Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!"

There are some things I don't write about because I can't but I'm making an exception tonight.  Like many of you - I refuse to shop at Walmart for the same reasons most progressives do.  Never shopped in one and never will.  The following video has set that resolve in granite and I'm determined to do all I can to tell this poor family's story in the hopes that someone more influential than I will step in and help them.  Take a look at what Crooks & Liars reported a few days ago...

Last November, the WSJ reported in a front-page story how the retail giant had sued Deborah Shank--a 52-year-old former Wal-Mart employee left permanently brain damaged from a car accident nearly eight years ago--for the money and won. Like most employee health plans, Wal-Mart's gives it the right to recover medical expenses for accident-related care if a worker also collects damages in an injury suit.

That was on CNN a few days ago and this evening I saw the story repeated on NBC.  It's one of the saddest - no make that the most infuriating stories ever.  In this video the analysts tell us that companies like Walmart rarely pursue the subrogation clause built into most health insurance policies, but for some reason Walmart decided to go after this brain-damaged woman and her husband.

She was hit by a truck while working for Walmart - had insurance which laid out hundreds of thousands for her medical care.  She had head injuries and was left with permanent brain damage, in a wheelchair, and unable to care for herself.  Her husband sued the trucking company and was awarded a fairly large settlement which he put in a trust fund for his wife's care.  Just shy of 300k left after the lawyers took their cut.

Walmart and their insurance company took the couple to court.  They demanded they be reimbursed for the money they spent on her medical care (some 400k).  Court sided with the insurance company, clearing the way for Walmart to sack the trust fund which doesn't even have enough to care for that poor woman for the rest of her life as it is.

The husband works 2 jobs to make ends meet.  He's battled cancer during this ordeal and they lost their son in Iraq.

His only option was to divorce his beloved wife so she's left with nothing and then she'll qualify for public assistance.

That story left me in tears - shouting at the television - and I said to hubby "see? THIS is why I'm fighting so hard for Hillary.  Our health care system has GOT to be overhauled and those blood-sucking health insurance companies brought into line.  If anyone can get this job done it's Hillary and we NEED her in the oval office NOW."

I wasn't sure if I should follow up the story about that poor young woman in Ohio, which I posted the other night with yet another outrage re health care (or the lack thereof) but something should do something about this.  That couple has nothing - they've been through so much already and now Walmart's selectively decided to enforce the subrogation clause because they want to take what little they have left to bolster their 90 million dollar bottom line.

That CNN report said the couple's last chance is the Supreme Court.  They've filed a petition for cert. and on March 24th the Court denied cert.  So that's it.  Walmart's contacted the Shank's attorney to start the process of sacking their trust fund.

So the question now is how will this family pay for her care?  

It's a safe bet Walmart doesn't give a flying fig about that.  They just want the money.

My father lost his insurance over a 2 cent shortfall, and died at the age of 61 when his failing heart gave out.  It's too late for him but maybe - MAYBE someone can help this poor woman and her family retain what little dignity she has left.



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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 8)

This case drives home two things for me...

We have GOT to get a Democrat into the White House so we can bring some sense to the highest court in the land and to do that we need to send up the strongest nominee we possibly can.

Second, we've got to put someone in the White House that's committed to making sure we all have access to health care when we need it, and will bring the insurance companies into line.  

Hillary's shown us time and time again she doesn't give up until the job's done.  Put her in the Oval Office and we won't be hearing stories like this any more.  Help her get there guys...

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by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:43:37 PM EST

You got that right, Alegre. (1.72 / 11)

Second, we've got to put someone in the White House that's committed to making sure we all have access to health care when we need it, and will bring the insurance companies into line.

Hillary is the only one that fights for people like her.  Where's Obama?


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:48:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know... (2.00 / 6)

I just know that Hillary IS here, she IS fighting for us, and she WILL deliver on her promise to make universal health care a reality! :-)


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:52:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know... (1.00 / 7)

Hillary was on the WalMart board for years - Why didn't she do something about their policies then?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:11:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know... (2.00 / 4)

Stop it - just stop it.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:20:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know... (1.14 / 7)

New rule: You can't criticize Clinton.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:36:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No... (2.00 / 2)

Just stop trolling in this diary & stop trying to stir up s***.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:38:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (1.50 / 2)

I don't see how it is stirring up s**t to point out that HRC spent many years helping the company that did this.

She is a woman who wants to let Greenspan head a commission to solve the problem he (and Maggie Williams) helped create.

This is a little like saying, "Haliburton is an evil company, that's why I'm fighting for Dick Cheney!"


I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland
by alvernon on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:58:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (1.50 / 4)

If you are voting for BO you ARE voting for Cheney


by IndyRobin on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:05:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh... (2.00 / 0)

Hillary Clinton Feels Heat Over Wal-Mart Ties

NEW YORK -- With retailer Wal-Martunder fire for its labor and healthcare policies, one Democrat with ties to the company, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has started feeling her share of the political heat.

Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

Hillary Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board ''was a great experience in every respect."


by kraant on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:13:42 AM EST
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Re: Heh... (none / 0)

As the Illinois senator prepared to join the presidential fray late last year, he threw his weight behind the union-backed campaign against Wal-Mart. He declared that there was a "moral responsibility to stand up and fight" the company and "force them to examine their own corporate values".

According to the couple's tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 (£25,700) for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse's board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.

She also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company

UK Telegraph


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:34:33 AM EST
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Treehouse Foods is a major Walmart (none / 0)

supplier


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:37:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

needless to say, Michelle was bounced (none / 0)

after the SC debate.


