Hillary: "I have the experience to run against McCain"

by LindaSFNM, Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:55:14 AM EST

I understand that people seem to fancy the distortion tactics we see so frequently as a means to further a bias as we see from political reporters or strategists, but doesn't it go a bit far to make a false claim?

A blogger actually posts a diary with a claim "Hillary:McCain would be better than Obama", and no where is that supported in the few quotations distorted from the CBS blog that he linked from a couple of days ago.

Truly sad that Countdown actually picked up this piece to report on, furthering their distorted and biased coverage they have been conducting for months now.

He knew he had to be honest and stated ever so briefly  and quickly in between the statement he was reading "talking about a campaign aganst him {McCain]" and then leads Rachel for a response to his liking.  

The fact is, Hillary WAS talking about who would be best to run against Mc Cain.  Acknowledging what he will run on and what she can run on.  And for so many spinners to actually try to claim " Hillary said McCain would be a better President" is a lie and should be ashamed.

On running a campaign against candidate McCain, Hillary said,

March 1 Dallas,

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

Gee, much different than a blogger claiming Hillary was endorsing MC CAIN, huh?

And quite disappointing that Keith would have distorted what the conversation was.  Does Keith really expect Hillary to say, 'gee I think Obama, with his litle experience would be able to run against McCain better than I can with my extensive experience'?  Please.  But should we expect anything less than he's been displaying along with all the other commentators at MSNBC?  Sadly, not anymore.

But at least we can get the facts without their help.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01/ politics/fromtheroad/entry3896372.shtml




Tags: Hillary Clinton, Keith Olbermann, Countdown, Rachel Maddow, experience, president, democrat, . experience, Barack Obama (all tags)

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Well.. (none / 0)

I think what irked people is that she complimented McCain(Republican) while in the same breath demeaned Obama(Democrat).


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:10:05 AM EST

She did not (1.50 / 2)

compliment mccain, She simple stated facts.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:18:33 AM EST
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Re: She did not (none / 0)

"He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." - Hillary Rodham Clinton.

That is verbatim.  I think it's pretty clear.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:22:42 AM EST
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Re: She did not (none / 0)

How odd it is that she needs to mention that McCain has never been president.  But she doesn't add the same qualifier to herself.  

Perhaps she thinks of herself as having been president.  Not that I would begrudge her that.  I always considered the Clinton Whitehouse as a family operation, and I suspect most people saw them as a political team more than any other past presidential marriages.  She was a full partner.

But she is happy to separate herself from Bill when it comes to matters that could hurt her politically, like NAFTA.  She's responsible for all the good things, not responsible for any of the bad things.

Here's the bigger problem that sticks in my craw.  The Clintons had eight years to do everything they wanted to do or could try to do.  Eight years.  And yet they need eight more years.  How many years of our lives will they consume?

It's time for some new faces, inexperienced or not.  So I've never been impressed by the experience argument.  I wasn't impressed when Bush Sr. used it against Bill Clinton back in 92, and I was a Republican back then!


by Dumbo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:39:56 AM EST
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Actually (2.00 / 1)

you did just as the MSM does. You took that quote out of context.

As stated in the diary above:

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:40:27 AM EST
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Re: Actually (none / 0)

You don't seem to know what it means to take something out of context.   Look, I don't really care.  It's as much a non-issue for me as that comment she made on 60 Minutes the other night.  Just please, admit to YOURSELF that your candidate isn't perfect.  I know mine isn't. I have no delusions.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:19:58 AM EST
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WOW! (none / 0)

An Obama supporter that ADMITS Obama is not perfect! That is a first!

I have never said ANY politician is perfect or any human being, but YOU seem to be insinuating that I have said this.

I do know what out of context means. By you not including the first part of the quote, it misleads and misreads.

So let me ask you this? Are you insinuating that I am delusional?


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:29:15 AM EST
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Re: WOW! (1.00 / 1)

Yes.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:33:02 AM EST
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Since that is what you are saying about me (1.00 / 1)

I guess I get to say this. You are an ass.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:38:29 AM EST
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Re: Since that is what you are saying about me (1.00 / 1)

No, you don't get to say this.

