~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly!

A picture is worth a thousand words:

Marc Ambinder reports from Philadelphia:


    PHILADELPHIA -- It wasn't so much that Barack Obama had real fight in him tonight, or that more people attended his rally in front of Indendence Hall than any other event since he announced his candidacy. It was the spontaneous demonstration of support that happened when it ended.

   5,000 people (at least) had nowhere to go but up Market Street. Obama's charge of the night: "Declare independence!" was with them. They started with the familiar "O-Bam-A." By 7th and Market, they had graduated to "Yes we can!" By 10th and Market, with hundreds streaming in between cars on the road, they were just cheering. At first, a few Philly cops, killjoys, tried to rough the crowd to the sidewalks. It didn't work. The cops retreated to the sidewalks. By the time I ducked into my hotel, a full mile away from Independence Park, the Obama crowd was still marching.

   The headlines Obama intended to make were as follows: first, the secondary point, so reporters can write that Obama looked forward to the general election: John McCain is man who deserves respect. "But the change this country needs will not come rom a third George W. Bush term. And what is exactly what his campaign is offering. John McCain is offering four more years of a war with no exit strategy, a war with no end in sight, a war that is sending our troops on their thid, fourth and fifth tours of duty." Four good meaure, Obama repeated the disputable claim that McCain saw "great progress" from seven and a half years of George W. Bush."

   ...

   An Obama aide sized the crowd at about 40,000. It was probably was a little bit less, but a senior campaign official said it was the biggest the campaign had ever seen.

   As usual, about 3,000 guests directly in front of Obama were sent through magnetometers and enclosed by metal barriers. Another 25,000 crowded Independence Park; some even listened from a good three thousad feet away, well behind Independence Hall.

   I counted at least a hundred Philadelphia police officers. There were state troops. TSA personnell magging the crowd. A helicopter hovered over the square. The fire department set up a command post with extra medical supplies.

No confirmation on the count yet, but it was definately HUGE.


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When Obama hits a rought patch (1.00 / 2)

he always has the people...who turn up in huge numbers.


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by CardBoard on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:36:16 PM EST

Only one is the lonliest number (1.00 / 4)

itchy?


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by architek on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:56:00 AM EST
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Re: Only one is the lonliest number (1.50 / 2)

you're a sad, little person.


by Rockville Liberal on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:11:14 AM EST
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pathetic, dishonest TROLL (1.00 / 1)


by nwgates on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:38:13 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (1.50 / 2)

they showed up because they thought jay z would be there!!


by tofriends on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:39:07 PM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (2.00 / 1)

I think that applies to almost every candidate.

That said, 40,000 is quite impressive as is his fundraising numbers.

I'm glad Hillary admitted that he can win the GE , maybe that opinion will trickle down to most of her supporters.

Those of us who prefer Barack already believe he can win.


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by wiscogirl101 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:39:29 PM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

The recent polls (breaking my golden rule of never mentioning polls) suggest most Americans believe he is the most electable, though McCain is right there with you.  Still, that's not a huge shock when we're down to 3:P


by Xris on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:46:14 PM EST
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Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit... (2.00 / 2)

...that's incredible.

5,000 people (at least) had nowhere to go but up Market Street. Obama's charge of the night: "Declare independence!" was with them. They started with the familiar "O-Bam-A." By 7th and Market, they had graduated to "Yes we can!" By 10th and Market, with hundreds streaming in between cars on the road, they were just cheering. At first, a few Philly cops, killjoys, tried to rough the crowd to the sidewalks. It didn't work. The cops retreated to the sidewalks. By the time I ducked into my hotel, a full mile away from Independence Park, the Obama crowd was still marching.

I don't understand... What do those people see that I can't? Lately, I actually rather like Obama. I've paid attention to him and listened to him -- I might as well, considering how likely it is that he'll be the nominee. But I still don't understand how so many people can feel that strongly about him. How does he evoke that sort of response? Is this the fundamental thing Hillary supporters don't get? And why don't I get it? I'm not unintelligent, and I'm usually very perceptive. I'm young, I'm passionate, I'm not bitter.  And yet -- apparently I'm looking, but I'm still not seeing. What am I missing?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:04:21 PM EST

Maybe (none / 0)

you have to be a little bitter, yet hopeful for change;)


by IowaMike on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:10:28 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

Heh. Maybe I'm more cynical than bitter.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:11:29 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

It's visceral.  That's something that's hard for a lot of Democrats to get into, especially those that consider themselves "hardliners."  

