The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Velcro Off?

Yep - this story's still got strong legs under it.  Seems everyone's talking about this today online and face-to-face.  Thought we might take a look at a few of the articles out there in this evening's write-up.  Before we turn to that though I thought folks might like to see Hillary's latest ad, which just started running in Pennsylvania.  Take a look...

Pennsylvania

Ok first up - Tom Vanden Brook put up a decent article in today's USA Today about Sen. Obama's comments out in San Francisco last week.  Take a look...

Clinton brands Obama's words as 'elitist, divisive' Says rival's remarks leave him open to Republican attack

"You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and the lives of millions of Americans," Clinton said.

In 2004, President Bush's re-election campaign used images of Sen. John Kerry windsurfing while vacationing at Cape Cod in TV ads to brand him as an East Coast liberal.

"I think it's very critical that the Democrats really focus in on this and make it clear that we are not (elitist). We are going to stand up and fight for all Americans," Clinton said.

Republicans could use Obama's comment that "bitter" working-class voters "cling to guns or religion" to portray Democrats as culturally elite and out of touch with their concerns, said Sen. Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat and Clinton supporter.

"I'm afraid that this gives the Republicans a stick to beat us with," Bayh said on CNN's Late Edition.

Steven Schier, a political science professor at Carleton College in Northfield, Minn., said Obama's comments, and his attempt to explain them, tend to alienate people, particularly working-class voters who may be crucial to the election. "The problem is comments like these put distance between the candidate and the voter," Schier said. "When you condescend to people, you don't bind them to you."

Next one's from Carrie Budoff Brown (Politico) and points to a real chink in BO's armor.  He's built his run for the White House on his eloquence and soaring rhetoric.  One or two great speeches and he's off to the races folks.  And yet... for a guy who's so good with words, he really stepped in it during that $1,000 per head fundraiser last week.  And this wasn't the first time he's blown it with workin' folks...

Barack Obama's flip side revealed

Barack Obama's remarks on small town America were an off-key note from a politician who has rocketed to the top by being brilliantly on-key.

At the same time, the comments were not a total departure: On the campaign trail, Obama can reveal moments of aloofness or tone deaf reactions that belie his image as the epitome of polished.

Then his donors at this $1,000 per ticket fundraiser at the home of developer Alex Mehran asked him what they'd find in Pennsylvania when they went out to campaign for him. He said hey had to work to do.

"What I found to be most revealing was that these remarks were made several thousand miles from us, at a very expensive fundraising campaign event in a very upscale location where he did not think any of us were going to hear what he would say," said Harrisburg Mayor Stephen R. Reed, a Clinton supporter. "It invites the question of what else does this candidate think about all the different people who make up our redder, diverse nation."

At a New Hampshire roundtable in December, Obama betrayed little emotion as one participant sobbed while describing her situation: She lost her job on her 65th birthday, struggles to afford her $2,900 monthly prescription drug costs, and lives in 30-year-old trailer where the thermostat is set at 64 degrees

At the same event, he later mentioned how the success of his book had allowed him to buy a big house. He was making a point about inequities in the tax system, but the story felt misplaced in the midst of such dire tales.

Obama used to tell folks in Iowa about a phone conversation with his wife, who said this year was the right time to run for president because they are "still almost normal." In other words, they not so rich as they might be in a few years - after a term in the senate and money from the book deals.

"Michelle's point was, in eight years from now, 10 years from now, we may still be nice people, but we may be in this orbit where we just don't remember, we don't hear people's voices anymore," Obama explained at the time.

Two women in the Sioux City audience were not impressed.

"That was a mistake," said Lindsay Pelchat, 30. "That was a big mistake."  

"Don't ever forget where you come from," her friend, Paula Yasat, 53, piped in.

"Does that mean in the next election he's already going to start losing sight of the middle class?" Pelchat asked.

The women approached Obama afterward to tell him they remained undecided.

"What do I need to do?" Obama asked, almost disbelieving. "You're really making us work."

This sounds a lot like that more recent encounter with a skeptical voter, when he asked her if he needed to get down on his knees, and then offered her a kiss for her vote.

Sen. Barack Obama approached first overflow in the parking lot outside of the Scranton town hall, and immediately went to Denise Mercuri, a pharmacist from Dunmore who was wearing a Hillary Clinton button. She held an Obama button in her hand, and he asked what he needed to do to get her to wear his instead of his rival's.

"What do I need to do? Do you want me on my knees?" he asked.
He then conceded, keeping with his flirty trend of the day (see earlier report), "I'll give you a kiss."

Poor guy.  They're making him work.  Didn't he realize that running for President would be hard work?

So this all started at a $1,000 per ticket fundraiser at some guy's home?  No press - private home - 300 to 400 of his rich supporters in San Francisco.  No wonder Obama felt comfortable letting it all hang out.  I guess he felt safe in saying that sort of thing knowing there was little or no chance that anyone living in a small town in PA and had fallen on hard times could ever afford to go to anything that cost $1,000.  Seriously - that's a month's worth of mortgage payment / rent, utilities and groceries for a lot of families.  And to think someone could afford to drop that kind of money to spend what - maybe an hour with the anointed one?

