Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole From Me

As amazing as it sounds, it appears the Clinton campaign fraudulently charged thousands of dollars to an unwitting and unwilling donor, who had to file a police report before the campaign refunded most but not all of her money (they continue to refuse to compensate her for the overdrafts that resulted.)

Kathy Callahan's story is supported by campaign finance reporting that shows the campaign charging $11,300 to her credit card. See the data here: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:bT8 6RAoZmzwJ:www.campaignmoney.com/politica l/contributions/kathy-callahan.asp%3Fcyc le%3D08+%22kathy+callahan%22+hillary& ;hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Another source: http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp. asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfT hou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

Callahan describes her experience (from bluejersey): I voluntarily left the Hillary Finance Committee after I discovered more than $3, 000 in unauthorized charges from HRC campaign on my own VISA card! And that set off a wave of overdrafts and $400 in bank charges that I was stuck with. And thE compliance officer Allison Wright at Hillary VA headquarters refused to reimburse me for the charges. And the senior finance reps who I notified about more than $3, 000 in Unauthorized Visa Charges: never once aplogized or empathized with my plight...Much less send me a "sorry for all the trouble" note and a check!

Unbelievably, it took me more than a month of pleading and begging VIA email to get the money back. I was told verbatim:

"Kathy Callahan, you are going to be with us all the way to the White House...So let's leave the money where it is and we'll save time on inevitable future donations and transactions!"  

I went into a state of abject shock, disbelief and later anger! Heartbroken. I didn't want to report this entirely correctable problem to anyone outside the Hillary campaign! One long month later, and at the behest of a bank executive who said to me a few days before Christmas Eve,
"You are way way way over the legal donor limit, Kathy!  What are they thinking? Are they thinking at all?"
So I followed his direction and filed a police report in Ridgefield. I then notified Allison Wright and Cc'ed senior finance reps (who I met many times) via email again -about the police report and said,
"Enough is Enough, already! Christmas is coming!"

It was then and only then and within a matter of seconds that I got a cell phone call and email from Allison Wright  imploring me, "Kathy, please don't do anything, formally!  I will send you whatever you want back, immediately!" I told her,
"You can send all of my money back!" Finally, $5, 300 large came back to me but not $400 in overdraft charges.  And to think that the legal limit during the primary is $2, 300 and I had already generously and enthusiastically donated $2, 000 to Hillary legitimately!  

I had no other choice but to walk away! And I am so glad that I did. Every cloud has a green, gold and  silver lining. And in my case it's Barack Obama.

-Kathy Callahan, MSW, NJ LCSW, MASS LICSW

Clearly, this is something to be investigated. No conclusions can be drawn as yet. The police report should be quite interesting. What I am most interested in is this: have any Clinton donors had similar experiences of unauthorized charges or the Clinton campaign taking donations over the legal limit? Is this an aberration or the first example of a pattern of behavior?

Questions, questions, questions.



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Re: Former Clinton Supporter: (2.00 / 4)

I expect this is some kind of mistake. I mean, it isn't as if people weren't going to find out about it. It would be stupid to intentionally steal from contributors. If this was a common thing, I think we'd have heard about it.

I've donated to the campaign with credit cards and debit cards, and Hillary hasn't stolen my money yet. I'm not worried. This was an accident.

I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:30:22 PM EST

The problem is that when there are enough (2.00 / 1)

accidents, you start wondering why in the world the campaign is this disorganized or incompetent. For example, I've also heard that Clinton's campaign is notorious for failing to pay debts


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:35:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am not prepared to think this's deliberate fraud (2.00 / 2)

but if the account of the woman about the difficulties of getting her money back is correct, this shows callousness by the finance rep.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:41:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not saying that its fraud (2.00 / 1)

Sorry that that may have been unclear. What I am saying is that this seems to follow a trend in which the Clinton campaign is disorganized and almost incompetent. Consider how much money they spent on parking alone, and the problems Solis Doyle was fired for.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:44:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

no, no (2.00 / 1)

I got your point. I do not disagree. :)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:53:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If. (none / 0)

Your key word is "IF"


by Catriley sez on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:49:30 PM EST
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Re: The problem is that when there are enough (none / 0)

Vote against John Elrod in IN-7!
I am going to be doing this on Tuesday.
by supsupsup on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:19:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think maybe your mind is already made up (2.00 / 1)

Not criticizing your choice of Obama.  But it sounds like you'd believe almost anything said about Hillary at this point.