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:38:20 AM EST
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Yes... (2.00 / 0)

... because having a spouse that is a director of a supplier (a supplier is just any company that sells goods to walmart for walmart to stock BTW, that's a hella lotta of companies) and getting bounced for it is just as bad as serving on Walmart's board of directors for 6 years like Hillary did.


by kraant on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:09:40 AM EST
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think poor Michelle had to sell off her (1.00 / 1)

full length white mink coat?


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:15:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Look at THESE- Obama's plan would do NOTHING TO (2.00 / 2)

Obama's hoped changes would do nothing to prevent this.

In fact, experts have said they expect costs and incidents like this would continue to rise.

The financial incentive to do this would still be there because the companies would still structure rates by risk and if someone forgot to mention something and got a lower rate because of it, they might then have to repay it all. Imagine how ugly that can get, these are people who are already very, very sick.

Business as usual, Obama?

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/l a-fi-healthinsure-sg,1,3627886.storygall ery

Healthcare insurance probe grows
By Lisa Girion
L.A. city attorney asks Blue Cross to substantiate claims that it has revised its rescission practices.
March 5, 2008

Health Net ordered to pay $9 million after canceling cancer patient's policy
By Lisa Girion
The punitive damage award is the first of its kind and has prompted the giant medical insurer to scrap practices that have recently come under fire.
February 23, 2008

INSURANCE
L.A. sues insurer over cancellations
By Lisa Girion
The city attorney says Health Net defrauded policyholders by dropping patients who needed costly care.
February 21, 2008

Doctors balk at request for data
By Lisa Girion
Physicians object to a letter from Blue Cross seeking information that could lead to policy cancellations.
February 12, 2008

Family rejects Blue Cross' claim
Family rejects Blue Cross' claim
By Lisa Girion
After years of paying for a badly disabled boy's nursing care, the insurer said he no longer needed it. His parents hired a lawyer.
December 30, 2007

Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders
By Lisa Girion
One of the state's largest health insurers set goals and paid bonuses based in part on how many individual policyholders were dropped and how much money was saved.
November 9, 2007

Rules against health plan cancellations are delayed
Lisa Girion
A state agency drafting the regulations says the variety of policies is slowing the process.
August 29, 2007

Blue Cross undergoes exam
Lisa Girion
The health plan comes under fire during a state regulatory hearing. The company says members are well served.
August 8, 2007

INSURANCE
Complaints spark state hearing on Blue Cross
Lisa Girion
Regulators want to see whether the healthcare firm is adhering to an accord with California.
July 11, 2007

HEALTHCARE
Insurer cited in policy rescissions
Lisa Girion
BC Life mishandled more than half the cases reviewed by the state. Critics say regulators have not done enough.
July 3, 2007

The State
Blue Cross makes policy about-face
Lisa Girion
Blue Cross of California agreed Thursday to stop canceling individual health coverage unless it can show policyholder deception -- a major shift by the state's largest health insurer that could lead to sweeping industrywide changes.
May 11, 2007

INSURANCE
Halted health coverage suit may be far-reaching
Lisa Girion
An appeals court will weigh Blue Shield's retroactive cancellation of a car-crash patient.
May 7, 2007

HEALTHCARE
Doctors, hospitals join Blue Cross suit
The largest organizations representing California physicians and hospitals joined a lawsuit against Blue Cross of California on Thursday, accusing the state's largest health plan of illegally and routinely refusing to pay them millions of dollars for medical care provided to enrollees whose policies were later canceled.
April 20, 2007

Insurer allowed to drop Realtors' health coverage
Lisa Girion
A judge ruled Monday that Blue Shield of California could cancel group health insurance for the California Assn. of Realtors, apparently dooming it to the growing list of organization-sponsored health plans that have died in recent years, leaving people uninsured.

Blue Cross cancellations called illegal
Lisa Girion
The health insurer 'routinely' dropped the policies of pregnant or ill clients, an agency finds. The company disputes the charge.
March 23, 2007

Blue Shield sued over revoked insurance
Lisa Girion
At issue is the insurer's leaving patients without coverage after they have been hospitalized.
February 16, 2007

Health plan review may be intensified
Lisa Girion
The state's top HMO regulator calls for outside oversight of insurers' attempts to drop policyholders.
January 30, 2007

Kaiser to push for standards on health plans
Lisa Girion
The move comes amid a growing controversy over the insurance industry's cancellation of individual policies for medical coverage.
January 3, 2007

Doctors seek to sue Blue Cross
Lisa Girion
The California Medical Assn. wants to join patients in a dispute over canceled policies.
December 27, 2006

HMOs to face stricter rule
Lisa Girion
A state agency plans a move that would make it harder for insurers to drop sick policyholders.
November 14, 2006

Kaiser Told to Reinstate Coverage
Lisa Girion
Regulators' action in a kidney patient's case comes as scrutiny over cancellations grows.
October 19, 2006

Blue Cross Moves to Quell Furor
Lisa Girion
The health insurer, accused of dumping sick policyholders, says it will alter procedures.
September 20, 2006

Blue Cross Sued Over Claims Refusals
Lisa Girion
The healthcare insurer allegedly refused to pay hospitals after authorizing treatments.
May 9, 2006

California and the West
Canceled Policies Prompt Lawsuits
Lisa Girion
Customers of Blue Cross and Blue Shield say they were dumped after incurring medical costs.
April 28, 2006

Garamendi to Probe Blue Cross' Practices
Lisa Girion
California regulators said Wednesday that they would investigate accusations by 10 patients that Blue Cross has a system to retroactively cancel health coverage for members after they need expensive medical care.
March 30, 2006

Former Members Sue Blue Cross
Lisa Girion
Ten plaintiffs say the health insurer illegally dropped them after they became seriously ill.
March 28, 2006


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:22:49 PM EST
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Re: I don't know... (2.00 / 1)

If you want to talk about the tie to Walmart,  explain Michelle Obama position.

