So Who Is This Bill Ayers??

By Uppity at No Quarter:

So who is Bill Ayers, you ask? Nobody in particular if you are an Obama Fan. I mean Obama Rocks!!!! Yes We Can!! I mean all Ayers was is just the leader of the terrorist group the Weather Underground in the '70s. Ohhhhhhhhhh pooh pooh, Obama fans say! That's a longggggg time ago!!! Barack was 8 years old! Ayers is a nice guy now! He hasn't blown anything up lately or anything! Stop bothering our Messiah! All Ayers did was bomb a few buildings, right? Let's give him another chance! I mean so what if he helped Barack with his campaigns. Lay off the guy!

No.

I won't lay off the guy. Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn (now married to Ayers) were two of the most infamous domestic terrorists ever to be allowed to continue to walk the earth in America, thanks to a screw up in the surveillance. But that didn't stop Ayers from bragging on what he did.

"i don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough"
-Bill Ayers, September 11, 2001

Continue reading here...



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More red baiting (2.00 / 1)

from you.

Obama was 8 years old.

By the way, no one was hurt in bombs they planted.  To conflate what they did with 9/11 is odious.

It is arguments like these that harm Clinton.


by TomP on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:15:27 AM EST

Re: More red baiting (none / 0)

A man was paralyzed by these people and a cop was killed.

--Yes we can!


by JFK464 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:20:00 AM EST
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Re: More red baiting (2.00 / 3)

and President Clinton pardoned some members of their group!!!

They must be horrible!!!!!!

The guilt-by-association attacks from the Clinton camp (via right-wing hate-mongers) just get sillier and sillier.


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:31:43 AM EST
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Re: More red baiting (2.00 / 1)

Are we, as Americans, really required to never have any association with anybody we disagree with, or who has done disagreeable or horrible things in the past?

That doesn't sound like the America I know, or want to live in.


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:49:53 AM EST
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Re: More red baiting (none / 0)


 If that happened now he would be in Gitmo
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:59:12 AM EST
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Re: More red baiting (none / 0)

For the rest of his life?

Are you a frickin' bush republican?

I believe that people don't fall into two buckets: good and bad.  People have good parts and they have bad parts.  Both Rev Wright and Prof Ayers have done or said bad things.  But they have also done and said many many good things.

You and the other Clinton supporters (aided and fueled by right-wing hate-mongers) insist on trying to slime Obama for his associations with these people, and slime them for the bad things they do while completely ignoring any good.

Yet, you don't take that same view on your life and associations or your candidate's life and associations.

Shame on you and shame on your candidate.

We are Democrats.  We are supposed to be better than that.


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:07:26 PM EST
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Re: More red baiting (none / 0)

Because I despise Democrats acting like Republicans.

This is a Republican attack because it is a despicable, low, dirty attack.

There is a moral decrepitude needed to make this attack, which is why we leave it to Republicans to make.  

Isn't the fact that we don't do these attacks one of the reasons we make for people to vote for us?


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:19:50 PM EST
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Re: More red baiting (none / 0)

Well no. Obama had a personal association with one of them who was never charged with a crime and who is a respected member of the Chicago community. Bill Clinton freed people who were convicted of the heinous crimes you would smear Obama with. Clinton did terrorists a favor.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 04:52:06 PM EST
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Yes, and Bill Clinton pardoned them. (2.00 / 3)

From today's New York Times:

After Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for not severing all Ayers ties, Mr. Obama said, "By Senator Clinton's own vetting standards, I don't think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground."

That referred to commutations by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, shortly before leaving office, for Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg. Ms. Evans had been convicted of weapons and explosives charges connected with eight bombings in the mid-'80s and sentenced to 40 years in prison. Ms. Rosenberg had been charged in connection with a 1981 armed robbery in which two police officers and a security guard were killed, and was serving 58 years after being convicted of weapons charges in a 1984 case.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:36:15 AM EST
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Re: Yes, and Bill Clinton pardoned them. (2.00 / 1)

Wow, neither one had even completed half of their sentence. Man, I hope these idiots keep pushing this issue.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:40:17 AM EST
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As critcial as I have been (2.00 / 2)

of the imposition of the Obama orthodoxy, I stand with you and Obama on this.

This is an odious, McCarthyite attack.  

Saying, Clinton is bad also, hower, does not defend Obama.

Obama was 11 years old when the war ended.  He was not involved.  

No one endorses the Weather Underground.  They harmed the antiwar movement greatly.