I don't think that way about Obama.  I'm not going to let his "opposition" paint his portrait.  I'll let him do that - just as I let Hillary do the painting.

She has said some things I didn't like in this campaign.

Obama has done the same.

I'm trying to give them both equal believability.  Many people have already made up their minds that Hillary is never believable.  


by Southern Mouth on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:26:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What do you mean? (none / 0)

I do give both candidates equal believability. In this case, this person has made allegations that Open Secrets backs up, and there is no apparent reason for her to be lying. Hence I am inclined to believe her.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Based on this and other comments (none / 0)

.... you don't seem to be able to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt.

If the same story came out about Obama, would you find it believable?

I said, to me it sounds like you've made up your mind ..... if you don't think you have, fine.  You know your thoughts, not me.


by Southern Mouth on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:39:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If someone said the same thing about Obama (2.00 / 1)

I would feel the same way I do now.

Because when I hear a story like this, I ask two things:

  1. Is there any evidence? In this case, Open Secrets backs her up
  2. Is it plausible and is there a motive for the person to be making this up? I have no idea how or why Kathy Callahan would know that something of this sort would happen or plan for it to occur. And if you donate $2,000 to someone's campaign, you would probably support them very strongly.

Let me ask you the converse. Why don't you find this believable?


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:45:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If someone said the same thing about Obama (2.00 / 1)

I don't know what "Open Secrets" is.  

I did a google of Kathy Callahan and found several articles, some showing her as a Clinton supporter, then an Obama supporter -  and MANY blog spots reporting the same story.

When I see that same thing about Obama - i.e. the Muslim bit, or the pledge of allegiance - I'm immediately suspicious.

For a campaign to make a mistake is bad.  For a campaign to deliberately overcharge someone sounds illegal.  It doesn't make sense that the campaign would do something illegal for a pittance of money.

If I were of the mind to believe that Clinton is a low-life, then I would give creditability that she is running a low-life campaign.

I take it for granted that she and Obama are pretty decent people.  

I don't distrust Kathy Callahan.  I just don't know WHO she is.

Basically, it's rumor.  Suzy told me that Cathy said to Kim that Johnny was with Bobby when Bobby ....  I'll believe it and find it very disconcerting when I see/hear more evidence.

Thanks for your comments/remarks.


by Southern Mouth on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:00:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If someone said the same thing about Obama (none / 0)

I agree with you in so far as it would not make sense for her campaign to do this kind of stuff on purpose and on a large scale.

However, this incident is one more puzzle piece that shows us how badly run her campaign is - from a financial point of view. It's just another puzzle piece, nothing more.


by marcotom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 06:37:11 AM EST
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Re: I think maybe your mind is already made up (none / 0)

Donuts, pizza and snow shovels for everyone! Hey we just raised another 4 million dollars. Now we can pay Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn this month.


by victoryfordems on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:12:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This was posted at Dkos (2.00 / 3)

and i will be more forthright here.  This is crap.  If you look at the pattern of her donations the amounts and times vary,...it's not the same every month.  It's the kind of donations that are event related.

I have mistakenly given mote to campaigns than legally allowed. I got my money back.  The DNC itself once double billed me for tohousand of dollars.  I told American Express it was a mistake they gave me my money back.  That's what Visa would....then they investigate.  And since this looks like events related donations that's what the campaign would have said....

Ms. Callahan must have decided that this was more money than she could aford so she wanted her money back...it's as simple as that. so she asked for it back even though it had been in all probability legitimately given.  By the way it is legal to give up to $4600 not $2300...for the primary and the general.

Campaigns make mistakes...they don't steal.

This charge is a smear....

