Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Down his E-mail Server

Cross posted at No Quarter

As I wrote yesterday, Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter's office was flooded with angry calls from Obama supporters after he came out in support of Hillary. Some people doubted my statements but those that bothered to call Mayor Nutter's office confirmed everything that was written. But, as Hyper Educated Uppity Woman reports, his e-mail server was overwhelmed and had to be taken down.

I'll let her describe the well deserved contempt so many of us have.

As part of NoQuarter's encouragement campaign, many readers emailed Mayor Nutter in support of his courage under harrassment. His email was returned by Mailer Daemon. The poor guy had to shut down his email address, so you can just imagine how badly he was harrassed by these savages. My God, these people are fear mongers and race baiters. What's next? Coming to your home and beating the crap out of you? Lining us up and shooting us dead until there are no more Hillary voters left?

We all know how passionate those Obama cultists can be. And they have the Obamedia wrapped around their scrawny little fingers. So we cannot back down, however often they threaten us. We represent the heart and soul of the Democratic party. They represent the far left wing radical wing of the Democratic party. Yet they are so determined to take over the party that they aren't afraid to destroy the party if they can't.

This is the time to come together and gather up whatever hidden strength you have. Because the next few months are going to be a tough battle. Expect the worst and prepare to fight back with everything you have.

I give Hillary Clinton a lot of credit for doing the right thing during all this fear-mongering. She is surrounded by party cowards who have even helped Obama blame her every time he is in trouble. Reverend Wright is even her fault. This is downright surreal!

My personal thanks to Hyper Educated Uppity Woman. And an extended thanks from everyone at No Quarter. Let her example be a guiding light for the battle onward.

As she says so eloquently:

Give me the "Politics of the Past" any day of the week. At least I felt safe. Barack Obama is like a frightful nightmare upon America. I'm even afraid to publish this post. Where did America go? I thought George Bush was frightening. He is comfort next to the fear being generated right now.

....Shiver....

For more information on Mayor Michael Nutter please visit:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/31/ the-courage-of-your-convictions/
(with phone number for Mayor Nutter + his e-mail address, which no longer works)

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/29/ history-doesnt-pay-the-bills/
(with the story of his endorsement and a video of Mayor Nutter)



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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 3)

Oh stop with your silly vitriol.  Each candidate's supporters do and say some stupid crap, as any reader of this site will know.  It's not help to somehow impugn Obama due to the over-enthusiasm of some of his supporters.


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:11:25 PM EST

Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 5)

I suppose your obama buddies' discourteous (to say the least -- I'm being polite) booing of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee was just more "over entusiasm of some of his supporters."  


by moevaughn on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:53:09 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 4)

They have different standards. Anything goes with them. We are the only ones that are held to any standard.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:04:21 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 1)

Exactly the same standards the GOP has applied during recent elections. Coincidence or Conspiracy?


by LakersFan on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:36:01 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 1)

EXACTLY!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:13:10 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, and here's footage of Barack disguised as a balding, middle, aged, white man and using the alias "Florida Senate Democratic minority leader Steven Geller". All of it was an elaborate ruse to use his powers of evil that he exerts over all of the government on both Florida and Michigan so that he could single handedly disenfranchise the voters of Florida:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHuQi17E aE

You clinton supporters are so sure that it's all Obama's doing in Florida and Michigan.  Now they are engaged in horrible misbehavior because they called their elected official for a redress of grievances.  Oh the horror.

You guys really.  This is sad.  I am beginning to get embarrassed FOR you.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:22:07 PM EST
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Stop being silly. (2.00 / 0)

Both camps have serious a-holes. People like you just enflame the hatred. Same with some of the a-holes over at dKos.

It's remarkable to me that so many people in either camp act as if their side is pure and the other is pure evil. As someone who was undecided for a long time I can say without any doubt that the a-holes in Obama's camp are exactly as disgusting as the a-holes in Clinton's camp.

They all suck and are intent on destroying the party because your too friggin childish for our own good.


by Mike S on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (none / 0)

You are held to a different standard.  You, apparently, are allowed to have email campaign; if we do it, we're savages.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:33:09 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 0)

I found it similar to the excoriation of Senator Kennedy by Clinton supporters the day of and days after his endorsement of Obama...  I have never heard Chappaquiddick mentioned so often by non-Republicans...

As to the name-calling in this diary...  GMAB.  We could certainly use less of that on all sides around here.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:05:56 PM EST
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Re: O Supporters (2.00 / 0)

So he got too many e-mail?

The horror!  What will citizens do next?!!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:04:54 PM EST
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BoogerFlickers Latest Hysterics (2.00 / 1)

....so you can just imagine how badly he was harrassed by these savages. My God, these people are fear mongers and race baiters. What's next? Coming to your home and beating the crap out of you? Lining us up and shooting us dead until there are no more Hillary voters left?

Wow, talk about hysterics!
Who knew that SAVAGES knew how to use email?
And yes, that is the next obvious step....shooting people and beating the crap out of them generally is the follow-up to email. Right.


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:33:13 PM EST
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Re: BoogerFlickers Latest Hysterics (none / 0)

"Savages" is a term used to dehumanize people, and was used by white colonial powers to describe the poor benighted brown folks.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:16:47 PM EST
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They were booing "Hillary Clinton" (2.00 / 0)

The booing started as soon as Lee mentioned Clinton's name. Since Lee represents a district that went overwhelmingly for Obama, what did you expect them to do? Throw flowers? Lavish praise on the official they elected who endorsed a candidate other than their own? If you can't form something that sounds like a reasonable argument, then don't bother offering anything at all. You've added nothing to the dialogue.


by bookish on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:34:54 PM EST
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This is quite silly. (2.00 / 1)

They represent the far left wing radical wing of the Democratic party.

More red baiting and what's funny is that Obama is a centrist.

It's Clinton with the "socialistic" health care plan AND THAT IS GOOD!

If Obama is left wing, we're in trouble.  He is far too centrist.

Maybe left wing compared to McCain, but so is Clinton:

Mrs. Clinton, we're assured by sources right and left, tortures puppies and eats babies. But her policy proposals continue to be surprisingly bold and progressive.

Finally, Mr. Obama is widely portrayed, not least by himself, as a transformational figure who will usher in a new era. But his actual policy proposals, though liberal, tend to be cautious and relatively orthodox.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/opinio n/28krugman.html


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:33:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (none / 0)

I agree,neither site reports any verifiable, independent evidence that Nutter's e-mail server was shut down by what you so elegantly call the "cultists" and "savages" who support Obama.

Maybe Nutter just can't handle being criticized. Maybe Nutter's IT department doesn't know how to set up an e-mail server. Maybe Nutter's a cultist,  savage Clinton supporter trying to generate a press smear against Obama.

Stop the echo chamber of quoting one blog, that quotes another that quotes the first. Its the main reason anyone with any intelligence doesn't watch Faux News.

