Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight

I'm not upset with Randi Rhodes calling Hillary a fucking whore. Nor did I throw a brick at my TV while watching Pat Leahy make an ass of himself telling Hillary to drop out.

As for the Obama supporters defending a candidate that gives "flim-flam" a whole new level of meaning, I quit wondering about their reasoning abilities or what planet they're from a long time ago.

Y'see, fair and nice went out the window a long time ago.

Say, around December 12, 2000, when five of the justices of the Supreme Court said to stop counting the votes. And I didn't see a single Democrat lead the charge for revolt against this gross abuse to our system of governance. Not a Senator or a Congressman. Not even a call to arms from Left-wing activists.

Since then, I've seen a lot of whining and crying and calls to put BETTER Dems in office, but no real balls to the wall action. Except on Social Security when Bush decided he was going to make privatization his A-1 Priority.

All of a sudden, Dems knew enough to get in line to protect that puppy, or they may as well have called it a day as a party. Understand, that wasn't about just protecting FDR's legacy. That was Survival 101. If only the Dems could have rallied like that on issues such as funding for Iraq or judicial appointments or net neutrality or FISA.

But we know the real score, don't we?

That's why I laugh at the calls for Hillary to drop out. That makes it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt what wusses Obama, his surrogates and his supporters are.

Drop out? ARE YOU NUTS? WHY????

The Big Dog was still behind at this point in the primary and running third in the campaign for the general election against 41 and Perot. He didn't give up and neither should Hillary, especially against an opponent who's nothing more than the Democratic version of 43, if that. At least 43 had a governorship of a major state on his resume.

Yeah, I know I just said fighting words, and the responses will come fast and furious highlighting their candidate's intelligence and articulation, but an empty suit's an empty suit, no matter the pedigree. And make no mistake about it, we're talking a major empty suit here.

When people compare Obama to JFK or RFK, I KNOW they haven't done the homework or know what they're talking about. Both JFK and RFK were much more than telegenic and charismatic politicians, they were men with years of experience and accomplishment far greater than anything Obama has achieved so far. JFK was a war hero, even if an accidental one as he put it, and RFK served in the Navy, and this was when both were in their early 20's. Both were also highly traveled and both served in the highest echelons of government for many years before having run for President. Obama's record, OTOH, doesn't come anywhere close.

That's why, as a Hillary supporter, I'm all for her taking no prisoners, taking her fight to the convention floor and smacking Obama over the head with the rule book every which way possible. ESPECIALLY if he has blocked the vote from Michigan and Florida from counting.

Let's not kid ourselves here. Michigan and Florida did not occur in a vaccum. Hillary was the brilliant strategist who wouldn't be cowed by NH and Iowa having a hissyfit and recognized early on how critical Michigan and Florida would be in getting a Dem elected. Obama, OTOH, like everything else he's done, bet the farm that he could have the nomination wrapped up without  suffering the consequences for his actions.

Unfortunately for him and his supporters, he bet wrong, and exposed himself as the Democratic version of GWB. Vote suppression? Are you kidding me? What's he afraid of? That he might lose? Or should I say, lose even worse than he did before should those pissed-off voters in MI and FL get the chance to tell him what they really think of him.

I've thought long and hard over this, and I see myself facing only two reasonable choices when casting my vote in November.

The first choice is voting for a Democrat with intelligence, experience, wisdom, judgement and compassion, someone I feel comfortable with facing the Herculean task of cleaning up the devastation that will be left in the wake of the departure of the Bush Administration. Someone who also knows where the bodies are buried, which arms to twist, and which buttoms to push. Needless to say, that choice is not Obama.

The second choice is either vote for McCain or a third-party candidate, depending upon which candidate the third-party candidate will impact the most. While most liberal bloggers will be aghast at this choice and question my liberal credentials, I see this as the best of my options sans being able to vote for Hillary. To those who say "well, what about the Supreme Court and Iraq and everything else we care about", I respond with the following:

Having lived under Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, his idiot-spawn and Chaney, McCain can do no worse. If anything, I have VERY high hopes that should he be elected, he will bring down the GOP to the point of extinction, possibly inciting the American people to really revolt against their government in the most meaningful way I can think of.

What's lose-lose to me is voting for a guy who's essentially the Democratic version of GWB or the second coming of Jimmy Carter (take your pick) and watching as his ineptness in the job is headlined throughout the global media on a daily basis, taking down the Democratic Party along with him.

I have yet to discover anything that qualifies Obama for the highest office of our nation, and the rational how he runs his campaign shows how well he will run the country doesn't cut it. I've known guys who could ace the test given in class, but when called on to perform the actual job just literally fell apart when it mattered. What mystifies me are those supporters who extoll what a brilliant record of achievements this guy has when in reality it's not any better than W's when he ran back in 2000, and with about the same level of gladhanding to get where he is.

