Given that the posters Bob attacks have been posting here for months and years, that you have been posting here for barely a day, and the Bob came here with the expressed purpose of pursuing the diarists who abandoned DKos...

I don't think you are in any position to speculate on who is a troll. Nor does anyone here find your attempt to exclude longtime posters or belittle their legitimate anger particularly unifying.

Nothing that you wrote corrects this:

"The fact is, there is serious anti-Obama backlash going here, more so than anything I've seen as Anti-Clinton. That's not to say that there isn't worse Anti-Clinton stuff out there, but this is the blog we are posting at, this is the blog that, for whatever reason, this diarist cares about enough to plead for common sense."

I'm sorry for your wife's experience. I do not condone it or, frankly, understand it. Kos, nor Jerome, can control what readers do through... was it a private email acct? I don't know the intricacies of a Kos acct.

And I don't doubt there was horrible anti-Clinton stuff going on. No question. There has been since 1991, if I remember correctly.

But that doesn't make it less like Apples and Oranges. If people here are comparing Obama to George Wallace now, and hundreds of others are agreeing, that's just silly and ridiculous. Not comparable to your wife's daily kos experience, but it needn't be to still be wrong.

Tudor,

I am sorry that your wife had the bad email experience.  I wrote about it in a comment on Kid Oakland's diary today on dkos.  I think you may find the diary interesting if you have time to read it today.

In any case, please let me add my plea.  No one should make a decision about the correct person to hold the position of President of the United States based on the admittedly egregious misbehavior of immature, misguided idiots on the internet.  It's far too important to our nation and the rest of the world.  

We as a nation cannot afford another 4 years of a Republican administration.  Please keep that in mind as you and your wife decide what to do as we go forward in the general election campaign.  I know that you know that or neither you nor your wife would spend the time that you have in the progressive blogosphere.  

And if either of you venture back to Daily Kos, I think that you will find that the tolerance for such misguided behavior has disappeared.  Yes, it's a heavily trafficked blog and there will always be a few immature idiots but, by and large,  such behavior is called out when it occurs.  

Namaste.

Here's the link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/31/ 185328/835/332/487846

Overall, I would judge the comments on this one were rather supportive and positive.  Yes, there was a trollish Obama supporter or two, but I rec'd and tip'd the diarist, and I'm die-hard Obama.

But what does the tit-for-tat "evidence" fight solve?  McCain is still getting a free ride while the "DEMOCRATIC CIVIL WAR" [insert scary Faux News music here.] continues on.

But look at some of Alegre's diaries and posts on this website...she writes the same ridiculing remarks that made her leave Kos in the first place.

Thanks, I'll do that then report back to you.

First, she didn't write a 'let's all get along' diary on DKos so I couldn't check out the comments.

I picked the following Diary to read because Alegre was defending Hillary on Northern Ireland and Kosovo.  Since that is a controversial stance, I figured it would be a good place to find comments calling her names (and more importantly calling her supporters names en masse).

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3 /10/233439/265/973/473984

There were a couple of hundred comments and I read every single one.  The b** word was used several times only by people who claimed to be Hillary supporters (as in Proud to be a B***).  Those comments were jumped on by Obama supporters as offensive.  I couldn't find a single instance where anyone said anything negative about Clinton supporters, not one.  

While the bulk of the commenters disagreed with Alegre's position, there were also those who agreed (and they weren't flamed for doing so).  The ones who disagreed were mainly complaining that Alegre used only one source for all her links -- HillaryHub -- which they felt was not a reliable source.

Okay, I've done my homework.  Now you do yours -- show me where the Obama supporters get away with calling Clinton supporters names on DKos.

Lie you I was an Edwards supporter.  I thought it was lunacy to nominate Obama or Hillary.  I didn't think the country was ready to vote for an African America and Hillary has her negatives.  

I was wrong about America and blacks and I couldn't be more surprised or happier.  However, I became very angry with Obama after that Reno Gazette interview.  I've written about that enough, so I'm not going to rehash all that but quite frankly, I do not want Obama as my president.  Not until he can show that he has pushed aside the baggage he's brought to this election, not until he's done something that he has to stand by and not until he stops injecting race into the campaign.  

