The price of gas is not going to come down

Whoever is the next president of the United States will have their hands full. For example, the price of gas is not going to come down. It won't come down if we leave Iraq or if we stay there, I think that some people think that when we leave Iraq the price will fall. It won't. High prices are a a result of hard realities of supply and demand and have very little to do with the war. Obama  will not be able to fix this, (no one can fix it) and I worry people will get angry when the price just keeps going up even after we exit Iraq. People will say the price is going up because we left-- just as some people have mistakenly said it is high because we are there-- that's not the real issue here. It's supply and demand.

We've started to see food riots globally and there will be more of these, as more food is used to make fuel and as the supply of oil, which is used to make fertilizer and transport food increases. Food riots happen when people who had a fairly steady supply of food lose it. These are regions that had, until recently been relatively stable--  We can provide aid, and try to change economic policies but ultimately it's going to be ugly.

Many people think that these problems are due to the war, or due to the greed of oil companies. That is simply not the case. I do not denny that oil companies sometimes gouge, but what we've seen is a real increase in the cost of oil. More people in the world want oil than ever before, and the total number of barrels that can be produced in a day is not going to get much higher than it is right now-- and, in fact, that number will soon start to creep downward-- driving prices even higher.

What our country really needs is a HIGHER gas tax and massive investment in public transportation. We need to do this now so we are ready for the higher priced oil that is coming in the future.  I don't know if Obama is brave enough to make this politically suicidal move, but he's the only one who even comes close. If he fails to do this I'll be disappointed, if he does it it will be political suicide, though, if the policies stick, he'll have done a great thing to help get our country on the right track.

So, I think at times, it would be easier to just not have Obama win. I don't want to watch him fail and I can't think of a way where this won't happen. He will either fail to raise himself to the challenge of addressing the problems we face, or he will address them, and then find himself under attack.

It might just be easier to let a Republican take control and them blame that party for the insanely high gas prices and food costs that will hit our country in the next 8 years no matter what. I just read that McCain wants to suspend the gas tax for a summer. This is the worst possible idea. It shows me that if he comes to power it would be an unmitigated disaster, just like Bush. But, people are mad about the high gas prices. Who will tell them the truth? Who will tell people that the price will not come down and that it will only go up? Who has the guts to do that so we can move on and start building our economy around different energy sources?

The only candidate who I think will be able to break the news is Obama. (Clinton... maybe, but I don't trust her anymore, she seems too eager to play in to the fantasy that nothing is seriously wrong "We're not bitter!" Hell no! We're very bitter. Are you blind?) But, even Obama could become more focused on winning a second term than telling the truth. This would be very sad to watch. And if he tells the truth about our energy situation. Golly-- he'll be eaten alive.

So, I feel like I'm setting him up for failure.

But, maybe that's the only chance we have.

Start saying it now: The price of gas is not going to come down



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Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

Thank you.. this is why we must ALL vote democrat in the fall.  This country needs a manhattan project for alternative energy and McCain doesn't have a clue.

Google peak oil.. it may have already happened.. and if we don't do something about it.. the very fabric of civilization is under threat.


by CaptMorgan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:48:22 AM EST

Rents and the cost of housing is going up in (none / 0)

urban areas, a lot of people - whole neighborhoods, basically, are being displaced out to the boonies.

I wonder if Obama's slumlord pal Rezko has anything to do with that happening in Chicago?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:29 PM EST
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Re: Rents and the cost of housing is going up in (none / 0)

What are you talking about?  Dude I live in chicago.. .and you don't have a god damn clue what you are talking about.

The guy in trouble for rezko is named ROD BLAGOEVICH... he's our idiot governor


by CaptMorgan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:25:02 PM EST
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Re: Rents and the cost of housing is going up in (none / 0)

Though you could blame Daley for the movement from the city to the burbs as he's gentrifying the hell out of the city and not many can afford to live here.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:02:45 PM EST
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Re: Rents and the cost of housing is going up in (none / 0)

I live in Chicago. You're clueless.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:01:44 PM EST
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Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

Of course it isn't...especially so when they invade Iran. Which is why you have Lieberman lining behind McCain right now, with a 'wink and ear to him'.

Anyone noticed the price of food going up? I have. As nearly all shipments to transport it consumes oil.
Not to dim the picture here. But McCain is vulnerable on this!
It's to hammer this home and define him now before he gets anymore time.


A former hillary supporter.
by Cristalgirl on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:49:56 AM EST

Some areas may no longer become viable to live in (none / 0)

if the cost of energy goes too high, the cost of delivering everything there, pumping water there, and getting there may just be too high.

Kind of like very remote areas now. Everything costs an arm and a leg.