Focus your fire (with reputable sources please) against McCain. He's the standard bearer of the party that has been hell bent on destroying everything good our nation stands for.


by BeekerDynasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:54:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 10)

It's consistently been about shouting down any opposing voice.

Must be in the audacity or something.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:11:38 PM EST

The Audacity of Calling n/t (2.00 / 2)


Re-elect the President in 2012
by DemAC on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:22:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 4)

That sounds about right. But audacity implies truthfulness so it isn't exactly accurate.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:42:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 2)

Okay, we are stupid, we are racist, we drink the hallucinatory Kool-Aid, we are too liberal, we race bait, we are sexist, we are too conservative, we are fascists, we are thugs, we don't ever look at the substance of a debate only style, we strong arm everyone who does not believe us, we never talk facts, we are losers who do not get what America needs, etc. etc.  All of this and more has been thrown at Obama supporters on this site, and by implication his voters.  You must have a very very low opinion of the democratic process to imagine the whole bunch of us, from your party, being so totally taken in by a candidacy that is both a piece of fluff and so virulently destructive.

I have never engaged in the kind of namecalling some of Clinton's and some of Obama's supporters do on this site.  I do not troll rate either because I do not like the content of a post.  We actually are all in this together which may require both developing a thicker skin on all sides, and the abiliity to respect the intelligence and intent of those on the "other side."  Trust me, it is no easier being slammed by Hillary's supporters than by Barack's.  If the slamming is not on the issues but is personal, it doesn't belong here or anywhere.  


by mady on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:22:58 PM EST
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what happens when people throw money at a... (none / 0)

"problem"..

The Obama campaign has a lot of money right now.. my gut feeling is that a lot of the people who post spin here are being paid to do it..


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:38:48 PM EST
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Re: what happens when people throw money at a... (none / 0)

Thank you for adding "paid shills" to Mady's list.

Any more insults you want to pour on?  We can take it.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:09:36 AM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 7)

I give Hillary Clinton a lot of credit for doing the right thing during all this fear-mongering. She is surrounded by party cowards who have even helped Obama blame her every time he is in trouble. Reverend Wright is even her fault. This is downright surreal!

Everything is Hillary's fault. Did you know that she's responsible for Satanism, global warming, and the insipid Teletubbies phenomenon?

Also, she's a communist. Yes, that's right. A communist who's married to McCarthy. (How ironic!)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:15:51 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 3)

Hillaryous!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:45:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 1)

I'm looking at the amount of troll rating going on, mostly at Clinton supporters on this thread.  Number ratings are not a way to express a point of view, that's what words are for.  Number ratings are for egregious lapses into personal criticism and true malevolence, not snark or non personal sarcasm.  Can you folks watch where you put your numerals.


by mady on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:17:30 PM EST
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To clarify (2.00 / 1)

Troll rating that is mostly directed AT Clinton supporters in this particular thread.


by mady on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:24:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (none / 0)

Thank you!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:49:49 PM EST
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Flea (none / 0)

BTW, good diary.  It really shows that we are different than they are.


by cpa1a on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:11:59 PM EST
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People exercising their 1st amendment (2.00 / 0)

rights of petition. Teh horror!


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:16:23 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters (2.00 / 12)

Really i did catch HRC supporterss booing anyone at any events.

My favorate story is some dumbass at dkos emailed my boss demanding i be fired for posting on that blog.  I guess Congressman Lewis was kidding when he said he was getting phone calls demandeing he change his support.  PEASE.

Just once i wish BO supporters would take some responsibility for their actions.

davdi


by giusd on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:16:40 PM EST

African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 0)

a race-baiting campaign, same as Jewish voters didn't react positively to George Bush's 1992 "F*#k the Jews. They don't vote for us anyway" campaign, GLBT voters didn't react positively to Rick Santorum's "Stop the gays from f*#king" campaign, Latino voters don't react positively to Jim Gilchrist's "Stop the brown invasion!" campaign, South Asian [and frankly, non-racist voters in general] didn't react positively to George Allen's campaign ...  


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:22:32 PM EST
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Re: African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 1)

And yet African-Americans voters seem to support Obama in impressive numbers.

Very odd then.


Re-elect the President in 2012
by DemAC on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:24:39 PM EST
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Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (2.00 / 0)


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:25:34 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (2.00 / 8)

You do realize that if your candidate gets the nomination, you have to convince Clinton supporter who know quite well that she would never and has never, engaged in race baiting to vote for Obmaa, right? And accusing someone of racism who isn't racist isn't a good way to get their votes.

You guys need to start watching your rhetoric. If you win this nomination, all the chickens will come to home to roost. Clinton biggest support comes from die hard, blue state Democrats and those Dems are telling pollsters they won't vote for Obama.

Think twice before you accuse Clinton of racism. It just steals Democratic hearts and minds against Obama.


by Little Otter on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:48:56 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (2.00 / 3)

Excellent points. I am not sure they grasp the significance of what you say.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:24:05 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (2.00 / 2)

They don't get it. You know how frat boys will have great fun demeaning some girl and then are shocked when they found out she wasn't having as much fun as they were? That's what's gonna happen here. If he gets the nomination, they're gonna wake up and discover Hillary supporters took all their shit seriously, and they're fuck out of luck when it comes to blue state Dems.


by Little Otter on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
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Childish Attitudes= McCain Presidency (2.00 / 0)

Oh it's pretty obvious what you are saying. It's not much more than "taking your ball and going home" when you don't get your way. And blaming it on some guy on the internet. Very sophisticated and mature.


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:08:02 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (2.00 / 0)

No, we don't have to convince Clinton supporters of anything. A Clinton supporter with two functional brain cells will realize that Obama is not the devil, is basically aligned on major issues with their own candidate, and has no reason to allow the opposition candidate to send more soldiers to their deaths or conservative judges to the Supreme Court. They won't want a further erosion of their civil rights, they won't want the economy to claim the dreams of millions of American families and they won't want their childrens' futures mortgaged out to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

I could take this thread out to an infinite and logical conclusion, but I don't have to because, despite your hyperbole, I believe you have at least two functional brain cells.


by bookish on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:43:00 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (none / 0)

I think you mean "steels" ( hearts and minds), although your version is kinda funny.


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:37:07 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (none / 0)

Yes, it seems many activists in the Democratic party are engaged in a civil war, the likes of which I've never seen.  


by JFK464 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:38:53 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (none / 0)

Accusing men and women... progressives all, that they have been engaging in sexism at every turn because they criticized Hillary is not a good way to garner support for her either... and yet, here we are.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:50:28 PM EST
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Ament (none / 0)

well put.


by chieflytrue on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:04:52 PM EST
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Re: Well, yeah, he's the one who's been baited. (none / 0)

Either vote your interests or don't.

