McCain Hits Obama With Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises Claims

And if the media is covering this now from the Republican nominee, you know what is in store for the future should he some how win the Democratic nomination.  And that's exactly what we don't need.

Yes, I'm a Hillary supporter, because of Hillary, her positions, policy, experience, backbone, integrity and keeping her word.  It's not because of an opinion of Obama being unable to win the General Election.  But as we see, this is something we have to take in to consideration.  How much baggage will Obama bring to a General Election?

Obama has already had to apologize to McCain in the short week he decided to focus on the Republican nominee after his failed attempt to try to force Hillary to end the campaign and hand it over to him and that backfiring.  Now McCain has set his sight on Obama's tactics.

McCain's Camp stated,

"It seems he is taking another step down the path of breaking his promise to the American people," said McCain adviser Steve Schmidt. 'Obama is running an increasingly negative campaign built on a foundation of untruthful attacks and broken promises. That is the type of politics Americans are sick of and John McCain is going to change."

So now McCain is going to offer the campaign of a different kind of politics?

Apparently Obama made additional backtracking comments on public financing at a Fundraiser the other night.  Feeling confident that he is getting the money from every day citizens, this apparently must have been the only reason he was advocating for public financing, he no longer sees it as a need.

At a fundraiser Tuesday night, Obama told donors that “we have created a parallel public financing system where the American people decide if they want to support a campaign they can get on the Internet and finance it, and they will have as much access and influence over the course and direction of our campaign that has traditionally reserved for the wealthy and the powerful."

Are these the same every day American people that have donated their money and volunteered their time for Camp Obama that Obama just blocked and cut from the California Delegate List to be chosen for the Convention?  As being reported by Campskunk on who it appears was cut.  After the initial reports of him cutting an unprecedented 900 from their list of supporters.  Is this what his democracy looks like?

As we know, removing some people is not uncommon, as there may be alterior motives with a record for supporting another candidate or other problems, and Hillary too removed some names from being one of her possible delegates, but she removed a tiny fraction in the amount of 40, versus the unprecedent amount of 900 every day "america people", supporters, Obama likes to talk about fueling his campaign.

Something tells me he better go back to talking about Public Financing quick.



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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 5)

Sigh.

Yes, we get it. McCain will attack Obama, but will have nothing but wonderful things to say about Clinton. Meanwhile, Obama will be helpless in the face of the big, bad 527s. Or maybe McCain WILL have mean things to say about Clinton, but she'll use her political jujitsu to dodge all of it. We are doomed if Obama is the nominee, and it is your regretful duty to point this out to us.

Look, I'm sorry to be curt about this, but we've heard this in a thousand other diaries here. Just stop with all the gloom and doom already. Both our candidates will be fine.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:38:43 PM EST

Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 4)

But the fear, the FEAR...!  

Tell me when it is safe to come out from under the bed....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:42:42 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 1)

Oh, you don't want to discuss the very obvious and problems?  This kind of hypocrisy and breaking his promises was part of Obama's main theme.  Different kind of politics, public financing.  He doesn't have much of a record for his short US Senate career, but this is quite clear.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:42:44 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 2)

I mean, should we start a diary about Clinton's obivious problems?  It's pretty clear that you are a sincere Clinton supporter - you're not doing this out of concern for Obama supporters, you're doing it to advance your preffered candidate, which I respect, but I'm pretty sure that the Obama campaign, his surrogates and supporters can handle thses standard attacks, just as Clinton and her affilates would be able to.


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:52:25 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 2)

I don't get it, are you actually defending McCain???
by lion king on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:56:27 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 3)

Broken promise of public financing? Screw that. McCain not only broke his public-financing promise, he actually used that broken promise as collateral on a loan that kept his then-sinking primary hopes alive.  His entire campaign may well have gone belly-up if not for that, so I would have a good laugh if McCain actually tried to make public-financing promises an issue.

It's also kind of amusing how folks always shoehorn "different kind of politics" into whatever their Attack of the Day is. Public financing? "Whatever happened to a different kind of politics??" Responding to a Clinton attack? "Whatever happened to a different kind of politics??" And on and on. Weak.

And to answer your first question, no, I really have no desire to "discuss" Obama with you, because you obviously only want to hear how dooooomed we are. It doesn't make for an engaging conversation.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:04:28 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 2)

NEWSFLASH!!!

The Republican nominee will criticize the Democratic nominee!!!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:36:09 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (none / 0)

Not if it's Clinton, because she's won their grudging respect, and even Faux News covers her fairly. The 527s will probably just shut down while shaking their fists at the heavens and muttering, "Curses! Foiled again."