Talk about two different Americas guys.

CNN got an exclusive interview with Mayhill Fowler about the event and how she got the scoop...

The talking heads take over at about the 5 minute mark but Mayhill's pretty interesting.

Mike Allen put up a great summary of why the now-famous "cling" comments are going to continue to clobber Obama from here on out.  I won't post the article or all 12 points here (that would be a no-no) but here are a handful - go check out the article for the whole list...

12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama

#2

If you are going to say something that makes you sound like a clueless liberal, don't say it in San Francisco. Obama's views might have been received very differently if he had expressed them in public to Pennsylvania voters, saying he understood and could alleviate their frustrations.

#5

Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight.. And it vindicates centrist Democrats who have been arguing for a decade that their party has allowed itself to look culturally out of touch with the American mainstream.

#7 - 9

It gives the Clinton campaign new arguments for trying to recruit superdelegates, the Democratic elected officials and other insiders who get a vote on the nomination. A moderate politician from a swing district, for example, might not want to have to explain support for a candidate who is being hammered as a liberal. And Clinton's agents can claim that for all the talk of her being divisive, Obama has provided plenty of fodder to energize Republicans.

It helps Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) frame a potential race against Obama, even though both of them have found support among independents. Now Republicans have a simple, easily repeated line of attack to use against Obama as an out-of-touch snob, as they had with Sen. John F. Kerry after he blundered by commenting about military funding, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

The comments play directly into an already-established narrative about his candidacy. Clinton supporters have been arguing that Obama has limited appeal beyond upscale

Democrats -- the so-called latte liberals. You can't win red states if people there don't like you. "Elites need to understand that middle-class Americans view values and culture as more important than mere trickery," said Paul Begala, a Clinton backer. "Democrats have to respect their values and reflect their values, not condescend to them as if they were children who've been bamboozled."

Mike Allen over at Politico posted something which pretty much summarizes how BO's acted in the aftermath of this hitting the light of day.  First Obama describes any criticism of his comments as "rich".  Then he admits he could have worded things better.  Later he claims he deeply regretted it if anyone was offended.  Round four and we see him saying he chose his words badly.  Allen wraps it all up with the following...

Radical Re-interpretation. Says it 'may have been clumsy' but he meant it as a compliment." ("What I was saying is that when economic hardship hits in these communities, what people have is- they've got family, they've got their faith., they've got the traditions that have been passed on to them from generation to generation. Those aren't bad things.")

And since that was posted I would add one more... when all else fails - blame Hillary and accuse her of using GOP tactics in how she points out their differences on this point.

Umm... he does realize this is the big show - grown up politics right?  I mean I know he's never faced a tough opponent before but he's old enough to have seen the primary season unfold in years past.  Does he honestly expect us to believe that Dean, Kerry et al treated each other with kid gloves. Or more insulting than that - does he expect us to believe that if things were reversed, that he wouldn't have jumped on this story with everything he's got in his arsenal?

Mickey Kaus posted an interesting take on this over on Slate's site.  He raises a good point in that Obama lumped a reliance on faith with bigotry and intolerance in his San Francisco comments.  At least he went on to clarify that he thought clinging to faith was a good thing.  Take a look at what he said about BO's comments...

What's the Matter With Obama?  The Four Sins of "Cling"

It lumps together things Obama wants us to think he thinks are good (religion) with things he undoubtedly thinks are bad (racism, anti-immigrant sentiment). I suppose it's logically possible to say 'these Pennsylvania voters are so bitter and frustrated that they cling to both good things and bad things,." but the implication is that these are all things he thinks are unfortunate and need explaining (because, his context suggests, they prevent voters from doing the right thing and voting for ... him).

Yes, he's condescending. It's not just that in explaining everyone to everyone Obama winds up patronizing everyone. He doesn't patronize everyone equally. Specifically, he regards the views of these Pennsylvanians as epiphenomena- -byproducts of economic stagnation-- in a way he doesn't regard, say, his own views as epiphenomena. ** Once the Pennsylvanians get some jobs back, they'll change and become as enlightened as Obama the San Franciscans to whom he was talking. That's the clear logic of his argument. Superiority of this sort--not crediting the authenticity and standing of your subject's views--is a violation of social equality, which is a more important value for Americans than money equality. Liiberals tend to lose elections when they forget that.

Now I don't often quote from much of anyone but Paul Krugman at the New York Times, but the last two paragraphs of this column sums everything up quite nicely...

What does this mean for Obama's presidential prospects? He's disdainful of small-town America -- one might say, of bourgeois America. He's usually good at disguising this. But in San Francisco the mask slipped. And it's not so easy to get elected by a citizenry you patronize.

And what are the grounds for his supercilious disdain? If he were a war hero, if he had a career of remarkable civic achievement or public service -- then he could perhaps be excused an unattractive but in a sense understandable hauteur. But what has Barack Obama accomplished that entitles him to look down on his fellow Americans?

Obama said folks are clinging to guns and bibles - called them bitter.  I don't care how hard you try to spin this gang, he comes across as if he's looking down on folks.  So... what exactly has he done that would entitle him to look down upon others?