Obama called hypocrite for wife's Wal-Mart link.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht ml?xml=/news/2007/05/13/wobama13.xml

According to the couple's tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 (£25,700) for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse's board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.

She also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company.


by JoeySky18 on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:50:40 AM EST
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Re: I don't know... (none / 0)

Routerdude, please explain why this comment is hide rated.


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 06:04:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got that right, Alegre. (2.00 / 3)

There are SO many problems that need to be taken care of.  Health care is at the top of the list for most voters and I'm convinced that Hillary is the one person who can make it happen.

Too much is at stake.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:57:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got that right, Alegre. (2.00 / 1)

Even if she doesn't catch up to Obama . . . I am sure she will use her talents to help pass much needed health care reform through the Senate.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:01:04 PM EST
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Based on her brilliant success (2.00 / 0)

leading the Clinton Health Care effort.

She failed completely in that effort.

Funny how the Clinton people never want to talk about the failure that led to the loss of the Democratic Congress in 1994.

But that would divert attention from your important work at the politics of personal destruction.  


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:01:52 AM EST
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Clinton was a first lady, not a Washington (2.00 / 1)

politician.  She is younger than B.O. is now.

She knows that because of his inexperience, he will make the same mistakes she did when she first hit Washington.

BTW.  What she did was gutsy and radical for a first lady.
The second Clinton was sworn in, she was on healthcare reform.

She beat Michael Moore and everyone else by a few decades.

Now, she knows exactly how to proceed, and is ready to steamroll Repug ass.  Like yours.


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:21:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton was a first lady, not a Washington (none / 0)

politician.  She was younger than B.O. is now.

She knows that because of his inexperience, he will make the same mistakes she did when she first hit Washington.

BTW.  What she did was gutsy and radical for a first lady.
The second Clinton was sworn in, she was on healthcare reform.

She beat Michael Moore and everyone else by a few decades.

Now, she knows exactly how to proceed, and is ready to steamroll Repug ass.  Like yours.


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:22:23 AM EST
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LandStander (2.00 / 2)

Please remove my troll-rating.  There is nothing in my post that deserves it.  


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:05:26 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (1.00 / 1)

I'll agree the TR was wrong, but your post was utter crap.  There is no reason whatsoever to think that Obama doesn't care about "people like her".

And then you ask "where's Obama?", as if Hillary has stepped in and used her influence with Walmart (after all, this is the same company she sat on the board of) to help this lady.  

What a completely disingenuous post.


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:12:23 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (2.00 / 2)

You're kidding right?  Have you LOOKED at some of the posts trashing Hillary down thread?

Seriously man - I write about a family in need and this is your response?  I thought for sure this was one diary you jerks wouldn't trask with your lies and distortions and as usual, you've surpassed even my wildest expectations.

And by the way - I uprated her comment ONLY after one of your pals downrated it.  So please spare us the outrage.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:19:49 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (2.00 / 1)

HA!

I was completely ready to join your outrage against Walmart, but YOU tried to spin this as "why we need Hillary" and then one of YOUR pals posted this:

Hillary is the only one that fights for people like her.  Where's Obama?

If you and your pals want us not to talk about Hillary, then stop bashing Obama.  I WILL defend him, regardless of what the


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:23:12 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (2.00 / 0)

HA!

I was completely ready to join your outrage against Walmart, but YOU tried to spin this as "why we need Hillary" and then one of YOUR pals posted this:

Hillary is the only one that fights for people like her.  Where's Obama?

If you and your pals want us not to talk about Hillary, then stop bashing Obama.  I WILL defend him, regardless of what the diary is about.

(and don't give me the "downthread" crap, this post by Gabrielle was the second post in the thread)


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:24:54 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (1.00 / 0)

What does that have with the comment I posted.

It deserved no troll-rating, as far as I can tell.  You are bunching it in with a whole lot of hostility  you have against our candidate, and it has nothing to do with individual posts.  Mine deserved no troll-rating.  There was nothing troll-ratable about it.  Just a differing opinion.  Care to check?


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:41:27 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (none / 0)

Have I ever troll-rated you for a similar benign post?


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:42:26 PM EST
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Re: LandStander (2.00 / 0)

Umm....huh?

I have been troll rated for equally benign posts today, but that's beside the post.

Maybe you missed it where I said two posts up:

I'll agree the TR was wrong, but your post was utter crap

And the post you were just responding to was a response to alegre, not you.


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:46:32 PM EST
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Oh please (2.00 / 0)

you wrote about a family in need to write something about Clinton

Stop playing innocent.

And as someone who has spent the last month here attacking Obama in a VERY personal way, I find your own outrage absurd.


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:04:17 AM EST
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Michelle Obama was a board director for (1.00 / 0)

a Walmart supplier, when Obama went after HRC in the SC debate.
Michelle was making over $50,000 a year for her services.
She was let go immediately following the debate.
by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:28:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got that right, Alegre. (none / 0)


troll-worthing comment?

I think not.  If so, you should have received many more, but you did not.  And I'm being kind here, because I could easily report you.  But I won't, because you expose yourself here.  Nothing more needed.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:55:53 PM EST
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Yes, you're absolutely right! (2.00 / 4)

I'm sure once President Hillary Clinton takes on this challenge, we can have quality, affordable health care... And no more health care horror stories! :-)


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:50:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, you're absolutely right! (2.00 / 5)

She knows where the problems lie and how to get around them like no one else.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:58:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, you're absolutely right! (1.66 / 3)

Why didn't she do it the first time she had the responsibility?

