Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead

Over the past month, since John McCain secured the Republican nomination, we've seen a Democratic lead in head to head match-ups replaced by a McCain lead or tie nationally as well as on a state by state basis, as you can see from the MyDD Poll Watchers at the top of the page. Many have suggested that this is evidence of longterm damage done to the eventual Democratic nominee but I agree with Chuck Todd, a consistent critic of such arguments, who says that such warnings are overblown.

The first thing McCain needs is for the Democrats to find a nominee. There's a lot of bad conventional wisdom percolating that this drawn out fight is good for McCain. It isn't... [...]

Why? A few reasons, not the least of which is finding out where he stands with the voting public.

Currently polls show McCain either narrowly ahead or even with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. It is impressive considering how poorly the GOP, and specifically the president, are viewed by the public.

But it is a faux lead. If the de facto Democratic nominee is clear within the next 4-6 weeks, that person will see a poll bounce. And according to GOP pollster Steve Lombardo, it could be one heck of a bounce, like post-convention. He anticipates the Democratic candidate will move up 10 points once the primary race is over.

In short, McCain needs to, as Todd says, "get the bounce out of the way." In addition, the sooner McCain knows the nominee, the sooner he'll know what general election message he'll be running on and where he's going to run it, for depending on McCain's opponent, he'd run two very different races.

He will either be the steady hand in uncertain times vs. Obama, or he'll be the breath of fresh air and openness in a campaign against Clinton. [...]

From a message standpoint, those are big differences. It is not easy to advance both, now, at the same time. McCain is trying, but ultimately, being able to refine one line of attack is a must, and that can't happen without a clear opponent.

In addition to message, geographically the battleground will be different depending on who he's running against.

If Clinton is the foe, McCain will be using a target map that looks very similar to the one George Bush pursued in '00 and '04. The emphasis will be on the Midwest and West, as he may be able to pick off a few blue states like Oregon or Wisconsin.

If Obama is the foe, McCain's geographic emphasis is likely to shift East to the Rust Belt, Michigan and Pennsylvania in particular, and even to the Northeast.

Now, this isn't to say that Todd is suggesting that the longer this goes on the better it is for McCain. He concedes that McCain would benefit greatly if the battle for the nomination were to go to the convention and that the sweet spot for the Democratic nominee is to wrap up the nomination in the next 4-6 weeks. But I think Todd's point is an important one. We shouldn't look at McCain's current lead or tie against Obama and Clinton and think the sky is falling; rather we need to keep it in context and to understand that McCain's lead, such as it is, is temporary and is the result of his own bounce at having secured the nomination. As strong as McCain appears right now in the general, we have to remember that while he may be the strongest candidate Republicans could have nominated, that doesn't mean McCain will be immune from the fundamentals that work against a generic Republican in 2008. Far from it. It's just that we won't really know to what extent until we have a nominee.



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McCain's "Faux" Lead (2.00 / 2)

McCain also has a real problem. His incumbency, remember he hasn't really had to fight for his seat in a very long time. He comes from a state which is not very "typical" and certainly doesn't have a wide variety of constituents. I just have to point out his speaking style. He is monotone and boring to say the least Obama will just crush him on chrisma alone. So would clinton. It wont take long I promise.


by eddieb on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:23:10 PM EST

its true (2.00 / 2)

listening to him speak is painful.

I remember thinking in 200 that at least he had honor.

After that he went Dark Side.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:27:48 PM EST
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Re: its true (none / 0)

I've spent the last 8 years wishing he had won the Republican nomination in 2000 but yeah, his time has passed.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:06:13 AM EST
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My friends (none / 0)

listening to me speak may be painful, but I've sponsored a bill against torture which will bring real relief to American families.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:34:50 AM EST
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I see... (none / 0)

you are holding strategy planning sessions on how defeat a dem.

You should really go to redstate.com them.

They will love your, I will scare you into voting for my candidate style.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:30:53 PM EST
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I'm guessing you haven't heard (none / 0)

MCain say "my friendsh."


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:09:13 PM EST
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Re: its true (none / 0)

"I remember thinking in 200 that at least he had honor."

It was that long ago, wasn't it?


The Kansas GOP under Kris Kobach
by Shocker Jim on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:05:28 PM EST
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Re: McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

What you dont mention is that the same poll had Hillary up over McCain by only two points.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:15:41 PM EST
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Oh good grief... (none / 0)

Less than 9% of New Yorkers are Jewish.  Even if this poll wasn't an outlier, it would take more than New York's religious makeup to explain it.


by KTinOhio on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:39:57 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (2.00 / 1)

You combine Hillary and Obams number once this primary is over and were up by huge margins. Right now our polls have two people facing a single candidate. Its split.


by ksecus on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:32:04 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Well, if McCain's is a Faux lead, then surely any they find from the Dem' when they aren't the official nominee is FAUX too.  lol

....and

Todd  roflmao "fresh Face mcCain".....???come on how did he even write that drivel with pouring his coffee from laughing so hard all over it?


by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:50:05 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Hes right.  McCain is "fresh" when compared to Clinton.  Clinton is seen as career Washington politician who will say or do anything to get elected, while McCain comes off as an independent minded politician who speeks his mind.


