Kerry-McCain: McCain's Crew Approached the Kerry Campaign

Following up on Todd's post on John McCain blowing up at New York Times reporter Elisabeth Bumiller over a question regarding the much talked about possibility that he would run on a ticket with John Kerry in 2004, I think it's worth going back to the record -- in this case the exclusive interview Kerry had with MyDD just one year ago in which he revealed that it was McCain's staff who had approached the Kerry campaign, not the other way around.


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Jonathan Singer: There's a story in The Hill, I think on Tuesday, by Bob Cusack on the front page of the paper talking about how John McCain's people -- John Weaver -- had approached Tom Daschle and a New York Congressman, I don't remember his name, about switching parties. And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what your discussions were with him in 2004, how far it went, who approached whom... if there was any "there" there.

John Kerry: I don't know all the details of it. I know that Tom, from a conversation with him, was in conversation with a number of Republicans back then. It doesn't surprise me completely because his people similarly approached me to engage in a discussion about his potentially being on the ticket as Vice President. So his people were active -- let's put it that way.

Singer: Okay. And just to confirm, you said it, but this is something they approached you rather than...

Kerry: Absolutely correct. John Weaver of his shop... [JK aswers phone]

In light of the truth revealed in this bombshell, it's no wonder that John McCain got so angry when asked about the potential 2004 Kerry-McCain ticket. Yes, today's exchange between McCain and Bumiller showed once again that the presumptive Republican nominee has trouble keeping his cool when under pressure -- not the type of serious character flaw Americans like to see in a Commander-in-Chief. But I think it goes beyond that as well.

Last April, Kerry had nothing to gain by lying about his interactions with McCain. He wasn't running for President at the time and did not seek out a forum in which to spread the news (it was prompted by a question he presumably had not been asked in some time). On the other hand, McCain, who denied Kerry's contention, had everything to gain by lying about the interaction between his people and Kerry's people -- and still does. Notice that today McCain did nothing to deny the conversations, or even to deny that it was he who reached out to Kerry in 2004.

But it's time for the media to push him on the subject. McCain was able to dispatch the story in a couple days last April, largely because a lot fewer people were paying attention back then and his campaign was already beginning to tank. Today it's a different story. With McCain desperately trying to court the Republican base, don't you think the Republican base would want to know if their presumptive presidential nominee tried to join the Democratic ticket in 2004? I'd certainly want to know if either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama tried to run with George W. Bush four years ago.

So to the media and the conservative blogosphere I say this: The ball's in your court now. We have, on the record, John Kerry explaining his version of events. Let's hear it directly from John McCain himself now, not through his campaign or his surrogates. Did John McCain reach out to defect from his party in 2004? Or is he ready and willing to call his friend John Kerry a liar to the American people and substantiate that accusation?



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Re: Kerry-McCain Redux (2.00 / 1)

The fact that he seriously entertained switching parties and then running with Kerry, before hugging Bush and embracing all of his policies, reallyl does underscore the fact that McCain doesn't have any core convictions that can compete with his own ambition.  


by HSTruman on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:15:55 PM EST

Re: Kerry-McCain Redux (2.00 / 1)

I honestly don't think I'd believe what either one of them said.  McCain for obvious reasons, but I think Kerry has shown he can hold a grudge, and he certainly wasn't happy when McCain threw him under the bus in 2004 in favor of sucking up to Bush - considering what Bush did to McCain in 2000, and how Kerry considered them friends and fellow-veterans and probably expected a little cover from the swiftboating - something he may have gotten from the 2000 McCain.  I don't think it's been a secret that McCain was likely to run in 2008. Payback's a bitch.


by AnnC on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:23:15 PM EST

Re: Kerry-McCain Redux (none / 0)

Can you imagine if John McCain suddenly switched parties to run as a democrat?  What would the republican's do then? I think he should wait until August and then pull out from the republican's and switch to the democratic party to make it more interesting of a presidential race. What do you think?


by politicalpundit on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 06:28:01 PM EST
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Re: Kerry-McCain Redux (none / 0)

"What would the Republicans do then?"

One of the movement wingnuts would probably assassinate him.  Heck, the ones who think Anne Coulter is the voice of god might just do that anyway.


Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama for President! Beat McCain!
by Alex on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:18:02 PM EST
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McCain HAS answered the question (none / 0)

You asked:
We have, on the record, John Kerry explaining his version of events. Let's hear it directly from John McCain himself now, not through his campaign or his surrogates. Did John McCain reach out to defect from his party in 2004?
McCain answered:
Elisabeth Bumiller of the New York Times asked, "Senator, can I ask you about Senator Kerry. I just went back and looked at our story, the Times story, and you told Sheryl Stolberg that you had never had a conversation with Kerry about being about vice president..." McCain testily replied, "Everybody knows that I had a private conversation. Everybody knows that. That I had a conversation. There's no living American in Washington -- that knows that, there's no one." Bumiller: "Okay." McCain: "And you know it, too. You know it. So, I don't even know why you ask." Bumiller: "Well, I ask because I just read..." McCain: "You do know it. You do know it."

by Victor Laszlo on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 12:41:05 AM EST
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Maverick (2.00 / 1)

On the one hand, I am glad who blew up because it makes him look bad. On the other, doesn't this play well-- the story itself- with McCain, Mr. Maverick? Doesn't this help him with independents?


by bruh21 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:26:52 PM EST

Re: Maverick (none / 0)

