Presidential campaigning in wild, wonderful West Virginia

Good afternoon. I'm Carnacki, founder of West Virginia Blue, a group blog in West Virginia. I'll be writing on the presidential primary race in West Virginia here weekly until the May 13 primary. (Jerome's also kindly agreed to allow me to post a weekly diary on the WV-02 race pitting Democrat Anne Barth, a favorite of the local netroots and the DCCC, against rightwing, ineffective Bush Republican Shelley Moore Capito).

To be honest, it's been such a long time since West Virginia's primary mattered in a presidential race that we're not used to it.

West Virginia is a state of contradictions. Take the Eastern Panhandle, where one of the fastest growing counties in the country is located. It has become an outer suburb of Washington, D.C., with large McMansions built not far from dilapidated house trailers. Or McDowell County, the core of Appalachia. If any county fits the stereotypical view, it is McDowell. Yet it is the home of State Del. Clif Moore, an African American and a defender of a bill to extend anti-discrimination protection to gay people.

And a state that touts its natural beauty also is busy allowing the coal companies to literally destroy the mountains and hollows, using more explosive force than was used at Hiroshima through mountaintop removal.

To continue forward with the contradictory nature of the state,  polls consistently have showed Sen. Hillary Clinton with a commanding lead if she faced John McCain in the general and against Sen. Barack Obama in the primary. Yet two of the state's biggest political names, Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Rep. Nick Rahall have endorsed Barack Obama and the grassroots support has seemed to consistently favor Obama (here's one example).

For the record, I'm supporting whoever the Democratic nominee is.

Here's a wrapup of some of the recent diaries on the race on West Virginia Blue with a focus on coal and the environment.

Former President Bill Clinton made a campaign appearance Wednesday.

With West Virginia among eight remaining primary contests, former President Bill Clinton blasted critics who say his wife should quit the race for party unity.
Clinton told crowds in Parkersburg, Chesapeake and Beckley that complaints about the divisiveness of the Democrats' long-running primary contest are overblown.

"Let's saddle up and have an argument," he told an audience of hundreds in Parkersburg. "What's wrong with that?"

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But Clinton told crowds they shouldn't vote for his wife based on his administration, but should take into account her plans for the country.

"It's not just my record, it's Hillary's conviction," he said.

Clinton touted his wife's proposals on the economy, health care, education and the war in Iraq. With coal trucks driving by outside his Chesapeake stop, he made the same pitch for developing clean coal technology that he made in Parkersburg and Beckley.

Saying clean coal technology could be exported to major coal-burning countries like China and India, Clinton insisted he makes the same pitch in non-coal states like California.

"This is a way we can save the planet and bring good jobs back to West Virginia," he told a cheering Beckley audience.

Actually the Orwellian named "clean coal" technology may appease voters in the coal counties, but it cannot "save the planet" and may actually be more environmentally hazardous.

I am concerned about it for all the reasons people state, but I think its a difficult question because of the conflict between the economic and environmental trade-off that you have here.

I'm not an expert. I don't know enough to have an independent opinion, but I sure would like people who could be objective, understanding both the economic necessities and environmental damage to come up with some approach that would enable us to retrieve the coal but would enable us to do it in a way that wouldn't damage the living standards and the other important qualities associated with people living both under the mountaintop and people who are along the streams.

You know, maybe there is a way to recover those mountaintops once they have been stripped of the coal. You know, I think we've got to look at this from a practical perspective.

Obama's also campaigned in Charleston and Beckley and was asked about striking the balance between mining and the environment:

Chad Foreman of Fayetteville asked Obama how he could help the state strike a balance between the environmental damage caused by the coal and logging industries and the environmental concerns of eco-tourism.

"The truth is, we don't have perfect energy sources," Obama said, adding that even though he supports wind energy, he is aware windmills threaten migratory birds. "Every source of energy has some problems. .... There are ways of removing coal that work well ... in a way that does not degrade the environment. But there are other companies tearing stuff up. The key for us has to be to work with those companies that are engaging in the best practices and understanding that over time everybody has an investment in the environment of West Virginia. ... But we have to do it in a way that does not completely eliminate the industry that provides a livelihood for a lot of people. We have to make a transition to clean energies, but it's not going to happen overnight."

