Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in General Election Matchups (with MAPS)

Several days ago Survey USA released their 50-state polling matching Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton against John McCain.  Their polling indicated that currently Obama would receive 280 electoral votes while Hillary would receive 276.  While SUSA is by far my favorite pollster because of  their relative accuracy, I went ahead and examined results from other state polls available.  In addition to the 50 state polls SUSA released, another 37 state polls were conducted recently.  I look at data from these polls - including all polls from the last 30 days only (all polls included are therefore done beginning at least two days after the Feb. 5 "Super-Tuesday".)  

In this diary I have included data for ALL of the current state polls available - the data from the SUSA 50 has been averaged (when applicable) with the other 37 available polls to help us obtain an even more accurate picture of where things stand.  You will notice that for virtually every swing state, at least two polls are available.  For several states, more than two are available (three for Iowa, New Jersey, Oregon, Texas, Wisconsin; four for Florida and Ohio; and five for Pennsylvania).  All the data used and links are at the bottom of the diary.

When data from all 87 available state polls from the last 30 days is examined, we can see that Barack Obama currently performs significantly better than Hillary Clinton in general election matchups with John McCain.  According to this analysis, Obama currently beats McCain by 303 EV to 235 EV while Clinton only gets 224 EV to McCain's 297 EV (with Michigan tied).  The only states that Clinton carries but Obama does not carry are Arkansas and West Virginia.  On the other hand, the following ten states are ones which Obama carries (in many cases comfortably) but which Hillary loses:

Colorado (average of 2 polls):
Obama 48 - McCain 40
Clinton 38.5 - McCain 48.5

Iowa (average of 3 polls):
Obama 49  - McCain 39.3
Clinton  39.3 - McCain 47.3

Minnesota (average of 2 polls):
Obama 51 - McCain 40
Clinton  44.5 - McCain 45

Nevada (average of 2 polls):
Obama  48 - McCain 39.5
Clinton 40.5 - McCain 49

New Hampshire (average of 2 polls):
Obama 47.5  - McCain 40
Clinton  42 - McCain 45

New Mexico (average of 2 polls):
Obama  47 - McCain 43.5
Clinton 42.5 - McCain 48.5

North Dakota (1 poll available):
Obama 46  - McCain 42
Clinton  35 - McCain 54

Oregon (average of 3 polls):
Obama 48  - McCain 39.7
Clinton  41 - McCain 46.3

Washington (average of 2 polls):
Obama  48 - McCain 41.5
Clinton  42- McCain 47

Wisconsin (average of 3 polls):
Obama  46.7 - McCain 42.3
Clinton 43  - McCain 47.3

Additionally, in the case of Michigan (average of 2 polls), Obama wins against McCain while Hillary ties the Arizona Senator, while in the case of Nebraska (1 poll available), Clinton loses big, while Obama earns 2 out of 5 electoral votes due to that state's unique system of proportional (by Congressional district) electoral vote allocation.

Another significant difference when looking at the average of all 87 available state polls (versus just looking at the SUSA 50) is that Obama does not lose New Jersey and Pennsylvania to McCain.  In fact, the average of 5 available Pennsylvania polls shows that Obama performs slightly better than Hillary when matched against McCain in the Keystone State.  (It should also be noted that Obama does marginally better against McCain than Hillary does in the state of Ohio, according to an average of the 4 available polls from that state).  Last, but not least, is the fact that, according to an average of 4 available state polls, both Democrats lose Florida to John McCain; the Sunshine State may be a tough nut to crack no matter who our nominee is.

One last thought is that, when looking at a map of the most competitive Senate races, we can see that out of the 12 states in that category, Obama performs better than Hillary in the general in 10 of them (Alaska, Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, South Dakota and Virginia) while Hillary does better in only 2 (Louisiana and Mississippi).  In many cases, the difference between how Obama does against McCain and how Hillary does may be the deciding factor in the Senate race.  Obama simply may have much greater coattails.  The difference in some of these states is amazing -- in particular: Alaska -- Obama performs 17 points better than Clinton, Colorado (Obama better by 18 points), Minnesota (11.5 points), Nebraska (24 points), New Hampshire (10.5 points) and Oregon (13.7 points).