I mean this seriously -- In your opinion, why couldn't she get it done then and what will she do differently this time?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:12:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, you're absolutely right! (2.00 / 1)

What in the f#ck are you talking about?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:17:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, you're absolutely right! (1.75 / 4)

As I'm sure you're aware, Hillary had the responsibility on health care in her husband's administration. Her proposal failed. In fact, it never came up for a vote because it was so politically flawed.

So I'm asking why you think it went bad and what you think she will do different so that she would achieve success should be president.

This is a normal question, not one worth cursing about. I would expect most of us examine what we did wrong when something didn't work so we can figure out how to do it better. That is a way to improve our efforts.

If you don't learn from your mistakes, then you can't improve.

So what do you think she learned and what will she do differently?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:22:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Try going onto Hillary's web site... (2.00 / 2)

And looking at Hillary's health care plan for yourself. And btw, it's not that easy to make universal health care happen. One can't just "hope" for "change", not when the vast right-wing conspiracy has millions ready to spend & the Democratic Party can't unite around one health care plan... That was Hillary's dillemma in 1993. But hey, who needs history lessons when one has "audacity"?


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:35:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Try going onto Hillary's web site... (2.00 / 1)

So what did Hillary learn from her previous failure and what will she do differently?

Has she ever admitted she should have listened to Moynihan?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:37:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its telling how you Obama folks try to blame HRC. (2.00 / 1)

She put forward a plan that would have worked, but which threatened the extremely profitable health insurance industry, which did all they could, which was a lot, to kill it.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:31:43 AM EST
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Re: Try going onto Hillary's web site... (2.00 / 0)

It wasn't the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that killed things in 1993, it was Clinton's secrecy and unwillingness to deal, opposition from groups like the APA, health insurance companies, and the American public who listened to the latter with no information from the former.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:51:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Try going onto Hillary's web site... (none / 0)

You are completely misusing your rating abilities. Folks, I'm reporting this poster and I encourage others to do the same.


by Soitgoes on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:34:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That was a non answer (none / 0)

to a legitimate question I have never heard a decent answer to.

She led an effort that was a major factor in Democrats losing the House in 1994.  It is legitimate to ask why she should be entrusted to lead it again.

And references to the vast right wing conspiracy really don't cut it, because they will be back fighting any effort in 2009.


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:34:54 AM EST
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Re: Yes, you're absolutely right! (none / 0)

The AMA was against changing healthcare for one thing. Now they are for universal coverage. The slant as I recall was to constantly allude to socialism and the failures of Healthcare in european countries.Gop has sucessfully been using the ruse of smaller govt. better america, deregulation etc... for years. The first healthcare proposal happened at the end of the Reagan/Bush happyyears when the media was still downplaying the disaster of trickle down economic BS. Moore's recent film Sicko debunked alot of the GOP hog wash and the times have finally made ave. americans more receptive. Canada looks pretty good to most ave. folks now.


workingclass artist
by workingclass artist on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:21:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You know damn well what he is talking about (none / 0)

And you don't have an answer.

She led the Clinton effort in '93 and '94 on health care and it was a complete disaster.

It is a very reasonable question.

And that is your response!!!!


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:06:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

You know,

what really gets me is that some folks say that she's embedded with the pharmaceutical companies who donated to her.  It's so ironical:  she took their donations, while voting against them.

People want to distort the fact that she accepted the donations with the fact that she refused to give favors to them.

AHEM.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:52:16 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 3)

This woman's spent the last 35 years fighting for us.  I can't imagine anyone thinks she'll suddenly stop now.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:59:32 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.50 / 2)

hmmm.... she spent some of those thirty-five years on the board of Wal-Mart. Doesn't she have any phone numbers in her rolodex?


by BlueinColorado on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:12:03 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 2)

Knock it off.

For once - just ONCE can't you guys let go of that and post something - anything about how to help that poor family??

Or are you so drunk on the BS that you've got to continue spreading distortions of Hillary's record here in some pathetic attempt to puff up your own candidate?

Seriously - just knock it off already.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:16:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.66 / 3)

What distortion?  Don't be vague. Spell it out or else it will become crystal clear that you can't point to any distortions.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:23:23 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.66 / 3)

Your sanctimony might be a little less tiresome if you hadn't turned this post into a partisan campaign ad, and recced your co-religionist who snidely asked "Where's Obama?"

anything about how to help that poor family??

Did I miss the part of your post where you asked for donations to help this "poor family"? I saw the one where you sollicited donations for Hillary Clinton's campaign.

That's more than a little crass.

Or are you so drunk on the BS that you've got to continue spreading distortions of Hillary's record

So Hillary Clinton didn't serve on the board of WalMart? Facts that make you uncomfortable, or look silly, are not "distortions".

Seriously- get over yourself already


by BlueinColorado on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:24:15 PM EST
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"We have GOT to get a Democrat into the White House so we can bring some sense to the highest court in the land . . ."

At least we are in partial agreement, and I KNOW you will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

You may not blog for him, but I know you will not let McCain privatize Social Security.

KUMBAYA

:o)


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

I will - and I've said that repeatedly through this campaign.

But I'm convinced now more than ever that our party's nominee will be Hillary.

There's too much at stake and Hillary's not about to give up before she gets the job done.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:00:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Winning the nomination (none / 0)

is not up to her.  Nor is getting decent healthcare legislation passed.

The US congress makes the laws; the president can only prevent them from being enacted with a veto (if at least a third of either house supports him/her).