Examining the nominating process in the coldest possible light, I'm willing to write off the diehard Obamabots and all the new votes he brought with him. From my vantage point, he's not the only reason people are excited to vote for the Democratic nominee this year. To me, she's the sure thing to reach the promised land whereas he's much too big a roll of the dice. I KNOW she'll use every means possible to overcome McCain and anyone else in her way, whereas his inability to seal the deal clearly demonstrates how long the odds are for him to prevail.

Obama supporters will rally and claim she hasn't sealed the deal either, failing to recognize that in actuality she HAS sealed the deal -- with the Democratic base. If she hadn't, she'd be long gone already from this race. One doesn't whine about their opponent unless they really are scared they're going to lose big if the contest continues.

At one time, I would have considered voting for Obama, but that was a long time and too many burnt bridges ago. When leveling any criticism against Obama results in my being called a racist, I know things have gone way over the deep end. Just because I'm white doesn't make the charge valid no matter the color of the individual making it. I've seen colleagues of mine discriminated far worse by their peers who were all persons of color than was ever done to me or that I may have inadvertantly done to others, so I'm pretty sure most if not all, especially Obama and his supporters, are living in some pretty fragile glass houses these days.

Remember the episode of THE WEST WING that took place at the Democratic convention trying to decide who the nominee would be? It goes without saying all loyal fans KNEW Matt Santos would end up the nominee. The key question that kept everyone riveted was how. If you go back and pay attention to the details, you'll understand why Obama and his supporters don't want this fight going all the way to the convention. Once balloting goes past the first round, the delegates are free to vote for whomever they want. That's why Obama is doing his level best to make sure his delegates are loyal strictly to him, issues be damned. He knows once they get to the convention, Hillary and Bill have a LOT of chits to call in, to say nothing of the offers they can make. It'll be Let's Make A Deal for the Presidency. At that point, anything goes.

That's a fight I'm sure a lot of Hillary supporters are willing to sign on to.  As I said at the beginning, I'm not going to get mad. I'm just going to do my part to win the war. Brass knuckles. Broken bottles. Defense contracts. Rebuilding New Orleans. Universal health care. Whatever it takes.



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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (2.00 / 1)

I do appreciate your fighting spirit - you took it to those strawmen pretty well.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:04:46 AM EST

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Except this isn't TV and the convention this year is a mere two months before election day. I don't care which candidate will be ahead after the last primary is over but that candidate should be the nominee. We can't have our two candidates fighting all summer and then have a floor fight at the convention while John McCain sails unopposed all summer with a media that ignores and pre-spins every insane confusion of Sunni and Shia, staying in Iraq forever, being in violation of election law, flipflopping on torture, etc. Should that happen neither of them will win the Presidency.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:16:37 AM EST

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Sure THE WEST WING was a TV show, but the brilliant part about the stories was that they were always based in the minutae of government procedure and Democratic politics. That episode went according to the actual DNC playbook, which made it clear that the ONLY thing that mattered was the final delegate count. How that delegate count was arrived at was up for the delegates themselves to decide, which is how it is actually written up in the DNC charter. It's why you don't hear Howard Dean anymore say this will be decided by the will of the people, and why Obama and his supporters want Hillary out now.

But if you really paid attention to my diary, you'll realize I'm not fazed by the protracted battle. Far worse is yet to come from the GOP during the GE, which is why we need a real warrior.

And that ain't Obama.


by SoCalHillMan on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:37:48 AM EST
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I'm quite the fan of West Wing and know the episode you are talking about. I just think you're wrong about the fallout from a protracted battle. We can't afford to go all summer with our two candidates bloodying eachother up and squandering their enormous fundraising advantage while John McCain is allowed to run free, unscarred, building an organization, raising and husbanding money, consolidating supporters, getting free and fawning press, etc. If the convention was earlier in the summer then yes, but not the last days of August where there are like 8 or 10 weeks to election day. To me it wouldn't matter which candidate prevailed in the floor fight they wouldn't win. You can't bring together the base, plan a campaign, build an organization and win a national election in 2 months.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:48:24 AM EST
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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (2.00 / 1)

Well you got a rec from me!!!

I love your diary. I'm in for the fight all the way to the convention floor!!

Was Bubba really 3rd at this point in the race?


by nikkid on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:18:10 AM EST

Um, Bill was the Dem nominee. (none / 0)

Polls jump around.


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:21:10 AM EST
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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (2.00 / 1)

Eh, sorta. He was third in the polls behind Bush and Perot. He wasn't behind in the primaries. While he didn't achieve all the delegates he needed until June it was a forgone conclusion that he'd be the nominee since march.

