How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL)

It's Friday, and I haven't seen one of these polls in awhile here, so here goes...

Step up to the plate...


Poll
I support... (POLL!)
I support Obama's candidacy but I'll vote for Clinton if she's the Democratic Party's nominee.
I support Clinton's candidacy but I'll vote for Obama if he's the Democratic Party's nominee.
I support Obama's candidacy and I won't vote if Clinton is the Democratic Party's nominee
I support Clinton's candidacy and I won't vote if Obama is the Democratic Party's nominee.
I support Obama's candidacy and I will vote for McCain if Clinton is the Democratic Party's nominee
I support Clinton's candidacy and I will vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic Party's nominee.
I support Obama's candidacy and I will vote for a third-party candidate if Clinton is the Democratic Party's nominee
I support Clinton's candidacy and I will vote for a third-party candidate if Obama is the Democratic Party's nominee.
I support Obama's candidacy and I will actively engage in social protest if Clinton is the Democratic Party's nominee
I support Clinton's candidacy and I will actively engage in social protest if Obama is the Democratic Party's nominee.

Votes: 92
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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I'm An Avid Obama Supporter (2.00 / 3)

I think he is the outstanding Democratic candidate this year. But I will not hesitate to vote for Hillary in November if she is the Democratic nominee.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:25:31 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 2)

Real Democrats would support either.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:27:04 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

Didn't you hear?  Clinton is not a real Democrat.

It has to be true.  It's the long-standing meme over at Kos and BlowsMost.

The results of the poll so far dispel any notion this is a Clinton exclusive site.  Obama supporters have responded 2 to 1 so far.


by reggie44pride on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:30:13 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 2)

No one ever said that it was Clinton exclusive, though it is dominated by Clinton supporters and I suspect that the results will be leavened-out by the hyperpartisans soon enough.

Only the truly irrational would sit out or vote for McCain in November, whatever their supposed beef with either candidate.  


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:38:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

I would argue that this site probably has a fairly even number of supporters for both candidates.  That being said, one look at the rec list on any given day shows you whose supporters are most organized (and unfortunately the ones who are also the most organized are the ones that have been the most vicious).  I mean we've literally got someone who has been banned at least once for incredibly disgusting comments/diaries that cite right wing trash like CreepingSharia, Hotair, and FreedomsEnemies, and they make the rec list with every diary they post.  Heck, they're on the rec list right now.

Sorry about the rant, but I guess my point is that the majority of the supporters here of both candidates are rational, thoughtful posters.  Unfortunately, the fringe is able to dominate here because they organize outside of this site and are able to drive any message they want to the rec list.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:45:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's not Obama supporters saying (none / 0)

this site is an exclusive site.  We keep saying it is a Democratic site.  It's Clinton supporters saying it should be an exclusive site.

BTW:  Just looked over the poll results...so who are the kool-aid drinkers?


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:18:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

But the results of the polls show that Obama supporters will support Hillary over McCain. Hillary supporters for Obama? Not so much. They'd prefer four more years. Now who isn't the "real Democrat."


by batgirl71 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:58:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

The poll certainly shows two things --
a) that Obama supporters here are more than Clinton supporters,
b) that Clinton supporter are Clinton supporters first, Democrats second.
by Aris Katsaris on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:01:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

What does that make Michelle Obama as she doesn't know if  should could support Hillary.


by coolofthenight on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:25:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've been a registered Democrat for years... (none / 0)

but as an American citizen, it's my right to vote... or not. The Democratic party is changing...so be it. "Independent" looks good.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:03:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I've been a registered Democrat for years... (none / 0)

Hey, this country gets what it deserves.  If you like the way things are going, by all means, do what you need to do to preserve the status quo.  Just don't complain to me if you get what you voted for.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06:24 PM EST
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Don't worry faceless blogger... (none / 0)

I won't complain to you, I don't know you. Obama doesn't impress me. I'm not going to vote for him just because he's a "Democrat" I don't buy the line the pundits keep spewing "When this is all over, Democrats will come together"


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:14:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't worry faceless blogger... (none / 0)

Ok, oh noble-blogger-who-is-also-faceless.  If your ego keeps you warm through the McCain Administration, then so be it.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:18:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When did you start caring... (none / 0)

what Hillary supporters do? When you finally realized that you need them to get your candidate elected?