More relevant that blind faith in Hillary winning would be a strategy for getting a coalition of liberals, blue dogs and Republican Senate moderates to sign on to the right kind of healthcare compromise.  Expressions of dogged determination and displaying "scars" of a previous failure may only serve to harden opposition from the half of Washington that already dislikes her.


by corph on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:24:41 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

Excuse me, but Obama is closer to McCain on SS privatization than he is to Clinton.  We're going to lose out on health care and social security issues unless Clinton wins.


by Montague on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:15:15 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

oh stop with the fear mongering already we have two awesome candidates.

This diary highlighted a serious problem with corporate America and supporters from BOTH camps need to chill out and then get really pissed off at Wal-Mart, corporate scum bags, and Republicans.  

For just this diary can we leave the candidate support at the door and just rant against those we all can't stand?


by Xris on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:21:32 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

On the one hand I'd agree with you.  We all do snipe too much and we have common enemies.  Yet we do not have two awesome candidates.  We have one very good candidate, and one candidate who is good on several things but who worries me more and more as I learn more about him.

I don't want pres. McCain, but you might as well prepare for it, because it's coming.  There's the fearmongering for you.


by Montague on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:26:53 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

I haven't read this site in quite some time - not for any particular reason - and I'm undecided so far on which candidate I support.  Both have positives and negatives that make it hard for me to make up my mind.  Reading these comments, though, makes me sad.

Thank you, Xris, for trying to turn the attention to where it truly should be - against the corporatists and those who support them - and away from the bickering and sniping between the Clinton supporters and the Obama supporters.  Can't we have a reasonable and reasoned debate about these two candidates?

Montague, I understand that you believe Hillary to be an awesome candidate, for very valid reasons, and not Obama.  I hope you're working very hard to get your favorite candidate elected.

However, there are those who feel Obama is an awesome candidate, also for very valid reasons, and not Hillary.  And I expect that they are working very hard to get their favorite candidate elected.  

But sniping at each other, calling each other names, becoming angry with each other, and closing our minds to what the other side has to say is only playing into the opposition's (Republican's) hands.  Actually, it sounds a lot like something Karl Rove would engineer in order to break the Democratic party.  

I don't expect (nor would I want) any Kumbaya moments.  but I sure wish we could stop and listen to each other.  I sure wish we could be FOR someone without trying to MAIM or KILL the other side.  What's the point of that?

One of these two candidates is going to win.  Each side hopes it will be their candidate, but one side is going to be disappointed.  If we burn our bridges to each other now, there'll be no way we can rejoin forces later, and a house divided.....etc.  


by ronik on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:34:41 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

sad


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:26:41 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 2)

Thanks Alegre.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:18:29 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

I heard this on KO the other night and wanted to puke.  How any corporate scum bags can get away with crap like this is beyond my understanding.

Not sure why you spun this horrible situation into a pro-hillary pitch.  You had the first part right though, we desperately need to make sure we get a DEMOCRAT into the White House.  


by Xris on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:19:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

Really disgusting PR for Walmart. Just because the law allows it doesn't make it the right or moral thing to do. I have a friend who worked in management at their headquarters in Arkansas and from what he told me about how cheap they are, I'm not surprised.

This woman lost her son in Iraq. Maybe someone could start a fund for them. I would be happy to give to help them.

Just disgusting that any American can be put in this position because of health care. We can't claim to be the greatest country when we don't even take care of our citizen's basic needs.


by tabbycat in tenn on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:57:36 PM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

According to one of the above reports, their son was killed in Iraq at the age of 18, two weeks after he arrived in Iraq and just a week after they'd lost their case in the courts.

Her mind's gone now.  Every time someone mentions her son is dead she reacts as if she's hearing it for the first time.  Can you imagine reliving such an enourmous greif over and over again?  It's like a wound that won't ever heal.

And walmart's fucking with her - adding insult to injury.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:03:56 PM EST
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I saw that on Anderson Cooper. So sad. I can't believe that Walmart is going to follow through on this. They will end up regretting it. That amount of money is nothing to them and it will cost them a fortune in advertising and community relations to reverse the image of this disgusting act.


by tabbycat in tenn on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:13:45 PM EST
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Absolutely! (2.00 / 3)

We can't claim to be the greatest country when we don't even take care of our citizen's basic needs.

Agreed. That's why we need action on health care ASAP. That's why we can't afford to cut corners... We need quality, affordable health care for EVERYONE. It's a shame that this nation has allowed so many horror stories to go unnoticed for far too long... No more.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:07:36 PM EST
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Absolutely! (2.00 / 4)

We can't claim to be the greatest country when we don't even take care of our citizen's basic needs.

Agreed. That's why we need action on health care ASAP. That's why we can't afford to cut corners... We need quality, affordable health care for EVERYONE. It's a shame that this nation has allowed so many horror stories to go unnoticed for far too long... No more.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:08:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

Great graphic!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:01:23 PM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 0)

Has HRC spoken out on this issue? She has clout with WalMart, as she used to work for them.

This would actually gain her votes, and distance her past connections. I would respect a strong attack on WalMart from HRC.

It might even convince my independent wife to vote for her in the GE.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:04:17 PM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 2)

Please don't - not this one man.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:11:18 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.50 / 4)

I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a civil war. My wife HATES WalMart for this, but she is also one of those that didn't like HRC from Day One.

I am being honest when I say that you should use your pull with her staff . . . and ask HRC to speak out on this for the good of OUR party!

McCain will crumble!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:20:48 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.75 / 4)

I am being honest when I say that you should use your pull with her staff

C O L !!!!  Are you joking?  Use my pull with her staff?  Seriously - get a grip.  Other than getting press releases and a heads-up re press conference calls, I don't have any contact much less "pull" with her staff.