I'm not going to waste much time trying to convince people that when you're drowning, swim up.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:14:07 AM EST
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Re: Nah, I think he is the one doing the baiting.. (2.00 / 4)

And as his campaign and campaign task masters continue to do, drop the hint, then say..."who me?"

Who me, use a Republican attack ad?  Oh, that's just part of politics.

Who me, use my national co-chair to use his own ethnicity to force superdelegates to change allegiance under pressure?  Well, all's fair in an election.

Who me, I want to disenfranchise voters in FL & MI?  Nah, because I lost they dont need to count cause I could lose the election.  That wouldn't be fair.

The only one's who have taken the bait are his supporters and the MSM.  Hook...line...and sinker.


One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present.
by TxDem08 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:12:37 PM EST
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Re: Nah, I think he is the one doing the baiting.. (2.00 / 0)

Clinton and her supporters lost the right to use the disenfranchise voters argument after last weekend's Texas conventions. After watching the ethnic minorities in my precinct and several others surrounding our own have to endure hours of credentialing because they'd been challenged by her campaign, only to uniformly be seated, there is no high ground in that argument.

And those voters in FL and MI were disenfranchised by their own elected officials, so blaming Obama is straight-up ignorant bullshit.


by bookish on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST
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Re: Nah, I think he is the one doing the baiting.. (none / 0)

Actually they lost that right long ago when THEIR CHIEF STRATEGIST, Harold Ickes, was the guy who voted to strip Florida and Michigan in the first place.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:43:00 PM EST
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Re: Nah, I think he is the one doing the baiting.. (none / 0)

Actually, they never had the right because we were never disenfranchised...  We showed up and voted...  our votes counted in every race but one... therefore, by definition, we were not disenfranchised...  oh, and we can vote in the general...  


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:52:31 PM EST
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You can argue against your vote (none / 0)

counting, but you can't argue against mine.

It's called disenfranchising when you keep another person's vote from counting.  Even George Bush counted the votes.  He just didn't want a recount.

In this CLOSE election, Obama won't agree to work out the votes for 2 states unless he doesn't need them?

Again, does Obama know he will not win a general if he disenfranchises FL and MI?

The great purple state of FL-- ready to go for any Democrat by 20 points until Chairman Dean and Obama's stupidity.  "Punish" them.  Them?  Them is 2 states.  Voters didn't do anything wrong.

Want to talk irony...Obama was all over the place arguing against disenfranchising the Culinary Union in NV!  Before.  


by chieflytrue on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:13:52 PM EST
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Re: You can argue against your vote (none / 0)

Again, this is Obama's fault how?  It was a Clinton aide that voted to strip the delegates in the first place.  Then Hillary Clinton, along with every major candidate, promised to neither campaign nor participate in either primary.

At that point, the candidates, the national party, and the state party were in total agreement: no delegates from Florida.

Since this hasn't turned out to be the blowout Hillary Clinton was expecting, it turns out she needs every delegate she can get.  The first suggested solution was a caucus, as that's the historical precedent.  Clinton rejected it.

The second suggested solution was a mail-in vote.  Both Obama's national co-chair, Robert Wexler, and Clinton's national co-chair, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, rejected it.

So here we are.  I don't think Clinton wants a revote as much as she wants to demagogue the issue, since she hasn't offered any solution or accepted any compromise.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:19:53 AM EST
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Re: You can argue against your vote (none / 0)

Voters in both states put into power the very people that are to blame for this mess...  the state leaders.  That's it.  

And I can argue it... and I will... disenfranchisement is the WRONG word to be using about this.  People may get disenfranchised for real in the country this year...  I would like to word to still have meaning.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:03:09 PM EST
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Re: African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 3)

I was going to mention the irony of it all but you did a much better job of it.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:46:35 PM EST
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Re: African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 1)

Thank you. I find the whole thing Hillaryous.


Re-elect the President in 2012
by DemAC on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:50:13 PM EST
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Re: African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 5)

Then perhaps Obama supporters and surrogates shouldn't have sifted through every syllable uttered by anyone even remotely associated with the Clinton campaign in an effort to find something, anything, even a 'fairy tale' to paint as 'racist'.

The card was played, but by Obama to his advantage.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:01:34 PM EST
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Re: African-Americans don't react positively to (2.00 / 3)

All too true. And all the lies in the world won't change that fact.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:05:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 2)

I liking it to the way Bill Richardson has been treated.
I don't see Carville apolozing to Bill Richardson for calling him 'Judas'. He should apolizge for that offensive statement.

Jim Neal stuns James Carville into silence at NC Young Democrats event
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/01/ jim-neal-stuns-james-carville-into-silen ce-at-nc-young-democrats-event/


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:17:07 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (none / 0)

I call BS.  Anyone who knows Carville (and I personally hate him), knows all too well that 1.)He never backs down from a fight, 2.)He wouldn't let a comment like that lie at his feet, 3.)He can't help himself and even if he wanted to he would blast Jim Neal to smitherens and just let the pieces lie where they fall, and no one would do anything substantive about it, because it's Jim Neal.


One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present.
by TxDem08 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:22:39 PM EST
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Hilarious (2.00 / 0)

I've heard people complain that Obama was a Republican in Democrat's clothing; I've heard people say that he wasn't liberal enough; now that he's too liberal! Which is it?


by highgrade on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:18:41 PM EST

Good question -- I'm (none / 0)

really finding it so strange that Obama seemed to be a postracial moderate originally (to me) and now the pastor and the questionnaire are just shocking to me.  

The Audacity of Hope guy is a Farrakhan instead of a Joel Osteen?  Biggest shock ever.  

Now Obama's political makeup is a total mystery.  He benefited so much from freshness and newness.  I think that these enormous earthquakes of difference are disconcerting for me.

I was arguing against a totally different person 2 weeks ago.  And Obama supporters have TOTALLY different arguments about who he is too which is equally bizarre.

I understand political positioning and pandering, but with Obama I feel like I'm looking at a totally different person today as 2 weeks ago.

Mystery is great in art, I really do think it's a huge problem with a Presidential candidate.  

George Bush once said about John Kerry "I can beat him because he doesn't know who he is."

With Kerry I voted against Bush almost without worrying about that.  But Obama's shapeshifting before my eyes is like a gift to the Right.


by chieflytrue on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:30:24 PM EST
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NoQuarter? (2.00 / 2)

Oh come on.  LC Johnson's blog?  At least RedState is up front about its bigotry and motivations.

Desperation certainly breeds creativity.  I'll say that for you.


by McNasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:23:12 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 0)

Why is it wrong to call someone to tell them you disagree with his/her endorsement, yet perfectly acceptable to tell them you DO agree, as some on here have called on others to do in this instance?


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:25:12 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 5)

Or Tavis Smiley. He said he received death threats.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:44:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 2)

Wow...you mean to tell me that in this country of 300 million people we might have some crazies?!?!