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:25:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: When did you start caring... (none / 0)

You can check my comments back as far as they exist, well before one candidate pulled ahead of the other, and I've consistently said the same thing.  Democrats support the Democratic nominee.  That's the way I was raised and that's what I believe.  The rest I wouldn't give the time of day.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:28:47 PM EST
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Re: Don't worry faceless blogger... (none / 0)

President McCain and Supreme Court nominee Roy Moore thank you for your help.


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by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:19:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't worry faceless blogger... (2.00 / 2)

Oh, so now you need "my help" LMFAO :D


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:26:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't worry faceless blogger... (none / 0)

No, what we need is for the loser of the primary, no matter who that is, his or her supporters, and the Democratic Party to unite behind our nominee.  It would appear that supporters of one candidate on this site are unwilling to stand with Democrats and progressives unless their candidate gets the nomination.  I find that extremely unfortunate given the stakes of this election.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:29:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not going to support a nominee... (1.00 / 1)

that has poor judgment and may have radical views.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:45:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not going to support a nominee... (none / 0)

"May have radical views"?

Let's see a shred of evidence that indicates that Obama may have radical views.  You made the claim; let's see evidence or let's see a retraction.  And none of this "he was there for 20 years" crap either... you made a claim that requires solid, positive evidence, not guilt by association.

So come on, out with it.  Evidence or retraction.  Chop chop.


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by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:55:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rev Wright is Obama's mentor... (none / 0)

and in my opinion, Reverend Wright has radical views. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have a mentor that had radical views unless I agreed with those views.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:10:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We will come together. (none / 0)

The Democrats that is.  Those who are just blind Hillary followers instead of true Democrats may not, but that's their choice.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:20:00 PM EST
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Re: Don't worry faceless blogger... (none / 0)

Democrats never come together, which is why they'll never win. We get a candidate and enough people vote Independent to ruin it for the Democrat and then spend the next four years bitching and do it all over again.

Don't vote for Obama because he's a Democrat, vote for him because he's on your side of the issues and don't tell me he's not since he and Clinton agree on almost EVERYTHING.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:26:59 PM EST
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Obama has issues (none / 0)

Wright just rubbed me wrong. I'm not voting for someone that has a mentor like that. He's a radical, IMO. I was cool with Obama until I found out about Rev. Wright. Obama lacks good judgment.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:33:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama has issues (none / 0)

President McCain and Justice Moore thank you for believing the right-wing noise machine instead of seeking out the truth.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:35:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not voting McCain.... (none / 0)

There's always Nadar.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:38:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not voting McCain.... (none / 0)

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush..err..McCain.

Sorry, thought it was 2000 there for a second.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:02:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Believing the Right Wing!!! (none / 0)

WTF, Rev. Wright and Obama did damage to themselves. Wright is on youtube, I didn't hear it second hand. Rev. Wright says crazy/racist things and Obama admits Rev. Wright is his mentor.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:41:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Believing the Right Wing!!! (none / 0)

Thank God I'm not running for President...my "Hitler was misunderstood" ninth grade teacher would destroy me. After all, she was a hell of a teacher; Nazi and all.

Of course I guess I will have to hate her and disown her if I ever run for office, right? NEVER! Guess I'm unelectable.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:44:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

20 years in a church.... (none / 0)

and Obama is clueless.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:46:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 20 years in a church.... (none / 0)

I just don't get it...how perfect is your life anyway? None of the important issues matter to you? Iraq? Healthcare? Civil Liberites? None of this stuff matters to you, only some dumb pastor?

I don't feel sorry for America...we get what we deserve and we deserve what we've got. Clearly, we don't know how to prioitize.

I'm starting to become glad I'm leaving this country...I don't even know where I am anymore.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:57:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Believing the Right Wing!!! (2.00 / 1)

Wow! Did you choose to spend 20 years in the 9th grade with this teacher. If you did that explains a lot. If not ten your comparison is empty.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:05:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Believing the Right Wing!!! (none / 0)

No, but I would've in a second if I could and I'm not sorry about it and I am not a Nazi.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:07:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama has issues (2.00 / 1)

unlike John "Bomb Iran" McCain or Hillary "Sniper" Clinton?
All three candidates lack good judgement...Surprise! they're human!