She's been speaking out on this stuff for years.  Maybe not this case specifically but she's helped more people one on one over the years than you'll ever know.  She doesn't talk about it the way others do - she gets the job done and she moves on to the next battle without holding press conferences or singing her own praises.

And for the record - she served on the board of walmart while she was first lady of the state in which the company's based.  BEFORE it took up the reprehensible corporate policies we see today.

SO PLEASE (!!!!) don't trash this diary with your BS.  Mrs. Shank deserves one hell of a lot better than you lot have offered up tonight.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:30:35 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 0)

Walmart was NOT a paragon of corporate responsibility when Clinton was on the board.  I'm sure you must know that, as it's been widely reported.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:40:42 PM EST
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I wasn't trying to trash the diary, but wouldn't you like to see her and/or Bill call on WalMart to do the right thing?

I would like Obama to say something too, or his wife (as I will admit that she worked for a supplier of WalMart).


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:48:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Which was an amazing (none / 0)

conflict of interest. The Governor's wife sat on the board of the State's largest employer.

Bottom line: walmart has always been anti-union.  She didn't stand up for unions while she was on the board, but her record at Walmart is partially defensible.

But make no mistake: this story would not have happened if Walmart was Union.  It is very disturbing that while she sat on the board she made no attempt to change that policy.


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:30:10 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

You're correct, she served on the board when Walmart was sen favorably in the MSM and even their employees. It was due to the expansion and economy that Walmart became the corp. we know today. They did what most corps. of the day did and still do. Is it right ? No. One phrase I particularly despise is " Don't take it personally... It's just business "


workingclass artist
by workingclass artist on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:31:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.80 / 5)

Hillary speaks out against these types of things all over the place.  I guess you've been skipping watching her speeches, and ignoring her legislative efforts on their behalf.

And please don't ask me for links.  Just Google.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:11:40 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 0)

I googled it, but I didn't find any links to Hillary talking about Deborah Shank and Walmart.

If you want us to believe that Hillary has done something or said something to help Deborah Shank, YOU are going to have to provide a link.


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:18:29 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 2)

Read it again...

Hillary speaks out against these types of things


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:31:45 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 1)

I was excited, I thought Alegre had done a post about something important without bringing up partisanship, especially considering Hillary Clinton sat on Wal-Mart's board of directors at Sam Walton's personal request.

Alas. While I can agree on Wal-Mart's many transgressions, something about what you said jarred me a bit.

Like many of you - I refuse to shop at Walmart for the same reasons most progressives do.  Never shopped in one and never will.

I shop at Wal-Mart frequently. I go through five to eight diapers a day, plus wipes, formula, butt paste, et cetera... plus groceries, and all the other things that go along with raising a baby alone and trying to make all the ends meet. I'd go to Target, but it's a twenty minute drive, and with gas prices... You'd think with all my latte-liberal, trust fund money from being an Obama supporter, I'd be able to shop wherever it is that you shop at. Unfortunately, real life isn't so neat.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:06:51 PM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 4)

Excuse me - but if you'll notice I barely mentioned Hillary until my tip jar.

Please don't turn this into a rant against Hillary because she - as first lady of the state in which Walmart is based - served on their board BEFORE they took up the horrid corporate policies of today.

Please - for one night just stop it.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:13:06 PM EST
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Didn't a lot of workers sue Walmart when she was on the board for issues involving gender discrimination and also working conditions?  Why didn't she try to do something to help people then?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:15:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Her record on the board of walmart (none / 0)

is a mixed bag.

The best that can be said for her is this: she chose her battles, and the one she chose to make was about gender discrimination.  She did not protest walmart's long standing anti-labor policies openly.

If you want one view - go here
If you want a more balanced view, this NYT puts her work in context:
NYT


by fladem on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:23:31 AM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

That wasn't really what I was upset about- though it made me frown- it was the other crack. Am I not a real progressive like you, Alegre, because I have to shop at Wal-Mart? That's the tone I got from what you said.

By the way, Sam Walton was involved in lots of shady things before Hillary Clinton showed up, but I know she only served on their board for political expediency. Wal-Mart wasn't the megalith they are today until about 1992, when the surpassed K-Mart.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:27:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 3)

Ha, ha.

I was excited, I thought Alegre had done a post about something important without bringing up partisanship, especially considering Hillary Clinton sat on Wal-Mart's board of directors at Sam Walton's personal request.

Yeah, sure.  Try again.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:15:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

Did a thesis paper on Wal-Mart, I do know a little of what I speak of. It's in Bob Ortega's book, and I don't think it's really disputed much.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:22:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 1)

Give me a break.  Walmart saves you no more money than K-Mart or buying things in bulk at some other place.  Thanks for standing up for American workers.  By the way, Hillaries time with walmart started when it was known for carrying american goods.  I can remember that time, but probably you can't because you were hatched a little later.  Get you story and your values straight.


by Scotch on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:43:13 PM EST
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Nothing less than universal coverage is acceptable. Only Hillary is fighting for universal coverage.  


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:13:53 PM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (1.00 / 3)

No, she's fighting for people being mandated to buy private health insurance -- a system that hasn't worked in Mass. when it was put in place under a Republican Governor.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:16:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 2)

Sigh... one word pal - Krugman.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:33:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 0)

While we're taking his advice on how Obama's healthcare plan sucks because he thinks it's a bad idea to force people to buy health insurance from private companies, should we ask him our horoscope, too? What to wear today?