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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 21)

This things still got strong legs under it - and it'll get under BO's skin between now & the 22nd.


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by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 10:58:43 PM EST

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 6)

You seem to be enjoying this which is unfortunate.  As an Obama supporter, I was never happy when Hillary flibbed in the event she was the nominee.  Yet, when Obama, who is the probable nominee messes-up, you seem to take great joy in it.

This isn't a game, but people's lives are at stake.  We should start acting like it.


by mefck on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:01:47 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 7)

How many doaries on this now?  Talk about clinging.  


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:06:35 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 11)

well, maybe you should tell your candidate that. at every appearance, he rehashes the whole thing. he needs to just let it go.


by campskunk on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:09:16 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

Yeah.  Thanks for the innane comment.  He's pouncing on himself now.  Right.  Brilliant.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:50:56 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (1.57 / 7)

I've never seen someone so insistent on putting his foot in his mouth.  In any other election year he would have long since been out of the race.

My question is:  Why is he still in it?  Is it because of his race that the media is refusing to call him to task for his idiocies?


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:53:11 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

no, it's because he's the frontrunner.  Some people seem to have forgotten that.


by shalca on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 07:25:38 AM EST
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Re: Obama- Oh Brother! (2.00 / 4)

The first fresh poll results from Pennsylvania are in since Barack Obama's "bitter" comments about people in small towns exploded as a news story, and the findings could hardly be worse for the Democratic presidential contender.

The new poll by American Research Group -- conducted Friday, Saturday and Sunday -- gave Clinton 57% and Obama 37% (based on interviews with 600 Democrats, the survey has an error margin of plus-or-minus 4 percentage points).

Intriguingly...interviews with voters indicate Obama's tumble in the state has more to do with what the candidate himself has said were ill-chosen words than anything else.

New poll shows Barack Obama tanking in Pennsylvania
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt on/2008/04/new-poll-shows.html


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01:52 AM EST
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Backatcha (none / 0)

Her formerly double-digit lead is now just a five-point margin in Pennsylvania, survey finds. The reduced margin makes a win for her there less significant. She trails Obama among Hoosiers...

The survey found the New York senator leading Barack Obama by just 5 percentage points in Pennsylvania, which votes next Tuesday. Such a margin would not give her much of a boost in the battle for the party's nomination.

What is more, the poll found Clinton trails Obama by 5 points in Indiana, another Rust Belt state that should play to her strengths among blue-collar voters.


by bookish on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:32:57 PM EST
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LA Times poll released today, BTW (none / 0)

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-poll16apr16,0,794499.story


by bookish on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:34:34 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

Teh stupid, it burns. Do you think if you keep suggesting that Obama is behind that it will eventually come true?


by bookish on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 07:30:17 AM EST
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Look who's sharing notes: (1.00 / 1)

McCain Email, April 15:

...These hard working men and women aren't "bitter". They love their country, their faith, their family and their traditions. They are the heart and soul of this country, the foundation of our strength and the primary authors of its essential goodness - Barack Obama should get to know them.

If Barack Obama is the Democrat nominee in the general election, the American people will have a clear choice between two different visions - Senator Obama's liberal, elitist philosophy and John McCain's faith in the small town values that continue to make America great. John McCain will not forget them or write them off. Neither should Barack Obama.

Hillary, April 14:

Clinton called Obama’s remarks “elitist,” “demeaning” and “out of touch” Saturday morning, and high-powered supporters followed up by claiming the comments would damage everything from Obama’s credibility to his electability in a general election.

Now why would she be sharing notes with McCain? Oh yeah...

The New York senator’s campaign has taken several hits in the last few weeks. She’s trailing by 136 total delegates, and the collapse of talks to hold re-do votes in Michigan and Florida, states she won but that were discounted for violating primary rules, severely jeopardizes her chances of catching up.

This, from Hillary the NAFTA Lovin' Multi-Millionare. Feh.
by jwolf on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:10:19 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (1.92 / 13)

We disagree on your basic premise here - I think Hillary's the likely nominee.  So why do so many here attack her relentlessly?


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by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:12:01 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 2)

It's wrong no matter which candidate is the "victim" of the attack.  I am just disappointed with how you used to be devoted to Sen. Clinton and now you just seem to be devoted to the anti-Obama movement.


by mefck on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:18:06 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (1.50 / 2)

Wrong.  The devotion is to a candidate who can beat McCain.  That candidate is NOT Obama.  It's about people's lives.  I want to make sure that Obama is not the nominee because if he is, Pres. McCain is a slam dunk.


by Montague on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:01:59 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 3)

Funny - when the press speak about or show Senator Clinton in a less than complimentary light, it's called the truth, but when it happens to Senator Obama it's an attack? I get REAL confused with this double standard.


by pan230oh on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:05:06 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 0)

Even the most basic research into comments here in the last 2 months shows that the opposite of your comment is true.  All your candidate has left in her doomed effort is a few more weeks of whining about how everybody is picking on her to match the whining she and the folks around here have been doing for about a month now.

