MyDD :: Obama once again praises Republicans, this time on foreign policy "ideas"

Obama once again praises Republicans, this time on foreign policy "ideas"

by DiamondJay, Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:15:11 AM EST

Once again, Barack Obama praised the Republican Party, talking in a speech http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_bush about how he would follow in the wag the dog footsteps of GHW Bush and Ronald Reagan. He praises JFK a little bit, but doesn't mention Bill Clinton anywhere? Could it be he is pandering, trying to win over those Republicans he claims he can get? Or could it be he doesn't have a clue of how foreign policy SHOULD be done? I am sick of Obama minimizing his legacy. Because if he can't say anything good about a RECENT Democratic President, why should anyone vote for one? He hurts himself by doing that, and makes me less likely to hold my nose and pull his lever this November. I do not want a President who is gonna do foreign policy like Ronald Reagan, who invaded Grenada to get reelected for 1984 and quadrupled the deficit with weapons he built that never got used. Oh yea, let us not forget TRADING ARMS FOR HOSTAGES AND USING THE MONEY FOR THE SADINISTAS, AKA IRAN CONTRA, FOR WHICH HE LIED TO AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE FACE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED. REAGAN DID NOT END THE COLD WAR, like Obama is playing into. He helps the GOP by playing their legacy up. Just because that lie has been said, it does not mean it is true. Also, Desert Storm, by Bush Sr. is the reason we are in the mess we are in today, as W wanted to finish a grudge. These are the two who propped up Al Qaeda in the name of Cold War, even tho Gorbachev ended it, not Reagan and Bush. Anyone also remember, it was BUSH SR. who put us in Somalia in the first place, while he was leaving office in Dec. 92 that led to the black hawk incident. Let us also not forget the GOP's meddling in Latin America, with Noriega after he humiliated US, and the Sadinistas in El Salvador.

Instead, Obama should want a foreign policy like William Jefferson Clinton, who fought terror without scaring us to death, who brought peace to the Balkans, who stabilized our hemisphere in Haiti and keeping relations with Latin America good, instead of meddling like Reagan and Bush. He also brought peace to Bosnia, and led the most successful war ever in Kosovo with almost zero casualties. I will not stand for Obama helping the GOP in the history books, because this leads to their future election success. Obama should be praising the right people, but oh yea, he'd be reminding everyone how his rival has first hand knowledge from being in the White House of how it SHOULD be done.

I am sick of Obama's pandering, helping the GOP in history for his own ends. First, its the "party of ideas", now this.

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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (2.00 / 1)

He's calling for a foreign policy based in realism (avoiding current Iraq war) that also recognizes and respects the duty of the international community to act in a collective security fashion (first Iraq war).

He's also called for supporting a strong UN force to end the conflict in Darfur, which provides a striking comparison with our (lack of) efforts in Rwanda, which is a shameful failure of US (and all countries') foreign policy.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:22:27 AM EST

he coulda also mentioned Bosnia Haiti and Kosovo (2.00 / 3)

which were done under a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION. did clinton not act on Rwanda? no he didn't but think of the political circumstances then in '94, after Black Hawk Down, and do you really think that Congress with the Repubs running for '94 and the Dems running for cover was gonna support him? But Clinton acted in Kosovo Bosnia and Haiti, and Obama forgets. So yea, why should anyone vote for a Democratic President if Republicans have all the foreign policy ideas, let alone "ideas?"

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:31:57 AM EST
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Re: he coulda also mentioned Bosnia Haiti and Koso (none / 0)

Well, Bush I's Iraq policy was not a traditionally Republican policy at all. So, no, I wouldn't argue that they have all the ideas. That was a liberal foreign policy move. Plain n' simple. It's the same type of foreign policy that led us into the former Yugoslavia.

By the way...you basically just chalked up our Rwanda policy to political cowardice. No one said it was easy.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:46:05 AM EST
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there is no "liberal" foreign policy (2.00 / 2)

it boils down to the fact Bush I explicitly went there for oil. It was the original Neo-Conservatism, which Reagan introduced, with Grenada, Afghanistan, etc. stop defending Reagan/Bush. people like you will make them look good in the history books. we cannot have that, as it would be FALSE.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:52:04 AM EST
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Re: there is no "liberal" foreign policy (none / 0)

Take it from this poli sci P/professor...there IS a liberal foreign policy.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:57:43 AM EST
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If you want to CRY like a baby.. (none / 0)

Go out and buy "Killing Hope" or "Blowback" or any one of a number of recent books that detail all of the "ideas" that have come out of the GOP.