The reporting it to the police is a telltale sign...you report it to the credit card company or the FEC...not the police.  that is a sign of someone who's trying to make trouble...not get her money back..


by debcoop on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:20:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was posted at Dkos (none / 0)

Not true -

As someone who had his wallet stolen this past spring - and then had fraudulent charges on both his debit and credit cards, it HEAVILY depends on the institution.

My bank - Chase, bless their hearts (and I mean that) was ENTIRELY great to work with.  They refunded all withdrawls and associated fees within 24 hours.  I asked about filing a police report and they said it was quote "up to me".

However, my credit card issuer very much DID want a police report saying it would make the reversal process "easier and quicker".

There are laws on the books that require institutions to refund fraudulent charges - but fees are a murkier matter.

I have no illusions - I'm sure HRC isn't sitting in some secret lair directing fraudulent charges - but it does speak to her campaign's ongoing competence problems.


by zonk on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:52:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was posted at Dkos (none / 0)

I said I think the amounts billed represent events she went to...and so at some level money she legitimately "owed" the campaign.  I think she then decided she couldn't financially afford the amounts and asked for her money back.  

They tried to seettalk her into not asking for money back that she lelgitimately owed the campaign.

This is not incompetence.  i think this woman acted in bad faith..not the campaign


by debcoop on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:28:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The problem is that when there are enough (none / 0)

Yeah, they owe lots of money to small businesses, such as delis and pizza places.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 08:51:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: (none / 0)

Would that Obama was given the same benefit of the doubt.


by Drummond on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:00:10 PM EST
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Re: Former Clinton Supporter: (none / 0)

On this issue, I could most certainly give Obama the benefit of the doubt.
I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:05:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (2.00 / 1)

Good chance that the entire situation is an accident or misunderstanding being overblown by Obama supporters. Any little thing they can jump on and spin at to prove what "MONSTER" Hillary s.


by corunner26 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:40:49 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (2.00 / 1)

don't you always wonder how they all of a sudden turn to obama supporters then try to get their 15 minutes of fame.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:42:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What I am wondering (none / 0)

is why in the world you're trying to spin this person from a victim into some sort of villain. If someone supported Clinton enough to donate $2,000 to her, do you really think that she switched her support and began speaking out about of this just out of a desire for fame?


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:46:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What I am wondering (2.00 / 1)

i am not speaking specifically of this individual , but i have seen a lot of these instances to become a little suspicious.

from the tip , to the so called planted question in iowa , to some individual who asked her a question on the rope line on social security in iowa , to the raging activist in iowa , to the 3 am ad .

they just mysteriously turn out to be obama supporters and want to be in the news for things that are not news worthy.

so forgive me for being a little skeptical , a lot of the examples i cited didn't deserve to be news material unless they were put up to do it by the obama camp or some desire for 15 minutes of fame.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:52:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

so basically you are (1.00 / 1)

trolling off topic.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:54:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't really see your argument here (2.00 / 2)

I haven't heard of your references in Iowa, but the footage in the 3-AM ad was simply a stock footage taken a decade ago, from what I understand - the girl obviously didn't have any choice in the matter.

Some Obama supporters have even helped Clinton. Take the woman in New Hampshire who asked her "how do you do it?", which probably resulted in Clinton's upset victory. From the article I read, that woman ended up voting for Obama because she felt Clinton's tears were insincere.

On the converse, the (in)famous "Obama Girl" supports Clinton, I believe.

But I don't see how any of this applies to the person in question. It is really stretching a line to say that this person decided to donate $2,000 to Clinton not because she supported her, but because she somehow knew that incompetence at the campaign would cause them to charge her another few thousand dollars, thus letting her win 15 minutes of fame. This is obviously a situation that nobody could have predicted in advance.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:01:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

obama girl supports Clinton? n/t (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:04:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Apparently (none / 0)

According to CNN, at least.

So it may be justified to accuse her of simply wanting fame.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:07:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

weird... (none / 0)

I personally found her clip annoying...but then I am spoiled by X-Men, I expect cool powers along side a cool outfit.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:11:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So basically (none / 0)

you are trolling off topic?


by Soitgoes on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:44:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

or you know I was askign a fellow (none / 0)

commenter about something he/she said.

