What Hillary really stole...

Bill discussed Hillary's Bosnia lies last week during a speech.  He mocked to press, saying that they acted like Hillary had committed a "bank robbery".

Ironically, she had.  It's called "Stolen Valor".  Congress even passed a law making it illegal to falsely claim to have earned a Medal of Honor.  

Many soldiers are speaking out on this.

Washington Post Fact Checker reports that Bill is in the news again, this time with lies about his wife's lies.  Here's the video.

On 10 April 2008, Bill blamed the press for the Bosnia debacle, where Hillary lied about being under sniper fire. Bill says the press acted like Hillary committed a bank robbery.  (Perhaps Bill had in mind that in December a woman committed a real bank robbery in Clinton.)

Ironically, Hillary's lies about Bosnia were a a real theft of sorts.  There's a term for it: "Theft of Valor", or "Stolen Valor".  In the military, false claims of having been in live action are called "theft of valor" and they are taken seriously. This is so important that our government passed a law called "The Stolen Valor Act of 2005". Senator Clinton co-sponsored the Act, it passed unanimously in the Senate.

Medal of Honor

The Stolen Valor Act makes it a federal offense to falsely claim to have earned a Medal of Honor.

We prosecute people who falsely claim to have earned a Medal of Honor.  A trial is beginning soon against Xavier Alvarex who did just that. The trial prosecutor, Craig H. Missakian, said, as reported by the New York times:


    "Congress ... recognized the great sacrifice that people awarded the Medal of Honor made on behalf of their country. To the extent we have phony Medal of Honor winners running around like Alvarez, it dilutes the value of their sacrifice."

Senator Clinton has not claimed to have a medal of honor, so she has not committed a crime. However, her offense is just a lighter shade of the same color, it is still dishonest, and highly offensive.  

Defending our soldier's valor is important.  They give their lives to protect us.  There is no act more nobel.  The only compensation we can give our soldiers is to honor their service.  Theft of valor undermines that honor.  Theft of valor is taken very seriously.

A letter by Tammi Hetherington, a veteran in Tazlo while Hillary visited, talks about the personal respect between the soldiers for facing live action: Pennsylvania Progressive

Generations of Valor

   

It was my fortune to be working in the Headquarter building as a Communications Specialist, and while I did go out to the ZOS (Zone of Separation) once and lived under "Full battle rattle" rules, I would never in any way compare my experience with those who daily risked their lives. That was the M.P.'s who went on daily missions trying to round up weapons and militant individuals who opposed the Peace Accord, and the contract workers who aided the Multi-National forces in trying to rebuild the infrastructure (bridges, communication, water) that had been blown up. If, as I believe, it is improper for me to compare my involvement with those who took the bulk of the real risks it is even more improper for any visiting dignitary to compare their own for any reason, let alone for personal gain.

Having co-sponsored the Stolen Valor Act, and sitting on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Hillary should have known better, she probably did.

How does this make the troops feel?

Rep. GK Butterfield, of North Carolina, a Vietnam-era Army veteran, has said he is "appalled" on behalf of his constituents over the claim. Calling the misstatement "a strike against" the New York senator, he added that she owes the citizens of his state -- and America -- an apology for it.

And General Stewart says:

 

 ... in the military accurate representation of titles and performance are at the core of ethics. This is why fabrication of service or battle credentials - what we call "valor theft" - is so offensive to service members and veterans (or should be). Be you soldier or civilian, if you didn't "earn it" in service to your country, for shame that you might be wearing it or talking about it - and it is equally shameful for those who have served with honor to defend the dishonor of others. Valor theft degrades every service member and veteran, and, as a point of honor, I call on the former admirals, generals, and service veterans who are publicly in support of Senator Clinton to renounce that support. Continue it, and her dishonor is your dishonor.

Recently, Hillary has joked about it on Jay Leno, and now Bill blames the press for the public reaction, rather than taking responsibility.  It reminds me of a three year old covering their eyes in a game of hide and seek so that daddy won't find them.  The Clinton's pretend this wasn't offensive, and hope that we don't notice.  

We cannot repay the debt that we owe to our soldiers. We can only honor them, and treat them well.

I echo the soldiers' calls to Senator Clinton to apologize for her remarks.

But we should not stop at words, we should work harder to give these soldiers the support they need, before, during, and after their time of service.

To all of the soldiers serving our country, I give you my greatest gratitude and respect. To the families and friends of soldiers and all people around the world who have died because of war, you have my deepest sympathies.

A longer article on this can be read at Tammi's Poem.

Cross posted at dailyKos.


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What did Hillary really do?
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Misspeak
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Insult our troops
Tell a joke on Jay Leno
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Very well written, and powerful images!

Hooah!!


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by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:20:00 PM EST

This is still the most egregious thing to me (2.00 / 2)

I am not a military person but I know scores of them. It is specifically the selflessness that they display to a one that always strikes me.

In Orlando a few years ago I spent several hours a day for most of a week with one of the men pinned down in the streets of Mogadishu during the infamous "Blackhawk Down" incident.  Not once was there a moment of self-aggrandizement in his words though we spoke about the incident extensively. Not once did he claim the least valor for doing what he saw as his duty, and with every turn he put things into the larger context.  It is even a stretch to say he ever really talked about the experience at all - at least in the sense that I or anyone else would talk about it.  Rather, it came up in the context of conversations we were having and he answered my questions honestly and without the least emotion.

On the plane back from a tradeshow yesterday a soldier in uniform was leaving a seat in front of me when a woman asked him where he was coming from: he answered simply that he had been in training.  Like the woman, I assumed from the way he answered that he was a new soldier just out of boot camp, so I was not surprised when she asked if he knew whether he would be going to Iraq.

