Republicans For Hillary?

My Republican Dad e-mailed me yesterday to alert me to the effort among conservatives to vote for Hillary Clinton so that "the campaign will continue right to the convention," an effort Rush Limbaugh is spearheading on his radio show. As he puts it:

I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

I've largely ignored the story because we've seen talk of this cross-over effect before, most recently in Virginia and Wisconsin, but in those states Republican voters broke for Barack by 49% and 44% respectively.

But that was then, when the Republican primary race was more competitive than it is today and according to The Cleveland Plain Dealer blog, Republicans are switching to vote in the Democratic primary in record numbers (h/t TPM.)

For whom are they voting and why? The post's anecdotal evidence suggests Clinton may do pretty well among Ohio Republicans today, for a variety of reasons.

One woman voted for Clinton in hopes of delivering John McCain a weaker debate opponent. Another picked Obama because her vote could help deny Clinton and her husband a return trip to the White House.

A 69-year-old Catholic nun, Sister Ann Marie, was converted to the Clinton camp because of the former first lady's experience. John Baggett, another ex-Republican for Clinton, said he simply wanted to switch, and Clinton represented a known commodity.

"I'm happy with Republicans, in general," Baggett, 50, said. "I don't believe they've done a good job the last eight years."

In Strongsville, middle-aged couple Lucy and Pete See -- longtime Republicans -- both voted for Hillary Clinton. "I like that she has more experience in foreign affairs," Pete See said. "The Republican candidate was older than me.

Lucy See said she voted for Clinton as well. "I want to be part of makiing history," she said.

In North Ridgeville, pollworkers said that by noon nearly 50 Rebublicans had switched to vote Democrat, the highest crossover since the 2000 election.

Most of the focus on the cross-over vote has been on Texas, but since the Republican contest is tighter there, we may actually see more of an impact of Republicans on the Democratic race in Ohio, something to look for tonight.



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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

Right, and how many times have the Clinton backers here posted that Obama was only winning because Republicans were backing him since he was such an easy mark in the general?

At least Hillary has locked up the primary endorsements of Limbaugh and Coulter...


by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:48:50 PM EST

Re: Republicans For Hillary? (2.00 / 3)

And how many Obama backers said it's a good thing that he has "republican support"


by rolnitzky on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:55:49 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (none / 0)

I only heard them say it was a good thing when republicans actually supported Obama and his politics and plans, not voting for him to take down Hillary or, etc. etc.


by Quinton on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:01:00 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

That's very good news for Hillary,

It's what Obama claimed to have had.

3 of those 4 Republicans said they are switching to Democrats because of Clinton, while the Republicans for Obama only voted to stop Clinton.


by rolnitzky on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:03 PM EST

What you're not getting (2.00 / 1)

is they are switching to Hillary because they think she is the weaker candidate - not because they like her.  Most of the Reps voting for Obama are voting for him because they like him.  Big difference.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:58:35 PM EST
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Re: What you're not getting (2.00 / 1)

Or so you say, I am not sure that is the entire reason for republicans who support Obama. It could be that they think he is easier to take down, or just plain old Hillary hatred, which would not translate to a vote for Obama in Nov.


by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:59:38 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (none / 0)

3 out of 4 anecdotes can't be wrong...


by Brillobreaks on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:59:43 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (none / 0)

OT re garding the GOP

Many believe McCain's denial of being linked to lobbists:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/ 20080304/ap_ca/on_the2008_trail


by bruh21 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:36 PM EST

Even though I support Hillary, I want this (2.00 / 2)

to be a DEMOCRATIC victory. I didn't like it when Republicans were voting for Obama and I don't like it when they vote for Hillary - at least not in our primary. Open primaries need to go the way of the dinosaur. Open primaries suck! Let Democrats decide who the Democratic nominee is going to be and let the repugs do whatever it is they do somewhere else...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:49 PM EST

Re: Even though I support Hillary, I want this (none / 0)

Thanks for being coherent.
Indeed, many Hillary supporters were complaining about crossover votes before so I hope many more will join you into being intellectually honest and not being happy about it, even if now Hillary would benefit.
by Benjaminomeara on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:58:02 PM EST
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I think its great to have open primaries (none / 0)

we are looking for the best candidate not the most politically connected candidate.  Closed primaries, like we have here in PA, are rife with cronyism and political favors. They give the people less of a voice.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:03:39 PM EST
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Re: I think its great to have open primaries (none / 0)

Closed primaries are also no way to build a party.  