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Alabama:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=29a5700a-95ef-4c9f-accf-df8beb 98b04e%20
Obama 40 - McCain 54
Clinton 41 - McCain 51

Alaska:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=38c3275c-cb8a-4138-971b-c3aa77 666fb5%20
Obama 43 - McCain 48
Clinton 34 - McCain 56

Arizona:

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local 78037.php
Obama 38 - McCain 49
Clinton 33 - McCain 57

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=83fb6646-82ae-4875-a6b0-02f5f3 b6d439%20
Obama 39 - McCain 51
Clinton 39 - McCain 54

Arizona average:
Obama 38.5 - McCain 50
Clinton 36 - McCain 55.5

Arkansas:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=32b3487a-6bec-4a4c-a7f4-c57850 828cd8%20
Obama 33 - McCain 53
Clinton 51 - McCain 40

California:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=5d2fe1f3-6232-4fcd-893b-3b9b0b 6d1d15%20
Obama 51 - McCain 40
Clinton 50 - McCain 40

Colorado:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/colorado/colorado_2008_pre sidential_election
Obama 46 - McCain 39
Clinton 35 - McCain 49

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=0ccaa21f-6b0d-43ad-be26-29f8a9 98f6b1%20
Obama 50 - McCain 41
Clinton 42 - McCain 48

Colorado average:
Obama 48 - McCain 40
Clinton 38.5 - McCain 48.5

Connecticut:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=68ad595a-bf7f-4e51-b306-acc555 846f81%20
Obama 55 - McCain 34
Clinton 50 - McCain 40

Delaware:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=0abfe458-d6a1-4601-b308-85eb4a 3fabe9%20
Obama 50 - McCain 41
Clinton 46 - McCain 41

Florida:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1142
Obama 39 - McCain 41
Clinton 42 - McCain 44

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/florida/florida_2008_presi dential_election
Obama 37 - McCain 53
Clinton 43 - McCain 49

http://www.wesh.com/news/15439605/detail .html
Obama 37 - McCain 47
Clinton 40 - McCain 49

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a15d70fd-c3c6-43b6-9491-4211b8 a759ba%20
Obama 45 - McCain 47
Clinton 51 - McCain 42

Florida average:
Obama 39.5 - McCain 47
Clinton 44 - McCain 46

Georgia:

http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/02/14/mc cain-leads-clinton-obama-in-georgia

Obama 40 - McCain 48
Clinton 40 - McCain 47

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a9ab982e-4600-4e42-b734-e1104d d77600%20
Obama 41 - McCain 54
Clinton 35 - McCain 56

Georgia average:
Obama 40.5 - McCain 51
Clinton 37.5 - McCain 51.5

Hawaii:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=fd78c13e-4cd9-4fef-ac69-a678ce 83d9e2%20
Obama 61 - McCain 31
Clinton 43 - McCain 39

Idaho:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=514a919c-eaae-4877-a6cf-cd15e4 c4d3c3%20
Obama 39 - McCain 52
Clinton 27 - McCain 63

Illinois:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=587926a2-3d9e-4641-b541-2d0f22 dc1e58%20
Obama 60 - McCain 31
Clinton 48 - McCain 37

Indiana:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=74fdcc33-174f-401c-9de9-5db5b5 694e1f%20
Obama 41 - McCain 50
Clinton 36 - McCain 53

Iowa:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/iowa/iowa_presidential election
Obama 44 - McCain 41
Clinton 37 - McCain 47

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080224/NEWS09/8022 40333
Obama 53 - McCain 36
Clinton 40 - McCain 49

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d311f039-e374-495c-8753-6178e2 214c6d%20
Obama  50 - McCain 41
Clinton 41 - McCain 46