To somehow attempt to bring down Obama based on soem professor with a past in Chicago is fundamently unfair, and the American people will see that.


by TomP on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41:43 AM EST
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And to add to that, Tom... (2.00 / 2)

... there are 18 people on the board of the Woods Foundation, as I note in a post below. The current board chair is that dangerous radical and former head of the 9-11 Commission, Thomas Keane. They are thugs who would be right at home with the Swiftboaters.

And I suspect that is the company they will keep should Obama be the nominee.

They are disgusting.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:47:04 AM EST
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And here are the folks who saw fit to rec this... (none / 0)

... garbage as of this posting:

CarolinaDawn
Mariel
aroundtheblock
forhill
EdgeCurrent
shark
deborah63
alvic63
sarang

Are you Democrats?


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:48:36 AM EST
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Bill commuted the sentences of two people (none / 0)

... whose bombs actually killed people.

Yeah, no problem.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:35:46 PM EST
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That is not what (none / 0)

he was saying though.  Not by bombs.

And now you are speaking of people other than Ayers and Dohrn.

It is attacks like these, odious redbaiting fo the worse kind, that will lead me to support Obama.

How low with you go?  


by TomP on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:37:59 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

You do realize that the Clintons pardoned two members of the Weather Underground that were knowingly transporting 740 lbs. of explosives for the explicit purpose of bombing?


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:18:34 AM EST

Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

No...Hillary was first lady and that was after they did their time.

--Yes we can!


by JFK464 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:20:28 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

So they've done their time, but Bill Ayers can't live next to a presidential candidate?

What the fuck?


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:27 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

Sorry, you guys don't get to pick and choose the "good stuff" from the Clinton White House and give Hillary credit for it. Either Hillary is responsible for what happened in the WH or she can't claim "experience" as if she has been president before.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:35:46 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

They were commuted after long sentences. They expressed regret. Ayers and Dohrn did neither. And Clinton didn't hang out at their home, have them work on his campaigns, join boards with them and maintain a friendship with them for more than a decade.


by JFK464 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:30:05 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

Nope, he just picked them -- out of of literally hundreds and hundreds of applications -- as worthy of a presidential pardon.  

Oh, and you are willfully and vastly overstating Obama's "relationship" with Ayers.  They served on an anti-poverty board together.  They lived in the same neighborhood.  Ayers donated $200 to Obama's Senate campaign.  That's it.  But good luck pushing your lies!


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:23 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

You're really going to have to decide on why Ayers is a problem before I can respond.  If it's extremely casual assocation, the fine, see Obama's answer last night.  That argument is ridiculous.  If it's somehow that you're arguing that Obama agrees with Ayers past actions, I tend to think that affirmatively pardoning other members is far worse.  For the record, this entire line of inquiry is offensive and silly.  

Stop for a second and think about the fact that what you're pushing originated with Sean Hannity.  Seriously, think about that for a second.


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:57:28 PM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah but they didn't sit on boards with them (Woods Foundation), hold fundraisers with them and personally go get anointed by this Grand Wizard of the Radical Left Ayers at the beginning of his political career like Snobama did...just sayin'. :-)


Clintonism is the kind of Government I could get used to...
by Mariel on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:30:31 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

The Woods Foundation sounds terribly like a terrorist group! What do they DO exactly?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:00 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 2)

Oh, they're absolutely terrible.  They're an anti-poverty group.  I'm even more outraged now!


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:34:18 AM EST
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I don't say God bless fighting poverty (2.00 / 1)

I SAY GOD DAMN FIGHTING POVERTY, because tackling wealth inequality isn't what the Democrats are about (because that's totally Marxist), they're about smearing your opponent with right wing talking points and pretending that it's okay because the other side does it too.


by grass on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:40:47 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

And there you have it! Only terrorists care about the poor! Good Americans cut off the social safety net and tell those lazy bastards to get jobs!


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41:45 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

So it's better to be an accessory after the fact than to have an unrelated and loose association? Man, what world are you living in?


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:32 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

I believe that they had served some time but even if not, what does that have to do with his judgement when you throw in other radicals and shady people i.e Rezco, Auchi, cousin Odinga, Weather Underground, REv. WRight, Rev Meeks and so on and so on...sooner or later, it becomes a matter of judgement.


by shark on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:40:45 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 0)

This is so absurd. We can all make silly lists like this: Norman Hsu, Vince Foster, Johnny Chung, Jim McDougal, Mark Penn, Mark Rich, "The Family", Peter Paul, etc.

sooner or later, it becomes a matter of judgment.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:50:38 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 2)

A couple of things:

Obama was not 8 years old when he met with and asked for his support in his initial run for the Illinois Senate.