"Been there and back, ma'am," he answered as if he was commenting on whether he had been to the corner store.

The way Senator Clinton refered to the "Bosnian Sniper" experience was so in contrast to these gentlemen that it still causes a visceral response in me.  She tossed out the comment with a cavalier attitude that I have never ever seen in a real soldier.  She repeated the story over and over with a smile of condescending tolerance for all of us inexperienced loosers who hadn't been through the gauntlet with her.

And when she was caught she brushed it off like it was nothing.  Her defenders have said "everyone does it", "all politicians lie", "she was tired"...

She has never in any way apologized, but instead turns and flings blame at others for not allowing her this one little lie.  Her husband again laughs as he brushes it off....

It still leaves me speechless.

-chris
 


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by chrisblask on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:24:23 PM EST

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oh man what f'ing swill! what a stretch to claim she committed a military crime of 'stolen valor'. you are UNHINGED!

did you just rehash a swift-boat add from 2004. shame and pooahh.


by swissffun on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:01:37 PM EST

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swissfun:  I'm going to go out on a limb and say from your comment here, that you don't know many people in the military.  As a military spouse, friend, daughter and granddaughter, her "misspeaks" are a slap in the face to every honorable American who has ever served protecting our country in dangerous places.

Your "misspeaking" happened multiple times, lest you forget again, Mrs. Clinton.  Besides, I could totally understand if she had been snipered at some other place and just confused the location, bu she's NEVER been under sniper fire.  

Come on now, I think the stretch here is that she thought she could get away with her obvious lies.  

She needs to apologize, but I don't think she will because it won't help her get votes, so as far as she's concerned that is all that matters right now.  The answer of "I'm human, it happens" is not an apology.  It is another excuse.  

Is that the answer she's going to give every time she gets caught doing something wrong?  America deserves more.  


by RoccoCobamaMama on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:33:29 PM EST
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I think you'll be very surprised at how many Americans really respect the service that our troops volunteer to do and how many of our troops feel that Clinton dishonored them.


by Zoey on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:38:54 PM EST
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As of this morning there are 4054 dead U.S. Soldiers, and 90,000+ who have been severely injured, including loss of limbs, traumatic brain injury, burns, bullet wounds to vital organs, permanent organ damage, and psychological trauma.
There are also 94,000 families that have gotten terrifying phone calls, and spent months watching their loved one's agony.  There are untold others who live in hourly fear of actual sniper bullets, IED's, or rocket launchers.

Hillary Rodham Clinton was an elected official who was too involved with her book tour to read a vital report that predicted every aspect of the morass in Iraq.  She gave the vote to pursue war her unqualified and fulsome support.

She was, arguably, the one member of the entire administration who could have successfully stood up to Bush/Cheney.  As a former first lady, Senator, media star, and member of the Arms Services Committee, she could have used her connections and network of favors through her former President husband, and her spotlight in the media to join with the other brave Senators, over twenty of them, who read the report, and voted "NAY".

SHE GAVE THE WAR HER FULSOME SUPPORT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS.  If she had bothered to read the report, and she had taken a stand, she would be the runaway nominee today.  She did not.  And hundreds of thousands of people have suffered in myriad painful and deadly ways because she was too busy with her book tour and all that celebrity crap to read a vital government document as an elected leader.

Now, she is calling in favors, power and influence from all over the country, connections from decades past in her bid to be Commander in Chief.

It hurts me, as an American, to see her standing on the podium dining out on the troops misery seeking applause moments for herself.

As first lady, she had twenty-four hour protection from military folks who were sworn to protect her at the price of their own lives- a priviledge she enjoys even as I write.  None of these folks, nor the nearly 100,000 will ever receive a fraction of the public attention or the handsome rewards (Over 100 million dollars) that she has obtained.

She has demonstrated a chilling narcissism in her use of Tuzla and the manner in which she lied. The casual stupidity of these lies, and the insulting disregard and value for our military that she demonstrated should clearly disqualify her from any consideration as Commander in Chief.

She should be censured by Congress, and her husband and daughter too if they are part of this valor theft and falsity.  Lying to the American people by disrespecting our military is not anyone's idea of worthy behavior.


by URKnot on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:37:48 PM EST

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Jeez... I can see how her remarks were offensive to a lot of people, but I think this is taking it a bit too far. She wouldn't have gotten any valor points from me, even if the story were true. It isn't as if she claimed to have been on the front lines with a gun, bravely battling and blasting away the enemy. As a Clinton supporter, I will freely admit that it was a stupid lie. Yes, a lie -- a pointless and unnecessary attempt to beef up her foreign policy credentials. Personally, I have no idea what she was going for -- being shot at doesn't necessarily mean you have the foreign policy experience to be president, so I don't know why she thought it would be helpful. But she meant no disservice to our men and women in uniform.

Instead of rehashing this, shouldn't you be helping the sane people around here point out how stupid bittergate is?

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:49:33 PM EST

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I agree with you, I don't think Hillary was out to insult the troops.  Nonetheless, she did.  She insulted most Americans.

She talked about Bosnia in the same speech as claiming she was ready to be Commander in Chief, because she had the real experience to show it.  For that matter, McCain did as well, Obama did not.  Most people who have followed this have concluded that she did it to pad up her Commander in Chief eligibility.

You are right,people are moving away from this, but soldiers still are speaking out about this.  I am personally in touch with two.  Soldiers have been deeply moved by this, but ignored by the press.  They deserve to have their voices heard.

This was a good moment, with Bill talking about things stolen.


by Kiku on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:31:10 PM EST
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Thanks for the smiles!

"Can we impeach her BEFORE she is elected?"

I believe that the Republicans started working on that a few years ago.


by Kiku on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:33:26 PM EST


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