It's pathetic desperation in the face of a firm whooping.  That's why alegre wrote this (and apparently about 852 other articles) about "bittergate".  The polls, when you look at all of them instead of one out lier, show that this issue does NOT have legs and has only a minimal impact.  Alegre is desperate.  A cheerio looks like a life raft when it's all that you can see as you drown in an ocean.

Your candidate is a lost cause.  Try not to lose your dignity too.  Oh, poor Hilary the victim.  She's spent her whole career poking sticks in the eye of the media, but they're jerks for not liking her now.  Nobody lied about Tuzla for her.  In fact, she was warned that her story was false and she stubbornly refused to stop lying.  We're the jerks for calling her on it though.  She lied about her role in Ireland and took credit that she didn't deserve for opening borders in Kosovo.  Aside from a few around here and at hilary44 nobody bought it.  Oh, poor her.  She's not wrong for lying constantly.  We're misogynists for not being suckers.

Let's see if anyone buys the idea that she's been anywhere near a duck hunt that didn't involve a Nintendo console.  I guess she'll be a victim in that one too.  

She's the one with all of the "experience" even though it hasn't translated into any campaign success in the nomination race.  She's the one that's vetted even though she's had a gaffe a minute for about a month now.  Obama supposedly can't win in November so we should go with her even though she is steadily losing to what people around here seem to think is such an inept candidate.  

Take a look at the electoral vote maps on the front page.  Once Hilary drops out and Obama convinces New York to do what it always does and vote democratic, he will be elected president partially because Michigan will vote for him.  That's another molehill that you folks have desperately tried to fashion into a mountain.  Take a look.  Obama expands the map.  Hilary loses.

Obama also grows the party and he does so in a demographic that gives our party (the one Hilary used to be loyal to) an advantage for another 60 years or so.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:11:12 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 4)

Yeah, the person who is losing by every measure, and has been for months, is the "likely nominee"

Keep telling yourself that . . .


by DrPolitics on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:16:56 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 3)

On what do you base a belief that Hillary is the likely nominee?  Her campaign itself has admitted that she has no more than a 10% chance of getting the nod.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:48:44 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 0)

You can quit clicking your heels together, Dorothy. You're already in Kansas.


by bookish on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 07:33:49 AM EST
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ROFL!!! (2.00 / 0)

"I think Hillary's the likely nominee."

Which begs the question:

What the fuck are you smoking?


by jwolf on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:11:52 AM EST
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Re: mefck (1.50 / 6)

Riiiight... which is why you're recommending filth like this:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/14/1 62544/271/13?mode=alone;showrate=1#13

Your user name is missing a "U."

This isn't a game, but people's lives are at stake.  We should start acting like it.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:23:17 PM EST
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Re: mefck (1.50 / 2)

I never see you anywhere except commenting in alegre's diaries.

Anyway, I uprated it, not because I agreed with it but because I thought it was deserving of a "1" instead of the "0's" a lot of people gave.


by mefck on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:31:47 PM EST
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Re: mefck (2.00 / 1)

Both statements are total B.S., and you know it.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:51:52 PM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (1.75 / 4)

Oh the sanctimony...the rank hypocrisy...

As an Obama supporter, I was never happy when Hillary flibbed in the event she was the nominee.  Yet, when Obama, who is the probable nominee messes-up, you seem to take great joy in it.

This isn't a game, but people's lives are at stake.  We should start acting like it.

Pardon me, while I blow milk out my nose after reading your post, and bursting into incredulous laughter...

As Elizabeth Edwards said recently, Hillary's health care plan is the best because it encompasses everyone. Why didn't Edwards endorse Obama? Because Obama was condescending and patronizing to John and Elizabeth Edwards on issues of poverty and actually was so incredibly arrogant that he argued with Elizabeth Edwards.

Yes, "people's lives are at stake." And, "It's not a game."

When Obama said in the Dartmouth Debate to Tim Russert that he could not promise that the troops would be out by 2013; when he then began saying he would have the troops out by March, 2008; when he then changed his tune and started saying he'd have the troops out by 2009; when his foreign policy advisor, Samantha Power then let slip during a BBC interview that he wouldn't base his Iraq policy on what he's saying in his campaign speeches, but would forge a new plan once he was president.....

When he lied about all of those dates, and all of those strategies, and all of those differing Iraq Policies.....

I thought about all the lives at stake.

The only candidate who seems to realize that is Hillary Clinton. Your candidate clearly believes this is all a game--a shell game--where he can hide who he really is--a malignant narcissist--until he fools enough of the people to get him the nomination, based on his charm, and his belief that he's "the one!"

It's all about him. He's a narcissist. It is a game to Obama. A game for his own self-aggrandizement. But, as you say, "lives are at stake."

That's why I won't vote for Barack Obama.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 07:42:54 AM EST
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Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

I wonder his Gallup poll numbers went up and Clinton's went down since this broke.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:10:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama Tanking in PA (2.00 / 2)

The first fresh poll results from Pennsylvania are in since Barack Obama's "bitter" comments about people in small towns exploded as a news story, and the findings could hardly be worse for the Democratic presidential contender.

