An Elite Liberal Condemns Obama's Remarks

I went to a top ten law school and went straight to Skadden Arps, the largest law firm in the world, when I graduated.  I have two graduate degrees.  I'm an anti-Vietnam McGovernite from way back and while I often have to wear a suit to work, my sentiments are firmly with the DFHs.

I've got a venti latte in my hand right now.  And it's good.

I'm an agnostic, and while I respect religious freedom, I zealously wish that religion were as far away from governance as it could possibly get, and that all governance decisions were based firmly on rationality.  As for guns, I would like to see all firearms banned, and it's as simple as that.  Furthermore, I strongly suspect that many of my fellow Democrats join me in those views, especially those who work and live in San Francisco and the Bay Area, as do I.

The thing is, though, that all us closet whackos who are involved on the Democratic side of politics decided long, long ago, tacitly but virtually unanimously, that we'd damn well better keep those opinions to ourselves.  And we damn sure don't want our Presidential candidates to go letting the cat out of the bag.

Yes, we're a bit on the hypocritical side that way, but we soften it by doing absolutely as little possible beyond the bare minimum politically necessary to highlight religion, gun rights, and flag-waving in our politics.  But by doing it this way, we actually manage to

(1) win Presidential elections from time to time, and
(2) elect goodly numbers of congressfolk.

I've never been even slightly tempted toward the lunacy of declaring these views as Party principles.  Sometimes you just have to grab a pitchfork and go help burn the witch, because if you don't you'll soon find that you're on the stake yourself.

So yes! We do indeed believe that the flyover folk go for their gay marriage acts and gun show laws and partial birth bans because something--and whatever that something might be varies according to the theory of the day--has deluded them away from seeing their real interests in elections and law-making.  We do indeed believe that our understanding of who they should vote for is better than their own understanding.

We just have to be smart enough not to say it out loud.  Because they suspect already, and even their suspicions make them burn with rage.  We really can't make the mistake of up and admitting it--unless we fancy the political stake.

Yes it's cynical and more than a little dishonest, but the alternative is to let the other side win, and they're miles beyond any cynicism and dishonesty we could ever aspire to.  



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Re: An Elite Liberal Condemns Obama's Remarks (2.00 / 1)

Word,

david


by giusd on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:45:09 PM EST

Re: An Elite Liberal Condemns Obama's Remarks (2.00 / 2)

Trickster says the things I want to say, only better. Must be because he/she's a liberal elite.


by MediaFreeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:47:02 PM EST

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Certainly don't say it out loud at the Getty Mansion... Geeze:

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by MediaFreeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:51:11 PM EST
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What was the point of this diary other than to flaunt your own resume?  I don't condemn Obama, and for the record, my resume is comparable.  

Whatever you think he said, I'd much rather deal with it in the open than hide behind some veil.  The Democratic Party is on the ascendant because we best represent the overall values of people in this country.  If we engage them in dialogue, or alleviate the real causes for their troubles, maybe we can convince them on the issues about which we disagree, as well.  Perhaps if we're honest with people we'll elect presidents slightly more often than "from time to time."


by rfahey22 on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:49:07 PM EST

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Let's discuss it then.

I put together a long and detailed diary on his comment and his response today:

Obama's Words That Matter - An Analysis [UPDATE]

I don't say it rises to the level of trickster's flowing and insightful prose, but I'm more of a logic and facts kind of poster.

Bottom line for me is: How is this not an accusation of bias directed by Obama against the rustbelt poor?  

Answer that for me, and we can have a conversation.


by MediaFreeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:56:42 PM EST
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Media, you've always been a forceful advocate for your positions, but sometimes you get so emotionally invested in your positions that you begin making assumptions that only make sense in your own head.  Your diary goes on several tangents about what one or two choice sentences could mean, when I suspect you formed your conclusion long before your "analysis."  

Here's the short of my take on what Obama means: people are so downtrodden by the last few decades that they simply aren't receptive to a message of change - they don't believe any change will occur, based on their life experiences.  So, many will vote on the issues about which they feel like they do have some control.  Moreover, the Pennsylvania machine endorses Clinton, and so they'll probably pull the lever for her.  As you may know from personal experience, often people will pick the status quo over change, when they're unsure what that change may be.


by rfahey22 on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:28:11 PM EST
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Could your comment possibly considered as "whining", just like so many of ours get categorized?  Hmm.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:54:15 PM EST
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???  I honestly don't understand your comment.


by rfahey22 on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:28:20 PM EST
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Your diary really.... (none / 0)

pisses me off. What happened to "the big tent?"

So yes! We do indeed believe that the flyover folk go for their gay marriage acts and gun show laws and partial birth bans because something

Generalizations will get you nowhere and that goes for BO too.


by soyousay on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:52:27 PM EST

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Ouch....

Obama really biffed it... huh?

Last I looked trickster wasn't running for president.


by MediaFreeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:58:50 PM EST
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That's the problem... (none / 0)

Obama is running for president and yet he makes generaliations about people from "small towns." Maybe he can't relate.