Seriously. You need to enumerate your feelings instead of pointing in all directions.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:38:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 0)

Krugman is a smart guy but he is not a health policy expert.  And not all health policy experts agree with each other.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:42:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

false. (2.00 / 2)

hillary's plan is a mixture of for=profit and non-profit providers. comparing it to the all private massachusetts plan is a deliberate misrepresentation.


by campskunk on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:36:01 PM EST
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Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

Under Obama's plan anyone who wants insurance can have it.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:22:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ah-ha... (2.00 / 1)

But you still can't guarantee that everyone's covered. Unless there's a requirement that everyone's covered, we will NEVER have universal health care. How do you think single-payer is universal? It's MANDATED by taxes. And btw, health care won't be more affordable unless everyone's covered and we have a larger purchasing pool to lower costs... So long as we have some 15 million uninsured (which would be the case with "ObamaCare"), we won't have affordable or universal care.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:41:46 PM EST
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Re: Ah-ha... (2.00 / 0)

I have no problem with paying for health care through the tax system, with a Medicare for all system. But I do object to mandating buying private insurance.  And it's really not a typical Democratic policy. There's NEVER been a Dem nominee or president who pursued this sort of plan and for many, many years they sought universal coverage.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:44:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Under Obama's plan, anyone WHO CAN PAY FOR (2.00 / 1)

expensive high-risk insurance can have it..

Many states already have these high risk pools, but the insurance companies hate them, so they charge accordingly.

In many people's cases, its huge amounts of money. If they can't afford THAT, they DON'T get insurance.

The problem is, that a lot of people have chronic conditions and if they have to get insurance on their own, not as part of a group, the cost is based on the cost the insurance company expects to pay, plus profit.

So, its not unusual for the insurance companies to want several thousand dollars a month, because they see people with chronic conditions as representing sunstantial risks that they may have to pay for their care.

Economics 101


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:37:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

See this web site.. (2.00 / 1)

http://healthinsuranceinfo.net

It gives details for each of the states, with info on the costs..

Self employed or retired or people whose emplyers don't offer group coverage often find it impossible to find coverage they can afford..

Obama has not given us ANY INDICATIONS AT ALL how he will address this issue..

Hillary is trying to address it, and she is, as best as she can while staying within the 'using private insurance companies' model.. Thats why the mandate is so important, it prevents the kind of dumping that we are seeing based on the insurers having the option of dumping people they say lied to get cheaper insurance.. If that incentive wasn't an option for them, they wouldnt do it..

See this page...

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/l a-fi-healthinsure-sg,1,3627886.storygall ery


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:42:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sorry if my explanation isn't very clear.. (2.00 / 1)

I get really angry when I'm writing about this.

Its ruining my life.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:43:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary's the only candidate (2.00 / 4)

shining the spotlight on these kind of health care horrors.  How can anyone who wants universal health care NOT vote for Hillary?  This is a personal vendetta for her to get this done---We all learn from our failures, and for Hillary this issue is personal.  She is much more motivated to make sure every American is covered by health insurance.  Obama wants only children to be covered, but who does he think will be around to take care of the kids, if the adults get sick?  Makes no sense at all.


by izarradar on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (1.66 / 3)

If Hillary was fighting for single-payer, I'd probably support her. But her proposal is not particularly good. And while I think much the same of Obama's, I think he's better on other policy matters, including his more sophisticated view of national security.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:18:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please elaborate (2.00 / 1)

on "his more sophisticated view of national security."  


by izarradar on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:13:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please elaborate (none / 0)

Ditto on your question.  "More sophisticated" - yeah, right.


by Montague on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:20:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (none / 0)

That's not true. I've seen Obama tell health care horror tales, including in several of the one-on-one debates.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:25:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (none / 0)

does he tell the horror tale about his plan leaving 15 million americans without coverage?


by campskunk on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:33:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (none / 0)

Everyone can get health care in his plan.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:42:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (none / 0)

they'll all get health care, whether they have coverage or not, if they show up at an emergency room with a gunshot would or a head injury from a car accident. that's true now. the question is, who's going to pay for it.

obama's plan leaves 15 million people uninsured, and the cost for their care will get passed on to the rest of us, just as it does now. obama's plan doesn't fix the problem.


by campskunk on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:49:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's the only candidate (2.00 / 1)

As candidates, they've all learned how to tell those very personalized tales of horror and hope.  Big whoop.   The point is, which candidate has actually gotten anything DONE to right the wrongs?  That would be Hillary.


by Montague on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:19:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Its NOT a 'vendetta' (none / 0)

Its a committment to solving ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY..

Your language intentionally trivializes it.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:45:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No, not at all (2.00 / 1)

I'd put my money on someone who makes the political personal any day.  The fact that Clinton has been working for this issue since the 1990s means that she cares passionately about getting the job done.   This does not "trivialize" the issue at all---it gives great urgency to it.  Clinton's personal reputation is at stake on this issue, and I would trust that motivation over any other politician's any day.


by izarradar on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:08:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (2.00 / 1)

Hey- nice post. What can I say? Wal-Mart has been on my shit list for a long time.
I agree that universal health care, covering everybody, is the way to go. It is not universal if it doesn't cover everybody.


by ProudMilitaryMom on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:01:17 AM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

Yes, Alegre, Hillary is the only one to trust to really work for health care for all. I know she'll fight until it's DONE! That is more than enough of a reason to vote for her!! susanclare


by susanclare on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:33:30 AM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

She will push for the universal healthcare more than anyone else dare to put their neck on the line.  Only Hillary will do it.


by JoeySky18 on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:53:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kaz WM


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:48:17 AM EST

Re: Walmart Says "Show Me the Money!" (none / 0)