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:04:33 PM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Toddwell,

The old gray-hair, he ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be...


by RickWn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:46:06 PM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

He's spent 25 years in the Senate doing very little until he wanted to run for president. He's almost 20 years older than she is, and not half as intelligent. He's the typical Republican "old, white man", that pervades the party. He has flipped on a number of issues (immigration, abortion, evangelism, etc).
Nothing fresh about that, to anyone.
Even my 81 year old republican father thinks McCain is too old.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:20:06 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

"He's almost 20 years older than she is"

Um, just 11 years older actually.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:48:50 PM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

I thought we were going to lose.


"Don't let it end this way; tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa
by shef on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:51:56 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (2.00 / 2)

He will either be the steady hand in uncertain times vs. Obama, or he'll be the breath of fresh air and openness in a campaign against Clinton. [...]

From a message standpoint, those are big differences. It is not easy to advance both, now, at the same time. McCain is trying, but ultimately, being able to refine one line of attack is a must, and that can't happen without a clear opponent.

Very interesting.
I must admit that I had not thought of this (or read/heard it elsewhere.

However it shakes out...I am convinced that the end result will be the same. McCain will LOSE in November.


by Kysen on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EST

I'm Not Afraid Of McCain (2.00 / 2)

He represents the past. And he has nothing to offer the vast majority of Americans that have awakened in the last two years.

The majority no longer want to be told anymore, by the entitled wealthy corporate leeches, that they are lucky to get the crumbs, and that they better shut up and go along with what the CEOs decide.

The huge turnouts at Democratic primaries and caucuses are just the beginning of the tidal wave of outrage that will swamp McCain's yacht in November.

We need to be fearless. It makes sense. Fear is the weapon they've bludgeoned us with for 8 years.

Stop giving a crap about the Rove/Swiftboat enemy.
We are better than them, and we are the majority.
And we ain't gonna shut up and go along any more.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:13:52 PM EST

Re: I'm Not Afraid Of McCain (none / 0)

Clinton represents the past as well if you dont remember her being in Washington for the last 16 years.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:14:53 PM EST
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What I Said (2.00 / 2)

Isn't about Clinton or Obama.

It's about becoming fearless.
It's about fearlessly changing our country.

It's about ripping out the corporate bastards rectums, and shoving it down their throats in November, if that's what it's going to take..


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:20:08 PM EST
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Re: What I Said (none / 0)

You cannot expect any big changes or you are going to be very dissapointed.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:25:14 PM EST
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Re: What I Said (2.00 / 2)

Change starts from within, Toddwell.
Then it can change the world.

I'm one of those cranky old culture warriors.
And I've been disappointed before.

But I'd much rather be disappointed again.
And live whatever I have left without fear.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:41:43 PM EST
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Re: What I Said (none / 0)

Just remember 1993.  Clinton came in and was supposed to change everything.  Well, he did very little.  All he did was help make Republicans the majority party.  I dont want to go with that again.  


by Toddwell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:44:06 PM EST
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Re: What I Said (2.00 / 2)

That doesn't mean it's going to happen again.

That's what I mean about change and fearlessness.
But essential to that is to stop doing the same things, over and over again, and expecting different results.

Unrealistic expectations do lead to disappointment.
The trick is to try something different to get what you hope for.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:51:58 PM EST
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Exactly. (2.00 / 2)

I've been chuckling all along that McCain's nomination bounce hasn't carried him higher than to about 48% in the polls. That's his ceiling.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:15:52 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Once we choose a nominee, McCain's lead will increase due to the fact that the media will now focus on attacking one, and not two, Democrats.

Thus, if there are 1000 right wing/mainstream pundits in this country, over half trash Clinton on a daily basis, while a minority trash Obama.

Once Clinton is out of the picture, Obama will have to seek cover from the relentless attacks coming from the totality of the traditionally pro-Republican media that gave us George W. Bush twice, plus the war in Iraq.


by kingsbridge77 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:34:53 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (2.00 / 1)

The minority trashes Obama? Not sure I buy that.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:08:03 AM EST
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Consultant Effect (none / 0)

To have any candidate wait until another candidate is there, to shape his message - is largely due to the effect of consultants , at least to a degree. Not so much the candidate and his or her general message.

What I like most about Obama and McCain is that these two gentlemen have shown a clear trend in their political career to take chances.

I think for the first time in nearly 30 years will have an honest, down to earth debate that will have substance, and meaning for the vast majority of americans - and not just some political ad campaign whose consultants were bought off by some major media buying special purpose entity that exists to line the pockets of some major broadcasting company.

