Why Do We Reward Politicians Who Swift Boat, Throw the Kitchen Sink?

In America politics today, pundits and media reward politicians and say how smart they are when the politician uses Bully tactics and an "assualt-like" mentality when they tear their opponents down by smear, distortions and lies --"swift boating", throwing the kitchen sink. The news media and pundits like to Praise the unscrupulous Politician up instead of disavowing them. The pundits like to say how Brilliant they are;  What a Victory they say; what a Comeback Kid; and justify their use of  Negative Ads and reward the worst in us -- this low and base behavior which should be outgrown as a humanitarian society.   How many good and decent men have gone down because they were unfairly swiftboated by their opponents, mischaracaterized by those who have no morals or ethics.  Something is wrong with that picture.

There is nothing brilliant about lies, distortions, peddling fear, swiftboating, and an assassination of one's character, it's not a physical killing but a killing just the same, an emotional theft and mental crime.  There's no Honor in that, because it's slander and distortion of the worse kind and should not be rewarded or esteemed as characteristics we need to emulate within our society.  Do we emulate the school yard bully? Or the thief who steals one's life's earnings?    It's Dirty Politics and should be called what it is, a crime.  If America is to ever become better than what she is and live up to her Destiny, than we must disavow this kind of tactics because it has no place in Democracy's arms, no place in a sane and peaceful society.

Running a country is serious business and it is not a game, it is not acting.  It's the  governing of people and their lives and should be taken as a solemn oath and duty.  Dirty politics should not be looked up to as a virtue and politicians should not be allowed to swiftboat their opponent, for the sake of gain by any means at any cost.  

There is a Right way to Fight and a Wrong way to Fight.  Victory based on lies and cheating should not be condoned.  There should be campaign laws about this kind of unscrupulous politicking.  It should not be rewarded with the highest office in the land. It should be called what it is a Crime.

America is only as good as her politicians and leaders.



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Please... (2.00 / 1)

Even defined in its worse, neither campaign has swifted boated one another. Swift boating isn't just a tactic you disapprove of, which could be anything from an ad or a sharp contrast line, swift boating is flatout lying in a dishonorable way to smear an an opponent and using your smear as your message.

Every time you call every jab at your candidate swift boating the word loses its meaning and republicans get away with what they did and still do.

You're like the boy who cries wolf.


by world dictator on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:09:20 AM EST

Why can't you just say what you feel? (2.00 / 2)

Given that you haven't mentioned any name(s) in this diary, I had to go back and look at your diary history.  

So, Clinton is a swift-boater now?  Please.  Grow up, man.  

I seem to recall President Clinton's words intentionally twisted and never refuted by the Obama campaign.  President Clinton pointed out inconsistencies in Obama's rhetoric on Iraq over the years, calling the "accepted" story of Obama's position a "fairy tale". And what happened?  These words were deliberately twisted to make it appear that President Clinton was calling Obama's campaign a fairy tale.  And how was that used?  It was used to rally African-Americans both TO Obama's campaign and AGAINST Clinton's campaign.  

Here's an actual memo prepared and disseminated by the South Carolina Press Secretary for Obama.  I haven't edited any part of the memo, so it does contain the drug remarks made by Shaheen in New Hampshire.  I personally don't see how those comments were "dirty" given the fact that Obama's already admitted to drug use, but that's up to individuals' judgement.  What IS important in this are examples of how Obama's campaign tried to ratchet up racial animus against Clinton. As an additional example: Senator Clinton's benign remarks about how Martin Luther King, Jr.'s heroic cause for civil rights still required the political courage by a president with the bully pulpit to get passed into law.  This was turned into some kind of denigration of Dr. King.  Shameless.

So, before you go out intimating swift boating and other nonsense, you better be wary of your candidate's glass house.

Memo:

Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons

SHUCK AND JIVE

Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said "You Can't Shuck
And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
Don't Work When You're In Someone's Living Room." Clinton-supporting New
York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that's great about New
Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than "shuck and
jive" through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
Albany radio station: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy
your way into it. You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living
room." [Newsday, 1/11/08]

MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising "False Hope" Said That While MLK
Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
Who Got Legislation Passed: "It Took A President To Get It Done." Clinton
rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in
Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama's
rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
Kennedy and King. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to
get it done." [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
introducer: "If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
work and got the republicans to pass all those measures." [HRC, Dover, NH,
1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

NELSON MANDELA

Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. "I
have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
last hundred years. [...] I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year
and we're still very close. [...] But if you said to me, 'You've got one last
job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life
and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one
other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions [...] I would
pick Hillary.'" [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regret[s] The
Comments." The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama's having been so open -- as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further
queries on the matter. It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way." [ABC News, 12/12/07]

Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen's Obama Drug
Use Comments, Used The Word "Cocaine," Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
Shaheen's comments about Obama's drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama's
cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
"cocaine" deliberately. Mark Penn said "Well, I think we have made clear
that the -- the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator." Joe Trippie
responded and said "I think he just did it again. He just did it again. ...
This guy's been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again."
[Politico, 12/13/07; Video]

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." [Politico, 1/8/08]

Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America


by DaTruth on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:14:10 AM EST

Re: Why can't you just say what you feel? (2.00 / 0)

 DING  DING  DING. BECAUSE IT WORKS AND WE CAN EXPECT IT FROM REPUGS IN THE GE.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:23:35 AM EST
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Re: Why can't you just say what you feel? (none / 0)

But didn't Clinton surrogates actually say these things?