Let's use those nutcases to paint all Obama supporters with a wide brush...whadaya say!


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:50:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 0)

Hey, we're just waiting for the chance to gun them all down.  The diarist and its ilk are on to us. Just read this wonderful, helpful bit of prose and you will see email leads directly to murder.


Take your fear and shove it, it ain't workin' on us no more.
by Quicklund on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:58:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 3)

Honestly... A diary about people being angry at their elected representative and emailing him about it?  The horror!

Are you really getting angry that people tried to contact their representative and tell him they disagreed?  If you look, people supporting him are also asked to email him and let him know.  Do you think maybe, just maybe, he has a crap email server and it simply couldn't handle a bunch of constituents letting him know what they think?

Of course not!  It's that nefarious Obama and his cult!  They would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you darn kids!


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:26:05 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

Well said!


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:44:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 1)

And yet... despite the name-calling (Obama-cultists, scrawny fingers) and shark-jumping ("I thought George Bush was scary... but now, even HE seems safe")... somehow by the magical forces of whatever, this diary ends up on the recommend list?

And people probably wonder why most of my posts begin with a line about vitriol working both ways.  And that Clinton supporters are no more angelic or virtuous than Obama supporters.

Sheesh.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:34:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well,,, (2.00 / 3)

Interesting Language in the excerpted post: "savages".  Nice.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:31:25 PM EST

The Obamabots have been swarming here, too. (2.00 / 9)

They really are unbelievable, aren't they?  

Fortunatley I just get a good laugh from them - but pity the poor mayor who says what he believes and whom the Constitution supports in his right to do so.


by Shazone on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:35:35 PM EST

Re: The Obamabots have been swarming here, too. (2.00 / 4)

Swarm is the right word for it. That's for certain.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:47:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Obamabots have been swarming here, too. (2.00 / 0)

ummm.. meaning...?  Seriously, I have no idea why "swarm" is an appropriate word...  

Of course, I don't find Clintonistas appropriate nor Obamabots either, so it's probably just me.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

where all this anger and hate is coming from.  It is coming from Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Jeremiah Wright.  Obama told his supporters that they will probably not support Hillary so they are out to destroy her, as they are just stupid kids.  Obama told his supporters that even Ronald Reagan and his Republicans were better for the country than the Clintons.  These kids who support Obama were 2 and 3 years old when Bill Clinton took office, so they are depending on him to tell the truth.  Too bad he doesn't.

However, the worst thing Obama did was to tell his supporters that anything goes, even inventing racial slurs even lying about Reagan, even pitting seniors against his juniors by blaming them for getting old and needing medical attention and preventing two states from having their votes count.

Therein is the problem with Barack Obama.  He is a liar and as sneaky and as disingenuous as they come.  He is encircled by the likes of Jeremiah Wright and Michelle Obama.

I have no problems with his ideas, his race or his Muslim ancestry.  I just don't trust the guy and as a politician he represents one of the worst I've seen when it comes to hypocrisy and deception.  So, when I say I'll vote for McCain without the re-votes, I really don't have a lot of problems with it and neither do a lot of Democrats who see what Obama does and who can see how incredibly useless the media is.  They are afraid to attack him and he is using that, maybe with the advice of Wright, to keep them off his ass and on Hillary's.

There is a lot at stake here and Dean better get his shit together because he will be blamed for the loss in November for allowing the party to fall apart because of phony allegations, deceit and a conspiracy to cut Hillary off at the knees.


by cpa1a on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:34:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

Very good points. All of them.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:19:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

I can tell that you are really, really angry.  Yet you are angry at things that didn't happen.

Obama never said that Reagan was better for the country than the Clintons. Never said it.

Obama never said that anything goes. Never said it.

I hope you take some time and really examine the record calmly because these things are just not true.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:21:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What grievances? (none / 0)

The right to petition is the freedom of individuals (and sometimes groups and corporations) to petition their government for a correction or repair of some form of injustice without fear of punishment for the same.

Of what grievances do you speak?  This is a mayor of a major city, which has historically been a strong ally of the Clintons, who decided to endorse Hillary Clinton.

What injustice or grievance is there to petition?

Please.  Be reasonable.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:44:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its interesting how the edwards story doesn't even (2.00 / 1)

faze them..

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/1/21151 5/7480

Its quite possible that the overload was unintentional. though..

Nutters mail spool was probably overloaded.. too much email too quick..


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:44:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ach, sorry (none / 0)

I replied to the wrong comment.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:45:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ach, sorry (none / 0)

Even in the right location your reply is wrong.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:19:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

He really really did (none / 0)

and even Howard Dean confirmed it by saying that if that is what he thinks he should be free to say it and he even alluded to his wife saying the same thing after watching the interview that started all this.

Go find the Reno Gazette interview with Obama at the Reno Gazette editorial board.  It's a video you can Google.  It is a fascinating look at how utterly conniving and delusional Obama is.

Funny thing is, it was all unnecessary if he would have just waited and established himself without having to savage Hillary with lies and and charges of race baiting.  

The choice was his.  Connive and damage the Clintons to get the nomination this year or take the VP now or just wait for 2012 or 2016.  He made his deal with the devil and now he will be on the bad end of all this, either at Hillary's hand or McCain's.  He had a brilliant future that I am afraid will be gone, like George Allen is gone.


by cpa1a on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:48:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He really really did (none / 0)

Look around you and assess again who's future is gone.  It's your hysterical serial liar and her out of touch supporters who are out of their minds with rage at being beaten fair and square.  

Obama is winning.  Hilary is losing and her behavior is crushing her fav/unfav numbers.  That is not just my opinion. That's right out there for anyone to see.  It turns out that outside of the world you've made up in your head; here in the real world, Hilary is going to come out of this as the villain.  

If she'd have had the class or sense to drop out once she was defeated she could have run again later.  She has instead gone with the kitchen sink and a series of whopper lies.  She is perceived as irrational and hurting the party.  She will never again be a serious candidate for the nomination because of it.  That's because she is shrill and proved to be without the class to do what's in the party's best interest and loose gracefully.  Observers (even outside of the party) are saying that she is more loyal to her ambition/ego than to the party and its agenda.  She has just put bricks and cement into her own glass ceiling and she deserves it.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:31:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

If you seriously stand by your statement above that Obama supporters are "just stupid kids"... then I think you have just painted yourself into the master of stupidity corner.

That and your above diatribe may have occurred in your mind, but it did not in reality.

And if you say that you will voe for McCain without the revotes (assuming you are talking about Michigan and Florida), I will call you a bad Democrat.

A conspiracy to "cut Clinton off at the knees..."?  Are you hiding under your bed right now shaking?  This has been a far more civil campaign than the general will be...  well, it has been civil outside the blogosphere anyway....