I only wish I had the perfect life like yours where something as blatantly idiotic as someone's pastor could be my deciding issue, but when I'm living paycheck to paycheck with no healthcare spending $40 a week on gas just to get to work where I make $10 an hour (with a Master's Degree no less) with friends who are still in Iraq after 11 months, I couldn't give a flying fuck what Obama's pastor said or did.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:42:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

All three lack good judgment... (none / 0)

but Obama lacked good judgment for 20 years and Wright is still Obama's mentor. You may not think Rev. Wright is a big deal but I do.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:50:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All three lack good judgment... (none / 0)

Again, I only wish my life was a perfect as yours where that was a major issue for me...but unfortunately, I got bigger problems.

You know what was a problem from me? Why Hillary thought she was under sniperfire when she was being met by a little Bosnian girl...what the hell is going on in her mind? That scares me. I'd like to know why Hillary thinks McCain would be a great President...geez, talk about your lacks of judgement.

Oh, and I still would vote for her because of the aforementioned problems which need to be resolved before that stupid Bosnia crap.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:55:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry you have problems but... (none / 0)

don't we all?

In reference to Bosnia; Yeah, Clinton embelish and pandar, politicians do that from time to time....but the Wright issue isn't about pandaring, it's a 20 year lifestyle for Obama.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:06:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sorry you have problems but... (none / 0)

You know what I'm going to write something that I may end up regretting, but I'm sorry.  It needs to be said to prove a point.

What type of judgment do you think Hillary has for staying with Bill for 30+ years, when she KNOWS he cheated on her at least one time?

Is Bill all of a sudden a terrible person whom should be disowned because of his mistakes?

I'm not equating what Wright said and what Bill did as being on equal footing, that's for you to decide which is worse. I'm just proving the point that just because someone makes a mistake you don't go and disown them.  No one is perfect, and imperfect people can have good traits.


by RussTC3 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:18:46 AM EST
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Re: All three lack good judgment... (none / 0)

Bill Clinton was a great president and a lousy husband. I think it's awful judgement to stay with a man because of politics.

I'm still voting for Hillary if she's the nominee even though I think her judgement regarding her husband sucked.

And yeah, you can pick your family.


by Kyrial on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:37:09 AM EST
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In reference to your personal... (none / 0)

problems; You better figure something out for yourself because NONE of the candidates have a quick fix....and I do give a flying fuck about someone's mentor. Maybe if George was scrutinize a little more when it came to some of his radical behavior, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:57:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In reference to your personal... (none / 0)

ok

George W. Bush and Reverend Wright are not even in the same book politically.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In reference to your personal... (none / 0)

Did I say Bush & Wright are int the "same book politically?" No I didn't. I said G.W. should have been scrutinized better.


by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:18:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama has issues (none / 0)

I would say the person who would rather see McCain president is the one who lacks good judgment. Then again, I'm well know for my poor judgment. I used to fraternize with anarchists, communists and black people, so clearly I can't be trusted.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:23:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama has issues (none / 0)

I don't like Obama either, but I have to vote for him over the senile and ridiculous McCain.


by reggie44pride on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:28:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama has issues (none / 0)

Wright rubbed me the wrong way too, but I'm voting for a policy maker not a theologian or a sociologist...if you seriously think Barack Obama is anything like Rev. Wright then you're not paying attention to Obama.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:35:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama has issues (none / 0)

Wow, I wish you would come to my hometown and attend a service at Trinity United Church and meet the very good people there. They are not radicals.

I could also give you a history of the Black Church and parade comments after comments of "respectable" people who truly understand what Trinity is about.

If you are a serious person and truly want to discover the truth, the information is all out there. I hope you'll take a look and you might be surprised. No one here will be able to write anything to change your mind.


by batgirl71 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:06:19 AM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

I sorry but since you seem to know what or what not real democrats are maybe you might tell us.  

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:36:05 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

A real Democrat would never vote for John 'More Of The Same' McCain in November.


by Kysen on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:19:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 2)

I am an avid Obama supporter, but I would crawl over broken glass to vote for Clinton, rather then let McCain replace Stevens and Ginsburg...


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:38:37 PM EST

My daughter in law is a Clinton supporter. (2.00 / 1)

I never was but I told her (back when Clinton was the presumptive nominee) that if Hillary won the nomination I would not only vote for her, I would get the T-Shirt, the button, the bumper sticker, the yard sign and work my damnedest to get her elected.