Make your call.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:03:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't really see your argument here (none / 0)

It looks like Obama girl would have supported BHO, but the physical effort of voting proved insurmountable.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0 2/06/obama-girl-didnt-vote/

Fortunately most BHO supporters are tougher than Ms. girl.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:14:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What I am wondering (none / 0)

I think it is dangerous to react to bad news the way you do here, by basically playing the victim once again.

You also should consider that some diarists on this very page take everything and I repeat: everything that sounds bad about Obama and try to make a huge story about it. So the victim thing just doesn't work for me.


by marcotom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 06:41:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is there even any proof (none / 0)

of this, of just a story by some anonymous ex-staffer?


by georgiapeach on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:22:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Looking at OpenSecrets (none / 0)

Clinton has indeed refunded a "Kathy Callahan" quite a bit of donations
Callahan, Kathy Ridgefield, NJ $1,200 11/2/2007 Refund
Callahan, Kathy Ridgefield, NJ $1,800 12/3/2007 Refund
Callahan, Kathy Ridgefield, NJ $2,300 12/18/2007 Refund
Callahan, Kathy Ridgefield, NJ $500 12/18/2007 Refund

John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:26:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Looking at OpenSecrets (2.00 / 1)

The refunds are clear, but they don't actually support her story.  She says that "a few days before Christmas" she spoke with a bank manager, who told her that she was way over the legal limit.  Prior to that, she claims that she had been unable to get refunds of amounts that she donated.

Nevertheless, the refunds you listed above show that she received refunds on November 2, 2007 and December 3, 2007.  

Given these inconsistencies, I find the tenor of her story highly suspect.  


by mgee on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:42:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Looking at OpenSecrets (none / 0)

COnsidering how much she gave to the campaign willingy why are you so quick to call her a liar?


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 11:18:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Because the facts - (none / 0)

from OpenSecrets.org prove that the post quoted above is absolutely wrong.  The woman claims that the Clinton campaign overcharged her beyond the amount that she was willing/interested in donating.  She claims that they would not refund any money to her until she threatened to call the police, just before Christmas.  Nevertheless, OpenSecrets.org shows that she received three refunds from the campaign:

1. On November 2, 2007;

  1. On December 3, 2007;
  2. On December 18, 2007; and
  3. On December 18, 2007.

The facts as reported by open secrets.org do not support her story.  She claims that the campaign refunded her money only when she threatened to call the police after being advised by a 'bank manager' that she was over the legal limit just before Christmas.  The actual records show that she received her first refund on November 2, 2007, one and one half months before the last refund.

What part of this don't you guys understand?  The facts are at odds with her story.  That makes her story itself wrong, and the context she provides deeply suspect.  

This is a smear.  Shame on you for perpetuating it.  


by mgee on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 11:39:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

this isnt a surprise (none / 0)

esp the arrogance.  


by highgrade on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:48:21 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Let's review the corpus delecti being alleged here:

1. That the campaign knowingly (as implied by the rapid response to the cc on the police report) charged thousands of dollars fraudulently to a supporter's credit card. Felony credit card fraud and felony larceny.

2. That the campaign charged amounts far over the legal limit which, even even they had been approved by the supporter, would have been in violation of campaign finance laws.

3. That they tried to brazen it out in the face of repeated e-mails and phone calls, until the police became involved, and then returned part, but not all, of the money.

I would say that's a pretty substantial charge, whether or not it is borne out by further investigation. And, of course, if they have done this to other people, it's game over.


by EMTP democrat on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:54:07 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

IF the facts are as presented, the smoking gun for me is that this woman had to notify the police to get what was, in the best light, incompetent financial management, and at worst...


by rfwinans on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:17:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

And IF it were true - don't you think Chris Matthews would have been "tingling" about this 3 months ago?


by cmugirl90 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:13:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Doesn't Obama Have Any Qualifications? (none / 0)

Was this supposed to be a joke?


by Brillobreaks on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:07:13 PM EST

ok (none / 0)

I say you start here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:07:47 PM EST

Re: ok (none / 0)

You might want to start there.  I'll bet you can't, off the top of your head, tell the details of one of those issues.


by Sensible on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:45:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I would not bet on it (none / 0)

but its not really a contest.