Things like overthrowing legitimate governments and replacing them with bloodthirsty torturers like Saddam and the Shah of Iran and Suharto and the list goes on and on..

Millions of people have been killed by those 'ideas' MILLIONS..

99% of Americans have NO IDEA what the US has done in its "foreign policy" which at this point is a GOOD thing because if we did, we could not function, we would live in terror at our bad karma..

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by architek on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:37:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (2.00 / 2)

Way to misrepresent what he said! Woohoo!

Clinton supporters, realize stuff like this only makes you look bad. If an Obama supporter did this, I'd give them a talkin' to they wouldn't believe. What's the purpose of a narrative like this? I try to expand the discourse between our camps and bring unity to the eventual nominee, whomever it may be. This doesn't do any of that. So why post stuff like this?

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:27:39 AM EST

I normally would have but (2.00 / 3)

you do not praise Republicans if you are not gonna praise a recent successful Democratic President. It is a punch in the face the party and the man who made Democrats able to break 250 electoral votes nation wide, President Bill Clinton.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:29:29 AM EST
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Re: I normally would have but (none / 0)

And Clinton's comment in support of McCain was alright since she praised her husband?

There's plenty of valid things to criticize Bill Clinton about; although I disagree this sentiment Obama has been lambasting Bill Clinton, by the way.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:39:01 AM EST
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Re: I normally would have but (none / 0)

And Praising the Republican Nominee over a Democrat rival is an example of what precisely.

Bill Clinton Has stained his own legacy. Ask Al Gore what his legacy of acheivement was worth. Ask the House Dem's circa 1994.

by tired of dynasties on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:04:09 AM EST
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That is Obama's strategy during (none / 0)

this primary. He can't go anywhere unless he trashes the Clintons and the Clinton presidency. He and Michelle have both said that the 90s weren't as good as we remember.

Recently he said the economic troubles we are in were starting before Bush took office.

by LatinoVoter on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:43:55 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (2.00 / 1)

soooo. we're NOT going to invade grenada? damn.

by campskunk on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:30:48 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (none / 0)

Hey, I gotta give Reagan credit on that one. If we're gonna invade somewhere, let's make it somewhere tropical and beautiful.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:35:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (2.00 / 1)

Kennedy/Reagan dealt directly with our greatest enemies, the Soviets, during a time when we were minutes away from destroying each other. I doubt Obama was signaling that he supporter Iran Contra.

George H.W. Bush was actually a great foreign policy president. The first Gulf War was handled very well. He intervened in Somalia, in probably the first time in modern US history, for humanitarian purposes alone. In fact this was one of the most successful US missions in recent history until Clinton pulled the troops out b/c he was worried about the domestic "price" his administration would pay.

by highgrade on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:32:19 AM EST

go back to Free Republic. (2.00 / 1)

Desert Storm was wag the dog, seeing as he lost bad in 1990, and his approvals were dropping. Somalia was just a trap he set for Clinton.

You are very easy to mistake for a Freeper. Why don't you go post this there.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:40:24 AM EST
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WHAT? (none / 0)

I see you've drunk the "Everyone is conspiring against us poor Clinton's" kool-aid.

In Desert Storm we had an objective, we got the entire world to rally around that objective, we didn't even pay for it, and we got out in one piece.

Somalia was just the first hint of the tendency for Clinton to choose whatever option would create the least likelihood of a domestic response to a foreign policy crisis. That is why Kosovo was entirely an air war. That is why there was no movement on Rwanda. That is why terrorist attacks were responded to by cruise missiles.

by highgrade on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:51:58 AM EST
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Re: WHAT? (none / 0)

Please- Congress forced Clinton to withdraw troops from Somalia.
You forget how obstructionist the Republicans were, even back then:

Sen. John McCain - October 19, 1993

There is no reason for the United States of America to remain in Somalia. The American people want them home, I believe the majority of Congress wants them home, and to set an artificial date of March 31 or even February 1, in my view, is not acceptable. The criteria should be to bring them home as rapidly and safely as possible, an evolution which I think could be completed in a matter of weeks.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/ 01/republicans-and-congress-war-powers.h tml

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 09:41:05 AM EST
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and they forget who put them there (2.00 / 1)

not Bill Clinton, but GHW Bush Sr. who oddly enough is winning praise on Dkos because Obama said something good about him.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:21:35 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (2.00 / 3)

Well, if his name had been Bill, he would surely have been waterboarded for such a speech.