My daughter in law is sad that Hillary isn't going to win but she told me the other day she will still vote for Obama.  

She always wanted to vote for a woman.  I told her that Hillary has broken the ground as a serious female presidential candidate to pave the way for the next woman.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:25:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My daughter in law is a Clinton supporter. (2.00 / 1)

My fiance- and mother-in-law-to-be are both Clinton supporters.  We rib each other back and forth every once in a while, in a humorous way.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:32:11 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporter here.

Let's see here.  Clinton or McCain. Hmmm, yeah that'll be a tough choice. LOL

Clinton


by RussTC3 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:39:59 PM EST

Voting for Obama Tuesday. (2.00 / 2)

I'll campaign my ass off for Clinton if she's the nominee, though.

Once we get her in office, the fight begins to keep the DLC from taking over the party, but that's a bridge we'll cross if we get to it.


by Capt America on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:44:06 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 3)

Clinton supporter, but I'll happily cast my vote in November for whichever Dem gets the nomination, especially since it'll mean that all this crap is finally over.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:46:48 PM EST

you appear to be a rarity here (2.00 / 1)

As I write this, there have been 85 votes in the poll (it says 80, but the individual categories add up to 85).  Of those, 41 say they're Obama backers and 44 profess to be Clinton supporters.

The important categories, of course, are the first pair -- Obama people who'd vote Clinton and Clinton people who's vote for Obama.  The difference between those categories is, in a word, astonishing.  Of the 41 Obama people, fully 38 (93%) would vote for Clinton.  Of the 44 Clinton backers, only 5 (11%) would vote for Obama.

So tell me ... who are the "real Democrats" in that poll?


by N in Seattle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:32:05 AM EST
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Re: you appear to be a rarity here (none / 0)

I highly recommend that you take those numbers with a grain of salt. People are angry right now. I went through an "I won't vote for Obama" phase myself. Hell, I went on a tirade and posted a ridiculously long diary about how I wouldn't vote for him. But I got over it, and once I realized I was capable of getting over it, I started looking at Obama differently. I will now not only happily vote for him if he wins the nomination, I will also cheerfully donate my time and money to him, just like I'm currently doing for Hillary.

And yet, three weeks ago, I would have fit under the "Will vote for third party candidate if Hillary isn't the nominee" option. So I really wouldn't worry about the numbers too much.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:52:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you appear to be a rarity here (none / 0)

I agree with you.  

Four years ago at this time, everyone was saying that the Dean people would all pack up their bags and leave.  Instead (at least here in Washington), we went right out and did voter registration, phonebanking, canvassing, and GOTV for the Kerry and Combined campaigns.  In fact, there were a hell of a lot more of us Dean people who kept at it than Kerry backers, and we've continued to be in the forefront of Democratic Party activities here.

I know it's a bit different from 2004 -- we were the "kids" and the "newly active" ones.  But that makes it all the more probable that the more "old line" Clinton people will come around.

I just wish they'd move more rapidly past the Kubler-Ross grief stages of denial and anger, and get to acceptance already.


by N in Seattle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:47:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you appear to be a rarity here (2.00 / 1)

After Dean dropped out, I worked hard for Kerry, but I was never genuinely enthusiastic. He always struck me as a mediocre candidate. If Hillary loses the nomination, the transition to Obama will be easier. He's a candidate I'll enjoy supporting, whereas I supported Kerry simply because it was the right thing to do.

I'm guessing everyone else around here will calm down soon enough.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:48:48 PM EST
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My vote won't matter (none / 0)

I live in Arizona.


by Coldblue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:51:22 PM EST

What a cop out. (2.00 / 1)


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:00:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's true (none / 0)

Do you think anyone other than McCain would win Arizona in Nov?


by Coldblue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:02:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So you're not going to vote? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Of course I'll vote (2.00 / 1)

I have the luxury of voting for/writing in Hillary.

Doesn't that just piss you off?


by Coldblue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:09:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not at all. (2.00 / 3)

At least you're not voting for McCain as a number of Hillary backers here claim they will in the poll.


