Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton?

Hillary Clinton's campaign has struggled recently to present a credible way that she could win the Democratic presidential nomination, considering that Barack Obama leads her in the earned delegate count, the popular vote, and has pulled nearly even with her in the number of super-delegates who have committed themselves to his nomination.  Most observers say that only a miracle could bring her even to Barack Obama in the popular vote.

Now, Hillary Clinton's closest surrogates seem to be abandoning her efforts, effectively telling the news media that there is virtually now way that she can win.

(CNN) -- Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama -- a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania...She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."  CNN

By telling Clinton with specificity the circumstances under which they will abandon her campaign for Obama's, these super-delegates are telling Clinton what the parameters are for her to continue her campaign. As soon as it becomes evident that she cannot win the popular vote, she should get out of the race, even if that comes long before the last state has voted. She should get out of the race because even her most committed super-delegates are not going to support her, and so there's no point in her staying in.

When it becomes apparent that mountain climbers are hanging from a cliff and the only way to save some of them is one of them to cut herself loose, that's when courage takes hold. That's when the preserving the viable life of the team overcomes our own fear of our own inevitable demise, and then we do what needs to be done. We cut the cord for the greater good.

Hillary cannot win. She's in a void that she can't climb out if in this electoral cycle. It's time for Hillary to cut her cord to the 2008 nomination lest the entire team fall into the dark and unforgiving void.


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Like rats on a sinking ship (2.00 / 1)

of course they are - they want to back the winner before he is declared the winner.


by Flapper on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:07:06 PM EST

If The so called "democratic party" ... (none / 0)

nominates Obama - who IGNORES issues like THIS
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/l a-fi-healthinsure-sg,1,3627886.storygall ery

there will be hell to pay when people realize they have been HAD.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:38:43 PM EST
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bitter divisive primaries split the party... (2.00 / 1)

we already know this.  the difference is that barack can grow the party while hillary can only watch over it's demise...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:55:47 PM EST
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Isn't this last week news (none / 0)


by indus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:08:06 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (none / 0)

is that from today? they both said that like last week?

anways if PA keeps getting closer, then she wont have a chance at the popular vote. anyways if PA stays at 10 or under then it will basically be wiped out by NC. with probably a small net gain to Hillary.

so then it really falls to Indiana now.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:08:34 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

It's a strategic talking point, I'm sure.  They believe she's going to win the popular vote. Otherwise, they wouldn't say it.

Diary title is misleading, but good try.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:10:18 PM EST

Are you this desperate (2.00 / 1)

that you redrudge up old news?

No, Hillary is not, silly, they are making her case of why she should be the nominee.

AND, she is still gaining Super D's, not just official endorsements, like todays in Pitt.


by LindaSFNM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:15:34 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (none / 0)

Francis Holland, is that you?


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:17:36 PM EST

Wouldn't that be ironic? (2.00 / 1)

Francis L Holland, the biggest shill for Hillary back in the day, now turned against her.

Coincidentally, Francis was banned from MyDD back in the day for his paranoid rantings about Markos...


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:24:42 PM EST
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Re: Wouldn't that be ironic? (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, remember my Francis spanking over the CIA tin foil on Kos? That was funny stuff. I guess I should have piled on if I knew was gonna get banned from Naranjastan.

This above just reads like Francis, and has his formating fingerprints.

The funniest reverse shill so far in my own opinion was Anna Frank going from Pro-Edwards/Hillary=Satan to Pro-Hillary/Obama=Satan.

That shit is classic.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:29:50 PM EST
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I'm just amused (2.00 / 1)

because Francis wrote a total of three blog posts calling me out personally, real name no less, as being a white male supremacist because I opposed Clinton even a year ago.

Now I see in various places that he's picked up what I was saying way back when. Very funny.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:42:27 PM EST
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Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Old news and even then they are just talking using Clinton campaign talking points.

They believe she will win the popular vote otherwise they would not be talking about it. they are making her case with her blessing.


by americanincanada on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:22:01 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

How pathetic!!! Ddigging at the bottom of the garbage pail and trying to present this as news.


by alvic63 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:25:39 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (none / 0)

I feel like I'm in a time warp from two weeks ago.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:28:56 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

    It's just a jump to the left.
    And then a step to the right.
    Justifying your candidate's slip.
    You know this race is tight.
    But it's the dairy spinning
    That really makes this inane.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:32:38 PM EST
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Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Superdelegates are not abandoning Clinton. Next diary ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:35:53 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (none / 0)

And I thought lawyers were smarter and could read between the lines of SuperDs.


by Sandeep on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:36:34 PM EST

Popular vote (2.00 / 0)

The Clinton campaign is pushing the Popular vote narrative these days.  This is good news, and hopefully it spreads.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:55:48 PM EST

Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (2.00 / 0)

hillary picked up 3 SUPERS TODAY.

diary officially declared redundant.


by zane on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:58:47 PM EST

Yes. (none / 0)


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:00:20 PM EST

they are not "super" (none / 0)

delegates... they are called judas-delegates ;)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:31:55 PM EST

They aren't saying much (none / 0)

Do they include FL and MI votes in their totals.  Under that scenario, with a good showing in PA followed by big wins in KY and WV, a win in IN, offset some by a loss in NC, she could be right where she needs to be.  So the definition of popular vote becomes important.


by activatedbybush on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:33:56 PM EST

Re: They aren't saying much (none / 0)

Yes but do the numbers include the votes from the caucu's ?
by lion king on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
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They should (none / 0)


by activatedbybush on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:06:55 AM EST
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Re: Are Super-Delegates Abandoning Clinton? (none / 0)

Unfortunatley, you missed the other articles today that showed Hillary picking up 3 undecided SD's.

Thanks for the daily HILLARY SHOULD DROP OUT RARRR post, though :)


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:51:03 PM EST


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