She spoke of ordinary voters as if they were a species apart

More on Screw-Em-Gate (I just had to).

Theda Skocpol was there at the post midterm election meeting with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Alan Wolfe, Ben Barber, Harry Boyte, and others.

She was the "only female intellectual-scholar invited".

While she didn't note exact words, what Barber stated and what Wolfe and Boyte recall, seems consistent with her recollection of the tenor of that meeting.

Take it away Theda!

I was there (the only female intellectual-scholar invited), and the tenor of the discussion was one of the instances I was referring to last Saturday in my post on TPM (I also attended a late 1993 intellectuals' dinner at the White House, where similar discussions occurred). The early 1995 meeting at Camp David was a many-hours-long seminar featuring about a dozen intellectuals plus a bunch of White House insiders, talking with Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. It was a fascinating window into how the Clintons were coping with the massive health care debacle and Congressional election defeats of late 1994.

I have gone back to my 1995 notes to check my recollections of the event. My notes do not have any exact words, so I am not going to try to corroborate a particular phrase from Hillary Clinton or any other speaker.

But what is clear in both in my memory and my notes is that there was extensive, hard-nosed discussion about why masses of voters did not support Clinton or trust government or base their choices on economic as opposed to what people saw as peripheral life-style concerns. Hillary Clinton was among the most cold-blooded analysts in attendance. She spoke of ordinary voters as if they were a species apart, and showed interest only in the political usefulness of their choices -- usefulness to the Clinton administration, that is.

I vividly remember at the time finding it impressive that Bill Clinton (not Hillary Clinton) showed real empathy for the ordinary people whose motives and supposedly misguided choices were under analysis. Ironically, just as Barber reported, Bill Clinton was the one who combined analysis and empathy, much as Obama himself did in his full San Francisco remarks.

much more from Theda Skocpol here

This seems entirely consistent with the campaign she has run. Too bad Bill couldn't rein her in. It seems he has learned the wrong lessons from the 90's and it's costing them both.



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Theda seems quite full (none / 0)

of herself, and not impartial.

However, combined with the two other corroborations, I think Senator Clinton has stepped in it again.  Doubts about her honesty are killing her.


by McNasty on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:53:21 PM EST

Re: Theda seems quite full (1.50 / 2)

I don't care about the words. I care about the feelings towards voters.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:54:43 PM EST
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Re: Theda seems quite full (none / 0)

I understand it, right after the '94 elections, democrats were angry.

my thing is now 4 sources are confirming it, she is denying it.

I think there not being audio or video is the only thing that will keep this out of MSM.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:00:25 PM EST
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Re: Theda seems quite full (1.50 / 2)

Eh. Anger might explain the "screw em" comment. It doesn't, for me, explain the rest of the attitude. Voters are more than political pawns.

I believe that she could have forgotten that she said those specific words but I doubt she's forgotten her attitude towards the voters.

I agree though. With no audio and no video this   isn't likely to go anywhere.  


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:04:59 PM EST
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Who cares?!? (none / 0)

Maverick is 1000 times worse than this.  See Tweety say that the press is his base:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE96K01YO 24


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:40:33 PM EST

Re: Who cares?!? (none / 0)

Actually I care because I'm tired of politicians like this.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:14:12 PM EST
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Re: She spoke of ordinary voters as if they (none / 0)

Let this go... it's dumb... Doesn't help Obama, doesn't help Clinton, doesn't help democrats.

If we keep playing the I'll get you back game, it will never end.  


by labor nrrd on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST

Re: She spoke of ordinary voters as if they (none / 0)

The problem with that is the assumption that Democrats can be helped. With politicians that view us as pawns we'll never progress.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:15:35 PM EST
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