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:11:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rest assured (2.00 / 3)

never ever for McCain


by Coldblue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:17:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rest assured (none / 0)

I don't think that's a cop out.  I'm in New York and I've been a tactical voter all my life.  I've got the opposite problem as you.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:13:59 AM EST
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Re: It's true (none / 0)

Nice to see another AZ'er here...and I agree, at least the state we lives in makes it so our votes wouldn't matter even if we did vote for Obama. I would never vote for that guy.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:17:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's true (none / 0)

I live in Tennessee my vote only counts if Clinton vs McCain so lucky for me no matter who the Democrats nominate I get to vote for Clinton. Also on the positive side if we nominate Obama I get to save my time and money, I won't feel the desire to to donate either.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:13:07 PM EST
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Re: It's true (none / 0)

What if you lived in a swing state and you know it would be very, very close. Still wouldn't vote for the Democrat?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:16:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's true (none / 0)

I live in Tennessee my vote only counts if Clinton vs McCain so lucky for me no matter who the Democrats nominate I get to vote for Clinton. Also on the positive side if we nominate Obama I get to save my time and money, I won't feel the desire to to donate either.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:22:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What a cop out. (none / 0)

You are such a pugnacious fool.  Voting in Arizona for the president this year is not that important other than from a symbolic standpoint.  And you know it.  Yet, you feel the need to call out a fellow Democrat.

You suck.  Monkeys should throw shit at you at the zoo.


by reggie44pride on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:32:08 AM EST
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Re: What a cop out. (none / 0)

"Voting in Arizona for the president this year is not that important"

Yeah, that's what many people (including Hillary) said about the Michigan primaries as well. A stupid attitude which ended up allowing Clinton to claim that she had won it.

Either symbolic votes are either important or they aren't. If it's important to vote AGAINST Obama "symbolically" then it's just as important to vote for him in FAVOR of McCain again symbolically.

And if symbolism isn't important why bother voting anyway?

Either way, no matter who gets elected president, the popular vote is still a metric that gets noted... symbolically.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:15:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My choice isn't up there (2.00 / 4)

I am neutral and would vote for the democrat.
I would vote for Hillary Clinton, I would vote for Barack Obama, I would vote for John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Mark Warner, or almost any nationally known democrat (the only exclusions being Lyndon Laroush and Joe Lieberman types).
Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:04:02 PM EST

Ooh (2.00 / 3)

Al Gore belongs on the list. I can't believe I forgot Gore.  Gore rules too.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Looking at the poll results... (2.00 / 3)

.. who's bitter, again?


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:07:38 PM EST

Re: Looking at the poll results... (none / 0)

And if you want to keep chiding us as bitter, we'll make sure and vote for Johnny Mac, so you can join us at the bitter table in November crying "I THOUUUUUUUGHT HE COULD NEVER LOOOOOOSEEE" WAHHH "I WEEP FOR AMERICA"


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:21:11 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (2.00 / 1)

I think your priorities are a little out of line.  If you're going to vote for someone who openly wants to roll back women's rights, gay rights, and any chance of a progressive economy, not to mention someone who'll nominate more Scalitos to the Supremes, who'll keep us in Iraq and take us to war in Iran even if it requires a draft, and who'll keep those taxes nice and low for the rich, all just to spite some people on the Internet - well then, uh, you've got some problems.


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by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:24:10 PM EST
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Really, because if you learned how to read, you would see my below post where I said I would write in Hillary Clinton. You just lost all credibility, you really shouldn't have wasted that much finger time on that post.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:30:29 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (2.00 / 1)

I didn't reply to that comment, I replied to this one, in which you threatened (apparently speaking for other Clinton supporters in some way) to support John McCain in order to spite internet people.


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by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:32:53 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (none / 0)

Are you the vote police??

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:38:00 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (2.00 / 1)

No, but if someone openly states that they're going to actively oppose women's rights, gay rights, progressive economics, peace in Iraq, and secular government just because they're in an argument with someone on the internet, I'm free to call their decision petty and immature.


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by mistersite on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:57:37 PM EST
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Funny because that does sound like the vote police.

david


by giusd on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:18:07 AM EST
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Thank you for telling us what our priorities are, or should be.


by reggie44pride on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:33:07 AM EST
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Nah. (2.00 / 1)

Either Dem will pound McCain into the dirt. He's a lousy candidate in a very, very bad year for Republicans. Once we have our nominee squared away, he's done.

The economy is not going to get better by November and neither is Iraq. He's toast. The second coming of Bob Dole.