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:06:48 PM EST
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and your attitude is precisely the problem (none / 0)

the more you say "we've heard this before" the more you ignore potential bombs further on down the campaign.  You should be focusing on very clear, smart, and strong answers to these criticisms, instead of constantly dissing the issues that are causing problems for Obama.

You think you can just "diss" McCain? Or call him names?  It may work on a blog, but not in the general.  Remember what happend to Kerry when he "dissed" the slurs about his military service?

Already there is too much on Obama to feel comfortable about, the repugs will use every trick in the book. And he does not have a credible defense, no matter what the charges.  He just keeps ignoring them, like his supporters.

Better wake up before its too late.


by 4justice on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (none / 0)

As a Hillary supporter, I totally agree with this. It's time for both sides to stop buttering up McCain, and get on with the business of electing a democratic president. And, while we're at it, expanding our leads in the house and senate. We have lost track of what's really important, and what this nation really needs.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:44:37 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for your concern... but the headline of McCain gives Obama a big ole hug an a kiss would have been more newsworthy....

Letting the GOP or our fear of the GOP pick our nominee may not be the best idea....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:41:34 PM EST

Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (none / 0)

You mean like with Obama's mentor, Joe Lieberman?


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:43:42 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (2.00 / 4)

Yeah...  Hillary Clinton HATED that guy...  oh wait.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:50:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

clueless here (none / 0)

don't dismiss something that is going to be a problem later on.


by 4justice on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:37:40 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hitts Obama With Untruthful (none / 0)

Do you have any evidence that Joe Lieberman is Barack Obama's mentor?  

I would note that Lanny Davis was a Lieberman surrogate all the way thru the 2006 election (including after the primary) and is now a Hillary surrogate.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:09:11 PM EST
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Lieberman was assigned to Obama (none / 0)

as his "mentor" in the Senate when he arrived in January 07, one month before announcing for president.

I guess Lieberman as mentor explains why he never held a hearing on his subcommittee


by 4justice on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:38:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 4)

wait we are worried about John Mccain on public financing?

the same John McCain who may or may not be breaking a law he co-sponsored himself?

does he really have a foot to stand on with the public finance issue? as the FEC even stated if he is allowed to opt out or he is stuck?

and you want to give him the moral high ground on this issue?

right ok.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:46:26 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 2)

McCain doesn't have a foot to stand on on almost any issue if you look at it closely enough...

I think people are giving him far too much credit...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:52:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

I think the democratic candidate should opt out of public financing. If the democrat were to accept public financing, that candidate would have the same problem as Kerry had in 2004, when he had to begin spending his general election funds right after the convention. Since the repub convention is later then the dems, it gives the repugs a substanial lead in general election funds. It was exactly in that time period that Kerry was harshly swift boated, and did not want to use general elction funds to answer back. He never did recover. Obama is very smart to resist this possibility.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:52:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Somehow win"? (2.00 / 2)

You guys really are good for the laughs, I give you that.

McCain and the Republicans, and now Democrats I guess, are trying to complain that the 100 years quote is mean and out of context. But it's his exact words. He has said it is fine with him that troops remain in Iraq forever. 100 years in fact is one of the lower timeframes he has been quoted as saying. He did qualify the statement that he envisioned a time where there wouldn't be combat and nobody would die but the essential fact remains his position is that we can't leave now because we can't leave in disgrace without winning, but he has also said that once we have won we shouldn't leave then either. He wants troops in Iraq FOREVER.

In addition you fail to mention, and I'm shocked at the omission, shocked I say, that Senator Obama had 1700 people trying to become a delegate and Senator Clinton only had 950.

And finally, he has never pledged to take public financing. He has pledged to work with the Republican nominee should he become the Democratic nominee in trying to develop a comprehensive public financing solution which would have to include measures to deal with 527s. That is the extent of his pledge.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:54:11 PM EST

1700 vs 950 potential delegates (2.00 / 3)

That one cracks me up.  Clinton even won California.  Obama, by definition, has fewer to allocate than Clinton does.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:00:35 PM EST
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Re: McCain Hits Obama (2.00 / 2)

YEAH!!! GO MCCAIN!!!!!


by amiches on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:55:13 PM EST

Sorry, didn't realize that (2.00 / 1)

was snark and troll rated you...just for a minute though.  Fixed now.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:18:31 PM EST
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Quick - RECC THIS DIARY (1.60 / 5)

It's a finely written Anti-Obama Hit-Piece and it would be a shame if it slips away without spending hours on the RECC List here.

This place cracks me up. Linda - here's a clue. Hillary can't win the nomination. Get your head out of the sand and stop wetting yourself over what the GOP will do to Obama.