The new poll by American Research Group -- conducted Friday, Saturday and Sunday -- gave Clinton 57% and Obama 37% (based on interviews with 600 Democrats, the survey has an error margin of plus-or-minus 4 percentage points).

Intriguingly...interviews with voters indicate Obama's tumble in the state has more to do with what the candidate himself has said were ill-chosen words than anything else.

New poll shows Barack Obama tanking in Pennsylvania
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt on/2008/04/new-poll-shows.html


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:04:23 AM EST
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"his rich supporters in San Francisco" (1.50 / 14)

It's important to remember that they're from San Francisco, right, alegre?

For someone who complained about "periodically feeling down," you have no problem with the homophobic dog whistles, do you?


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by Drew on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:18:16 PM EST
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Nice bit of cowardice (1.25 / 4)

Campskunk.  Guess it's okay to blow the whistle, huh?


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by Drew on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:35:43 PM EST
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And now from (1.25 / 4)

KnowVox, too.  Is it harder to blow the whistle when others have noticed you doing it?


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by Drew on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:54:01 PM EST
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Look who's joined the party: (1.50 / 2)

Caldonia     
campskunk    
KnowVox      
Rumarhazzit    
Scotch            

How many more will step up and defend the whistle!


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by Drew on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:03:25 AM EST
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And now it's a zero. (1.50 / 2)

Interesting.


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by Drew on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:28:43 AM EST
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Re: HR'd For Personal Attacks (2.00 / 1)

I would've let the first one go.  But you're getting tiresome.


by creeper1014 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:13:15 PM EST
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Just because someone mentions the city of (2.00 / 7)

San Francisco doesn't mean there is an automatic gay connotation - unless of course you are a Republican trying to smear Nancy Pelosi, or alegre. If you read the diary again you will see alegre is talking about "class," not sexual orientation - but then, you knew that:

So this all started at a $1,000 per ticket fundraiser at some guy's home?  No press - private home - 300 to 400 of his rich supporters in San Francisco.

Talk about two different Americas guys.

And there are other examples as well.


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by Rumarhazzit on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:49:08 PM EST
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Oh, look. (2.00 / 0)

Here come the excuses.  And I'm sure that you found them equally as compelling when deployed in Barack Obama's defense, didn't you?


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by Drew on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:52:13 PM EST
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Oh good lord. He was in SanFrancisco when (2.00 / 6)

he made those comments. So if alegre says he was in SanFrancisco when he made those comments she is "blowing the homophobic dog whistle?" Wow! You have some serious issues...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:00:31 AM EST
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Next you'll tell me (2.00 / 0)

That I'm too sensitive.


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by Drew on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:01:57 AM EST
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Re: Next you'll tell me (2.00 / 2)

I'd say dense. Commonly happens in instances of isolation.

SF is code from way back for liberals, not gays. That's a connotation that came later. When people snidely refer to Nancy Pelosi as that SF liberal, they are hearkening to images of dirty fucking hippies, not gay people. That's part of what makes this whole thing such a huge deal, as was clearly said in the diary. If he'd said it to Pennsylvanians' faces, it would have been different.  Still bad, but not as bad.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:17:24 PM EST
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Re: Next you'll tell me (2.00 / 2)

Sensitive is the last thing you are.  Boring, repetitive, tiresome, dog-in-the-mangerish, yes.

Sensitive, no.

I don't normally characterize posters here, since personal insults are cause for TRs.  I'll make an exception in your case, since you asked for it.


by creeper1014 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:17:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just because someone mentions the city of (2.00 / 1)

I see.  When someone mentions S.F. it isn't necessarily a crack at gays, but if someone says "periodically" in a sentence where it clearly means what the dictionary says it means... well then it just has to be twisted to be a comment about menses?!  

Either the comment was homophobic in accordance with the standards set by the constant whining coming out of the Hilary supporters who want to call any and all resistance to Hilary flagrant misogyny or it's not and Hilary supporters need to get on with rescinding and apologizing for the about 758 charges of sexism per millisecond that they have been leveling since Hilary started her embarrassing campaign.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:23:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

san fran libs (2.00 / 3)

"""For someone who complained about "periodically feeling down," you have no problem with the homophobic dog whistles, do you?"""

More identity politics.

YOU are the problem, and are dividing this party.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:56:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The person dividing this party (1.00 / 1)

Is the one following Hillary's lead in using that homophobic dog whistle.

I find her attack on Obama to be disingenuous, but there's no reason she has to compound that ridiculous criticism with a slap at gay people.

Unless she thinks it works for her.


Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:33:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

alegre, are you playing the system? (1.00 / 1)

Just a question, hoping to get an honest answer. It doesn't take many recommendations to get on the rec list. Have to organized a group of people to go to MyDD for the sole purpose of rec'ing your diaries to get them on the list? Just curious.


by ImpeachBushCheney on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:58:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 0)

As long as the Democrats are fighting each other and the MSM is benefiting financially, this kind of thing will go on.
When will we start taking it to McCain, dammit?
by barnowl on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:17:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

How many different posts can you actually make on this one subject? You do seem to be enjoying it, all too much as a matter of fact. Is this 4 posts or 5 now? you do realize that there are other things going on in the world?


by AHunch on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:43:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Will He Ever Shake This Off?" (1.00 / 0)

See today's polls.  Sorry, alegre, but you need some new material. Hasn't hillaryclinton.com given you any new talking points yet?