Obama was not 8 years old when he served with him on the board of the Woods fund from 99-2001, and he continued his relationship with him since, including accepting donations to his campaigns.

Obama was not 8 years old, when serving with Ayers on the board voted to invest over $1M in a real-estate venture firm owned by....ALLISON DAVIS.  Yes, that Davis...the same one who then hired him to work at her law-firm and then get involved in a real-estate scandal with on TONY REZKO.

And while President Clinton pardoned those people from the Weather Underground...at least they served prison time and showed repentance at their crimes.  Bill Ayers to this day does not, in addition to not serving one day in jail or prison for ANY of his actions.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26:00 AM EST

Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

Stupid laws!

You mean Obama asked for the 200 bucks?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:31:02 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

Hmmm, so he was on an anti-poverty board with the guy, and Ayers apparently donated $200 to Obama's Senate campaign.  Ayers admittedly horrible actions occurred when Obama was 8.  And the diarist's conclusion is that this reflects poorly on Obama?  Interesting leap.  

Can we distort logic and smear by association?  If you're this diarist, clearly the answer is 'yes we can.'  Pretty sad, if you ask me.  


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:29:13 AM EST

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Oh, and classy to cite to No Quarter as well.  I meant to give you props for that.  


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:30:20 AM EST
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What's sad is Obama's lack of judgment in picking friends.

*A flaming racist pastor
*A terrorist friend
*A super-corrupt fixer

Obama is media creation. He comes from the slime of Chicago. Keep drinkin' it.


by JFK464 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:48 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

Do you really want to have this fucking discussion?

Do you really want the media going through every acquaintance the Clinton's have had over the years and rehash how many of them have spent time in jail and done other less than savory things?

Do you REALLY want that to be litmus test for the presidential nomination from the Democratic party?

I DO NOT.


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41:01 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (2.00 / 1)

yeah, but if my math is correct, Obama was 38 when he served on the Woods Board and held fundraisers with him...Ayers is NOT a changed man...he regrets not planting more bombs and I'm presuming, killing more people in our own government and military...Birds of a feather....the narrative is coming full circle..you just avoid it any longer I'm afraid.


Clintonism is the kind of Government I could get used to...
by Mariel on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:34:33 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

Obama received $200 from Ayers, who lived in the same neighborhood.  They were both members (two out of nearly 20) of an anti-poverty groups board at the same time.  From that, you're implying a close relationship?  That's hysterical.  


by HSTruman on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:37:28 AM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

The Clintons pardoned the terrorists. Obama happened to vaguely know someone who was never convicted. Hmmm...


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:37:52 AM EST
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Yeah. They live in hiding. Oh wait. They're (none / 0)

professors at great schools!

I think they take the following words more seriously than you do...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:30:16 AM EST

Is that you, susan? (2.00 / 3)

Larry has been peddling this crap for months. The Woods Foundation, for those who don't know, has a long history if doing great things for underprivileged communities and for communities, in general, all over the United States, particularly in the area of health care.

From their home page:

RWJF focuses on the pressing health and health care issues facing our country. The Foundation works with a diverse group of organizations and individuals to identify solutions and achieve comprehensive, meaningful and timely change.

Now, you hacks can diminish the work of the Woods Foundation, but all that proves is that you don;t know what you're talking about. The fact that Obama and Ayers were both on the board of this esteemed foundation doesn't mean squat.

Here's their current Board of Directors:

The Honorable Thomas H. Kean, M.A., Chairman

Regina Benjamin M.D., M.B.A.

Allan S. Bufferd, Sc.D., J.D.

Robert E. Campbell, M.B.A.

Nancy-Ann DeParle, J.D., M.A.

Charles D. Ellis, Ph.D., M.B.A.

George S. Frazza

Juliet Villarreal Garcia Ph.D., M.A.

Wendy W. Hagen

Edward J. Hartnett

Robert Wood Johnson IV

Ralph S. Larsen

Risa Lavizzo-Mourey,  M.D., M.B.A.

William L. Roper, M.D., M.P.H.

Marla E. Salmon, Sc.D., R.N.

A. Eugene Washington M.D., M.Sc.

Richard B. Worley

That noted radical, Thomas Keane, is the chair.