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:58:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Elizabeth and John Edwards.. (2.00 / 1)

basically feel the same way.. they just are being polite.. and not advertising it too much..

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/1/21151 5/7480


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:46:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Elizabeth and John Edwards.. (none / 0)

I just finally read your diary. Great stuff!


by Fleaflicker on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:45:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

The media is afraid to attack Obama? WTF?

Where were you for the solid weeks of Wright smears, exaggerations, race-baiting and name-calling?

Were you awake?


by cal2008 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:20:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You hit the nail on the head there. (none / 0)

Å LOT of people are afraid to attack him.   Any idea why?


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:45:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is Important to realize is (none / 0)

That's an incredibly bizarre take on an electability argument, which both candidates make every day.

I'm sure you've heard by now that Ed Rendell, Geraldine Ferraro, and Hillary Clinton herself (if Mark Halperin's report is correct) that she's more electable because it's hard for black people to get elected in Pennsylvania.

To put it bluntly, "I'll get his black voters.  He may not get my white ones".

Nevertheless, here we are, grinning through it all, and saying that we'll vote for her if she's the nominee.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:29:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Obamabots have been swarming here, too. (2.00 / 0)

Speaking of the Constitution have you ever heard of the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances?  How is it that you can be so far from anything approaching reality, honesty, or democracy every time you have anything to say Shazone?

Have you actually read the constitution?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:52:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What grievances? (none / 0)

The right to petition is the freedom of individuals (and sometimes groups and corporations) to petition their government for a correction or repair of some form of injustice without fear of punishment for the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_pe tition

Of what grievances do you speak?  This is a mayor of a major city, which has historically been a strong ally of the Clintons, who decided to endorse Hillary Clinton.

What injustice or grievance is there to petition?

Please.  Be reasonable.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:49:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What grievances? (none / 0)

You're right.  It's totally unreasonable for the people who put an elected official into office to then call or email that official with concerns about what he's doing with that office.  That sounds way to much like representative government.  We don't need any of that.  Next thing you know you might have people paying attention to what's going on in government and maybe even holding their officials accountable for their choices and shit.  We all know that's a slippery slope.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:27:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What grievances? (none / 0)

Where's the grievance or injustice though?

You talked about grievances not concerns.  Of course they have the right to express their opinions.  That's a whole lot different than an injustice.


by joanneleon on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:29:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What grievances? (none / 0)

"Grievance" is a constitutional phrase.  "Injustices" is just something that you pulled out of nowhere.

But at least you're conceding the point.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:32:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What grievances? (none / 0)

The word is grievance.  That's the standard.  

Still if you're looking for an injustice I would say that voting to put a person in office who is then supposed to represent you, but chooses to turn around and oppose your best interests by endorsing some DLC republican light serial liar who wants to stretch out the nomination process even though she cannot win and thereby increase the odds that the republican wins... well that's not so just.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:16:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Save it. We all know exactly what (2.00 / 1)

you and the rest of the Obama people would be saying if Bill Richardson's, Ted Kennedy's, or John Kerry's offices were flooded with hateful calls and emails from cClinton supporters.  Grow up.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:43:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Save it. We all know exactly what (none / 0)

That assumes facts not in evidence.  Your statement is entirely without merit.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:11:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

DailyKos is like a convention of Idiot Savants (none / 0)

That's why the decent ones are coming here.  At least here there is debate instead of a lovefest for a guy who is pretty dirty.  Over there, they will do anything for Obama, like reporting how many Ob's are in the Chicago telephone book.

There are still lots of good people over there but they are so blind at what Obama is doing and they instantly reject any glimmer of a thought that this guy is a hypocrite.

They are blinded by his charisma.


by cpa1a on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:47:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DailyKos is like a convention of Idiot Savant (none / 0)

And over here, some of the Clinton supporters are blinded by what?


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:00:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DailyKos is like a convention of Idiot Savant (none / 0)

not charisma


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:28:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DailyKos is like a convention of Idiot Savant (none / 0)

Since the idiot savants are crushing your side, what's that make you?  Aside from a loser I mean.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:36:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor (2.00 / 2)

Ain't that the truth!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:43:26 PM EST

You accuse Democrats of planning MURDER (2.00 / 0)

An email capain means Obama supporters are planning murders. That's what it says in your diary, comes next.

I mean rhetoric is thetoric but this is beyonf the pale.  This is garbage of the most vile variety.  Yet somehow the admins leave this vile piece of garbage on public display.


Take your fear and shove it, it ain't workin' on us no more.
by Quicklund on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:44:38 PM EST

Obama thugs (2.00 / 3)

I share the growing feeling that Obamites are no less dangerous to our country than Bushies.  I had always presumed the Democratic party was devoid of the sort of thoughtlessness that I saw in many diehard Bush fans.  But now I see this is not a Republican quality; it's an American quality.


by bobbank on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:46:56 PM EST

Tell us about Republican qualities. (1.50 / 2)

You clearly know what you're talking about.


by McNasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:48:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama thugs (2.00 / 2)

First off... thugs is not appropriate, but especially not as a blanket statement.... secondly, if you think ANY Democrat is scarier than GWB and company, then you desperately need to start paying attention.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:37:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Thugs" is a very good description (2.00 / 1)

of the behavior by pro-Obama supporters at dailykos, something most of us have seen first hand.  It is thuggish.  

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to draw the connection between dkos, Geraldine Ferraro, John Lewis, Tavis Smiley, and Mayor Nutter.  In fact, it pretty much draws itself.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:39:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Thugs" is a very good description (none / 0)

another blanket statement that I can easily refute...  you refer to pro-Obama supporters on DKos...  I have conversed with many of them and there are quite a few who do not even approach the word thuggish.  There are some who are brusque when baited, but still not thuggish either.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:10:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here comes the purge. (2.00 / 3)

Jerome just "disappeared" Bob Johnson for his #1 recommended diary.  An inflammatory title, but well-reasoned content unfortunately.

Censorship is the last refuge of cowards.  I'm sure you'll be hearing a lot less from Obama supporters around here now.  Just don't mistake that for actual silence.


by McNasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:48:06 PM EST

Re: Here comes the purge. (2.00 / 1)

Hmmm, it would appear I lost my ability to rate comments.

I guess I should just be happy I still have an account.

 


by bawbie on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:01:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here comes the purge. (2.00 / 0)

The whole rating system is an invitation to abuse and retribution.

It means nothing.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:42:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here comes the purge. (2.00 / 0)

I've lost the ability to rate comments as well.