After all, they castigated Bill in a diary today simply for acknowledging McCains service to his country.

Someone pointed out that if Obama had done it there would have been cries of "uniter!" from the crowd and I am sure folks would feint as if Benny Hahn had struck them on the forehead.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:34:27 AM EST

typical Obama-supporter double standard (2.00 / 2)

and they can go praise Reagan and Bush, who are the reasons for GW Bush and the situation we are in now. Who put the Bush v. Gore members on the court, who gave us this.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:42:05 AM EST
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Re: typical Obama-supporter double standard (none / 0)

First, what does foreign policy have to do with Supreme Court appointments?

Second, this isn't a double standard at all. In one case, we're talking about what previous Presidents did right or wrong. In the other, you have a campaign from one party complimenting the candidate of another party while using the same criteria to slam a member of one's own party.

One is about the past. Compliment it or rant about it, and it won't change a thing.

The other is about the future, and one Democrat praising the Republican over the other Democrat.

BIIIIIIIIIIIG DIFFERENCE!

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:13:07 AM EST
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Clinton on foreign policy (none / 0)

Obama has praised Clinton's handling of Bosnia/Kosovo.

To be honest, other than that, it's hard to point to Clinton foreign policy successes.

Paraphrased from Wikipedia:

In Africa - Somalia (failure), Rwanda (failure), Kenya/Tanzania bombings (Clinton responded by destroying Sudanese pharmaceutical factory).

Balkans/Kosovo - Success

Middle East - Israel/Jordan peace, Oslo Accords, but failed last minute negotiations. To be fair, I'm not sure anyone not named Jesus Christ can fix this problem.

Middle East/Iraq - continued sanctions. 500,000 Iraqi children died during his presidency as a direct result of sanctions.

North Korea - failure. They were cheating the entire time and probably gained nuclear capability during this time.

Mexico - no one can curb illegal immigration. Success during the peso bailout.

Terrorism - failure. Didn't want bin laden because he wasn't yet indicted in the US, even though Sudanese were offering him to Saudis. Ineffective response to Kenya/Tanzania bombings, and USS Cole.

by highgrade on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:43:39 AM EST

you are looking at WIKIPEDIA (2.00 / 2)

anyone who uses that as a source has no cred. it can be edited by anyone, including right wingers. North Korea was slowed down significantly, even Bill Richardson, an Obama supporter said so. Somalia was a Bush-leftover, Iraq he kept under control so they HAD no WMDs by the time Bush came to power. And your talking points on terror sound like they are right out of Sean Hannity's playbook. The Sudanese NEVER OFFERED HIM, that has been completely discredited by the 9/11 commission, chapter 4 paragraph 9 http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911 Report_Ch4.htm "Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so." He came closer than anyone else after OBL, and if you read more the 9/11 Commission, you will see how he foiled their plots and went after them without scaring this country. Somalia was politically not doable, considering it was '94, and the GOP wasn't gonna let him do shit, and neither were the Democrats. You are a freeping troll. It is only because of my loyalty I bother writing this. Go back to the GOP, Free Republican, and vote for George Bush III if you are so enamoured with their foreign policy.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:49:49 AM EST
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Clarification. (none / 0)

I should have clarified that when I said Wikipedia, I meant in how they organized foreign policy issues that came up during his presidency.

Secondly, on Osama.

The only reason I'm citing this website is because the link is to audio, and that cannot be faked. But here is Clinton expounding on this topic.

http://archive.newsmax.com/audio/BILLVH. mp3

Clinton: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got - well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan.

by highgrade on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:01:39 AM EST
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NEWSMAX? (2.00 / 1)

why are you here? just the fact you take from Newsmax. you are nothing but a GOP plant to hit the Clintons on this board. You're a pure troll.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:05:16 AM EST
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Sorry (2.00 / 1)

But I am SICK of people saying the following...

Middle East/Iraq - continued sanctions. 500,000 Iraqi children died during his presidency as a direct result of sanctions.

It is NOT because of the UN Sanctions that this happened, it is because Saddam let it happen! He seemed to have plenty of money to build new, huge expensive places for himself. There were NO sanctions on food or medicine.

This was SADDAMS fault NOT Clinton's or the United Nations!

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:13:30 AM EST
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the freeper is actually quoting WIKIPEDIA (none / 0)

which is the least credible source online today. Conservative rednecks edit it all the time. Wikipedia is only good if the links to the facts are any good.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:18:50 AM EST
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Re: Sorry (none / 0)

Actually have to agree with her on that one. owwww that hurt me.

by tired of dynasties on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:07:59 AM EST
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Re: Sorry (none / 0)

her?