Iowa average:
Obama 49  - McCain 39.3
Clinton  39.3 - McCain 47.3

Kansas:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=64c1dbf5-5c47-430f-91d0-572481 44a938%20
Obama 41 - McCain 50
Clinton 42 - McCain 51

Kentucky:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=239ba246-9056-42c1-8c70-872113 7b2b55%20
Obama 33 - McCain 54
Clinton 41 - McCain 50

Louisiana:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a6305965-33ef-4453-a603-49173c 210da7%20
Obama 39 - McCain 54
Clinton 41 - McCain 51

Maine:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d96d1864-bd48-49d1-896f-265ba9 db6939%20
Obama  53 - McCain 39
Clinton 48 - McCain 42

Maryland:

http://garesearch.com/Surveys/Maryland_M edia_Poll_March_2008.htm
Obama 51 - McCain 37
Clinton 47 - McCain 40

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a4b23768-54b2-491f-a26f-26c3aa dba6b4%20
Obama  53 - McCain 40
Clinton  49 - McCain 40

Maryland average:
Obama  52 - McCain 38.5
Clinton  48 - McCain 40

Massachusetts:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=5209845a-1902-4acd-9228-bb6d12 47beec%20
Obama 49 - McCain 42
Clinton 55 - McCain 37

Michigan:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/michigan/michigan_2008 _presidential_election
Obama 47 - McCain 39
Clinton 44 - McCain 44

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a2dfde8a-3546-4e73-b6e3-1bf853 4dd899%20
Obama 46 - McCain 45
Clinton 44 - McCain 44

Michigan average:
Obama  46.5 - McCain 42
Clinton  44 - McCain 44

Minnesota:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/minnesota/minnesota_2008_p residential_election
Obama 53 - McCain 38
Clinton 42 - McCain 47

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d1c7131a-2fc6-44c8-a679-763d6e 39dd47%20
Obama  49 - McCain 42
Clinton  47 - McCain 43

Minnesota average:
Obama 51 - McCain 40
Clinton  44.5 - McCain 45

Mississippi:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=6ae5fbf5-dd41-412c-866d-84737d cf9119%20
Obama 41 - McCain 54
Clinton 42  - McCain 51

Missouri:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/missouri/missouri_2008 _presidential_election
Obama 40 - McCain 42
Clinton 42 - McCain 43

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=9a499429-a388-4e22-99fb-e668dc c23958%20
Obama 42 - McCain 48
Clinton 44  - McCain 48

Missouri average:
Obama  41 - McCain 45
Clinton  43 - McCain 45.5

Montana:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=27c10106-9458-449b-adba-e97698 2dcebc%20
Obama 39  - McCain 47
Clinton 33 - McCain 53

Nebraska:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=cd801924-77e9-4f29-bf22-604b5b c8a8a1%20
Obama 42 - McCain 45
Clinton  30 - McCain 57

Nevada:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/nevada/election_2008_n evada_presidential_election
Obama 50 - McCain 38
Clinton 40 - McCain 49

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=fa6a9a88-2618-4b00-bba8-d80f44 0adfb5%20
Obama 46 - McCain 41
Clinton 41 - McCain 49

Nevada average:
Obama  48 - McCain 39.5
Clinton 40.5 - McCain 49

New Hampshire:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/new_hampshire/new_hamp shire_2008_presidential_election
Obama 49 - McCain 36
Clinton 43 - McCain 41

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a0d8b37e-3f33-4250-80cc-ca0eb5 36c32a%20
Obama  46 - McCain 44
Clinton 41 - McCain 49

New Hampshire average:
Obama 47.5  - McCain 40
Clinton  42 - McCain 45

New Jersey:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?Rele aseID=1145
Obama 46 - McCain 39
Clinton 47 - McCain 41

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/new_jersey/new_jersey 2008_presidential_election
Obama 43 - McCain 45
Clinton 50 - McCain 39

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=8a0b8355-3392-4524-a701-2c809c 5ae7d2%20
Obama 43 - McCain 43
Clinton 47 - McCain 42