Alegre -

I sought out your diary because you said that it really upset you that Obama supporters hijacked it and went anti-Hillary.  I came with an honest hope to try to make up for it by talking about this story.  You need to realize that tensions are very high right now.  Whether you intended to or not you made this a candidate diary by taking a neutral subject that we all could have agreed on and turning it into a "isn't Hillary great" diary.  You have every right to like her and support her, but you also need to be aware of the fact that when you throw that line in about how we need Hillary in order to stop the kind of behavior Walmart is guilty of, it is bound to make people upset.  I want you to think about the impression you might have been left with if the name "Obama" were substituted in for the name Hillary in your diary.  If you're honest with yourself you would realize that it would be frustrating because you would have agreed with everything said in the diary up to that point.  It also would have opened up the thread to immediate discussion of who would deal with the situation better rather than a discussion of this terrible story.

As for Walmart, I think this story encapsulates exactly why I don't shop there, and why I think that as a party we should be doing more to stop corporate greed.  I'm really glad that Edwards brought up the subject in the primaries, and I hope that when we have a Democratic president he will be named attorney general.  This story is particularly painful when you consider the fact that her brain is in a state that she constantly has to be told that her son was killed in Iraq.  It's just horrible.  I think the Walmart CEO should make Olbermann's worst person in the world list for a solid month for this one.


by Renie on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:34:47 AM EST

For shame (2.00 / 0)

Alegre, I read this diary, was very moved by the story and was prepared to rec it.  Then I read the first comment, and do i see a way to help this poor family?  Do I see an address of a VIP that I should write about my anger over this issue?  Do I see a call for everyone on this site to put aside differences and see what we're all fighting for in this election?  NO!  I see a partisan comment for Hillary and a shill for money to her losing campaign.

Needless to say I was dissapointed and will look elsewhere to see what I can do to help out this family.


by shalca on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:49:41 AM EST

Why don't you help her out instead of (1.00 / 1)

stone her.
The people who write these diaries have to work to support themselves.

The Obama people are well paid by FatCat, and can loll around in these blogs 24/7.

So why not be a nice person, and after her first post, list places to contact.


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:26:21 AM EST
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Oh, I see. You're an Obama Shill (1.00 / 0)

helping out isn't your interest.  

Pulling crap for Obama is the goal.

Always have so much respect for Obama and his fleet of shit shovelers.


by earthoat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:31:20 AM EST
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shalca, that is exactly the point I don't get.

Boycott Wal-Mart, that is fine.

Vote for Hillary, that is fine.

Do both, that is fine.

But asking people to donate to Hillary's campaign after posting that story in part suggests a lack of awareness of the past relationships between Hillary and Wal-Mart. Perhaps more importantly it does nothing to help the immediate needs of the people in the story.

On this particular occasion instead of asking people to send money to Hillary perhaps at the very least it would have been better to ask people to write to Hillary to ask her to make Wal-Mart a campaign issue in the way John Edwards did.

{for the record I will be going for the write to Hillary rather than the  write to a Wal-Mart VP option - although perhaps Hillary does not want to make Wal-Mart a campaign issue)


by My Ob on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:44:21 AM EST
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Just $300,000 after the lawyers took their cut?  For a woman who was permanently brain-damaged?  Thats a piss-poor settlement.


by XoFalconXo on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 10:46:03 AM EST

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..especially since it wasn't enough to cover out-of-pockets.  No money for pain and suffering?


by XoFalconXo on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 10:47:19 AM EST
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I do think it is possible to argue that the target of this story should be the lawyer who advised the family and took away a lot of money.

(in as much as Deborah Shank had a health care policy that paid for her medical expenses she would not have been one of those who would have gained from Hilary's or Obama's health care proposals).


by My Ob on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:14:23 AM EST
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The cognitive dissonance in this diary is killing me. Your candidate was on the board of Wal-Mart and surely she still has contacts within the company.

Her policy of aiding and abetting the anti-union policies of the company led, in part, to situations like this.

Maybe she's had a change of heart, I don't know. But it's in keeping with the Clinton theme - let's bring in the people who made the mess to clean it up. She wants Greenspan to address the mortgage crisis - he did more to create that mess than anyone else. And she wants herself to fix the healthcare crisis, when her poor political management in the 1990's put off universal healthcare for a generation.


by amiches on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:24:29 AM EST

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First of all, Hillary was on the BoD from 1986-1992.  If this incident happened during those years, then you have a legitimate point to make, re: cognitive dissonance.

Secondly, I suspect (may be wrong) that many people posting here do not have much direct experience with a Board of Directors and therefore do not understand correctly the role they play (and do not play) in corporate governance.  They do not make operational decisions and likely would have no direct involvement with something like this.

They could, for example, fire the CEO if they were disgusted over the way this situation were handled.  But they aren't in a cubicle taking calls on day-to-day, operational decisions.  Most likely their Directorship is a part-time job, something to which they devote 20-50 hours a year, while holding a "real" job fulltime.

So, as I say, if she had been serving on the Board during the time this happened, there is some merit to your criticism of Alegre's piece.  But, I think a lot of folks are misunderstanding what a Board of Directors actually does and how it operates.


by bobbank on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:09:29 PM EST
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And what kind of union-busting did the company engage in from 86-92? Did she have anything to do with the company's policies that hurt their workers rights?

Glass houses and stones and all that.


by amiches on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:14:33 PM EST
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I should think, at the very least, Obama supporters should ask their candidate to do a better job immitating Hillary's healthcare plan.  Because his current effort to emulate it falls 15-25 million people short.


by bobbank on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 01:03:37 PM EST


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