STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR

I know it sounds off the wall, but bear with me. Not only did Stephanapoulos do Obama a favor, but methinks he may have done it on purpose, to undermine Hillary. Here's why.

First, he forced her to acknowledge that Obama could win against McCain.  Her whispering campaign to the superdelegates has all been: "He can't win the General.  I can."

Well Stephanapoulos publicly made a liar out of her one way or another.  Either she was lying when she said.  "Yes.  Yes.  Yes.  I think he can."  Or she is lying to the superdelegates when she tells them he can't.  A lovely game of heads I win; tails you lose on the part of Stephanapoulos, who after all knows the lady well.

By the way, isn't that the type of thing... I mean in tone and the triple, definitive "Yeses" that is so typical of her when she is cornered and cornered she was.  Remember her response when asked if she would continue to take PAC money.  "Yes. Yes.  Yes  will."  She insisted.  As I said, the Stepan... knows the lady well.

Second, all those Gotcha questions in a sense inoculated Obama for the General.  All those things are out in the public domain now whereas before they were, except for Wright and bittergate, in the right wing whispering chambers.  Somehow seeing all the garbage issues trundled out and seeing  that they really didn't quite take may make them somewhat harder to play for effect in the General.  Anyone who is convinced against Obama by those issues probably would not have voted for him for other reasons in all events.

Third, let's admit it.  Obama did not shine last night. He is rarely at his best in the debate format.  But that's generally OK.  He is not running for debater-in-chief as the hillary supporters forget as they crow about what a better debater she is.  He looked downright uncomfortable.  Ill at ease.  Well most people would when they are in the middle of a mugging.  BUT he now knows exactly what public muggings are going to feel like and he can prepare for them all. Frankly, I don't think they will happen again. I think the Obamanation is taking care of that little matter right now. BUT if they do, then his answers do need to be crisper, cleaner, more definitive.... They will be.  Practice makes perfect.  This was the dress rehearsal for the General.  So in a funny way Step... was helping to prepare him.  Here is what it is going to feel like.  Here is the type of questions you are going to get.  Now you and your buddies get together and clean up those answers.

Fourth, subliminally Obama got sympathy from fair minded people.  It was a slugfest of three against one.  He was pummeled.  He was on the ropes... or to mix a metaphor and get sort of hyperbolic, he was being lynched or crucified... as I said... hyperbolic.  BUT he showed that he didn't like it but could take it and take it with some grace without really getting down in the gutter with the lot of them.  Surely Step... knew that was what was going to happen.  He's watched the man presumably a while now.  And you can bet your bottom dollar, Step knew Hillary well enough to know that she would join in the pummeling instead of trying to call the media attack dogs off with any call to fairness.

Fifth, Hillary may have "shone"... and I'll admit I have never seen her answers better and less blathering.  BUT.  She stood there and was enjoying seeing Obama being pummeled, lynched, crucified.  And rather than being appalled by it, she joined in the fray. Didn't she remind you of a little girl, jealous of her brothers, standing bye and getting real pleasure out of Daddy jumping all over them, while saying:  "But I am a good little girl, Daddy..."  Considering how utterly abusive her Goldwaterite father was (throwing the toothpaste cap into the snow if they forgot to screw it back on and making the kids go out into the snow to hunt for it).  Yah that kind of behavior builds character in a child and we got a really good look at the character it built in Hillary.  And her deep, deep trouble is that she has never looked at that abyss in her.  She has identified with and turned into the aggressor.  Just as she has morphed in Karl Rove,II.  Her motto has become:  "That which you really hated when it was done to you, make sure you do unto others."

So we have much to be grateful for.  People who are perplexed by Obama's ability not to have his candidacy destroyed by Swift boating call him Teflon Obama.  Well so was Reagan.
Or, looking back at his Senate race where the oddest things broke his way in an amazing fashion... a blog for another day for those who don't know the story ... maybe, just maybe there is going to be something "providential" in all of this.  OOOps... does that make Obama seem too messianic?  How about just decent enough and intelligent enough that enough people will see it and take a risk on someone with those qualities as we face very difficult times.


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Could you please edit (none / 0)

something funny happened to your post I think.

The concept sound intrigueing but I would appreciate the edit to make it readable. (where it says body it gets bad)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:54:28 AM EST

Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (none / 0)

Interesting analysis, but you give Stepha-momma-said-knock-you-out-poslisis too much credit.

Obama's performance was very, very weak. But I strongly do agree with you that he will be more prepared next time. I think they never saw this one coming, not like this. They might have expected all of this stuff to come up, but not back to back, not in the first hour.

Makes him stronger? Absolutely

One last point, when Biden was in Obama's shoes (over what some thought were racist remarks) during a debate in Iowa back in December, Obama didn't pile on. He didn't attack the man. He bailed him out. He stood by him. He said the man doesn't have a racist bone in his body. That's Obama. That's Barack.