Anyone know what's up?


by jdusek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:44:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here comes the purge. (2.00 / 3)

Well, that took about 8 hours longer than it should have.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:07:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here comes the purge. (1.00 / 0)

I agree with you believe it or not. I just had one of my diaries disappeared entirely too. See, it's possible that we can agree on some things.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:07:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Should have known (none / 0)

you didn't have the decency to delete that crap yourself.


by Bee on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:52:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pity the poor mayor's (2.00 / 1)

IT department. Shutting down a major city's email server because of high traffic speaks poorly of the Mayor's executive office. This is Philadelphia you know, they should be able to handle it.


by JoeCoaster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:48:17 PM EST

Yeah, except it didn't happen. (2.00 / 2)

No server was shut down.  He didn't like the criticism, and closed his current email address.  The cyber equivalent of putting one's fingers in one's ears.

No ISP was involved, and no server was "shut down."  The original source has no technical details (nor knowledge, clearly).


by McNasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:51:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeah, except it didn't happen. (2.00 / 4)

Well, so much for Nutter being a 'Profile in Courage '. His Hillary endorsement must have had more to do with this.

"If I ask a county executive to be for Sen. Clinton, he's got to think of two things," Rendell said. "One, does he want to be for Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama? And two, does he want to tick off the governor who's responsible for sending a lot of funding into his county?" - Gov. Rendell
Chicago Tribune - Clinton relies on a Maverick


by JoeCoaster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:10:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeah, except it didn't happen. (none / 0)

I saw that too, but thanks for the link.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:36:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey, wait a minute. (2.00 / 0)

Where's the "APRIL FOOLS!"?


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:56:59 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 4)

Let me get this straight:

a) You posted Nutter's email address and asked people to contact him.

b) Supporters of both Clinton and Obama emailed Nutter.

c) Nutter's email server was overwhelmed and had to be shut down.

How do you know that the emails from Obama supporters were responsible for the shut down? Is it not just as likely that the deluge of pro-Clinton emails are to blame?

It sounds like your plan to get people to contact Nutter worked too well and his email system couldn't handle the volume. Don't go blaming Obama supporters for the unintended consequences of your actions.


by jdusek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:05:37 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (1.00 / 3)

Hush with your facts and logic, the aging baby boomers will not be able to comprehend what you are saying!


My dream is Hillary will sponser a joint resolution to authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces against Trinity Church
by denounceandreject on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:13:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

"Aging baby boomers."

I'm one. For Obama. Be respectful.  You don't call people out on age, you know?


by mady on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:31:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

"Obama cultists?"

You mean, "Democrats."


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:29:14 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

You know, I said yesterday, when I called they said they were getting more feedback from Clinton supporters than Obama supporters... why do you think it was the Obama people that shut things down?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:31:53 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

HMMM...I'll venture a wild guess and say that it would be awkward to admit that the server was overloaded by "positive" email.


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:53:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Because they did it to Geraldine (2.00 / 1)

Ferraro, because they TALK about doing stuff like that, right out in the open at dkos, because they're so very proud of their "viral" approach to politics.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:13:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Because they did it to Geraldine (none / 0)

Viral just means spread rapidly through the internet.  As usual, you Hilary folks are ill-informed and decide to just default into making some negative shit up about the Obama campaign.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:44:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 3)

Why I'm not surprise.

John Lewis got dead threat. Shirley got booed at TX convention.
Now Mayer Nutter.  

Even Obama himself called Ed Rendell told him not to create problem.

So I'm not surprise.


by JoeySky18 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:04:00 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

Richardson got compared to Judas...

Sen. Kennedy got annihilated both in blogs and by NYS NOW.

I'm sure there are other examples...  see, a lot of these things work both ways.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:16:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 3)

And yet none of those people got threatened. Tavis Smiley's mother and brother got threatening phone calls after Tavis called Obama out. Lewis got "harassing" phone calls as some Obama supporter gave out his home phone number. Obama told Rendell not to create problems. Jesse Jackson Jr. threatened election officials with primary threats.

And you're complaining about people saying angry things about Kennedy on blogs? Where are the threats? Whose elderly mother has gotten threatedened.  by Clinton supporters?

It's not equal. The thuggery is all from the Obama camp.


by Little Otter on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:54:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (none / 0)

Pretty soon you won't need to worry about it.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (1.00 / 0)

You ain't seen nothin yet!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:26:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (none / 0)

There you go.  Lose your dignity and class along with the nomination... just like your candidate.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:47:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Dislike use of the term "savages" (2.00 / 1)

nor the characterization of the people who contacted Mayor Nutter's office, as "thugs",
in the link you posted to Hyper Educated.

Savage is a code word for indigenous peoples - I have banned the use of it in my anthropology classrooms, and have protested its use in texbooks.

According to two people who work in his office,
he received a high volume of calls/emails from both HRC and BO supporters.


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing racism,sexism,homophobism, ageism and ethnocentrism.
by NeciVelez on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:36:42 PM EST

Re: Dislike use of the term "savages" (1.00 / 0)

According to two people who work in his office, he received a high volume of calls/emails from both HRC and BO supporters.

That is only half of the story. They received LOTS of angry calls from Obama supporters and were so happy when they started to hear from Hillary supporters. That is why I wrote the original diary. And my source is unimpeachable.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:30:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dislike use of the term "savages" (2.00 / 0)

An anonymous source that only you can vouch for?
Please.
We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:00:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dislike use of the term "savages" (none / 0)

Hello fleaflicker,

You didn't respond to my criticism of the use of the term "savages".  And of your link to the diary of a person who used the term "thugs".  I'm sure it was not a veiled reference to Thuggee's from India.


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing racism,sexism,homophobism, ageism and ethnocentrism.
by NeciVelez on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:15:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No SUrprise (2.00 / 3)

Of course they are going to bully and intimidate him. That's their MO.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:46:25 PM EST

Here's the rub: (2.00 / 3)

And they have the Obamedia wrapped around their scrawny little fingers.... We represent the heart and soul of the Democratic party. They represent the far left radical wing of the Democratic party. Yet they are so determined to take over the party that they aren't afraid to destroy the party if they can't.

As far as I can tell, Barack Obama represents the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.  There is no other way to account for the media love of him (other than perhaps to set up a patsy for McCain).  MSNBC is GE, which is GE Financial, one of the biggest shylocks in the financial industry, and GE is also one of the biggest war profiteers.  As they say, follow the money.  If Barack Obama were a radical far left anti-war, anti-corporation liberal, he would not be the poster boy for MSNBC.  On the flip side, if the CLintons were such right-wing-war-hawk-corporate Democrats, then MSNBC would be trying to get Hillary elected, to help GE's bottom line.  

As far as I can tell, Barack Obama, the centrist, has been hijacked by Markos Moulitsas and the radical far left wing of the party, and those clowns are now taking credit for his successes, and calling him one of their own.  What a joke.  The guy posted like three times on Daily Kos - at least once in support of his vote in favor of Supreme Court Justice John Roberts, and they act like he's one of them and they are responsible for his success.  MSNBC is responsible for Obama's success, not Daily Kos.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:47:34 PM EST

Re: Here's the rub: (2.00 / 2)

Now there is an Inconvenient Truth if I ever saw one!