Obama is a strong candidate who is not afraid of the GOP. Take a lesson and stiffen your spine.


by Flapper on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:56:19 PM EST

Re: Quick - RECC THIS DIARY (2.00 / 1)

It's a piece of news, but appreciate the compliment.  If people want to try to change the conversation than what this is, that's there prerogative, but it looks pretty silly to be talking about something other than what the diary is and Obama's main campaign theme.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:58:48 PM EST
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RECC THIS DIARY (2.00 / 1)

Oh and forgot, thanks for the rec.

And you obviously know Hillary can and WILL win the nomination, especially with Obama becoming more damaging every day.

I'll let your personal attack slide, because that's the kind of great gal I am.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:01:15 PM EST
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Re: RECC THIS DIARY (2.00 / 1)

Well with the Clinton folks teaming up with the McCain folks, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama got a bit dinged up....

Seriously, thanks for all of the concern over the Obama McCain matchup, but McCain is more vulnerable than people think he is...  add Bob Barr to the equation and he will lose the hardcore conservatives too...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:11:55 PM EST
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Thank you for your concern about our candidate (2.00 / 2)

Thank you for your concern but he's holding up just fine under the fire he's taking from Senator Clinton, President Clinton, Senator McCain, President Bush, Hannity, Rush, Fox News...


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:38:33 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for your concern about our candidate (none / 0)

Oh yes, his support and supporters are just thrilled with him. (sic)


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:00:12 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for your concern about our candidate (2.00 / 2)

Thanks, I do support him...and will gladly vote for him in my state on Aprill 22, with a big smile on face thinking about you.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:05:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Quick RECC THIS DIARY (2.00 / 1)

Hey Flapper, where's my rec, or was that just empty flapping?


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:04:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quick RECC THIS DIARY (none / 0)

just empty flapping. This place is poison enough without me recc'ing obama-hit-pieces.


by Flapper on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:26:31 PM EST
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Re: Quick RECC THIS DIARY (1.00 / 1)

linda, are you actually begging for rec's? So sad!
by lion king on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:54:01 PM EST
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Re: Quick RECC THIS DIARY (2.00 / 1)

Sad is the person who resorts to name calling because they don't like the message.  Now who's sad. :(

and ....Pssst, news flash, this site is based on diary rec'd.  shhhhh  don't tell anyone you didn't know..


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:04:07 PM EST
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Re: Quick RECC THIS DIARY (none / 0)

Where was the name-calling?


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:19:07 PM EST
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Re: Quick RECC THIS DIARY (none / 0)

Please point out in my comment where I called you a name??? Must have hit a sore spot, sorry!
by lion king on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:17:05 PM EST
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Here's a clue: (none / 0)

Neither can Obama.  They are both having to rely on the supers.  Wrap your head around that one as you pull it out of the sand.


by 4justice on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:40:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is a joke (2.00 / 4)

McCain can't point to anything in his record that suggests that he is not a war enthusiast.  Hell, he's running on the platform of more war.

Obama didn't HAVE to apologize to McCain for something someone else said, but was nice enough to do so.  McCain should've dropped it right there.

The finance stuff is even more of a joke.  To suggest that there was any viable reason for Obama to take public financing when McCain is probably in violation of his own law and only being protected by Bush's obstructionism of the FEC is pure lunacy.

McCain is going to get eaten alive on this one, I guarantee.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:58:35 PM EST

New Rule (1.80 / 5)

If you use the word CONCERN anywhere in your opening statements, You are a CONCERN TROLL!
by lion king on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:00:19 PM EST

It comes to this (2.00 / 4)

Would you be OK with an Obama supporter writing a diary repeating a bunch of Republican talking points  re: Clinton?  If the answer is no, then why is it ok for you to do it?  If the answer is yes, then you should think about changing your party affiliation.    


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:01:06 PM EST

Re: It comes to this (2.00 / 3)

you know I am tired of having to actually debate other democrats on whether or not McCain would be better then Obama.

and I am tired of the, hey be nice to me or I won't vote for Obama stuff.

seriously everyone can just vote for who they want, if you want to vote for McCain vote for him, its not like Millions of other Americans wont.

but its kind of Ironic that the democrats who don't even want to vote for Obama are always the ones sooo concerned about his chances.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:11:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It comes to this (2.00 / 1)

You must be having a problem reading, because that claim is not in this diary at all.  But you seem to be having a problem dealing with the facts of this diary, so you are making your own claims.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It comes to this (2.00 / 1)

what facts?

you selectively decide what you will or won't respond to.