New Jersey average:
Obama 44  - McCain 42.3
Clinton 48 - McCain 40.7

New Mexico:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/new_mexico/new_mexico_pres idential_election
Obama 44 - McCain 44
Clinton 38 - McCain 50

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=9b6ece02-55ea-42a7-a34c-67a0f4 0631d5%20
Obama 50 - McCain 43
Clinton 47 - McCain 47

New Mexico average:
Obama  47 - McCain 43.5
Clinton 42.5 - McCain 48.5

New York:

http://www.siena.edu/level2col.aspx?menu id=562&id=15083
Obama 47 - McCain 40
Clinton 49 - McCain 42

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=fe99284b-1807-4cf7-9cd2-d975bf bbfd7c%20
Obama 52 - McCain 38
Clinton 55 - McCain 33

New York average:
Obama  49.5 - McCain 39
Clinton  52 - McCain  37.5

North Carolina:

http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/media /poll-results/february-2008-decisionmake r-poll
Obama  36 - McCain 46
Clinton  36 - McCain 48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=31246655-dbd3-449c-a0ff-04da37 159c26%20
Obama  45 - McCain 47
Clinton 41 - McCain 49

North Carolina average:
Obama 40.5 - McCain 46.5
Clinton  38.5 - McCain 48.5

North Dakota:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=178d3004-0c8c-449e-befd-1a3c92 322dbd%20
Obama 46  - McCain 42
Clinton  35 - McCain 54

Ohio:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/ohio/ohio_2008_preside ntial_election
Obama 41 - McCain 42
Clinton 43 - McCain 46

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1142
Obama 40 - McCain 42
Clinton 43 - McCain 44

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/pol itics/blog/2008/02/obama_clinton_strong for_mccai.html
Obama 48 - McCain 47
Clinton 47 - McCain 51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=cba94d6c-f1b7-4a85-8ef2-812406 a2c17c%20
Obama 50 - McCain 40
Clinton 50 - McCain 40

Ohio average:
Obama 44.75 - McCain 42.75
Clinton 45.75 - McCain 45.25

Oklahoma:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=fbcca567-1b81-49a1-bf09-656cd0 54004b%20
Obama 34  - McCain 57
Clinton 42 - McCain 50

Oregon:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpoliti cs/2008/02/Riley%20Report%20-%202-2008.d oc
Obama  46 - McCain 38
Clinton 38  - McCain 46

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/oregon/oregon_2008_pre sidential_election
Obama 49 - McCain 40
Clinton 42 - McCain 45

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=8bff824c-7f47-40c6-8094-e12d5d 108791%20
Obama  49 - McCain 41
Clinton  43 - McCain 48

Oregon average:
Obama 48  - McCain 39.7
Clinton  41 - McCain 46.3

Pennsylvania:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?Rele aseID=1148&What=&strArea=;&s trTime=0
Obama 42 - McCain 40
Clinton 44 - McCain 42

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylva nia_2008_presidential_election
Obama 49 - McCain 39
Clinton 42 - McCain 44

http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/20 08/matchups-by-state/pennsylvania.html
(Morning Call/Muhlenberg College Poll)
Obama 39 - McCain 42
Clinton 42 - McCain 41

http://www.wgal.com/download/2008/0220/1 5357472.pdf
Obama 43 - McCain 44
Clinton 46 - McCain 46

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=491de2e4-9b1b-4369-82af-badf38 3b6d7e%20
Obama 42 - McCain 47
Clinton 47 - McCain 46

Pennsylvania average:
Obama  43 - McCain 42.4
Clinton  44.2 - McCain 43.8

Rhode Island:

http://www.insidepolitics.org/REL208.pdf
Obama 42 - McCain 30
Clinton 43 - McCain 32

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=0058db09-8f4a-4585-8ed1-6b1884 1f66f6%20
Obama  53 - McCain 38
Clinton  54 - McCain 37

Rhode Island average:
Obama 47.5  - McCain 34
Clinton  48.5  - McCain 34.5

South Carolina:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=6bbd8b5b-d2b6-478f-a85c-31c104 dae3c5%20
Obama 45  - McCain  48
Clinton  42 - McCain 48