Re-elect the President in 2012
by DemAC on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:52:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

GE>NBC>SNL>Pro Hillary Sketch (none / 0)


 On the flip side, if the CLintons were such right-wing-war-hawk-corporate Democrats, then MSNBC would be trying to get Hillary elected, to help GE's bottom line.  

Her Saturday Night Live sketch ring a bell?
SNL is on NBC, no?

Like you say, follow the $$$$!


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:49:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Come on, J. (2.00 / 1)

The entire NBC news operation, including its 24/7 MSNBC outlet, CNBC, NBC News, etc., vs. a handfull of short sketches a few times by a couple of personalities on a 1 1/2 hour Saturday night comedy sketch show?

At least we're keeping things in perspective here!


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:05:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter (2.00 / 1)

Another day, another nonsensical diary.  So, he took down his email address because he received too many emails from people wishing to express their opinion?  The horror.  Some of you people have a real persecution complex.  It's strange, and sick, that you actually seek to dehumanize Obama supporters.    


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:17:18 PM EST

This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 4)

With the call center tying up all the democratic phone lines in the state.  people went to jail for that.

NH phone jamming scandal

I thought only republicans did crap like that until this year has changed all my trust.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:48:05 PM EST

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 0)

Now this is truly silly.  There's a big difference between trying to tie up phone lines on election day to interfere with an election, as occurred in NH (although in Tobin's case, the evidence wasn't strong enough) and e-mails going to a public e-mail address.  

It would unheard of for the mayor not to have another e-mail for official business -- like from his police commissioner, etc. So there's no real interference with business.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:03:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If this hadn't already happened to (2.00 / 1)

Geraldine Ferraro, being flooded with ugly hate e-mails, we might be inclined to believe you.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:59:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If this hadn't already happened to (none / 0)

Geraldine Ferraro's been caught lying way too many times for her to expect people to believe her now.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:41:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Where do you get that? (2.00 / 1)


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:51:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 1)

You are absolutely correct. The Obama campaign IS using Republican tactics. They have been doing so for a very long time.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:35:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 0)

The main tactic that we Obama supporters have picked up is that we keep showing up in state after state and casting more votes than you.  I bet that's sexist, and immoral, and thugish, and undemocratic too.  Why don't we do the only fair thing and take Obama's name off of the ballots in the remaining states and then tell everyone that the votes won't count. We all know that's the only democratic and fair way to do it.  (or at least the only chance that Hilary can win without telling lies about NAFTA first)

Anyone in this comment section who has called any elected official in the last year as part of a barrage of people showing public encouragement or displeasure who then wants to complain about Obama supporters doing THE SAME DAMN THING is dishonest.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:11:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 1)

That is exactly what worries me about the Obama campaign ever since Iowa.  Just how many votes do you each get?

The main tactic that we Obama supporters have picked up is that we keep showing up in state after state and casting more votes than you


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:19:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 0)

That is a statement with no basis in reality.  It is irresponsible and not worthy of this site for you to make such an accusation.  You, NewHampster, should provide some evidence (other than Hilary's astounding string of losses) to support your insinuation or retract it.

It's disgusting the level to which some desperate fans of the McCain surrogate will stoop in order to justify the continuation of her inept and so far dishonest campaign.

I can provide actual examples and evidence of MY accusations if you like.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:32:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (2.00 / 1)

Do you geel better now??  McCain surrogate?  

What is disgusting is playing the race card  ~ accusing the Clintons of being racist.  That is the lowest campaign tactic I have ever seen ~ disgusting!  and really sad...


by Mags on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:32:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (none / 0)

I didn't bring up race at all.  You did in order to pivot from your dishonest, cowardly, dirty accusation and you did it because you have no evidence at all to support it.  It is exactly this lack of class or respect for the truth that has your candidate LOSING BADLY.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:54:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This reminds me of the Rethugs in NH in '02 (none / 0)

You are very rude ~like so many other HOPEful people...Why is that??


by Mags on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:17:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That was a good catch. :) (2.00 / 1)


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:56:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That was a good catch. :) (none / 0)

Yeah, a meritless allegation based on zero evidence that demonstrates what a bunch of childish sore losers you have on your side is a great catch.

Come with some evidence or have the class to demand a retraction.

It's this type of classlessness that has your side losing... badly.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:58:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It was snark, sarcasm, a joke. (none / 0)

"Chill", as the big dog says.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:16:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So much for positive. (2.00 / 0)

Savages, race-baiters, cultists, fear mongers?

Nice diary.  Sheesh.  


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:39:11 PM EST

Re: So much for positive. (none / 0)

Thanks.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:49:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 1)

We don't want people to call their elected officials and tell them what we think, that sort of savagery might lead to representative government or something.

How many of us "real democrats" have made how many calls to the offices of how many elected officials in the last year?  What about emails or faxes?

This is hypocritical.  Those Obama savages are rude enough to keep showing up in state after state and casting more votes than you too.  Those bastards!


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:05:04 PM EST

The Audacity of Email - Skinning the Rabbit (2.00 / 0)

"Barack Obama is like a frightful nightmare upon America. I'm even afraid to publish this post."

Hyper Frightened Bunny Rabbit is "afraid to post" yet she is going to "lead your battle?

Good luck with that.

What was it Bill said? Oh yeah..."Cowboy UP".


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:25:58 PM EST

Re: The Audacity of Email - Skinning the Rabbit (2.00 / 0)

It reminds me of people on Rush Limbaugh's show after Bill Clinton was elected - they would call up and trade stories about how someone they knew was audited after "speaking out".

Abandon all reason, Ye who enter here.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:31:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 2)

You all know by now that Fleaflicker is susanhu, right?  They're both attached to the SusanUnPC email account, and she continues to post under both accounts here.  Isn't there a rule against that?


by Skaje on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:43:20 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

I assure you that Susan and I are two separate creatures. If you are referring to my account at No Quarter it is very true that my email address is not shown. If you are going to attack someone at least get your facts straight. And do you actually think we write alike? Pssssttt... It's a clue.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:51:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm (2.00 / 0)

Susan better tell her peeps at http://www.hillaryis44.org to stop blowing her cover.

They throw around emails and last names like crazy.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:31:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

They don't know me. I don't post there. Susan can take care of herself. Of that I am certain. But anytime she needs help scores will come to her defense in a heartbeat.


by Fleaflicker on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:23:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 0)

"cross posted at No Quarter".

That explains the bit about "savages".

So let's see, Mayor Nutter's email backs up, and this is instantly assumed to be the fault of Obama supporters and their thuggery.