Did I not say McCain has no footing to stand on this issue as he may be violating an FEC law he sponsored? why not bring that up in your diary?

no democrat is worried about the Public finance issue, Obama will back out, and McCain can complain all he wants, those challenges to him violating the FEC rules can be filed this summer, so you think public financing is something McCain is really going to want to hit Obama on, while he goes to court to argue that No he isn't breaking the law?

I mean how is it that McCains own problems with the FEC go completely un-mentioned in your diary?

how about you answer that question.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:26:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It comes to this (2.00 / 1)

You just want to rant on, go ahead.  There isn't much for me to respond here.  False name calling and accusations.

Your very first sentence stated.

"you know I am tired of having to actually debate other democrats on whether or not McCain would be better then Obama."

And no where in the diary was that said, inferred or anything else.  But YOU wish to try to claim that.

But I understand you all are having a problem with Obama's actions, so I'll let you all go.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:49:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It comes to this (2.00 / 2)

what are you talking about you responded to me and said I was avoiding so I responded and directly addressed the public finance issue,
and what did you do, you once again SKIP that and go back to my original.

why not answer MY question, isn't this what your diary is on?

why did you not dicuss McCain and HIS FEC problems? do you think Obama's back out of a pledge is worse then McCain very possibly breaking a law he co-sponsored?

or this is something we are just never going to actually address?


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:05:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises (1.50 / 4)

Wooow , must of hit a truth sore spot with all this.  Its ok. go on, but remember, you can't delete your comments folks.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:03:09 PM EST

Re: Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises (2.00 / 2)

a "truth sore spot"....?  No, more like a "why all the concern about McCain and Right wing talkingpoints on a progressive site" sore spot...

I know, I know...  we must nominate Hillary or we will all perish...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:15:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Untruthful Attacks (2.00 / 1)

Thank you.  You said it.  See, when facts are supplied, if your eyes are open, you will see.  


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:18:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Once the nominee has been (2.00 / 1)

chosen, I guarantee you these pro-McCain diaries will not be tolerated on this or any other progressive blog.  Enjoy it while you can.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:20:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Once the nominee has been (none / 0)

If you see this as a pro McCain diary, you have more issues.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:59:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Untruthful Attacks (2.00 / 1)

See, when snark is supplied, you buy it.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:25:19 PM EST
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Re: Untruthful Attacks (2.00 / 3)

Lemme see....my eyes are wide open....WOW, you're right I can see more clearly now....I see....Oh, my...I see...Obama with more pledged delegates and more states won....Wait, I see Obama ran campaign for the ages....Oh, one more thing...it's becoming clearer...I see that some Clinton supporters have actually engaged in using fear and right wing talking points to disgrace a Democrat...Thank you  so much...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:16:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

McCain is quite irrelevant. (none / 0)

See how well he's used this time as the nominee.  I think people are too caught up with McCain and the right-wing machine.  They're having trouble keeping their candidate in the headlines.  I'm confident about what our candidates can do to him.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:08:11 PM EST

We're Doomed (2.00 / 3)

We're doooooooomed!!  McCain is actually attacking the Democratic nominee for POTUS....Who would have come up with that strategy??....It's just not fair.....pack it up Obama....Why is McBush doing this??...Oh, God I'm getting so nervous I think I might puke....I can't handled it, Obama can't handled it....Where's my mommy??...I just want to run and hide...The sky is falling...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:11:33 PM EST

Re: We're Doomed (2.00 / 1)

Yes, yes you are.  If you're backing him.  Definitely.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:08:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We're Doomed (none / 0)

As a Pennsylvanian, I will take my "chances"....you just keep on rooting for McBush...Pseudo Democrat


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:25:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I do have a question though... (2.00 / 2)

Isn't Obama going back on his initial pledge?

I thought the whole reason he wanted public financing was due to transparency in gov't and in elections?

If he's truly for campaign finance reform as he says, should he really go back on his pledge?


by nikkid on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:33:20 PM EST

Re: I do have a question though... (2.00 / 1)

1.2 million contributors -- actually more -- sounds like the public is financing his campaign.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But unless Obama (none / 0)

frames it that way now, and constantly, the perception is going to be that he is a hypocrite.  This is why we need to focus on McCain and not our own.


by SocialDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:56:52 PM EST
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Re: I do have a question though... (2.00 / 1)

1) damn straight he should go back on the pledge and why would ANY democrat say otherwise?

2) its the spirit of the reform, its to get big money out, which he did. Big donors don't hold power over Obama because he doesn't need them, the man can raise $30+ million a month, and averages about $100 dollars a donation.

isn't this a good thing?