South Dakota:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/south_dakota/south_dak ota_presidential_election
Obama  38 - McCain 48
Clinton 38 - McCain 50

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=1527fbf1-b9e6-4e6b-9d27-a02710 4e104e%20
Obama  43 - McCain 47
Clinton  40 - McCain 52

South Dakota average:
Obama 40.5 - McCain 47.5
Clinton  39 - McCain 51

Tennessee:

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/mtpoll/s2 008/MTSUPoll_political%20report_s08%20fi nal.htm
Obama 37 - McCain 53
Clinton 41 - McCain 45

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=8e86f07b-b4f0-4c7d-846e-ba4f02 23f35b%20
Obama  38 - McCain 54
Clinton  46 - McCain 46

Tennesse average:
Obama 37.5 - McCain 53.5
Clinton 43.5 - McCain 45.5

Texas:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/t exas.poll/index.html
Obama 44 - McCain 52
Clinton 42 - McCain 55

http://www.beloblog.com/KVUE_Blogs/polit icaljunkie/belopollday5.pdf
Obama 42 - McCain 49
Clinton 46 - McCain 50

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=7f824566-3782-4941-89c0-0cf82b 1cc7ba%20
Obama  46 - McCain 47
Clinton  42 - McCain 49

Texas average:
Obama 44 - McCain 49.3
Clinton 43.3 - McCain 51.3

Utah:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=d2696094-db62-417b-b6c9-02a478 9a067e%20
Obama  39 - McCain 50
Clinton  27 - McCain 65

Vermont:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=80f8ec90-1b53-4175-9dd3-a7b259 30b05b%20
Obama  63 - McCain 29
Clinton  49 - McCain 39

Virginia:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/virginia/virginia_2008 presidential_election
Obama 44 - McCain 49
Clinton 41 - McCain 51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=b1483b76-45c3-4a7e-9bee-c5480e 8a850e%20
Obama  47 - McCain 47
Clinton 40 - McCain 50

Virginia average:
Obama 45.5  - McCain 48
Clinton  40.5 - McCain 50.5

Washington:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/washington/washington
presidential_election
Obama 44 - McCain 45
Clinton 40 - McCain 48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=09121f95-3b09-42c3-9c71-32e149 4e7e25%20
Obama 52  - McCain 38
Clinton  44 - McCain 46

Washington average:
Obama  48 - McCain 41.5
Clinton  42- McCain 47

West Virginia:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=a8387b97-af37-4abb-8240-b99681 05c78c%20
Obama  35 - McCain 53
Clinton 47  - McCain 42

Wisconsin:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/wisconsin/wisconsin_2008_p residential_election
Obama 44 - McCain 43
Clinton  38 - McCain 50

http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/20 08/matchups-by-state/wisconsin.html
(Strategic Vision)
Obama  45 - McCain 44
Clinton 43 - McCain 48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=bf75dbfc-1928-4e73-b544-943f39 557381
Obama 51  - McCain 40
Clinton  48 - McCain 44

Wisconsin average:
Obama  46.7 - McCain 42.3
Clinton 43  - McCain 47.3

Wyoming:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=fe4ed19e-c576-4ea8-a230-522b93 a8dc9a%20
Obama  35 - McCain 54
Clinton  28 - McCain 61



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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (2.00 / 2)

All this work for nothing.  These polls are absolutely meaningless.  So are all these charts.  Wast of your time really.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:43:12 AM EST

Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (2.00 / 1)

Yes - the polls were conducted "during the last 30 days" - an eon during election season.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:46:51 AM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (2.00 / 2)

Well, you are right. But you know what? They are still better than random people pulling BS out of their noses and coming up with the conclusion that Clinton is more electable. At least this is somehow based in reality.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:56:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (none / 0)

TX was won by BHO and OH was tied as per the pollsters. what happenned TX was won by HRC by 4 points and a blowout in OH.

So polls count nothing.