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:44:09 PM EST
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Re: Sorry (none / 0)

Sorry i keep focusing on the washington woman tag. No insult intended.

by tired of dynasties on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 09:19:37 PM EST
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hmmm (2.00 / 2)

Obama aligns foreign policy with GOP

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer 56 minutes ago

GREENSBURG, Pa. - Sen. Barack Obama said Friday he would return the country to the more "traditional" foreign policy efforts of past presidents, such as George H.W. Bush, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_bush

How are Dkos, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, MSNBC and the others going to spin this?

What a joke. Did he not learn from the ronald reagan bit? Will the people I mentioned above now start praising reagan and bush sr. and bashing Bill Clinton on this?

And you Obama supporters say Hillary Clinton "triangulates", speaks good about repubs, blah blah blah, etc.

All I have to say is ... hm.

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:45:54 AM EST

i just posted it, and (none / 0)

it should be interesting.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:02:25 AM EST
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You posted (none / 0)

this at Dkos?

Got a link?

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:25:36 AM EST
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and naturally Dkos has no real response (2.00 / 2)

just sniping at the McCain comment. and backing it up just to help Obama

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:19:27 AM EST
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"Let's just saddle up (none / 0)

and have an argument" Bill Clinton. I guess BHO just cowboyed up.

Dude you forgot the quote:
Obama praised George H.W. Bush -- father of the president -- for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives.
Let us assume war isn't going away in the first BHO administration should we have abroad coalition and a plan?

(Politics makes for strange bedfellows)

Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain

by Ida B on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:49:37 AM EST
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okie (none / 0)

dokie.

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:52:37 AM EST
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Re: hmmm (2.00 / 1)

I have no idea what Obama's trying to say. I thought he was about Change? What is this returning to tradition business? I thought he was about new ideas?

This is not sarcasm - I'm just baffled

by daria g on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:25:33 AM EST
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Meanwhile, Bill Clinton praised McCain again today (none / 0)

What will the folks at the DNC think of the fact that Bill Clinton called McCain a moderate?

Per NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli: "Taking a broad view of presidential contest, Bill Clinton told audiences across central Pennsylvania today that all three remaining presidential candidates are "appealing in their own way." He argued again that John McCain represents a tough general election matchup for Democrats, at one point even praising the Republican nominee for being a "moderate."

"Most of us in this room presumably are Democrats," he said at a stop in Lewistown, his fourth of five during the day. "But I have to tell you, I think Senator McCain is a very admirable person. ... And he -- in Republican circumstances, he qualifies as a moderate because he was against torture, for campaign finance reform, and didn't think global warming was a myth."

So please take Bill Clinton to task in ALL CAPS, too.

THANKS.

I look forward to your next diary.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:19:33 AM EST

Typical (2.00 / 2)

Bob Johnson answer/comment.

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:27:05 AM EST
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Bill Clinton has praised McCain... (1.00 / 1)

... on a number of occasions.

I think he loves Republicans.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:31:10 AM EST
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he didn't praise his policies, (2.00 / 1)

he praised him as a person, just like he did to Bob Dole in 1996. I don't think he wanted Bob Dole to win that election. Bill Clinton praising McCain hurts McCain with the GOP base.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:35:33 AM EST
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Yeah, he didn't praise McCain to hurt Obama... (none / 0)

... a fellow Democrat.

What was I thinking?

Good lord...

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:38:59 AM EST
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Hey bob (1.33 / 3)

I also notice that you become even more off an ass at Dkos then you are here. Is that because of the "mob mentality" that goes on at Dkos?

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:42:20 AM EST
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The MyDD definition of an 'ass': (none / 0)

An Obama supporter.

Witness the ripping of fellow Democrats like Bill Richardson and Bob Casey and Claire McCaskill simply because they support a Democrat who is not Hillary Clinton.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:45:13 AM EST
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Re: The MyDD definition of an 'ass': (2.00 / 2)

No...

The definition of an ass is an ass and YOU are act like one often. You are even worse at Dkos.

Now go and witness the ripping of ANYONE that supports Hillary Clinton at Dkos.

Isn't this game fun?

hm.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:54:21 AM EST
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Kev, what is the 'game?' (none / 0)

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:58:12 AM EST
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Re: Kev, what is the 'game?' (2.00 / 2)

The game?

I am tired of all the BS from all sides. I see what you say and do at Dkos. I see that you came into this diary with no intention of addressing the subject. You came just to pass off BS.