In this short exchange, you ridiculed an Obama supporter because he admitted that his candidate is not perfect - while you were unable to admit that it was a stupid mistake of Clinton to say what she just said, stupid enough a quote so that it may very well appear in some McCain ad sooner or later. That is why Democrats should not attack each other from the right and should not attack each other in a way that can be used by the Republicans. Most of all, they shouldn't do that after the primary is all but decided.


by marcotom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:35:23 AM EST
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Re: Since that is what you are saying about me (none / 0)

My god. Did you even read the exchange in total? Be biased if you want but don't give me shit.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:55:29 AM EST
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you are digging (2.00 / 1)

for what you want it to say or mean.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:41:57 AM EST
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Re: you are digging (none / 0)

If you opened your eyes, you'd realize that I didn't dig for anything.  I didn't take anything out of context.  I pointed to the quote at first, then I posted the quote, and stated the fact of the matter.   She pointed to her experience and McCain's experience as things they'd take to the White House, while Obama only has a speech he gave.

"The truth shall set you free."


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:18:17 AM EST
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If YOU (2.00 / 1)

would open your eyes then maybe you would SEE that what YOU posted was NOT the whole quote.

Once AGAIN...

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

Why is it so hard for you to see and understand that she is talking about what MCCAIN would do and will do and contrasting that with what she will do and the lack of the same that Obama would be able to do.

This is not a fantasy, she did NOT endorse mccain, she did not state that mccain would be better. Her experiance and mccains experiance are totally DIFFERENT, but mccain will still put it forth and some people will go DUH... OK... he's that maverick. ... right?


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by kevin22262 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:37:33 AM EST
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Re: If YOU (none / 0)

So why does she mention her own experience between mentioning McCain's experience and mentioning Obama's speech?   She's saying what each of them will put forward.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:43:42 AM EST
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Re: If YOU (none / 0)

I posted it at the bottom of this thread... check out the link posted at "Breaking Blue", and then please let me know how this is taken out of context.

She does not talk about how the race will shape up... she says that both she and John McCain will bring "experience" to the White House versus Obama who brings a speech.

So, this is a theme, apparently, now... since she's been saying it at several occasions.


by leshrac55 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:51:42 AM EST
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Re: If YOU (2.00 / 2)

 

 Good God. This is what we want when dealing with special interest groups. Someone who is willing to go for the jugular. Sitting down and holding hands with them just won`t work.If we take that route you can kiss health care good bye forever.


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by gunner on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:28:28 AM EST
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Re: Well.. (1.66 / 3)

Well, BO's been doing that all along -- saying former president Clinton was not an inspirational leader like Reagan, and Clinton was more like Nixon. Yeah, BO is always standing up for Democrats...give me a break.

Hillary wasn't promoting McCain, just articulating his argument...he's been making it all week.


by seattlegonz on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:35:49 AM EST
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Re: Well.. (2.00 / 2)

EXACTLY.


by LindaSFNM on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:39:31 AM EST
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Re: Well.. (none / 0)

Bill Clinton was well on his way to being the Mount Rushmore/Ronald Reagan of the Democratic Party before this campaign began.  By that, I mean a political legacy figure so deeply immersed in party praise as to be almost mythically detached from reality.  He might have been up there with Kennedy.

Now, he's the race-baiting guy.  

It seems to me, they took a big risk with the Clinton legacy with this campaign.  They rolled the dice, and they have lost it.  Of COURSE the other candidates had to chisel away at that just a little.  In retrospect, Obama has run one of the most positive campaigns in history for a season this long.  You might try to equate Obama's campaign with Obama-supporter-bloggers, who have had many very negative things to say about Clinton, but that's not quite the truth.  The campaign itself was very clean and issues-oriented.