The important differences this year versus previous years is the frontloading of the primary schedule. The first states were mid february not beginning of july, super tuesday was march not the first tusday in february, and the convention was mid july not the end of august. This year everything is frontloaded so while we are early in the year we have gone through many more contests then usual. The convention is also much later then usual at the end of august which is why a floor fight means the election of President McCain.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:02:06 AM EST
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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (2.00 / 1)

yea Ross Perot was the leader, Bush second, Clinton third. Then, Ross Perot left the race, we took a huge lead, maintained it long after Labor Day until Perot decided to come back at the end of September, and he wound up ruining the landslide we had coming in November, contrary to myth, as Bush continually polled in the upper 30's where he ended up on election day and his approval rating. I hate than son of a bitch for that. If he hadn't reentered, Clinton woulda maintained his 20 point lead, won a huge mandate, and he'd have been unstoppable in office, and the Clinton-haters would not have that "not 50 percent" talking point they parrot from Rush.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:02:15 AM EST
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Whatever. (none / 0)

Obama will beat McCain. McCain is an incredibly weak candidate in a very bad year for Republicans.

See ya'.


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:19:31 AM EST

Actually (2.00 / 1)

McCain is a strong candidate in a crappy year for the repubs.  He is still toast but Romney would be a corpse at this point with all of the republican donors looking to 2010.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:25:24 AM EST
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Re: Actually (none / 0)

i happen to think McCain's the best we can go against. He is SOFT, and called Obama qualified. The whole point that the GOP was gonna make was that he wasn't. This, to be honest, I knew was gonna be their election to lose, as history has shown the incumbent party in the white house for eight years usually wins the popular vote on more time afterwards. Also, Mccain's color is an electoral college advantage, and so is his experience. He threw the experience argument down the sewer, and knowing him, he will call out the 527s, just like he did cunningham. 527s are THE ONLY WAY they will beat Obama, but they could work with a target like him so watch out. He talks about his war history on the trail, along with pork barrel spending.

If Romney were it at this point, he'd be going full steam on us, attacking us harshly with no retort as we'd be fighting each other still, having some energy, funding his own 527s. That is, if we were still fighting. Howard Dean even said he feared him more. Tho we could define Romney more easily, he'd be doing better than McCain, but we'd have to define romney right. That being said, when we have a nominee, I HOPE mccain puts him on, as we will ruin him like Ted kennedy did in MA, and his job is enough to wreck him in the rust belt, and possibly give us Ohio and the election. His religion will ruin GOP turnout, as McCain's is already doing. Its not like Romney can be the top, and a true con on the bottom.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:59:20 AM EST
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But Romney's (none / 0)

ads did crap for him amongst a republican audience.  McCain has a strange appeal to inde's which I don't fathom.  He also hits the conservative democrats decently and protects the liberal republicans.  I think that the repubs got it right, however he is still going down like 2 tons of bricks in the fall, it will just be closer due to his "appeal"

I wish Romney were running still he was always hilarious with his flip-flops.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:28 AM EST
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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (2.00 / 1)

Great, nice diary...Here's to you and your second choice, the war monger.  


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:56:07 AM EST

Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (none / 0)

Considering that ever since he arrived in the Senate, Obama has done nothing but enable Bush to have his war, how is he any better than either Hillary or McCain by your criteria?

This is what Obama supporters have yet to reconcile with the facts. They keep pointing to a speech he gave back in 2002 when he didn't have any skin in the game, yet ignore his actions after being voted into office. Where is the logic in THAT reasoning?


by SoCalHillMan on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:04:24 AM EST
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Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (none / 0)

His vote for the funding of the war was for the US troops, there was no chance of Bush ending this war so Obama voted for the funding to make sure our troops had what they needed.  You would be the first one to point if he voted no, saying "he doesn't support our troops...he's unpatriotic."  Try that argument on some green wood...Won't work here...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:16:26 PM EST
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Great diary---I'm ready to go ALL THE WAY, just as we know Hillary will do.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:54:25 AM EST

Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (none / 0)

If real Democrats don't shy from a fight, why there have been so many diaries lately suggesting that Dems must support Clinton out of fear of what the GOP will do to Obama in the general election?

I guess that means that us Obama supporters who are unafraid of McCain are the "real" democrats?

Here's another thing that "real" Democrats don't do: vote Republican if their candidate doesn't win the primary.


by jdusek on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:03:30 PM EST

Re: Real Democrats Don't Shy From A Fight (none / 0)

Loved your Diary.  I truly believe Hillary is the person to clean-up Bush's mess - as  you stated so well.  I feel she'll be an extraordinary President.


by cameoanne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:44:28 PM EST


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