACK!!!


by LindaSFNM on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:16:08 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

thanks very much, i appreciate all the support


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:27:46 PM EST
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WELCOME BACK!!! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the diary too! ;-)


i>"Hillary '08"
by JHL on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:16:46 PM EST

Re: WELCOME BACK!!! (2.00 / 1)

thank you for the support!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:27:10 PM EST
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A good lesson for us all (2.00 / 7)

One thing I've learned through all of this fighting and fussing among us:  Don't be so quick to label somebody you hate as incapable of making sense.  I've NEVER been a fan of Lou Dobbs, especially on the immigration issue, so I "turned him out" and refused to listen to him.  But it's true what they say, that you can learn something from anybody---even people you don't like.  Lou Dobbs is certainly calling it like he sees it re: the media bias against Hillary, and (gulp) he is absolutely right on.


by izarradar on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:17:28 PM EST

Re: A good lesson for us all (2.00 / 1)

that's how i feel.  and for the same reason, i now listen to bill o'reilly's talking points (but don't tell anyone!)


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:26:18 PM EST
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Your secret is safe with me. (2.00 / 2)

We don't want to give anybody a reason to ban you again.  Welcome back, by the way.


by izarradar on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:01:38 PM EST
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Re: A good lesson for us all (none / 0)

No surprise


by mikeinsf on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:07:59 PM EST
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Re: A good lesson for us all (none / 0)

TD, I don't know how you can stomach listening to B.O., but the old adage of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer was wise advice.

Watch the S.O.B's for the hints you'll see in their game plan yet to come, because the bigger game is yet to come.

They are revving up their swiftboats and it's going to be one knock-down, bloody cage-fight when we get to the general.

I hope both Barack and Hillary are preparing. I'm with either one after the convention.

All this nattering amongst us now is just small beans compared to what will come.


by RickWn on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:52:16 AM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (1.50 / 4)

  I'm looking forward to your dairy on Anne Coulter's endorsement of Hillary.  


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:17:55 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

lol, good one


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:25:05 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs (2.00 / 2)

I don't agree with Lou Dobbs on the 2nd amendment, but he does stick up for middle class on some important stuff -- the economy and outsourcing jobs and foreclosure crisis.  

and he's right to point out Obama can't get the needed number of delegates to secure nomination.  MSM always leaves that out of their false (half-truth) spin.

anyway, since the draw of Obama is he can win over conservatives like Dobbs, maybe O people need to change their hate-Dobbs tune.  and if Obama is so sincere about reaching over to conservatives, maybe he ought to take up Chris Wallace's invitation to come on his show.


by moevaughn on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:21:59 PM EST

Chris Wallace's show, really? (none / 0)

The same guy who tried to saddle Bill Clinton with not capturing Bin Ladin and, by proxy, 9/11?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/22 president-clinton-blasts-chris-wallace


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:18:42 PM EST
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Re: Chris Wallace's show, really? (none / 0)

At least Bill Clinton wasn't afraid to go on the show and face them down.  Can't Obama do that?


by moevaughn on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:41:05 PM EST
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Not if he's smart (none / 0)

Bill Clinton wasn't running for office at the time.

After Obama's the president, I'm sure he'll be happy to give an interview or two to Fox.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:51:04 PM EST
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Welcome Back! (2.00 / 2)

So good to read you again, my dear!!


by Si Ella Puede on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:26:26 PM EST

Re: Welcome Back! (2.00 / 1)

thank you, i was suffering serious withdrawl symptoms early this morning!


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:30:00 PM EST
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Re: Welcome Back! (2.00 / 1)

Welcome back. I also did not quite know why you were banned, but it's only fair that it was corrected. However, and as I've said above, I really wish your first diary back was not praising Lou Dobbs.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST
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Re: Welcome Back! (none / 0)

thank you for welcoming me back.

the diary is not praising Dobbs, it's praising what he said because it's the truth and no one else in prime time has said it.  he gets millions of viewers so i'm happy that he put the word out so forcefully.

thanks for the comment.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:29:20 PM EST
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Re: Welcome Back! (none / 0)

I'm just saying that there are ways to make the same point and other sources to use that aren't associated with white supremacists.

There are some people whose supportive words you just don't want. But if you really MUST cite them, at lease include a huge caveat like: "Lou Dobbs is a walking piece of crap, but even a broken clock is right twice a day" or "how sad is it when the only person who comments on the media bias is a walking piece of crap like Lou Dobbs?"


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:54:19 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 4)

Good to see you back. I do not like Lou Dobbs and most of what he stands for but he is correct in these statements. It is appalling to see that the minute we don't agree with what someone says we think it is okay to demean them.

Neither Hillary nor Barack can win without the votes of SD and that's a fact no matter who says it. Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean said it also. What names are we going to call them?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:28:56 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

Thanks, LadyEagle, any theories as to why there's been such a sudden change of tune among the "party elders" this week?  what' up with that?


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:31:02 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

I think it's clear that internals have suggested that voters see through the tactic, and believe it's undemocratic and unfair.
That's why Obama made a big point of saying, sure, Hillary, go ahead, knock yourself out, to transparently disassociate himself.
On to West Virginia
by oh puhleeze on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:49:08 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (none / 0)

The polls have them worried by the fact that more HRC supporters may defect than BHO supporters. I also think they were rattled by the letter the HRC donors sent them.

They also realize that both candidates are getting equal support nationally and this could present a problem come November.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:50:29 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 4)

Well, that settles it! Neither Democrat has a chance, so we might as well just install McSame now and be done with it. I am so glad we have luminaries like Lou Dobbs to tell us how it is.

/good grief


by jwolf on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:29:34 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 2)

SO glad to see you back TexasDarlin!


by Fleaflicker on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:30:07 PM EST

Re: Lou Dobbs is Correct (2.00 / 1)

thank you, Ff, great diary you just posted!  your work is so impressive.


texasdarlin.wordpress.com
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:50:40 PM EST
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Re: Lou Dobbs (2.00 / 2)

and all the cable presenters are under instructions to keep this primary contest alive as loooooong as possible. This has been there most sucessful Feb/March for years (ever?). While most networks are struggling with the effects of the recently ended strike and reduced demand for advertising, the cable views networks have been raking in viewers and moolah. Dobbs et al have to keep both sets of supporters happy. I think it would be a mistake to think he really cares about the integrity of the Demcratic party primary process. He doesn't and I think you would help yourself and your candidate more by recognizing his faux outrage.

Welcome back TD. I'm not a big fan of your work but you should be able to say it. What did you do to upset the big boys?