BTW, trickster says he/she is an Elitist...I agree


by soyousay on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:15:25 PM EST
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This good old boy who owns guns and is religious (none / 0)

Condemns Clinton (109 million earned since 2000) for calling Obama (another man who was raised by a single mother), an elitist.
But Clinton never had my vote.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:57:26 PM EST

Re: This (2.00 / 2)

I still dont get this.  BO is a man of limited means as a child.  BO lived with his grand parents and from 5th grade until finishing high school went to a private school and the best private prep school in the state.  

From there to Princetion and than harvard.  So from a wealth private prep school to one of the wealthest Private Universities in american to the most wealth private University in america.

Dont get me wrong i think this says something important about his career.  But come on BO is a child of wealth and this going on about how much the clinton's made the last 6 years is not just weak but liberal bullshit.

david


by giusd on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:25:31 PM EST
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I don't own a gun (2.00 / 1)

and never have found the need to own one.

I was raised as a Roman Catholic, but I haven't attended Mass in over thirty years.

I find Obama's gaffe more of an insight to his core belief than anything else.

Oh, I forgot to say that I'm a Hillary supporter...guess I'm not a good old boy.


by Coldblue on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:32:50 PM EST
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Thank you (none / 0)

You have just symbolized all that is wrong with the Democratic party !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:03:51 PM EST

Nice observation... (2.00 / 1)

One thing I find interesting in all this is that Obama is conceding that he can't win the votes of blue collar voters. Isn't he pretty much conceding that he isn't electable then? If he can't win those votes then it means that he can't win against McCain either.

....by Ga6thDem from a previous diary.


by MediaFreeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:06:34 PM EST

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And what, you belieeve McBush is going to attract blue collar workers. 80% of the country thinks we're on the wrong track, and you think another multi millionaire is going to look appealing to them?


by lion king on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:36:13 PM EST
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Re: Nice observation... (2.00 / 1)

It ain't based on being a multi-millionaire.

It's based on who sticks up for the people, unequivocally.  The Clintons are known for doing that, in the midst of a Republican Congress and Senate, when the Repubs went all out against them.  They held their ground far more than any others could have done, and Bill ended up with an over 60% approval rating, after 100+ million dollars were thrown against him, including the one thing they could find - Monica Lewinsky.

Is there anyone else on our field right now that could re-produce this kind of tenacity, except for Hillary?

I don't think Obama can, no matter how well he speaks to large groups.  One on one, in debates, he's not so strong.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:01:26 PM EST
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Excuse me Otaku Saru, the money you mentioned is less than $13million a year; money that Kobe Bryant consider pocket change.
by abudho on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:10:13 PM EST

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13 million is pocket change??? Talk about elitist.
And once again old school dems think we have a chance of winning back the Reagan Democrats. How many elections have we lost trying to pander to them?  
by lion king on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:29:57 PM EST
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My god (none / 0)

I was unaware that the NBA was a Cayman Islands based corporations.
Oh wait, its not!
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:37:21 AM EST
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I was also (none / 0)

Unaware that Kobe Bryant's wife was running for President.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:39:00 AM EST
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I believe that it is time that this secret which isn't a secret was let out of the bag or the pandora's box.  The repugs will continue to use the same old thing over and over again against the democrats unless will call them on it.  Democrats should be asking rural democratic voters if it is more important that we continue to go down the tubes and maybe have our sons and daughters fighting and dying in Iraq and if McCain has his way in Iran or sticking to our biases against the liberal part of the democratic party who may not agree on everythng rural democrats hold sacred, or vote for a democrat even if he is an AA but who will bring change to a system that is broken.

Also, why the heck can anybody think that an AA man is an elitist.  This is laughable.  How the hell can an AA male with all the bias and prejudices that they have to face every single day be an elitist?  Obama is just a very intelligent person who trys to understand and maybe has a hard time because he is so smart to put the right words with what he wants to say.  I think that Obama wants to understand rural voters, and to me he got the most important thing right, and that is rural voters are bitter, and feel that they have got the short end of the stick.


by Spanky on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:15:23 PM EST

Is that you Rev. Wright? (none / 0)

Also, why the heck can anybody think that an AA man is an elitist.  This is laughable.  How the hell can an AA male with all the bias and prejudices that they have to face every single day be an elitist?

What you wrote is ridiculous. He's human isn't he? Do you walk in Obama's shoes? Do you personally know him?

You are stereotyping all AA males.


by soyousay on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:22:46 PM EST
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Re: Is that you Rev. Wright? (none / 0)

If you had read BO book you would know he wrote that he didnt experience much in the way of racial insensitivities while going to Private school in HI.  So i am wondering just what bias and prejudices are you specifically talking about????   Are you saying that AA males expereince bias and prejudices every single day.  Could you link to the post to support this?

daivd


by giusd on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Is that you Rev. Wright? (none / 0)

I'm saying that you stereotype AA males because you suggest that NONE could possibly be an elitist.

Stereotype - "A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image."


by soyousay on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:36:42 PM EST
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Re: Is that you Rev. Wright? (none / 0)

sorry missed that.

david


by giusd on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:55:16 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't This on the Rec List? (2.00 / 1)

Best damn analysis of the Bittergate brouhaha that I've read (red).

PS - I'll spot you on the gun thing.  Although I have never owned one, I support the right to have firearms.  We may just need them in short order. The Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa is informative.


by johnnygunn on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:12:01 PM EST


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