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:34:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alege, (2.00 / 1)

Given the number of outrageous TRs and HRs you're getting you must be striking a very sensitive nerve.

Keep up the good work.


by creeper1014 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:14:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (1.50 / 2)

I am disappointed by this continued character assassination, you're almost joyful to see something relatively inane be pronounced "it's got legs!" "will he ever shake this off?" With your hands wringing fearfully!  

This marks my last trip to one of your diaries. I didn't believe it at first when I read how you have been on a one-blogger-take-down mission of Barack.

Here's why: I would say cherry picking quotes from the Politico article took on a too-narrow view and expanded it in to some huge controversy, which it in fact is missing the whole point of what any poll has suggested is at issue- Obama is right, there is bitterness and if you read multiple news sources as veraciously as I do then, you would see the biggest issue at hand is the gaff in his wording and has literally nothing to do with being out of touch or an elitist- those truly are words chosen by his opponents- The Hillary camp may not have called up Rove on this but they are using the same-style play book and thankfully that seems to be obvious to the PA voters he was calling bitter. They seemed non-plussed- at least for now.

But could you stand up to months and months of ginned-up character assassination? I think not!

My question is, why is this what matters?

What about war? Health care? My mortgage? Gas and food prices?   Can we please move beyond this petty rhetoric, for surely it is both petty and rhetoric.
 


by califdem on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:14:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 9)

he can't stop talking about it. i haven't heard anything about policy out of his mouth since friday.


by campskunk on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:00:43 PM EST

Re: Obama's Policies (1.80 / 10)

Can't blame him. His policies don't hold a candle to Hillary's thoughtful, well researched ones.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:07:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 7)

Dude, you're SO right. Oh, yeah. His were totally pulled together at the last minute. During Homeroom I think. Hillary had footnotes, and Obama just had some napkins from the cafeteria.

Also, Trisha totally saw him smoking behind the dumpsters -- and he promised Michelle he'd totally quit!

So, let's recap the various slights pushed by you folks over the last few months. If all were true:

Obama, an elitist, black radical Christian/Muslim and closet Republican, who is hopelessly corrupt, truly unpatriotic and has no original ideas of his own (being both a liar and a plagiarist), will be crushed in the General Election by Mr. Magoo because he hasn't enough experience and everyone who supports him are either a'swoon cultists who've never heard a good speech before, or Judases. He's also sexist Michiganer/Floridianphobe.

What a complex figure! Faulkner would be stymied.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:16:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (1.71 / 7)

Now that you mention it: If the shoe fits.....


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:26:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 0)

self-parody much?


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:57:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 0)

If the foo' shits...


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:58:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 0)

Oh my god.  Best rant ever.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:57:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 0)

Thanks! Vocabulary and rage are my two favorite things.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:10:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (none / 0)

Then may you remain forever angry, for the benefit of all mankind.  :)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:37:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Policies (2.00 / 0)

Oh right, all Hillary's policies, like how she shot guns as a kid, or how suddenly important faith is to her, etc, etc.


by TheSilverMonkey on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:25:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 11)

When you find yourself in a hole - stop digging!

Wiser words were never spoken where BO's concerned in this case.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:13:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

He'd be seen as weak if he didn't go after this as he has.  And I think it would hurt him the polls because people would believe that he could be swiftboated.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (1.66 / 3)

He WILL be swiftboated.

Rev Wright
Bombing Pakistan
Talking with Iran
Negotiating with terrorists
No Nukes under any circumstances
Rural voters are bitter
Rezko
Friend of a terrorist
etc
etc
and so on...

Before the rethugs are done with him, he will have been painted as the biggest clown of the 21st century, and it will stick.

Switch to Hillary now, before it's too late.

Please.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:59:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Only if supposed Democrats like you (2.00 / 0)

keep making stuff up.


by barnowl on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:20:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (none / 0)

lol wow...  some list you have there...

Sounds like you've been watching and listening to Sean Hannity a little.

First off, he doesn't want to bomb Pakistan, he wants to kill Osama Bin Laden and go after terrorists.  I fail to see how the GOP can possible swiftboat him on that.  Sounds like he's to the right on John McCain when it comes to the War on Terror.

Oh no, he wants to talk with Iran?!  Didn't we talk with the USSR during the Cold War?!  Since when are talks a bad thing.  Only after 7 years of the Bush Administration could talking with your enemies be considered a stupid and naive thing to do.  Let us not forget the old adage "keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

"Friend with a terrorist" - I think you use the word "friend" a little too loosely here with William Ayers.  Supposed "friendly relations" and "friends" are not equals no matter how much you wish they were.