At this point you are just personally attacking me.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:02:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What do you mean? n/t (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:13:40 PM EST

ok (none / 0)

how do you know there is ZERO chance it went down as its described.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:21:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ok (none / 0)

Well first, the finance manager wouldn't be stupid enough to think that she could keep more than $4600 of this woman's money.  We have CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, you know.

The woman is scamming.  She's apparently a shrink.  Maybe she's also a nut herself.


by Sensible on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:58:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

wow (none / 0)

a bunch of wild accusations.

Good answer.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:00:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Doesn't Obama Have Any Qualifications? (none / 0)

This will keep you busy:

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/ why-support-barack-obama-not-hillary-cli nton-comparison-compare-records/

And, if that doesn't work you can have some Kool Aid, cult sauce, messiah tonic, or whatever the new HRC insult is.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:17:49 PM EST

This diary would be rediculous (none / 0)

no matter which candidate it was written about.


by georgiapeach on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:18:40 PM EST

Re: This diary would be rediculous (2.00 / 2)

says the person who still believes the Farrakhan smears


by amiches on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 08:50:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That comment (1.66 / 3)

seems more like something that I would fine on FreeRepublic than MyDD. Labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you as 'crazy', trying to find personal information, spelling so bad that I can't even comprehend it, typing in all caps, etc.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:32:45 PM EST

Re: That comment (none / 0)

Please stop abusing your trusted user status. You are a relatively new user here (barely a month) and you are repeatedly 0 rating comments in this thread that have content and are directly relevant to the diary. 0 rating is only for use on comments that are wholly content-free.

If you believe the poster is out of line then rate them with a 1.


by souvarine on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:13:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Agreed regarding blogsites (none / 0)

One obvious example is you.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:33:04 PM EST

Does the "talk" about Hillary (none / 0)

... remind you of times gone by?  They aren't selling their ticket to me.


by Southern Mouth on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:34:30 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

According the FEC, the Clinton campaign refunded $5,800 to KC: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/YE/C0 0431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html

For someone who's "crazy," the facts in her story seem to check out quite well.


by EMTP democrat on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:39:05 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

It says that that part of her story is true. It also says that, one way or the other, the Clinton campaign at one time had an illegally large amount of her money.

If you want to bet, I'd be delighted. But the determination will have to be according to the facts in the reality-based community. Is there someone you trust with ties to that community who could keep you posted on what's happening outside your "supporter with issues" (as you so eloquently put it) bubble?


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:15:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (2.00 / 1)

Sure. You claim it's "total BS." I'll bet you $2,300 that it is not -- that some part of what she is saying is true.

Please consult the FEC report, and either prove it is false, or send the above some directly to the Obama campaign.  


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:29:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Several. So let's collect the facts and find out what happened. You're assertion is that it is "total BS," and you wanted to wager on that. I'll that wager. If any part of her story is not BS, you lose. Send the money to Obama.

Now, if you want to bet about whether someone will be charged or convicted of a crime here, you should say that. Your mouth, in this case, is quite literally writing a check your butt can't cash.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:49:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Can disporve Kathy Callahan story (2.00 / 1)


From the piece Kathy wrote, she indicates she:

(1) Filed a police report around Christmas Eve 2007, and

(2) She was refunded $5300 in a lump sum from HRC "within seconds" around the same date.

However, note the link to records onlinewhich show she was refunded a total $5800, over four separate refunds (no lump sum) from 11/2/07 through 12/18/07, the last refund being $500 two weeks before Christmas Eve.

CALLAHAN REFUNDS, note dates:

$1200 - refund 11/2/07
$1800 - refund 12/3/07
$2300 - refund 12/18/07
$500 - refund   12/18/07

*FOR REFUND RECORDS SEE:  http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_det ail.asp?ID=N00000019&cycle=2008& code=R90&Page=5


by Susan1968 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:59:03 PM EST

Re: thank you. (none / 0)

She said the campaign e-mailed her "within seconds" not that they refunded her money within seconds.