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by lizardbox on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:23:52 AM EST

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Oh, the same Barack that said "I never said anything about Bosnia", while his official campaign sent out 3 emails a day asking for donations with that subject in the email? Or is it the same Barack who's national campaign co-chair said that "Hillary didn't cry about Katrina? Or is it the same Barack who authorized a 4 page memo on the days before SC branding Bill Clinton as a racist?

Yes, that's Barack alright.


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by zcflint05 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:40:56 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (none / 0)

You know where we differ? You know where you lose your argument? I mostly look for the positive in MY candidate. You mostly look for the negative in MY candidate.

Think about it a bit.


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by lizardbox on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:52:55 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS (1.00 / 0)

I can list off a trail of positive things about Hillary. Your problem is that you don't like when your idol worship of Him is interrupted by someone who doesn't like the false message of Obama being "above the fray".


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:10:50 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS (none / 0)

No, what I don't like is you putting words in my mouth. I was merely mentioning his "occasional" class which Senator Clinton lacks completely. Reason why we can't have a civil conversation is how your first comment was 1) Negative 2) Presumptive 3) Off base.

Basically, whatever it is you were trying to accomplish, you're just not that good at it. Sorry.


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by lizardbox on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:19:36 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (none / 0)

Biden topped out around 2%.  Do I really need to finish this argument?


by Trickster on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:51:50 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (none / 0)

No, please don't. It smells.


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by lizardbox on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:01:44 PM EST
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Obama is a delicate flower (none / 0)

and people get all worked up when he has to compete for something.

So upstate girl is right.


by catfish1 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:34:18 AM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (none / 0)

I don't think Stephanapoulos did his career a favor, what with the panning and all, which makes me sort of doubt that he did anything to intentionally aid Obama.


by rfahey22 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:28:50 AM EST

Interesting (none / 0)

you give George S. a lot of credit.  I think that few people in the media predicted the backlash and sympathy factor that would happen from this.  Those factors basically invalidates the performance in the debate.

What's his name (smerhnosch) from Philly the white radio host who is a conservative thinks the same about inoculating Obama.

Yeah you have some good points except for giving George S. credit.  He is part of McCain's base.


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by Student Guy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:58:26 AM EST

Re Step Credit (none / 0)

That was to be provocative and get people thinking... I agree that he didn't INTEND to help Obama... but certainly with at least a certain portion of the electorate, they went so low that there was a huge backlash.  The issue is how much of all the dirtying up of Obama sticks and benefits McCain, which as far as I can make it out must be Hillary's strategy so that she can run again in 2012 sayinn "I told you so.  Now it really is my turn."


by Annabella on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:58:38 PM EST
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Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (2.00 / 1)

I think you took a risk with your amateur psychoanalysis of Hillary but I must admit it was thought-provoking and insightful.  Never more tellingly observed than by W H Auden:


I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

W H Auden - September 1, 1939


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:25:55 AM EST

Re: Do Harm in return (none / 0)

Thanks for the Auden quote... It is wonderful.  Amateur psycho bable is often just that but... we got to THINK THINK THINK.  If all we do is just emotionally react and only that, (although I heard Rev. Wright say at a eulogy for a great trial lawyer here in Chicago last week) that intuition and intellect need not be a duality.


by Annabella on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:01:14 PM EST
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Re: Do Harm in return (none / 0)

I find poetry often is a balm to the prosaic controversies debated here.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:44:36 PM EST
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Barack Obama Will Be The Peole's President (none / 0)

Barack touches our Souls and our Hearts, if elected he will be much beloved and known as the People's President.


by bacalove on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:16:28 AM EST

Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (2.00 / 2)

Fine diary, but you missed one key point. The "debacle" enabled Obama to refocus the campaign and get back to his core issue of change. Only now, he's added another item that needs change and it appears to be playing well. We need not only to change the policies of the Bush administration, but we need to change the way we structure our political races, getting back to the issues at hand and away from diversions, gotchas, and gaffes.

He's been talking for the last two days about the need for this change and drawing great response. By comparison, Hillary's basking in and taking part in the silliness of Wednesday nights "festivities," she looked very small, very very small indeed.

And now she's slamming the very same 3.5 million Democratic activists who defended her husband 10 years ago. Go figure.


by vermontprog on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 07:44:00 AM EST

Re: STEPHANAPOULOS DID OBAMA A FAVOR (2.00 / 2)

moveon.org in the late 1990's is not the same as the moveon.org today.

those 3.5 million activists are not all the same people that joined in 1998.

I have been trying to get off their mailing list for the last year, when they went ObamaTime and slammed my choice for a democratic president as somehow not being a democrat.


by colebiancardi on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:24:24 AM EST
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the "obamanation" is going to do what? (2.00 / 0)

you think that you terribly noisy when upset obama supporters are going to scare abc news or any other media outlet not sucking at the teat of dailykos to not ask questions that are unpleasant of obama.

oh but then he has learned now and will do much better

obama impresses me as one of those people who are always saying: i should have said this to that sob, or i should have said that, instead of doing what i did, which is drool on myself


by blackflag on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:05:54 AM EST


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