There are more independents in this country than there are either Democrats or Republican.  Telling that large of of a group of voters that they aren't allowed to participate in the process for picking a candidate is stupid.  

We want them participating.  We need them participating.  We need our candidates reaching out to them and campaigning to them in the primaries, not ignoring them until the fall because they aren't members of the party.  


by Brillobreaks on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:15:40 PM EST
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Re: I think its great to have open primaries (none / 0)

The can participate any time they like by joining the party in question, if not then they shouldn't have a say in who the PARTY selects as their nominee.


by Quinton on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:21:25 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I don't know how many Rush-ites could pull the trigger once they were in the voting booth.

Sucks for the down ballot races, that's for sure.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:56 PM EST

Re: Republicans For Hillary? (none / 0)

Gee, wasn't there a inappropriate frothing over this kind of thing from Hillary supporters recently?  When it seemed that Republicans might actually have been voting for Obama and not against Clinton.

And now that Limbaugh and Coulter have proposed an intentional disruptive strategy?  Crickets...


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:09 PM EST

Isn't it (2.00 / 2)

Obama and his supporters who keep pushing the "be a Democrat for a day" thing?

So what if they do become a Democrat for a day but vote for Clinton instead?

Maybe this would piss me off more, if Obama and crew had not activly worked to get repugs to cross over because he could not get enough REAL Democrats to vote for him.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:27 PM EST

Re: Isn't it (none / 0)

It wasn't the Obama campaign that pushed the "democrat for a day" thing. It was one volunteer who got a bright idea and made his own flyer.


by Quinton on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:59:46 PM EST
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hm (2.00 / 1)

That just happened to go everywhere? With no help from the O campaign?

hm.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:03:44 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I, as a Hillary supporter, DO NOT want crossover support from Republicans to be the reason for her win (same way I do not like it when Obama runs Republican for a day).

Let's hope the republican numbers are 50/50 and can be treated as a giant yawn.


by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:58:51 PM EST

Re: Republicans For Hillary? (1.50 / 2)

I've always thought Republicans were weird anyway but their voting for a Democrat, for whatever reason, is a cynical move to alter the Democratic primary. It's just nuts that the DNC changed the rules to let them do it.

Voting for Obama to take Hillary out is nuts.

Voting to Hillary to take Obama out is also done for a nutty reason. Hillary will be far stronger against McCain in a debate and as a candidate in general. Sure , McCain has loads of great experience but his ideology, attitudes, priorities and goals are out of whack. Hillary is who this country needs for strong, effective leadership on all the right issues.


by Nobama on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:00:17 PM EST

Your sign in is an insult (none / 0)

You Hillary folks don't like Billary. so don't be a hypocrite - change your sign in name.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:06:57 PM EST
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Re: Republicans For Hillary? (none / 0)

What goes around, Comes around.

Obama fans were jumping up & down when Republicans were voting for Barack in 6 previous states. Even if these Republicans were voting for him for the wrong reasons- They wanted to knock out Hillary.

Now, many Republicans are voting for Hillary Clinton for the right reasons.

Did you notice Todd's quotes.

Its all about who is more qualified to run this country. Practically all those interviewed felt Hillary is qualified to run this country while Obama is not.

Republicans may be GUILTY of a Very Different way of how America should be, but if there is one thing you cannot accuse Republicans of- They do LOVE America just as much as Democrats do.

Did you see the Texas General Election Matchups against McCain last Saturday?

Inspite of All the Obama Positive 11 win streak & the One Sided Media Bias, Hillary Clinton is a MUCH STRONGER Democrat against McCain in Texas.


by labanman on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:11:15 PM EST

Re: Republicans For Obama (none / 0)

This tactic has been used by Republicans for Obama since the start of the primary season. It's Republican crossover votes that have been giving Obama his wins in the red states.

Open Primary has become Open Season. It's time for Democrats to take back their party and do away with Open Season Open Primaries.

Remember the email RFOs started circulating in Texas a couple weeks ago?  copy follows:

Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!  
On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's (and Bill's) presidential ambitions once and for all!  Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot.  ....

VOTING DEMOCRATIC THIS ONE TIME WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON YOUR ABILITY TO VOTE REPUBLICAN IN THE NEXT PRIMARY OR OBVIOUSLY ON YOUR VOTE IN NOVEMBER.  SINCE JOHN MCCAIN HAS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION LOCKED UP, VOTING FOR MCCAIN OR HUCKABEE AT THIS POINT WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done!  Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. ...  For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama.  Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th.


by moevaughn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:49:53 PM EST


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