Or to simply be yet another fear and schmear thing. Heck. Obama won texas, after all. That should set the fear and schmear thing to rest once and for all (the clinton campaign's "are you safe with obama " stuff just plain didn't work)


by Trey Rentz on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:05:46 AM EST

Obama won Texas? (none / 0)

Trey Rentz seems to ignore the fact that Obama was running in a Democratic race for the nomination and in Texas they have this unique primary vote/caucus vote procedure that he didn't really win by all that much against Hillary. Says nothing about how he (or outside chance, she) would fare in a one-on-one general election match-up against McCain.

It's going to be a tough campaign for either of our Dem candidates who ultimately wins the nomination. But made easier by McCain's own past failures as a politician and his well documented turn from "straight talker" in 2000 to "sock puppet" in 2008.


by RickWn on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:24:47 AM EST

Maybe McCain will get a bounce, or Tancredo/Putin (none / 0)

Isn't it possible that McCain will pick up a few percentage points from enraged Clinton or Obama supporters crossing over the Republicans, after their candidate loses?

I already feel so enraged that I'm planning to write in Tom Tancredo, and it could be Chavez or Putin!

You want a bounce! I'll bounce your stinking heads off a fire hydrant!

Grrrrr!!!
Snarl!!!!

Putin/McCain 2008!!!


From those who have not, everything will be taken, even the little that they have. -Matthew 13:12
by Jacob Freeze on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:34:47 AM EST

Re: Maybe McCain will get a bounce, or Tancredo/Pu (2.00 / 2)

Don't blame me, I voted for Yeltsin! ;-)


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:46:32 AM EST
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Well since he's Mr. Iraq..... (2.00 / 2)

McCain/al-Maliki

You cannot deny it has a ring to it!  Watch out Democrats! ;)


by Homebrewer on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:49:08 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Yeah, I haven't seen any indication in the polling data that suggests this Democratic primary fight is causing long-term problems. Yes the polls have tightened up vs. McCain, but when you look at the underlying numbers -- favorables vs. unfavorables, for example -- not much has moved for Obama. (Hopefully Clinton's unfavorables will recover after the huge hit they took over the last month of gaffes.)

Even more importantly, however, you have to look at the effect this race is having in late primary states. Look at Democratic registration numbers in Pennsylvania, for example. Look at the fund raising numbers (even after you factor in what the primary races are costing). The Democratic base is being energized and independent voters are being engaged by the Democratic party.

There seems to be absolutely no reason to worry about the campaign running through the last series of primaries. Once that happens, though, I think it will be for the best for the superdelegates to step forward, announce who they're going to support, and identify who the nominee is going to be. After all, there's no reason not to at that point.

This appears to be the direction Howard Dean is moving. So two thumbs up for him.


www.thealexandrian.net
by Justin Alexander on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:10:59 AM EST

My Opinion of Chuck Todd (none / 0)

He looks to me like some young doofis with an HP calculator, trying to get his share of celebrity on cable TV (24/7, all the time, stupid).

And he's done well, feeding his HP 'analysis' of the election to lazy spinning heads like Tweety, and other blonde morons on MSM TV.

My guess is, Chuck's mustache would wither and fall off onto his $400 sweater if he ever was in the same room as a real journalist such as Walter Cronkite or Chet Huntley  


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:35:09 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

If those Poll Watcher maps are so pointless at this time, why are they so prominently displayed already?

I asked in my very first diary earlier today, and I am still waiting for an answer. If they are so pointless, though, as those who did respond argued (and as this front page post argues), why don't the good folks at MyDD take them down?


by wanderindiana on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:36:39 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

I'm curious (and perhaps someone here can answer this for me) if these polls factor in for an increased Democratic turnout like we've seen in the primaries?


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:24:55 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

Let him go on the campaign trail..HTF is he going to pay for it? He has already exceeded the limit.

The crazy Republicans hate him. There is a crazy vet site (read Swiftboat like) I won't link to that rants on under a title
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain

Also remember their bread and butter (now that even they know Iraq is FUBAR) was/is immigration.

When they play the Rev. Wright card..we just trot out his list..

His total ignorance on the economy...not to mention his established stupidity on foreign policy ...and it goes on.
The voters will not elect another dumb President...Not This Time.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:12:07 PM EST

Re: Chuck Todd On McCain's "Faux" Lead (none / 0)

I don't understand why we continue to look at national polls.  We don't have national elections.  We have 50 simultaneous winner take all state elections.

If you play with the electoral college maps so kindly provided on this site, you will see that any Democratic candidate that at least wins the same states as Gore won in 2000,(ie. picks up Iowa) and ALSO wins Colorado and either New Mexico or Nevada, wins the nomination WITHOUT WINNING EITHER OHIO OR FLORIDA.

Since a NM win is more likely than one in NV, the NM/CO axis is the key to this election.  That is probably why the convention is being held in Denver.  

Let's forget about national beauty contest polls and looking at who won what primary by how much.  The key is, who got the most votes from Independents and cross over Republicans in CO and NM.  Anyone want to guess?  


by MikeWalk on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:52:02 PM EST


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