The last charge, on the 18th, was for $500. So if you use your common sense (giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you have some) you would see that in all likelihood the last charge hadn't shown up on her statement before they refunded it. Difference between $5,300 and $5,800 explained.

Your "loon alert" is going off, I'm sure, but, friend, that smell is coming from you.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:22:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Her story doesn't seem accurate. the dates are off.

However, the fact that she somehow donated well over $2,300 to Hillary and did not receive a refund (at least for some of the case) until about a week before Christmas seems legit.

Again, should be stressed that her story raises suspicions because the dates don't seem to match up.

By the way, after I saw this, I went to OpenSecrets and search my name to see if I was listed. I was not. However, there was someone else with my last name who had donated $4,600 to Obama. On the same day of the donation, OpenSecret showed that the person received a $2,300 refund. I don't know what this means but perhaps Obama's software somehow figured out that the guy had contributed well over his limit.

Also, I have a question. I should preface this question by saying that I'm sure there's a good explanation. My question is, why is it that the maximum suggested contribution on Obama's site is $2,300 and on Hillary's site it's $4,600? Is the $4,600 for companies, families, etc? Again, I'm sure there's a good explanation.


by poserM on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:28:02 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Are you sure those dates reflect when the money was refunded, and not when the charge was originally made? When I've had credit card charges reversed, they often credit the amount to the same date the charge was made.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:32:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

If you look at the first link (http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:bT8 6RAoZmzwJ:www.campaignmoney.com/politica l/contributions/kathy-callahan.asp%3Fcyc le%3D08+%22kathy+callahan%22+hillary& ;hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us) you'll see all the contributions in question came from the same name and the same city, and they are share another ID visible on the left.

The dates of her contributions, reported here, seem to match up exactly with the dates reported for the refunds.

Since it's unlikely they four times took her money and gave it make the same day, it looks as though those are the dates of the charges, not dates money was refunded.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:37:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

troll story (2.00 / 1)

isn't Obahma the one who boasts raising $$ from all these small Internet donors but really takes big $$ from big sleazy fundraisers like Rezko and friends?  Gimme a break, this story is an obvious TROLL project, and not a very good one!


by Zebra01 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:23:43 AM EST

Re: troll story (none / 0)

Trolls trolling trolling accusations, always good to hear!


by marcotom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 06:50:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is what sent Larouche to Prison. (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:33:48 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: (none / 0)

Huh, no police report.  Huh.

Sounds like she attempted to scam THEM, rather than the other way around.

Send massive over limit donations, and lie about the situation surrounding the return of funds.

If this was real, the press would be all over it.

Until there's real evidence, It's a scam, a troll.


by Sensible on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:51:11 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: (none / 0)

And you know there is no police report because?

Obviously this is a developing story. We don't have enough facts yet to draw conclusions one way or the other. It's silly to argue, as some have, that if it were true, the MSM would have reported on it, therefore, it is false. As if the blogosphere has never found and driven a story until the MSM picked it up.

It's ironic that so many of the posters crying for more evidence and skepticism, have no skepticism regarding any assertion that would tend to discredit this report, as with the poster who said that since she works in mental health, she' probably "nuts herself," or with your claim there wasn't a police report (and you know that because?) If you're against jumping to conclusions, don't jump either way.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 08:14:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

B.S. (2.00 / 1)

These kinds of wild accusations published on blogs are simply ridiculous. If a crime was committed go to the police. Go to the New York Times. Just writing something with no corroberation is just mush.


by MediaFreeze on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:15:13 AM EST

Re: B.S. (2.00 / 1)

Anyone who recs this is a knucklehead, it just makse you and Obama backers in general look ridiculous and desperate.

Come back if you've got something solid.


by MediaFreeze on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:17:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Here are the knuckleheads (none / 0)

that got this crap on the Rec list.

aretino
Dumbo
Skaje
blues
whodat527
DaveMB
bosdcla14
College Progressive
thereisnospoon
jb1125
MILiberal
supsupsup
poserM
1jpb
Meng Bomin
kindthoughts
bmk589
jaywillie
brit


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:12:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

NOT 11,300 charged (none / 0)

Half the money the diarist said was charged was actually the refunded portion.