I am a progressive and liberal Democrat but I do not like Barack Obama.  I think that's really OK, if that is how I truly feel.  As I have said before, the only thing I like about his is that he's black and what that would do for the self confidence and goals of the black kids and adults too.  It's just too bad that this guy who had so much promise appears to be quite the conniving liar, in my opinion.

On the DailyKos I attacked Obama.  I was furious with him after he said that 80% of our medical costs go to 20% of the population, meaning older Americans.  That was another Obama injection of hate to split the children from the older people because the kids don't want to pay high medical insurance, so he is talking right to them.  I think Obama is as transparent as Saran Wrap but I am confounded why nobody sees it.

So, after reading that stealth attack on older Americans, I wrote on the Dailykos, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.  The Obama Gestapo on the Dailykos swarmed me and everything I wrote thereafter.  You know what went on there.  Say one negative thing about their candidate and you get hit with 100 comments drowning out anything you've said.  That made me dislike Obama even more because he fed that anger, especially when he said that Hillary's supporters will vote for him but his probably won't vote for her.  These were code words for many of the jerks on the DailyKos to become even more oppressive.  

The injecting of race is what will lose nomination or the general election for him.  He will not be president.  Can you come up with any reason for Obama to attack Andy Young and Charlie Rangel as racists?  Anyone who believed that was an idiot.  He attacked Robert Johnson for being a racist because he alluded to Obama's drug usage, which he talked about in his bood.  That was tough but certainly not racist the same way it wasn't racist for Billy Shaheen to ponder, off the record, about Obama's drug usage, like we should have pondered about Bush.   Was that racist?  The Obama team had the nerve to attack Hillary for crying, implying that was racist.  I think Obama is disgusting and stooping to that level is not what I want out of a Democratic candidate for president.  He is such a despicable phony as he sends out his surrogates to build a tidal wave against Hillary staying in the campaign and then this liar says she can stay as long as she wants, she should stay in, it's good for the party.  It makes me want to throw up.

Now his surrogates are saying that he wants the delegates from FL and MI to be seated and I listen to them I think I am hearing Ari Fleischer, spinning lies and deceptions, rapidly in monotones with no voice inflection...like a robot.  So, my position is, after all his lies, his relationship with Jeremiah Wright which is ongoing and even the arrogance of his wife are things I do not want in the White House.  However, I will have more respect for him if he pushes for re-votes.  Without them he's finished, with them, if he wins he has a chance.  If he loses Florida and Michigan by large percentages, the supers will be committing malpractice if they vote for him.  His only chance, however, is to run in MI and FL and win.  If he and Dean successfully disenfranchise those states, I will automatically vote for McCain because the evil I fear is real.

Don't compare this place to the Dailykos.  Everyone has a chance to debate here.  There are pro Obama recommended diaries here.  Just look down the list at the Dailykos and you see one Obama blow job after the other.

It's just like the Republicans and Democrats.  The Democrats don't have to clean up their act and learn to respect the other side they already know how, only the Republicans need civility lessons.  The people here are diverse and terrific and for there to be peace among the Democratic bloggers it has to come from the Dailykos, apologizing for being the animals they were.  

I wrote a diary on that horrible site yesterday and Eternal Hope called me a piece of shit. Using the name Obamorons and saying that Obama supporters are blind is not like attacking a individual Obama supporter.  MsCasey wrote on the Dailykos that Hillary a cunt.  If she could back it up, it would be crude but respected if it was correct.  I have called Obama a lying SOB but I said why.  That is what I think he is.  You know what goes on there.  The animals there have to be put back in their cages and Markos needs to take control of the site.  I am so grateful for mydd because I like the balance, I respond here with respect and it is a place to get informed.   I am not participating in a formal strike.  I am just losing my desire to be on the Dailykos because I found a better place.  Will I slip and use Obamorns from time to time, probably, but that is nothing compared to the way Hillary supporters are treated there.  If you remember the abuse started against Edwards supporters.

Could you please post a link detailing some of these charges?  I keep hearing these claims and have never seen any evidence.

Thanks!

And when my Reproductive Rights are taken away and more of my friends are sent to Iraq indefinitely, I'll be first in line to thank you so much for your integrity.

It's only insulting because you are on the side needing to hear the call to unite -- rather than stating it.

Losing sucks. Hillary had a lot of opportunities and the fact is, the country is closely split on who should be the Dem. nomineee. But by the metrics that count, were agreed upon and by which both candidates are bound, it's looking bleaker for one candidate than the other.