It seems to me that the Clintons have only tarnished themselves.


by Dumbo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:45:05 AM EST
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History will tell (2.00 / 2)

History will tell the truth about Obama's campaign which used reverse race card against Bill Clinton. What Obama did to Bill Clinton in South Carolina was an absolute disgrace to all those people who fought against racism in this country.

People will talk about what happened in South Carolina for a long time even after all the media hype about Obama dies down. I will never forget or forgive what Obama campaign did against Bill Clinton and against the integrity of Democratic party. Obama might win the nominee but he is already a loser in so many ways.


by praxis1 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:59:43 AM EST
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Re: History will tell (none / 0)

Our party is doomed.  Doomed, I say.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:21:00 AM EST
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Re: History will tell (2.00 / 1)

Stop spreading lies. Unless you can prove that the Obama campaign did ever claim that the Clintons are racists, where in fact Obama publicly defended Clinton and told people to stop bickering - Please, do us a favor and STFU.


by marcotom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:38:00 AM EST
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Re: History will tell (none / 0)

Couse as much as you want. It won't change a thing. Here is the memo Obama camp sent to "activists" to exploit the racial attack against Bill Clinton. If you want to defend your candidate, at least have some facts on your side.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html


by praxis1 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:44:52 AM EST
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Re: History will tell (none / 0)

Couse--> Curse


by praxis1 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:46:33 AM EST
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Re: Well.. (2.00 / 1)

My experience has been that BO has run the most vicious and cynical primary campaign I've ever seen.  To say it has been positive is delusional.

Yes, President Bill Clinton did many great things for the country and for the democratic party.


by seattlegonz on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:36:20 PM EST
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Re: Hillary: "I have the e (none / 0)

final zogby poll ,

clinton leading in texas , tied in ohio

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?I D=1461


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by lori on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:31:55 AM EST

Re: Hillary: "I have the e (none / 0)

Anything less than twin double-digit victories for Hillary is a loss.  Even if she wins by 10 points in Ohio, she probably won't net more than 10-15 delegates.. at best..  keep in mind, Obama's campaign targets delegates.  To date, there has NOT been a single election night when Hillary won more delegates than Obama.  They tied in NH, he got 1 more than her in Nevada, and he won the delegate count on Super Tuesday.  In Texas, even if she wins by 10 points, she may get less than 10 delegates. The delegate math heavily favors him there.

Hillary needs landslides, not victories, to come back.  It's not going to happen.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:15:09 AM EST
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Re: Hillary: "I have the e (2.00 / 1)

This whole "she can't  win the delegates" junk is just junk. Neither of them win the needed number of delegates...neither of them. He can't win either...do you get that?


by seattlegonz on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:38:35 PM EST
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Not out of context (2.00 / 2)

Check out the link that's posted on mydd on the right side under "Breaking Blue".  It has a video of what she said.  I'll transcribe it for you:

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House... and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Note that the wording isn't about the arguments that can be made in a general election.  It's about what the candidates BRING TO THE WHITEHOUSE.

So please, tell me how we're misinterpreting this... or how this isn't basically an endorsement of McCain over Obama.  Tell me how this isn't essentially a perfect ad for McCain to use in the general election.


by leshrac55 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:11:55 AM EST

Hillary's Scorched Earth (none / 0)

I cannot believe that Hillary would compare McCain favourably to Obama at this stage in the Democratic nomination.  I realise that it is an attempt to make herself look like a more suitable nominee, which I would dispute anyhow, but it is not a tactic which she is entitled to use no matter how desperate she is to defeat her Democratic opponent.

I hope all the uncommitted superdelegates get to see her make that unfavourable distinction.  She had better win this as she is burning her bridges and appears willing to stop at nothing where winning is concerned.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:54:42 AM EST

this will be all over very soon (none / 0)

I cannot wait for the day that Hillary has to look into a camera and finally say/do something thats in the best interest of the Party, rather than her own personal glory.

I know it will be hard for her to do - I imagine a few tears might show up...but still, I will definitely be popping a bottle that night.


by highgrade on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:00:48 PM EST


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