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:58:17 AM EST
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Re: Why can't you just say what you feel? (none / 0)

Donna Brazile lost the 2000 election for Gore.  She was his campaign manager.  It's to bad she didn't have strong direction in 2000


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:55:22 AM EST
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I can explain in two words (none / 0)

Group Psychology.

Politicians ahve played to that literally for millenia.

If Obama doesn't come back in the same vein, he could be pushed out by the super delegates in Denver. He has to now get down in that mud and roll around,just like Hillary. He has to go kitchen sink on her.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:24:47 AM EST

Re: Walt, lol (none / 0)

Bullshit.

Obama has never gone negative. Just because Clinton went race-baiting on Obama and got called on it is no reason to lie.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:09:13 AM EST
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Re: Why Do We Reward Politicians Who Swift Boat, T (none / 0)

Most voters in TX and OH thought Clinton waged more unfair negative attacks than Obama.  But they just didn't care.

People in some states punish negativity.  Wisconsin was one of those.  But in a lot of places, it doesn't matter.

As an Obama supporter, I think that his campaign needs to learn from this.  People will believe the Muslim smears unless you tell them otherwise. He has to fight Clinton back more effectively.

And Obama has to refrain from "vetting" Clinton more vigorously.  Obama is facing the sorts of attacks Republicans would wage, but Clinton has not.  You know that they will not hold back on all the scandals involving fundraising, etc. that are associated with Hillary and Bill Clinton.  He hasn't wanted to do so because it went against his view of the sort of candidate and campaign he preferred.  But more needs to get out there. Of course the Clintons will complain and charge gender bias.  But this should not stop him.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:33:52 AM EST

Re: you know what will happen if he is the nominee (none / 0)

You're right. He needs to more effectively respond to the smears.

Of course that doesn't excuse Clinton from furthering them on 60 Minutes.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:59:15 AM EST
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and if she is the nominee? (none / 0)

Clinton will face lots of slime she is not facing now. She is not getting tested the way Obama is.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:00:09 AM EST
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Re: and if she is the nominee? (2.00 / 1)

Grow up. Tested and ready on day 1.If you cannot understand this then go to dilykos and join the navel gazing.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:03:17 AM EST
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Re: Why Do We Reward Politicians (2.00 / 1)

I have heard this before, most recently (I think)  by John McCain:

If you lay down with dogs, you're going to get some fleas.

When Obama stood by and let the Clinton's be portrayed as racists by his campaign supporters, most notably Jesse Jackson Jr (I wonder if he's as big a disappointment to his father as W is?), did he really think that wasn't playing dirty? That there would be no push-back? As my kids like to say "don't dish it out if you can't take it".


by AnnC on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:13:04 AM EST

Re: Why Do We Reward Politicians (2.00 / 1)

Your points are absolutely correct. The Obama campaign however felt that as long as Barack was out front talking hope and new politics that the dirty shit he orchestrated behind the scenes couldn't be pinned on him. I can't tell you how many people that decried the Obama tactics prefaced their response with, well we don't hold Obama responsible for this. But all of that is the entire unreality of the Obama lie. He pretends to be one thing in public and is quite another behind closed doors.


by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:57:22 AM EST
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Re: Why Do We Reward Politicians Who Swift Boat, T (2.00 / 2)

"Clinton will face lots of slime she is not facing now. She is not getting tested the way Obama is."

Hillary has faced getting slimed for 20 years, she will not only weather it from the Republicans, she will hit back so fast, long and hard they won't know what hit them.

It was artful watching how her campaign kept up a steady daily drumbeat of challenges to Obama in the last 5 days, so they never gave him a chance to really pushback and put any issue to rest, before the next awful item was shoved to the top of the news cycle. It was like a ballet in it's seamless timing. I think that Maggie is really making a tremendous difference in the campaign. Even BO outspending her 2 to 3:1 couldn't undo the effectiveness of her campaign.

For so long now it has seemed that the candidate is so much better than the campaign. I think the campaign may be getting up to speed.

Oh, and about your diary above, I think this primary contest has been very, very civil and restrained, it's really a very gentle contest compared to what the GE will bring. Watch out for the oncoming rush of 527s, they will hit like Katrina.


by 07rescue on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:21:34 AM EST

The math won (2.00 / 1)

Today,the math favors Obama even more than it did yesterday.

Why?

The margin of victory required for Clinton to catch up increased dramatically. Without blowouts in delegate pickups last night, the math gets worse.

Obama will still lead by about 150 pledged delegates after last night. There are 611 pledged delegates up for grabs between now and the end of the Puerto Rico Caucus.

To catch up in pledged delegates, Clinton must win 380 of the remaining delegates. That's 62% of ALL remaining delegates. Electorally, that means 30 point blowouts in all remaining contests.

The math won last night.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:23:20 AM EST


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