Do you think that abandonment would be wise, though? I don't think so. I know the free marketeers would say, 'abandon them' though.

Like they do about areas in flood plains right on the coastal islands in hurricane country, etc.

They would say that employed people should move back into the central cities or wherever the jobs still exist.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:16:25 PM EST
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But seriously, Architech - moving (none / 0)

into urban areas where walking and public transport are a given is an answer.  Not an answer without a whole bunch of tricky issues - but still a direction to think about.  

Two ways to accomplish this:  bring jobs back to the city - the school system in the cities have to become someplace other than why people leave and move out to better schools.  This is one of the major issues my friends left the city - they had young families and they wanted both safety and a good education for their kids.

Speaking of water, there was a diary up on DD about the breakdown of the water delivery system - a huge issue - it only got about 4 hits.  I am beginning to think we should ban candidate diaries one day a week so we could talk about themes such as this diary.


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:43:06 PM EST
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Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

The price of gas is really the most obvious place where people judge their own personal economy.  I'd love to help people by seeing it go down, but for people to REALLY get behind making serious reforms to CAFE standards, energy independence, and renewable energy, it HAS to go up.

It's sad, because people have to hurt in the short run such that we can get something important done in the long run.      


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:53:26 AM EST

Public transportation.. like we had until the 40s. (none / 0)

when the oil, car and tire companies bought them up and destroyed them.. not mdern like one car, one driver.

The new cities were built without sidewalks..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:07:21 PM EST
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Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

The president really has very little control over the price of gas.

I know many won't want to hear this, but the reality is that public transportation is just not a viable option for most of the country. Public transportation works -- let's not even talk about profitability or even meeting costs -- only in highly urbanized, densely-populated areas. There aren't many areas in the country like this that already don't have public transportation. Could we improve this? Sure. But can we expand it to other areas? We could, but we'd be bleeding money nonstop.

Even in Washington DC, one of the better public transportation systems, the system loses money nonstop, even in a good year.

The bottom line is that sadly, for most Americans that don't live in big cities or surroundings thereof, public transportation is simply just not an option.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:00:23 PM EST

Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

I somewhat agree.. but I think we could depend much more on public transportation... however, you are correct that it's not a practical short term solution.. it's a 10-20 year solution which is too late.


by CaptMorgan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:05 PM EST
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Inner city housing is more and more valuable (2.00 / 2)

the more the price of gas goes up, right?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:11:15 PM EST
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Boy, do I get that! (none / 0)

I had to move out of my Chicago bungalow because the developers were given and are given free reign to come into neighborhoods and build multimillion dollar houses next door to modest homes like mine.  When you have a 3/4 story huge home with no back yard and built almost to the curb next to a modest bungalow of mine - you get the heck out.  What choice do you have with two huge houses on either side blocking your light and making your house look like a joke.

Developers are consistently voted up by Chicago aldermen - I have been to several zoning hearings - and saw firsthand that the only thing that matters in Chicago housing is money - which developers have.  It is shameful!  


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:48:05 PM EST
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Re: Boy, do I get that! (2.00 / 1)

And these developments drive up the price of real estate and the cost of real estate taxes forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:04:34 PM EST
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Well, what do you know - (none / 0)

we agree -


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:27:01 PM EST
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Re: Well, what do you know - (none / 0)

I lived in Pilsen for years (renter) and the family I rented from had been there for decades but the increase in property taxes were killing them.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:29:33 PM EST
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Yes - Pilsen is in the (none / 0)

crosshairs now - I lived in Lakeview (well actually Hamlin Park) for years.  I had a network of old friends and acquaintances.  And as I said - it was over for me.

and my parents lived in Little Italy which was taken over by U of I - so they were displaced.  a never changing scenario.

I don't think much of Pilsen's alderman nor did I of mine - but he was thrown out last election.  I have no idea what the new one is like.  We're talking Matlack's replacement.  


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:00:15 PM EST
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Re: Inner city housing is more and more valuable (none / 0)

Not when developers go into an area and tear down existing housing to replace it with multi-million dollar condos. Look at DC as a shining example of developers gone wild. I keep having to move further out of the city just to be able to pay my rent. I now commute an hour each way! Two years ago I commuted less than half that ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:53:38 PM EST
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Re: The price of gas is not going to come down (none / 0)

The price of gasoline is never going back down to the prices we were once used to paying. But, the price of diesel and jet fuel will also never go down. While higher gasoline prices, without increased wages, will certainly affect us, the price of diesel and jet fuel will play a greater role in harming our economy. What do you think a Democratic President could reasonably do to lessen the impact of cost of fuel on our economy? Keep in mind, the President can't really do much in this regard, it'll be the responsibility of Congress.
by zenful6219 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:28:37 PM EST


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