We've been the party of unfeeling wonks for too long.  It's good to see some truly fired up progressives on a scale like this.


by Capt America on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:14:34 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

I'm not a hardline Democrat, though. I'm a registered Independent (just for the sake of obstinance), who thinks both Clinton and Obama are centrists, and is looking forward to the day when we can nominate a real progressive. Maybe my problem is my unfeeling, wonky concern about his healthcare plan. Oh well.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:24:44 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

After so many elections I've found that when I get too caught up in one candidate's campaign promise I end up feeling let down. I think they often find they can't do what they wanted to do anyway. So I think it's more important to elect someone who seems like the right kind of person so whatever they do you can feel they are trying to do the right thing. I don't expect to be happy with everything Obama does as president. But I do think he is the right kind of person for right now.


by Becky G on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:40:06 PM EST
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well I (2.00 / 1)

also like the fact that he does get powered a lot by people (though I am sure he is getting big donors now too).

That gives me hope that we can actually take out to the "woodshed" if tries to do us wrong.

I do not really expect to agree with everything on him either.


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by kindthoughts on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:52:14 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (2.00 / 1)

I was pretty much whee you are until Iowa, then during Winter Break I read his books (only time I'm not a fulltime student and 30 hours in the school cafeteria a week), and while the second one is the typical politican, if a littel bit more eloquent and thoughtful, the first is unique among books by political figures, it's not a campaign autobio, it's something genuine and intelligent. And then when just a day after i finished "Dreams of My Fathers" (and a week or so after I started reading Samantha Powers account of genocide) he gave the South Carolina Speech, and I started to think that this was something different. This was a guy who cut through a lot of my cynicism, and whose positions and achievements are laudable, I think overtime I've just come to believe that while Hillary could be a good president, perhaps even better than Bill was (good steward but no real lasting achievement), Obama could be a transcendent one.


by Socraticsilence on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:36:06 AM EST
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Yes, read the books (none / 0)

I admit, I haven't finished the first one yet, (graduate student, no time to read for pleasure), but what I have read has been enlightening. m It's very readable, too, he's a good writer.


by nwgates on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:40:09 AM EST
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Re: Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit.. (2.00 / 3)

He has been a legislator longer than Sen. Clinton.


by mefck on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:44:34 PM EST
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Experience isn't all that (2.00 / 2)

Lots of great leaders didn't have tons of experience in the classic sense: Lincoln, JFK, TR. Bill Clinton was governor of a small state that bore less on global affairs than the US Senate.

Even FDR was relatively green before winning the Presidency in 1932. He was 50 years old and had served one term as State Senator (1911-1913), and one term as NY governor, from 1928-1932.  He was also Assistant Secretary of the Navy under Wilson and failed Vice Presidential candidate in 1920. Not exactly the deep resume of Clinton (First Lady for 8 years, Senator for 8 years) or McCain (Senator for 24 years).  

So I think the experience card is often overplayed.


by elrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:39:02 AM EST
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Re: Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit.. (2.00 / 1)

At least for me, he says the things that I've been waiting to hear a politician say and is fighting in the way I wish more would.   I was especially impressed when I turned on a town meeting a few weeks ago and heard him get into a long answer about patent reform of all things.

I know at some point he'll do something that I hate, but he's just been as close as I've seen in my life.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:26:57 AM EST
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Re: Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit.. (2.00 / 2)

Sricki,

This is really a great question. I can't speak for others but I will share my perception with a imperfect analogy.  For the purposes of this discussion, lets assume Clinton's claim of "35 years of experience is actually true" (when I do the math and look at actual roles I think that statement is largely myth, but let's just pretend it's true for  this discussion)

For me it's like high school.  I remember two teachers, the fist teacher was 55 years old, had been a teacher for 30 years, had a perfect syllabus and all the right books.  She had a well decorated class, the support of the school administration and the parents really liked her.  This teacher taught the same thing year after year and was a stickler for the mechanics of writing.  She focused on sentence structure, punctuation, formatting and timeliness.  She had a plan for every day, she had a plan.  She was an effective, even good teacher but never pressed me for the thought behind the thought, never pushed me to deeper work.  

The second teacher, was 35 years old, had been a teacher for 15 years, had kind of a messy class, was often in hot water with the administration, discussed topics many parents thought were "inappropriate" an evolving syllabus that might change depending on what was going on in the world.  She had a 5 grades slots set aside for what she called "open essays".  Each semester this teacher expected us to find 5 experiences in every day life to write about.  

---Some of my topics, (The shame of being evicted from our apartment, the death of my grandfather and associated family dynamics, titles "the lies we must tell" (though a minister my grandfather was FAR from a perfect man)---

I once wrote a technically strong soulless paper for the second teacher that after reading she pulled me aside to tell me was "a bullshit waste of time" and that she expected more, far more from me.  