BHO has a problem getting latino , catholic, women and the uneducated voters.


by indus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:26:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV (2.00 / 1)

Well done analysis. The principles used are impeccable and the conclusions are spot on.

Of course everybody knows, math has an obvious Obama bias.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:47:28 AM EST

Re: Obama Beats Hillary (none / 0)

There is a fantasy football league that you may find interesting.  After all the mistakes of the polls in the primaries this is yet another waste of time.  I assume the race is dead even at all times and refuse to believe any candidate has an advantage in the General Election.


by orionwest on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:59:13 AM EST

Re: Obama (with MAPS) (none / 0)

Well that's not what SUSA had up at their site. They had the EC votes basically tied with Obama losing some very large states in the general election like PA and NJ.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:27:29 AM EST

Re: Obama (with MAPS) (2.00 / 1)

this analysis averages in all the SUSA polls but also adds in 37 other state polls recently conducted.


by silver spring on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:31:29 AM EST
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Re: Obama (with MAPS) (none / 0)

I would go with SUSA since they have a better record of accuracy.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:57:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (2.00 / 1)

No doubt the Superdelegates are doing these calculations also. They want to back someone who:

1. can win the GE
2. can help down-ticket races
3. Brings lots of new voters into the system
4. does not energize the Repub base

by Becky G on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:55:37 AM EST

Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (none / 0)

I guess you are saying BHO is the candidate.

The main deal would be to win the GE due to the supreme court nominations. You need HRC

There would be no issue to holding on to the congress and increasing the senate lead by 3 - either candidate.

Do you want to increase the congress hold by 10 and senate by 4 and then lose the WH so that the president can veto the bill.


by indus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:31:13 PM EST
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you of all people (none / 0)

should know that the map will change -

and if you're going with polls, you should be aware of the shift in national polls away from Obama.

IF SUSA did this same poll this week, i bet the results would be different.

then you'd have to just switch sides again


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:12:55 AM EST

Re: you of all people (2.00 / 1)

And what tells you that is not going to change back? Hillary's numbers, by the way, seem to be pretty static or worsening when it comes to GE matchups. Everybody knows her and she is just barely winning.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:14:55 AM EST
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Re: you of all people (none / 0)

Please - She is getting the real democrat vote - who will vote no matter what in the GE. The independents and Repubs who voted for BHO could stay home in the GE or vote for McCain


by indus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:32:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (none / 0)

You're theory is wrong because SUSA shows Hillary winning FL, but Obama loses FL and regarding a tie in MI - Hillary would win this state....

So you are talking about the SAME total EV as Obama.


by nikkid on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:20:19 AM EST

Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (2.00 / 0)

the polling included here includes SUSA but also 3 other Florida state polls -- not sure why the SUSA would necessarily be right & the others wrong ? (or vice versa) .. i think an average of all the available polls gives you a better picture.


by silver spring on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:35:03 AM EST
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Re: Obama Beats Hillary 303 EV to 224 EV in Genera (none / 0)

I always appreciate the thought you put into these analyses.  However, the value of the SUSA poll is not only that they have proven to be much more reliable than other pollsters, there analysis (as compared to yours) is based on much more recent polling.  In other words, there has been a dramatic fall-off in Obama's supposed electability advantage in just a couple of weeks.  The bottom line is that Obama is an unproven, inexperienced candidate.  He may look good on paper now, and even be running a great nomination campaign, but he is very susceptible to a dramatic fall-off in popularity against a war hero like McCain who can peel off independent and moderate voters (Hispanics, working class whites, etc.)


by markjay on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:54:15 AM EST

Excellent diary. (none / 0)

Hillary would be the weakest general election candidate for Democrats since we last ran a party insider unpopular outside the Beltway: Fritz Mondale.

Hillary is Mondale, only more disliked and with less experience. If we want to win, Obama is our best choice, and your numbers prove it.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 01:58:14 PM EST

Re: Excellent diary. (none / 0)

You are a True BHO follower who believed on the pollsters last tuesday that BHO will win TX and OH.


by indus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:34:10 PM EST
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