And here's one of their recent grants in Chicago:

Bridging the Gap: Research Informing Practice and Policy for Healthy Youth Behavior
Grant Details: $6,665,636
University of Illinois at Chicago Health Research and Policy Centers
Room 558, M/C 275 1747 West Roosevelt Road
Chicago, IL 60608-1264

The Foundation's Bridging the Gap: Research Informing Practice for Healthy Youth Behavior Program was designed to improve the understanding of the role of policy and environmental factors in both youth alcohol, illicit drug, and tobacco use, as well as diet and physical activity to evaluate their effectiveness in reducing substance use and obesity among youth. This grant will expand the successful efforts of this program in documenting, analyzing, and communicating the impact of public policies and environmental influences on youth alcohol, tobacco, and other drug use. This ambitious and complex research enterprise is now at its full productive capacity, having accomplished all of these developmental tasks. The next phase of the project will: (1) continue key data collection activities; (2) expand ongoing analytic efforts, including issues of high priority to relevant Foundation programming; (3) increase communication and dissemination activities; and (4) develop creative approaches for convening key leaders in the substance abuse field, including those from other funding organizations.

Dastardly Communist radicals!

Hey, did Obama put Ayers on the board of the Woods Foundation? Or did they just happen to be two of 18 board members?

Keep peddling. The more disgusting and vile the Clinton camp and its surrogates get, the lower Hillary drops in the polls.

Good luck with your slimemball attacks, you pathetic hacks.

I am sure you'll be making the move to the McCain camp soon.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:33:01 AM EST

Re: Is that you, susan? (none / 0)

This scandal goes far beyond Senator Obama and his horrible judgement.

Clearly, the University of Illinois-Chicago needs to be rejected and denounced for hiring Ayers, a known radical terrorist to teach English.

Furthermore, I think we need to hold all alumni of the University of Illinois-Chicago accountable for attending an educational institution that supports a known terrorist.  After all, you can't pick your family, but you can certainly pick your college.

And when you get right down to it, since the University of Illinois-Chicago is funded with public dollars, shouldn't we be asking for an apology from every citizen of Illinois for financially supporting a terrorist and for foisting a Senator with such horrible judgement upon the rest of us.

In fact, maybe we should split up Illinois between Wisconsin, Iowa and Indiana so that we can make sure this doesn't happen again.


by emptythreatsfarm on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:17:39 PM EST
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Re: So Who Is This Bill Ayers?? (none / 0)

Didn't Ayers throw a political fundraiser for Obama back in the 1990s?  They are obviously very close friends.  Obama is sooo unelectable.


by karajan72 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:36:06 AM EST

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OMG!

Is it time to bring up Norman Hsu yet?


by bawbie on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:42:14 AM EST
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Here's what's 'unelectable': (2.00 / 1)

From yesterday's Washington Post:

Clinton is viewed as "honest and trustworthy" by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy. And now, compared with Obama, Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats, trailing him by 23 points as the more honest, an area on which she once led both Obama and John Edwards.

Add to that her 56% unfavorable rating in the Rasmussen tracking polls and you have something very close to an unelectable candidate.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:43:34 AM EST
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I know it's taboo here, but... (none / 0)

One of Obama and Ayers's neighbors posted to DailyKos about the truth of the matter.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/16/ 231245/285/71/497244

Hyde Park is a small community on the South Side of Chicago that is surrounded by many high crime areas (basically the most violent parts of Chicago).  Hyde Park, referred to as the jewel of the South Side, is basically like living on an island.  The Hyde Park area is only 14 blocks long and many people who live here send their children to the same school - the University of Chicago lab schools (though there are also some great public schools like Kenwood Academy!).  The community has only one major supermarket, and most people who live here run across each other at some point because of how small the neighborhood is.  However, the community is diverse - the neighborhood ranges from politicians like Barack Obama, Carol Moseley Braun, the late Harold Washington to academics like Cass Sunstein, Martha Nussbaum, Gary Becker, Richard Epstein, Richard Posner, and the late Saul Bellow.   The community also has some ex-radicals like William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who are now mainstream academic/progressive figures in Chicago.

If you live in this small neighborhood for 20 years, it is likely that you will run across Ayers or Dohrn.  This is especially the case for Obama, as he was the State Senator for this community, was an important member of the Chicago Democratic Community, served on local charities, taught at the University of Chicago Law School (and spoke at conferences with people like Ayers - a professor at University of Illinois-Chicago and Dohrn - a professor at Northwestern Law School who also teaches at the University of Chicago).  This "Hannity" story is ridiculous and it reflects how bad the media has become.

Those damned middle-aged professors.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:46:06 AM EST

If Feingold were running (none / 0)

The McCarthyites among the Clintonistas would be baiting him over my contributions to his Senate campaigns.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:24:29 PM EST


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