Maybe, maybe not.  They didn't flock to Kerry, after all.  Moreover, McCain needs both his base and independents in large numbers.  It certainly hurts his standing with his base.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:49:03 PM EST
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Re: Maverick (none / 0)

That's true


by bruh21 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:57:44 PM EST
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Re: The Real John McCain (none / 0)

I don't care what he's like in his personal life. It's his public life that's important. This reminds me of those silly articles they did on Alito's wife crying during his confirmation because the mean Democrats were asking her husband tough questions. Nevermind the fact the questions weren't that tough, all I could think was- okay this man will make decisions that will affect millions of lives, and we are suppose to care about how his wife feels about the questions?


by bruh21 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 07:18:04 PM EST
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Re: Kerry-McCain: McCain's Crew Approached the Ker (2.00 / 1)

This was leaked too early. With proper timing, say October, this would have made ALL of the conservatives stay home.


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:31:01 PM EST

If it was leaked in October (none / 0)

All the conservatives would call it a blatant lie and ignore it.

If we have time to develop it and at least try to check on its veracity (although I'm not sure how we would do that), it could make a difference.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:40:51 PM EST
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Re: Kerry-McCain: McCain's Crew Approached the Ker (none / 0)

Not really.  It was leaked in an interview with bloggers.  Most people don't know this yet.  So, it's been "leaked" but hasn't been "dropped" yet.  The powder's still dry.


"I, even I know the solution: love, music, wine and revolution" -The Magnetic Fields
by CranesAreFlying on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 05:12:20 PM EST
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There's actually a backstory to this... (none / 0)

In late February, 2004, the WaPo first broke the story of Jack Abramoff taking large sums of money from some of his tribal clients, as well as using that money to get involved in tribal politics (fraudulent elections and the like.)  John McCain was a member of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs (often called SIAC) and had a long, nasty history with Abramoff, going back to South Carolina in 2000.  McCain jumped at the opportunity to torpedo Abramoff, and so called a press conference where he announced that he would request the Chairman of SIAC to immediately open hearings into the Abramoff affair.

The Chairman at the time was Ben Nighthorse Campbell.  The night of the press conference, Campbell checked himself into the hospital with chest pains.  Turned out to be indigestion.  However, he shockingly announced days later that he would not be running for his Senate seat, despite having kicked off his campaign with a splash weeks earlier.  Turns out Campbell was a little too cozy with Abramoff, his clients and Italia Federici, the ED of CREA.

In early March, 2004, McCain subpoenaed thousands of emails and documents from Greenberg Traurig, Abramoff's lobbying firm, with a compliance date in late April.  Two weeks after all the documents were produced, McCain sent his adviser John Weaver to meet with Karl Rove, the first meeting between the Bush and McCain camps since the 2000 primary season.  Clearly, they were able to work something out, as John McCain openly endorsed Bush's re-election campaign a week later, and by mid-June, was on the campaign trail with him.  In return, McCain sat on the Abramoff hearings until late in the fall and then only focused on Abramoff and Scanlon (not Delay, Hastert, Norquist, Reed, Ney, Doolittle, etc., etc., ad nauseum,) and heavily redacted most of the smoking guns from the few documents released.

I suspect that McCain used his meeting with Kerry (which Bush's people of course would have known about) as a little extra incentive in his extortion act.  His goal was to become the heir apparent in 2008, not Kerry's lackey.  


by MBW on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:39:03 PM EST

Re: There's actually a backstory to this... (none / 0)

Over my head!


by Zeitgeist9000 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:48:32 PM EST
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Re: There's actually a backstory to this... (2.00 / 1)

I'll try and make it simpler.  

Feb. 28, 2004 - Abramoff story breaks.

March 4, 2004 - McCain calls for hearings, subpoenas Abramoff documents.

Mid-April, 2004 - Thousands of documents, many of which expose the connections between Abramoff and the Bush White House and Delay/Hastert Congress, land on McCain's desk.  If released, they would surely sink Bush's re-election campaign.

Mid-May, 2004 - McCain sends Weaver to meet with Rove (Rove's executive assistant was Abramoff's until 2001.)  Weaver also meets with Kerry around this time.

June, 2004 - McCain endorses Bush, joins him on campaign trail.  Abramoff hearings scheduled for June are postponed until late September, and then only one of three is held before the Nov. election.  Bush supports McCain as his heir in 2008, directs his fundraising "Pioneers" his way.

June-Nov, 2004 - none of the dirt in the 90,000 Abramoff documents is released prior to the election.  McCain sits on the docs until pressure builds the following spring.  Even then, he never subpoenas Norquist or Reed, despite evidence they are as guilty as Abramoff.

It was all about extortion.  McCain isn't a traitor - he's a blackmailer.


by MBW on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 05:02:04 PM EST
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Re: Kerry-McCain: McCain's Crew (2.00 / 1)

What I would like to see at the convention is for Kerry to give a 20-minute speech on this very subject, immediately before the nominee comes out.  This would jab a red-hote poker into the very heart of the Republican base.  They have to know that they are supporting a Benedict Arnold.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:46:32 PM EST

Re: Kerry-McCain: McCain's Crew (none / 0)

Ha Ha.  Or couch it in backhanded praise.  "But John McCain has served his country over the years, and we don't disagree on every issue.  In fact, he offered to be my VP".  It would be brutal!


"I, even I know the solution: love, music, wine and revolution" -The Magnetic Fields
by CranesAreFlying on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 05:23:22 PM EST
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