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:24:43 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (2.00 / 2)

I'll be living in Italy, you can weep for America under your beloved President McCain.

You are a little person and a horrible patriot if you would rather smile in glee at Obama supporters in defeat than protect your country from fascism. What a sad sad American you are.

And I never say that about a person.

What am embarassment to the Democratic Party and am embarassment to Hillary Clinton.  


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:30:36 PM EST
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lol


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by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:36:53 PM EST
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Re: Looking at the poll results... (1.50 / 4)

He's right - you kinda suck.  Sorry.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:16:15 AM EST
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I'm not even an American, and I think you make a poor example thereof.

You'll vote for a candidate out of spite? The blood of innocents will be on your hands in a way that it won't be on those who'd be casting their votes in honest and serious consideration, one way or another.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:18:18 AM EST
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Yes, acting like a three year old is the way to make your decision how you will vote in November. I lost and therefore I won't play.

I understand the anger out there. I feel it too. I picked the social protest option because I'm not quite ready to say I'll vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. In fact, I've stated many times that I won't. But November is a long ways off and Hillary should have some time to win be back. The only difference is that once again I will be voting for the lesser of two evils. But I believe that this year I will finally get to actually vote FOR someone.


by batgirl71 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:16:29 AM EST
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Indeed. 23 out of 26 Clinton supporters will NOT support Obama if he is the nominee compared to 1 out of 27 Obama supporters who will NOT support Clinton if she is the nominee.


by Ian S on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:25:46 PM EST
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Not surprising though...

I saw a post saying Obama is finished, because of this Flipping Hillary the Bird?

This place should probably be renamed

MyOutRage.com

I think if Obama wore a yellow tie, this crowd would post 3 diaries how he is ripping off Hillary's favorite color, and that will cost him in the GE....


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by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:27:04 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote for Clinton but I'd certainly vote against McCain.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:19:47 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

Seems like a reasonable compromise. And there is the added bonus of voting for the first female president, even if she isn't your ideal candidate.


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by LandStander on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:15:46 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 1)

Living in John McCain's homestate, my vote won't be too important. With that being said, I will write in Hillary on the ballot in November, I may warm to Obama but at this point I could never see myself voting for him.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:23:34 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 1)

I'm voting straight Dem but what might have been interesting was an option for "if my candidate isn't the nominee I'm undecided what I'll do in the fall".  Just to break out some of the soft support for some of the voting options.  

This breakdown of choices is good too though.  Thanks for the poll.


by moreperfectunion on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:29:08 PM EST

After Nevada I wrote a diary with a poll (2.00 / 2)

asking Edwards supporters who they would vote for if Edwards drops out.  I have to say it was not well received by Edwards supporters even though it was obvious to me at the time that he just wasn't going to make it.

All the Edwards supporters said they would write his name in if he wasn't the nominee.  Or they wouldn't vote, etc.  But some time has gone by and the Edwards supporters, even though they love him dearly, true Democrats that they are, have looked over the remaining two candidates and chosen one to vote for.

My point, if I have one, is it is too soon to ask Hillary supporters if they will support Obama in November if he is the nominee.  It's obvious from the poll that they are not ready to think about an election that doesn't include Hillary.  We need to give them some time.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:04:42 PM EST

Re: After Nevada I wrote a diary with a poll (2.00 / 2)

I think they'll either do it or they won't.  If we ask them then it becomes personal and you get the whole revenge dynamic going.  And they're not going to do it because we ask them - they'll do it for reasons of their own.

Meaning I think trying to persuade recalcitrant democrats is a waste of time.  Being nice is always good though.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:18:36 AM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (2.00 / 2)

That's a big poll, but I only see two options. The first two. The rest is just nonsense.


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by LandStander on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:14:57 PM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

No option in the poll applies to me.

I support neither and will vote for neither.


If Dems take away my primary vote, they don't deserve my general vote.
by Step Beyond on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:56:36 AM EST

Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

Then what the hell are you doing here among the Democrats?


by N in Seattle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:49:01 PM EST
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Re: How will you vote or not vote if.... (POLL) (none / 0)

I am a Democrat. You probably can't recognize one as so many so-called Dems have gone insane and are posting like Red Staters.


If Dems take away my primary vote, they don't deserve my general vote.
by Step Beyond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:20:55 PM EST
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