Rezko - all of the major newspapers in Chicago have been satisfied with Obama's answers to them.  Even the most conservative of them.  And the Chicago news outlets were the only ones actually trying to do any reporting on the subject.  If they're satisfied, then I am too.  Besides... Rezko is a small fish compared to some of Clinton's dealings... and Let's be honest, we all know John McCain has skeletons just no one wants to report anything bad on the former POW.  They'll come out sooner or later.  You don't worry.

All I see there is a list of things you hoped would bring Obama down in the primary, and they didn't.  I think we are underestimating the American public.  They're tired of listening to all the attacks because they've heard them all before, and I don't think they are going to fall for such stupid and slanderous attacks this election.


John McCain believes "Women shouldn't have a choice."
by jturn17 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:54:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 2)

Really? Reactions to his comments have improved the more he's explained his position, and politicsmatters just posted some interesting data showing that a significant percentage of Clinton supporters and undecideds agree with his statements after hearing his explanation.

Meanwhile, Hillary and Bill found themselves in a hole over her Bosnia trip, and the more they keep digging, the less people believe them. It got to the point where Hillary told Bill to stop talking about it because neither of them remember what happened.


by jdusek on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:32:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

Nobody gets a chance to "explain" their comments in a general election.  Kerry tried to explain his "I voted for it before I voted against it" over and over, to no avail.  

Trouble with Obama is, he keeps needing to explain what he said.  I really don't get why people think he's a silver-tongued orator.  When he's reading words off a sheet of paper, maybe.  when speaking off the cuff or answering questions on the fly, he's got a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease.


by Montague on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:07:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

Nobody gets a chance to "explain" their comments in a general election? What, is there a moratorium on debates, rallies and interviews this year?

Kerry failed to explain his flip-flopping because he was really, really bad at explaining himself, not because he wasn't given the chance.

Obama, on the other hand, has done quite well explaining his "bitter" comments, his relationship with his church, his position on why he doesn't wear a flag pin, and a host of other issues that the media predicted would be his undoing.

In each case, the pattern has been the same. The media or his opponents take an excerpted comment, run the comment out of context, people get worked up about it, Obama then clarifies what he meant, provides the context that the media ignores, and afterwards polls show that people agree with his explanation and will continue to vote for him in large numbers.

I'd say he's doing just fine in this department.


by jdusek on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:22:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

You don't get it, do you?  It isn't the damage from one individual gaffe that will sink him.  It's the cumulative effect.  John Q. is beginning to wonder why every time Barack Obama appears on his TV screen he's trying to "clarify" something he's said or done that offends people.

The pattern is recognizable.  If it's this bad in the primaries, against an opponent of his own party, just think what it's going to be like in the GE when McRove gets rolling.

Uuuuugh-ly.


by creeper1014 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (none / 0)

I'm not worried about it.


by jdusek on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:36:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (none / 0)

Actually I disagree that Kerry did a bad job at explaining himself.  He did okay, but he just didn't have a chance against the mighty wurlitzer. He did about as well as Obama does.  

No, there's no moratorium on debates.  You know very well what I meant.  Once it's out there and the Rethugs run with it, you are branded with it forever.  No amount of explaining will change the minds of most Rethugs.  Democrats will give Obama a chance to explain, but Democrats aren't in the majority.

I'm just so tired of having "clarification" from Obama.  Enough already.  Kerry redux.


by Montague on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:01:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 1)

Just remind me who got booed today bringing this up again?  


by interestedbystander on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:15:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (none / 0)

And can he not stop talking about it, or is it the 30 second news clips that you watch can't stop talking about it? If you all you ever do is rewad alegre's posts you would think that this non-issue has totally consumed the universe.


by AHunch on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:45:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 3)

Wait?  A story's been in the news for 3 whole days due in large part to two of the three remaining candidates promoting it to attack the third?  Wow, it must never go away if it hasn't gone away immediately!

The problem with the argument I've been seeing here is that there's no acceptance of the concept that a statement or event could be damaging in the short term but still fall short of crippling.  Everyone remembers Macaca but forgets that 99% of all media flareups are forgotten a week later.

Plagiarism was supposed to be the killer, remember?


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:01:08 PM EST

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 3)

No, Rezko. Or Wright. Those were the killers. Or.. Ayers? Norman Hsu, certainly. And once people start looking at who hired Bill to speak and what issues they have before Congress, and tie that to how Hillary, I mean, Obama voted.

Maybe I've gotten some things confused. You'd think maybe these so-called scandals are only so much noise in a process that's all but played out.

But no more or less confused as the Clinton supporters who just get all giddy at the idea of Obama ruining his Presidency by feigning outrage when he speaks to the country as if they are adults.

I mean, the diarist certainly has read how Bill Clinton gave pretty much the same point in a speech years ago -- as have several articles and books. It's a real issue that Democrats need to address -- and Democrats are doing it.

But it's not done by trying to out-pander each other, who's more 'down-to-earth' as if whether Clinton hunted as a kid matters in undoing the Bush disaster.

But again, the Diarist -- and Clinton herself -- knows this. It's political opportunism. Crass and unhelpful to the people everyone's supposedly concerned about.