The second teacher, challenged, cajoled, ridiculed, inspired and tested me, think "Finding Forester"

I liked the first teacher, I loved the second.  

Love isn't really a word that should apply to politicians but as I mentioned this is a imperfect analogy.  

I don't love Obama, I love my family but I hope you get the point.

People rightly like Clinton but for those who connect, the feelings about Obama are on a different scale.  

I think it really boils down to what people want in their leaders.  It's not a right or wrong question, more a neat and organized with a perfect syllabus vs. "that was bullshit".

I respect people of both preferences but I love my brother and sisters who fight to break the machine.    

Obama just happens to be political figure I hope can be the instrument to inspire the change I already desire, a national muse of sorts.  


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by nextgen on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:52:09 AM EST
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We all hope that.. (none / 0)

but do we have lots of evidence that that is going to happen? Not really. But we have hope. The hope in US.

do you think, with stakes so high, thats enough?


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by architek on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:32:18 AM EST
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Re: We all hope that.. (none / 0)

Architek,

Yes I do because we know for SURE it won't with the other options.  

Can't hit the ball unless we you swing :)


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by nextgen on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:48:46 PM EST
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Re: Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit.. (none / 0)

That's actually an excellent way of explaining it. Thanks.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:37:18 PM EST
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Re: Even as a Clinton supporter, I have to admit.. (2.00 / 1)

Thanks Sricki,

Post like yours that contain a true question is the reason I post here, knowing I'm in the minority.  

I respect your choice of Sen. Clinton and hope I have given you a little more insight into my choice.


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:42:01 PM EST
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Wow (none / 0)

What a turn out.  That is more people than the closest region hub to where I grew up.


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by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:52:35 PM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (2.00 / 1)

Yup - that's an impressive pic. Obama supporters are psyched and everyone else is crapping themselves in fear.


by dannyinla on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:11:33 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

Enough with the speeches and big rallies !!!


by soros on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:44:29 AM EST

yeah!!! (none / 0)

who needs a candidate who talks to voters!!! ;)


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by kindthoughts on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:22:26 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (1.00 / 2)

i'm new to this and don't know the "talk", but i was waiting under the other article (Live From Barack Obama Rally in Philadelphia) to hear what he had to say, besides taking jabs at his opponents, besides saying "we're looking to have a change from the old politics". i hear absolutely nothing of substance when i listen to him talk, in whatever format--a rally, or a debate. i would love to be convinced to vote democrat even if he is the nominee, but it is going to be really really hard to get me to do that. especially after that little wiping of the shoulders skit he did yesterday. he acted like a juvenile. i could never vote for a presidential candidate who acted like that.


by california voter on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:44:37 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for your comment. You have swayed many, including those 40,000 people. The Clinton Campaign appreciates your hard work at promoting internet outrage.

Now, if you'll excuse us, there's a country to fix.


by upstate girl on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:49:51 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

If you genuinely want to know, read his policy papers on his website.  Surely you understand a rally of 40,000 people just before an election is not about policy positions, it's about enthusing people and sending them away feeling good about their decision.  Sounds like he was having fun with the crowd - another reason I love him.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:47:39 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

? was that an answer to my question?


by california voter on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:55:33 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

Use "reply to this" when you respond to an individual comment.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:48:48 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

i realize my actual question was, as i said, under the other topic: what proactive, decisive information did he provide for those clinton supporters that said he hoped were in the audience? the reporter in that article said mr. obama was going to talk about 1. mccain 2. clinton 3. issues. i just haven't seen the report of the issues yet.


by california voter on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:05:07 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

You've missed 21 debates, have no access to video replays of town halls across the country, or either candidate's website - I'm guessing, because I'm not sure how you could have missed the opportunity to explore the issues on either candidate at this point.

There's 40,000 people there that have made their decision. You can choose to play ignorant and pretend this rally was going to be a discussion of policy details in front of tens of thousands of people, and reject any other message he speaks about, or just be honest and say nothing would ever convince you and nothing ever would.


by upstate girl on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:51:09 AM EST
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Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

Video: http://cbs3.com/video/?id=55802


by upstate girl on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:51:32 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

That's a hell of a crowd.


by DeskHack on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:44:39 AM EST

Re: ~40,000 turn out to see Obama in Philly! (none / 0)

This is exactly why Obama will win, in the General as well as the primary. The thing that people are connecting with is a sense that they are part of a bottom up movement. The campaign has empowered the average voter to feel like their voice will be heard this time. This cannot be overlooked in any consideration of "electability". We have never seen a campaign that had so many people feeling like they owned a piece of it.


by wasder on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:38:04 AM EST


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