Look; you're not thinking this all the way through.  I don't know how poor Mayor Nutter's email got backed up, but I HAVE seen countless e-mail campaigns launched by Clinton supporters.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but what do you think happens at the other end when you say something like "let's show 'em what we think!"?


by Mostly on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:29:12 PM EST

"Harrassed by these savages?" (2.00 / 1)

OOooooohhhhh! Michael Nutter's CONSTITUENTS sent him a bunch of E-mails and called his office!

The "savages."

Did they throw spears at his office too?

Or did they start banging cannibal drums?


by Hesiod Theogeny on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:35:37 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 1)

We all know how passionate those Obama cultists can be. And they have the Obamedia wrapped around their scrawny little fingers.

I'll have you know that my fingers are quite fat.
by Ddeele on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:36:10 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 1)

So let's get this straight, calling an elected official and telling them you don't like what they did or e-mailing them -- that is thuggish, savage behavior?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:28:28 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter to Shut Do (2.00 / 1)

"My God, these people are fear mongers and race baiters. What's next? Coming to your home and beating the crap out of you? Lining us up and shooting us dead until there are no more Hillary voters left?"

Sending e-mails and making phone calls...leads to beating people up and shooting them...?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:32:13 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporters Force Mayor Nutter t (2.00 / 0)

Breaking:  Mayor Nutter's toilet backs up, Obama supporters to blame.


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:47:57 PM EST

Your point (none / 0)

would have been better made by avoiding the inflammatory language in the quotes you cited, IMHO.

I agree that Mayor Nutter should not be harrassed for his candidate choice, and if it has anything to do with his ethnicity, it's even worse.  He should be allowed to choose the candidate he wants without harrassment.  His constituents have every right to disagree with him, but not to harrass him.

Using words like "savages" is wrong, IMHO.  Using derogatory language with a racial slant is really awful whether it's a blogger using it, or whether it's Jeremiah Wright using it.  This wholly unnecessary racial war going on in this primary has me beside myself with anguish.  It's wrong.  This is not how I live my life and it's not how I want my party to behave.  It's not what we're about.  It has to stop.  

I agree that the Obama campaign has used race baiting and falsely accused others of using it, and I am really troubled by it.  That's all the more reason to make sure we don't use racially inflammatory and unfair language while supporting Clinton.  I feel pretty sure that she would strongly disagree with it and it's unfair to associate it with her.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:58:50 PM EST

I think (2.00 / 1)

they are not really calling anyone savages as much as they are trying to say that these people are savaging Hillary supporters.  I was certainly savaged and if I said anything that was a little confrontational, that has to be taken in context considering the totality of the entire comment or diary.

In this diary by Tonyaharding whoever he or she was said everyone here are fuckwads because Obama was going to get the nomination.  That was basically the entire comment.  There was no redeeming value in that entire comment so all we really had was the fuckwad comment.   That is what happens at the DailyKos.  I know you are there too.  Outbursts of frustration are fine if they are part of a useful comment or diary, unless, of course, you call one member a horrible name.  If the fuckwad comment was a complete set of important thoughts, even if I disagreed with them, I'd ignore the anger and debate what was important.


by cpa1a on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:29:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think (2.00 / 0)

Uh, the person is calling Obama supporters "savages" because the mayor experienced heavy email traffic which, the diarist him/herself admits, was also caused by Clinton supporters emailing the mayor at the same time.  Think about all of the leaps of logic here: (a) the mayor shut down his email because of Obama supporters' correspondence, rather than because of the total volume from supporters of both candidates; (b) writing an elected offical about his endorsement of a presidential candidate is an act of savagery and not to be condoned, except if the email is supportive of that decision; and (c) the mayor has been terrorized and harassed by emails that, in all likelihood, he never read.  Perhaps genuine complaints would be taken more seriously if people did not get into histrionics about things that, in the grand scheme of things, appear fairly innocuous.


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:51:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think (none / 0)

I hear you and agree about the tonyaharding comment.  However, I think the word "savages" was used intentionally and was racially charged.  If it wasn't, then the author really should learn more about common insults used against people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, religions, gender, sexual preference, etc.  It's up to us to learn to be sensitive to the words that inflict pain and disparage people different from ourselves.  That can be a daunting task since there's a long history of various groups of people being condescending and hateful toward each other and there are a lot of things to learn.  Nobody's perfect and everyone makes mistakes sometimes because they just don't realize -- but I don't think that's the case here.  That, of course, is just my opinion.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:57:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary's supporters HAVE NOT (2.00 / 1)

1) stalked Obama's supporters in real life or online, we don't do it.  You guys are stalkers online and in real life.

Hillary supporters really are better than you on that, we don't stalk and you do.

2) spend countless hours of our days hacking just to shut down your websites (but we leave a website because of your gang banging, stalking, threats, and so on and you can't take it?).  It is a sign---  YOU'RE WEAK.

3) sent death theats to anybody.  Again, telling a politician you won't support them in the future is sure different than a death threat.  Obama supporters continually do death threats.  WEAK.

Even the New York Times commented on your extremely crazy behavior after they endorsed Hillary.   They found your behavior crazy and becoming dangerously reminiscent of a "cult of personality."  Obama supporters seemed not to notice NY Times actual coverage of your candidate is GLOWING, while scathing of Hillary.

Hate to stereotype but I am mad enough to ask...

WHY are so many rich young kids so angry?  Don't worry, be happy (and quit with the race baiting).  

Some of you explode Virginia Tech style, if there are some psychological disorders causing some of you to behave like this I really wish you would have them addressed.  

If progressive leaders can't stop this kind of behavior and in fact create it, we're sunk.  This is ridiculous and your own elders in the Obama camp need to tell you to cool it.  

This election shouldn't get you to act out against politicians like this (a mayor speaking against hate speech gets the same treatment many Hillary supporters have witnessed before?)  Amazing.

Online stalking, real life stalking, real life death threats, all day hacking--- in the Democratic Party that is unique to the Obama campaign right now.  

This site is supposed to be about issues, electability, poll numbers, transparency whatever.  But some Obama supporters are bringing Kos's magic here.

If Obama's supporters continue to hijack the process Virginia Tech style everywhere they go then the Democratic Party is going to lose key support.

Plus, karma is real.  It will backfire.


by chieflytrue on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:00:56 PM EST

Re: Hillary's supporters HAVE NOT (2.00 / 1)

Are you seriously this delusional or is this an April Fool's Day post?


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:06:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's supporters HAVE NOT (2.00 / 0)

Virginia Tech should not be used as some sort of rhetorical device...for an April Fools joke (which I assume this is) or otherwise.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:33:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Did you consider the role of supporters emails? (2.00 / 0)

A prominent Clinton supporter asked everyone to email in support, and the guys email server is down.  Despite the complete absence of any evidence of the volume of email from Obama supporters or what they said, you say the crash must have been because of Obama "cultists"?  

Does the phrase "jumping to conclusions" have any meaning to you?


by OaktownDad on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:15:02 AM EST


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