Obama has stated that, as president, he intends to put an aggressive renewable energy plan into place that would, by 2020, make 25 percent of the nation's energy come from alternative sources

UPDATE: Just got an email from Rod Snyder, president of the West Virginia Young Democrats:
To: West Virginia Young Democrats I am pleased to announce that former First Daughter Chelsea Clinton will speak during our WVYD convention kick-off event at 5:00 this Friday evening at the Charleston Civic Center (Room 202). We already have a very exciting lineup of speakers throughout the convention, and the addition of Chelsea Clinton will make this weekend truly unforgettable. The kick-off event is free and open to the general public. (The Obama campaign may also be sending a surrogate speaker to the convention, mostly likely during our general session on Sunday morning. Please check the WVYD website later this week for more details.) We have moved up the start of the convention registration time to 4:00 p.m. on Friday to accommodate the slightly modified schedule. The complete agenda for the weekend is available on our website at www.wvyoungdems.org. The convention registration fee is $10, payable by cash or check when you arrive at the Civic Center. Tickets are still available to the general public for Saturday night's keynote dinner with Christine Pelosi. Members of the general public who are not Young Democrats can purchase a ticket for the Pelosi dinner for $50 each by contacting Kanawha Valley Young Democrats President Travis Mollohan at 304-345-2794 or tmollohan@hotmail.com. Of course, those Young Dems registered for the convention will be admitted to the keynote dinner for free.
More on the West Virginia Young Democrats convention here.



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Every source of energy has some problems. (2.00 / 1)

What exactly is the problem with densely packed Fresnel lens concentrator arrays?

Nice diary, long time no comment.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:10:34 PM EST

pinche tejano (2.00 / 2)

Thanks. I'm trying to find a diary written by my blog mate Clem on how "clean coal" really might create a more toxic carbon footprint, but I can't find it. (although maybe it was a draft I read because I can't find it. I've been swamped at work of late.)

I've been putting most of my blogging into West Virginia Blue and the WV-02 race. I


by Carnacki on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:25:53 PM EST
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Please don't throw all biodiesel under the bus. (none / 0)

I know that is a current cause de jour.

Granted, biodiesel for everyone is retarded.

Biodiesel for the farming sector makes perfect sense. There is a lot of excess plant mass after the harvest, so why not have biodisel run the farms.

The suburbs just consume, so it won't fly there.

Destroying a mountain is no way to go about getting energy, especially for transportation.

Solar high speed rail that acts as the nation's subway system. Make it an auto ferry so Americans can still bring their cars.

Because like their credit cards, they won't leave home without them.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:37:00 PM EST
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Myth of Clean Coal (2.00 / 1)

Here's one diary on the negative consequences of toxic coal cleaning technology: "Myth of Clean Coal." It concentrates the toxins into difficult to really nasty, nasty waste.

The carbon-dioxide footprint of coal plants, with or without carbon sequestration, is included in this diary: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake". (IIRC, it's at the end.)

There's also a big huge problem with methane, another global warming gas, which is a byproduct of the coal to liquid fuel process. As best as I could tell, the big coal-to-liquid plant planned for Mingo County (WVa) was held up after the feasability study in large part because they can't find a local buyer for the methane.


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Help Keep Wild, Wonderful, West Virginia Blue

by SLJ on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:17:00 PM EST
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Obama pushed Liqued Coal TWICE (2.00 / 1)

and that would be doubling the CO2.

So at least Bill wasn't talking about that, however talking about clean coal is something they can work and see if it can be achieved, but I just don't see Coal EVER being clean.  Like Al Gore is talking about banning Coal Plants until we find a way to capture and sequester coal.  In my mind, that still doesn't make it clean.

I wish they would just stop talking about coal and try to move away from it all together.


by LindaSFNM on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:44:34 PM EST

Obama pushed Liqued Coal TWICE (none / 0)

should have been, Obama pushed LIQUID Coal twice and would have been like replacing every car with a Hummer.  The Oil industry has been trying to push liquid coal for 3 decades.


by LindaSFNM on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:46:09 PM EST
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Clinton can win (1.00 / 2)

Hillary Clinton can win this thing.  The media spent so many months adoring Obama that the truth about him is only just now beginning to come out. See:
http://miraclesdaily.blogspot.com/
by Christian Prophet on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:05:40 PM EST

Re: Clinton can win (none / 0)

Yup:

"Obama was the first to play the race card

Sean Wilentz
is the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus professor of history at Princeton University

Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the "black" candidate.

Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama's "post-racial" campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama's operatives began playing the race card - and blamed Hillary Clinton."


by gotalife on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:46:46 PM EST
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I checked the link... (none / 0)

..to Miracles Daily.  If your tag is at all indicative of your beliefs, it's probably not surprising that you'd use such a site as proof that Hillary can win.

Do you agree with what that site wrote about liberation theology?  It's quite reactionary and focuses on the "Marxist" element, rather than other, broader elements.  Essentially, liberation theology states that our individual salvation is tied into the salvation of all.  If we live our safe little lives, far away from poverty and injustice around the world, then we've missed the call to serve others.  There's no doubt that it is a radical approach and that it has been condemned by the church hierarchy.

However, its aims to empower those without power and to lift the voices of those whose voices have been silenced are valid and inspiring.

Those wishing to learn more about liberation theology, can go to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_ theology


by writtenwithoutwax on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 06:08:35 PM EST
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Re: I checked the link... (none / 0)


Do you agree with what that site wrote about liberation theology?


I assume that the poster does. But the site seems to be saying that what Hillary needs to defeat Barack is give a speech stressing the difference between her Christ-based beliefs and the Marxist ones embraced by liberation theology.  The problem is that there is a very strong liberation theology trend within the Methodist church itself, perhaps as much as is the case with the United Church of Christ.  

I don't think that Hillary is foolish or desperate enough to try to make a small group of right wing Christians happy by opening up that can of worms.  Trying to claim that Rev. Wright's most inflammatory statements are part of liberation theology would be a real loser for her.


by Fred in Vermont on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 06:43:00 PM EST
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Sen. Clinton will not (none / 0)

make this speech. So - you needn't have posted here.
by Xanthe on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:54:10 PM EST
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"we're not used to it" (none / 0)

Welcome to the club.  


John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.
by John DE on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:07:04 PM EST

Re: Presidential campaigning in wild, wonderful We (none / 0)

w. Virginia's contest "matters" but only because Hillary will win it.lucky for your state.

and nice write up on the contradictions within the state. As most know, these contradictions extend to most Southern states. There the old way of life is being confronted by booming cities, spurred by northerners migrating to warmer climates and cheaper housing.

in any regard, great luck trying to push W. Virginia back in the path of supporting more progressive policy.


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by alex100 on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:43:07 PM EST

Why Bill? Candy the Groupie? (none / 0)

Why are we listening to Bill? Him on the road makes me wonder if Hillary's experience in the White House would be the same as Candy the Groupie winning the Grammy? http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/29/and-t he-grammy-winner-is-candy-the-groupie/


by Angry African on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 05:51:31 PM EST

Re: Why Bill? Candy the Groupie? (none / 0)

That's silly, your link speaks as if she entered the political scene the day her husband became president.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:00:30 PM EST
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Re: Presidential campaigning in wild, wonderful We (none / 0)

Helpful post.  Look forward to hearing more.


by writtenwithoutwax on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 06:09:26 PM EST

Re: Presidential campaigning in wild, wonderful We (none / 0)

This is just like watching the blind guys try and describe the elephant....led by the head blind guy, Barry, for a self-styled 'chage' dude he surely don't know much about what kind of change is available.

!00% of all America's electricity needs and 90% of it's total energy needs provided here, in America providing American jobs, by 2050. Cost 420 billion using off the shelfl, existing tech.

Where, how? Here:

Solar Grand Plan

Yah see, 'leadership' in 21st Century America requires that you do more than mouth the stupidities yer backers Goldman Sachs puts up on yer teleprompter....

Barry.


by Pericles on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:23:40 PM EST

Excellent summary! (2.00 / 1)

Well done, Mr. Carnacki.

That West Virginia Blue place you speak of sure sounds swell. They don't have any DFH's there do they? You know, dirty f'ing hillbillies...

;-)


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Help Keep Wild, Wonderful, West Virginia Blue

by SLJ on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:44:01 PM EST

wild, wonderful West Virginia (none / 0)

Sean Wilentz is a self-identified FOB&C. He even is said to brag (I know it's pathetic) in his lecture class that he is really, really good friends with Bill, Ignore anything he writes as impartial, Everyone even tangentially connected to East Coast academic knows the Wilentz score.


by NYWoman on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:56:32 PM EST


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