Never thought Democrats would be the type to make education and adult discourse a liability.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:09:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 2)

If this scandal were really so big, you'd think that Clinton wouldn't have to push it so hard.

The reason why this is going to die out soon (barring something bizarre) is that there's no act 2.  It's the same reason Wright died out.  At least with Wright, they could show the clips over and over again; the lack of video and weak audio means that they'd have to read it over and over again.

Pundits get bored.  If the story doesn't have a new twist, they go on to the next trivial scandal.  The problem is that the most likely twist they can bring to this is, "Clinton pushed it too hard."  

That's the one thing that Obama understands - don't cover things up.  Address what you did wrong, focus on the parts that you stand behind, and there's nothing for the press to focus on.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:19:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 0)

Really.

He's
said he didn't say it well
explained what he said
and
made it clear that he thinks that people ARE angry bitter and frustrated for very good reasons

He's not getting defined or pushed around.  And he's not a jerk who goes around saying that Al Gore lost in 2000.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:23:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excuse Me, But Gore Did Lose (2.00 / 1)

at the hands of his home state and the Supreme Court. I hate the fact, but he did lose.


by Soitgoes on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:44:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excuse Me, But Gore Did Lose (2.00 / 0)

True.  But isn't the point here that it is very unproductive on her part to push the "out of touch with voters" narrative that will be applied to every Democratic candidate?

To channel Bob Somerby, only in our broken discourse can the popular vote winner be described as "out of touch with voters."


by Wes on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:08:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excuse Me, But Gore Did Lose (none / 0)

I would venture to say that Hillary's comments undercutting the Gore and Kerry campaigns will be of much more interest to the remaining superdelegates than Obama's SF speech.


by haystax calhoun on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:31:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 0)

Josh Marshall pointed out that you know a Scandal's done when the opponants trot it out. (a'la Monica). This one was entirely opponant-based, and as such, remains an electoral loser.

But I love the "elitist" from "South Chicago" narrative. I thought it was anti-White racism by Obama that drove him. Turns out, he doesn't hate white people, he hates rural voters who happen to be White! Maybe next he'll hate those Sinister left-handed rural voters who like Hummel figurines.

What a silly man. Obviously doomed in the General.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:31:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 1)

You know, if Obama ever showed a little humility himself, I wouldn't find his words so offensive.  But he doesn't have humility.  He pretends to have it by saying that he's imperfect, but he never gives real examples.  Instead, he puts down others - his grandmother, his pastor, etc.


by Montague on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:10:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake (2.00 / 5)

Oh Alegre, you are merciless!  Great title.  But for some reason, I can't get that annoying KC and the Sunshine Band song outta my head now. ;)


by Caldonia on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:04:17 PM EST

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake (2.00 / 5)

KC and the Sunshine Band song...

Ahh crap now I've got it in my head.  Thanks Cal! ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:19:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake (1.25 / 4)

It'll be lonely in there.


by interestedbystander on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:18:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

audience dial data (2.00 / 0)

Check out the responses to Obama on bitter. There's audience dial data and a pdf that summarizes and breaks down the before and after audience responses.

http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J679 7/
http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J679 7/ReportJ6797.pdf


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:08:51 PM EST

Re: audience dial data (2.00 / 0)

These are fascinating reports. I hope people see them (although the links need to be copied/pasted in.)

It's heartening how many Clinton supporters were swayed by his explainations, and ended up agreeing with him. I think in a non-primary year, Hillary herself would too.

(And lots of McCain supporters changed their mind on it as well. Very heartening.)


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:23:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: audience dial data (none / 0)

oops - I tried to do it right.  If anyone can help on this, I'd very much appreciate it.  Thanks.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:24:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: audience dial data (none / 0)

http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J679 7/


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:28:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: audience dial data (none / 0)

That's cool.  Gracias!


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:10:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 3)

Alegre, good diary, as always. Your videos aren't working.


by Enviro on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:09:40 PM EST

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (1.66 / 3)

So take a look at the one I have just above.  It's from a media research company, not a group that's affiliated with any campaign.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:11:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 0)

CAMPSKUNK!!!!!!!

Why the TR on this comment?  What's wrong with you?


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:11:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 4)

Wait. They are now! strange. Anyway, excellent diary. Keep up the good work!


by Enviro on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:11:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... Will He EVER Shake This Vel (2.00 / 5)

MyDD requires link modifications AFTER A DIARY IS POSTED before YouTube links can be properly embedded.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:17:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Cling Thing... (2.00 / 5)

Thanks Enviro.  The videos are working now - you have to go back in and edit to get them up and running once you publish here.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:20:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, not really. (2.00 / 2)

And as was pointed out in a front-page post, the fact that he's steady in the daily tracking polls, while she's down, kinda argues against your thesis.

Clinton's trying to keep this alive. Good, I say, because there's some (inconclusive) evidence that it's hurting her, not him.

Sorry. This silver bullet isn't going to do the trick, either, no matter how many diaries you pump out about it :-)


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:11:12 PM EST

Yeah - Really (2.00 / 4)

One post by Johnathan Singer (no offense Johnathan!) does not put this to rest.  Give it a few days.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:21:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeah - Rea