Every nickel has been refunded


by Sensible on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:45:39 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

If this is how she runs her campaign, how is she going to balance a budget? Serious, serious concerns, here.


by amiches on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 07:27:48 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

I had no other choice but to walk away! And I am so glad that I did. Every cloud has a green, gold and  silver lining. And in my case it's Barack Obama.

-Kathy Callahan, MSW, NJ LCSW, MASS LICSW

Hey Kathy! Did you also hear the celestial choirs singing when you converted to Barack Obama?

This story is so full of holes, it's ridiculous.


by zenful6219 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:48:51 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Every cloud has a green, gold, and silver lining.
-Kathy Callahan, MSW, NJ LCSW, MASS LICSW

Only green, gold, and silver? What about red, white and blue?


by zenful6219 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:51:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (2.00 / 1)

In other words, verbal awkwardness is untrustworthy and eloquence is the mark of truth? Interesting theory.

I'm waiting for someone to find an actual hole in this story. It hasn't happened yet, just a lot of "this can't possibly be true, no, no, no." Her account is unproven but is consistent with the FEC records on the filings of the Clinton campaign.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:57:19 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Actually, EMTP democrat, it's not for any of us to find holes in the story. That's the job for the police.

Finally, her account is NOT proven simply because you and others post it on the Internet. Please remember that!


by zenful6219 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:14:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

It is for the person who claims there are holes (see above) to support their statement.

It is for the voters, not the police, to decide what they think of any incident.

I never claimed that the story had been proven. It has neither been proven or disproven. Such facts as we have are consistent with her story. Hopefully more information (such as the police report) will soon emerge.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:32:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

All you are doing is trying, unsuccessfully, to promote your candidate, Obama, as the better choice.  


by zenful6219 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:35:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What you failed to say... (none / 0)


"I never claimed it was proven".. the rest of your sentence should read: "but I made a diary out of it to hopefully smear Hillary with unproven stories in order to promote my candidate whose supporters cry and whine every time someone utters an unproven and negative story about him"   Guess you forgot that part of the sentence.
by Catriley sez on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:55:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I had the opposite experience (2.00 / 1)

I sent $50 to attend a fundraiser.  The fundraiser was cancelled.  

When I asked about my $50 dollars, a received a polite, personal email apologizing about the cancellation and an offer to refund the money.

I was so impressed with the personal email, I told them to keep the $50 as my campaign contribution.


by findthesource on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:08:18 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

I've been contributing on a monthly basis to the Clinton campaign for months. I've not had any problems.


by zenful6219 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:15:03 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

Thank you both for reporting your experiences with making donations to the Clinton campaign. That adds to what we know.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:34:18 AM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

Heh!  You think that's bad.

She had me strapped down to a gurney and removed my kidney - she personally did it with a steak knife!  I know it was HRC who ordered this done and did it herself and she certainly didn't apologize or say thank you.  Geez.  There was no mistake about it.


by lizpolaris on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:51:31 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

She put a dent in my car. And laughed as she drove off. I will never forgive her for that... lol.  ;)


by Catriley sez on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:52:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

The 2 links only show the fund transactions.  And it shows that the campaign refunded money back to MS Callahan in a timely manner.

You have not provided any link to backup the section of Ms Callahan's story.  Without the link, i have serious doubt that the story is genuine.


by JoeySky18 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:28:59 PM EST

Re: Former Clinton Supporter: The Campaign Stole F (none / 0)

How long you are going to keep trumping this baseless accusation.  If Clinton is really a murderer, they should be charged, trial, and sentenced to jail by now.  With all the scrutiny over them for the most part of their careers and the eagerness that everyone want to bring them down, I doubt that there is anything that escaped public attention.  


by JoeySky18 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 01:32:25 PM EST

The Campaign Stole From Me (none / 0)

I think this story smells of fish.  I have donated several times to Hillary and did donate several times to John Edwards, all of it on credit cards, and there has NEVER been a hint of wrong doing on any of it.  I don't know what is up with this person but I know that Clinton's campaign is not guilty of freud.


by macmcd on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:02:23 PM EST


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