The blog postings of a teensy fraction of supporters of either candidate should not be taken as the candidate him or herself.

I've supported Clintons for decades with money and volunteer time. I'd have done the same. Never understood the anger some feel for the Clintons -- other than anger that they kept winning and thwarting their enemies' efforts to ruin them -- and kind of feel the same thing here, in reverse.

I do trust for most it will wear off. But then again, most aren't the few who post here, who have a lot invested in Hillary emotionally, and are understandably upset at her loss.

And we should also recognize that Sen. Clinton has no chance if "Obamaphiles" sit it out either. So judging form the level of disourse here and over on KOS the party is well and truly screwed.

I am quite sad about that.  

I go back and forth about being able to unify behind Clinton should that come to pass.  

It gets easier the less I read blogs.  Maybe we should all take a break.

No, my subjective metric is accurate. Your subjective metric is inaccurate. Your side is more offensive because I take more offense at it. I take less offense at my side, so it is less offensive by any reasonable standard, reasonable standards being my standards.

Never in history has a campaign been so ugly than this campaign that I feel is ugly. Never has a candidate been more qualified, and treated worse by the media, than the candidate I feel is best qualified and since the media doesn't seem to be backing that up.

Since I never have called myself something heinous, but a few supporters of the candidate I disagree with have called me heinous things, I will never ever vote for that candidate. That candidate is totally unqualified for office because my feelings are hurt and will continue to be hurt through Novemeber.

Later, when the Roberts surpreme court removes Habeous Corpus for all US citizens, outlaws abortions and eliminates labor rights, then the supporters of my candidate's opponenant will learn how important I am and how I should not have been called names or troll-rated once.

I didn't know some Clinton posters were banned, since I stopped trying on that site it hadn't happened yet.

When Markos made his little self-righteous statement 2 weeks ago, I believe it spelled the slow death of his site's chance of reaching mainstream credibility. Two years ago I though it was nearly there.

I wrote a diary asking for unity back before Iowa, and the backlash I received was f****ed up!

AND, it is not just like this on the blogs. The hate mongering of the newbies have emboldened many pundits and supporters, and brought a seedy mob rule to the political process.

First of all, the fact that Obama supporters have been hateful towards HRC supporters on other sites (or even here) does not give license for HRC supports to be hateful towards BHO and his supporters.

Of course, Bob doesn't object to that.

No, in this diary, Bob didn't object to that. But it, frankly, Bob doesn't get held responsable for what every other BHO supporter everywhere says and does.

This kind of attack is ad hominem and serves only to distract from the point. Here at MyDD, things are bad. If you agree that things are bad--regardless of what happens elsewhere--then we should be working together to try to stop this. Not calling out the diarist for not repudiating every stupid and hateful thing said by other BHO supporters.

I won't vote for someone who behaves and tolerates behavior such as Obama does and has.

Lastly, there may be an argument that BHO is responsable for what his surrogates say, but I reject the idea the BHO should be held responsable for what people on a smattering of hyper-partisan and insular political blogs say. That is a stretch of logic.

Please don't let the hateful comments of posters on blogs dictate who you vote for.

Can you possibly please see past the argument that this has to be "equal"?  Or that one side is worse then the other?  How does that make any sense at all.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.  We all have examples of things that we have read that are way above and beyond all rational discourse.  

To label all people that support Obama based on the actions of a few is at its heart the definition of racism.  Seriously, you cannot dismiss any whole group of people based on the actions of a few that are part of that group.

Whether you agree with Obama, or his policies etc, and whether you choose to vote for him and support him is one thing.  But to say that Obama has behaved "atrociously" because some of the people that support him have, makes no common sense.

I am not even from the US, and thus have no vote, and thus read everything openly from both sides, and there has been nothing anywhere that leads me to believe that Obama (or even Clinton) are anything less then good people.  To try to make then guilty by association for the words and actions of their supporters (probably which they have no idea of) is totally wrong.  They are both intelligent and rational people that can make their own decisions.  And that is what is needed at this time in the US.  Someone that can think and act like a normal human as president.  

Of course you have your vote and your choice to use it.  But to say you won't vote for someone because some asshole that supports that person said/did something stupid, makes no sense at all.  Your not voting for the asshole, your voting for the president of the United States.