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:47:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Pledge (none / 0)

The pledge he made was that if he was the nominee he would sit down with the Republican nominee and try to come up with a comprehensive general election financing plan including what to do about 527s.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:12:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises (2.00 / 1)

Thanks, Linda.

What ever happened to the Change We Can Believe In, predicated on a "different kind of politics"?

I hate the way the Obama people are jumping all over you like a pack of wolves.  Like you said,  must have touched a "sore spot".


by moevaughn on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:57:45 PM EST

Re: Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises (none / 0)

"Like you said,  must have touched a "sore spot"."

I think it has more to do with writing the right wing talking points for November.


by SocialDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:07:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Untruthful Attacks; Broken Promises (none / 0)

Believe me the right wing will be writing their own talking points. Not to worry; Linda is not doing their job for them.  She has some legitimate questions to ask of your candidate; I hope you have some good answers.


by moevaughn on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:38:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It would be fine to ask questions (none / 0)

but remember inevitably it will be our candidate (I hope). But what gets very old very quick is the over-hype and repetitiveness of ad hominem attacks. I answered the question of this diary below.


by SocialDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:44:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Untruthful Attacks & Broken Promises (2.00 / 1)

Thanks, but it's typical.  Go every where but what the story and truth is.

To actually see commenters try to joke that "oh yeah, a news flash, a Repub will attack a Dem", is very sad.  If that's truly all they can see from that, the joke will be on them.

Yes, lets not look at the issues.  Apparently End Justifies the means and they care not of any the tactics or back stepping on promises.  Missing the point on them, it will not be lost on the voters.  


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:07:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it's pretty (none / 0)

clear that this is a losing issue for McCain.  Considering he is after all being investigated.


by SocialDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:06:01 PM EST

Re: I think it's pretty (none / 0)

A losing issues for McCain?  What are you reading?  The part where Obama's politics of a different kind have been tossed out the window, or that his promises are as good as Jihad "My Mentor" Joe "I promise to bring the troops home as soon as possible" LIEberman.  

Or that Obama has now walked away from his promise for Public Finance and he's giving reasons as because he's receiving too much from voters...the ones he just screwed?  

Oh yeah,  my sides hurt from laughing of how much that hurts McCain.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:11:17 PM EST
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I agree that he shouldn't have made a (none / 0)

point of that promise.  But he does have a good argument in that his campaign is funded mostly by campaign finance-sized donations.  Whether or you think it is hypocritical you can't ignore that his campaign is small donor powered.

Yes, this is a losing issue for McCain. How can he claim the high ground and make an argument that he is the "new politics" when he broke the campaign finance law he helped to create? That to me is much more hypocritical considering Obama is largely funded by small donors anyways.

Like I said: This is a losing issue for McCain.


by SocialDem on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:15:55 PM EST
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Re: I think it's pretty (none / 0)

What do you call over a million average Americans donating an average of $90??  Sounds like his campaign is very good job with "public financing".


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:32:51 PM EST
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Re: money (none / 0)

Don't forget all those big bundlers from the oil and sub-prime mortgage industries.  You have a funny understanding of public financing.


by moevaughn on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:44:56 PM EST
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Re: money (2.00 / 1)

Oh sorry, I forgot about PAC Money

Barack Obama

PAC contributions      $0

Hillary Clinton

PAC contributions      $1,157,939


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:49:11 PM EST
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Re: money (none / 0)

Why do you keep leaving out the bundler money?


by moevaughn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:51:14 PM EST
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Re: money (none / 0)

Where'd ya go????


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:32:16 PM EST
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Re: I think it's pretty (none / 0)

Sorry, which voters did Obama just screw? You lost me there.


by jdusek on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:36:52 PM EST
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Skeptic (none / 0)

I hear some Clinton supporters lay claim to how strong Clinton is and how she will stand up to the GOP's attacks..But she sure isn't showing that against Obama since she is consistently playing the "victim" role in this primary, It has me wondering how her posture would change against the GOP attack machine.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:42:09 PM EST

Blah, blah, blah (none / 0)

So, you're on a Democratic website, posting a diary about how much baggage the current Democratic front runner may have in the general election?

These California delegate diaries on this site today are a joke.  They all cut down their delegates.  You are really gasping at straws here.

Do you really want our potential nominee to except public financing and give up millions in potential funds that can be used against McCain?  Remember, McCain?  The guy were up against.

Are you a really a Democrat?  

Pop quiz for you.  If Hillary doesn't get the nomination are you going to vote for McCain?

If Yes go post on Redstate.com

If No tone down the rhetoric and get behind the nominee, who ever it is.


by chewie5656 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:36:01 PM EST


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