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:11:11 AM EST
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This diary is nonsense. (none / 0)

I simply pointed out that again today, Bill Clinton praised McCain as a way of dissing Obama.

And this diarist wants to rip Obama for suggesting that if the n ation has to go to war, building international support is the way to go, like Bush I? As opposed to going off half-cocked like Bush II did in Iraq -- with Hillary CLinton's support?

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:21:17 AM EST
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he praised McCain's personality and hurt him (none / 0)

with the GOP base. Obama is going around redneck conservative Reagan and Bush policies, but not mentioning the greatness of William Jefferson Clinton's foreign policy, in which Clinton was active, Reagan and Bush just took pictures. He dissed the last Democratic President, and is showing he will pander to anything.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:26:55 AM EST
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You already wrote this. (none / 0)

Bill and Hill have been praising McCain as a way of diminishing Obama.

And if you don't see that, then you just fell off the back of the turnip truck.

Either that, or you can't admit the truth.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:28:41 AM EST
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too bad (2.00 / 1)

you do not ever insult a Democratic President's legacy. I do not care if it is Jimmy Carter or Andrew Johnson.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:30:12 AM EST
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I don't recall Jimmy Carter ever praising a (none / 0)

... Republican presidential nominee as a way to attack a Democratic presidential candidate.

Do you?

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:33:32 AM EST
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Re: too bad (1.00 / 1)

While we're talking about Bill Clinton's Legacy,

Lets not forget who lost congress to the Republicans for the first time in over 40 years.

by tired of dynasties on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:12:55 AM EST
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Re: Kev, what is the 'game?' (2.00 / 1)

One other thing.

If I am sounding a little cranky? I am sorry. I am still at work. It has been a looooong day and I still have an hour drive to get home when I leave.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:13:37 AM EST
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No problem, Kev. (none / 0)

Drive safely.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:21:55 AM EST
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And Obama has.... (none / 0)

.... come on... you know the answer.

What a joke.

Washington Woman

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by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:40:15 AM EST
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There is no doubt... (1.00 / 2)

... that now that Hillary's chances are narrowing, Bill is angling for a spot on the McCain ticket.

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:42:01 AM EST
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Now I know (2.00 / 2)

you are just trolling.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:43:02 AM EST
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Why does Bill keep praising McCain? (1.00 / 1)

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:45:51 AM EST
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Thanks for the chuckle, Kev. (none / 0)

Asking a simple, direct question merits a 1?

Now THAT'S funny!

by Bob Johnson on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:51:23 AM EST
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You (2.00 / 1)

are trolling.

see ya.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:55:10 AM EST
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Oh please (none / 0)

Obama supporter here, but have to defend Clinton on terrorism.

At the time he made that statement, he was actively involved in charting our foreign policy to a focus to take on bin laden.

He didn't succeed that well, but he did the best he could under difficult circumstances and warned us all about the threat bin Laden posed long before most people knew who he was.

Any serious large scale attempts he made to take out bin Laden were met with ridiculous 'wag the dog' charges. Republicans never seriously considered bin laden until 9/11 smacked them in the face.

There are plenty of things you can praise republicans on when it comes to foreign policy. Gulf War I was a textbook example of how to lead the world in a responsible way. The fact is, however, as Bush as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt...they have no clue how to steer the world in a post 9/11 world.

What Obama offers is an attempt to bring back international leadership and respect to the US in a responsible way. Yes to waging war on Al Qaeda, but no to Iraq which he knew was the wrong course of action from the start.

Both Obama and Clinton should be willing to praise republicans for things they do right, just try and do it in a way that doesn't slight each other at the same time.

by furiousxgeorge on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:30:44 AM EST
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Clinton was wildly successful on terror (2.00 / 1)

notice how no major attacks occured on US soil from 1/20/1993-1/20/2001. They found the guy from the first WTC, some say TOO quickly. Bill Clinton went after OBL, and if Gore had been in office, 9/11 would not have happened. Richard Clarke even basically said this. we should be like free republic. anyone who quotes these discredited GOP talking points should be immediately banned, just as they do with anyone outside the conservative norms, like Giuliani supporters.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:36:33 AM EST
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Re: Clinton was wildly successful on terror (none / 0)

He added a disclaimer about the source when he posted it, I think that is fair enough warning to let it go.

I don't put much stock in, "No major attacks between..." for either Clinton or Bush. Neither was able to stop the WTC being attacked on their watch (though I doubt anyone could have prevented either attack, really.)

During both terms there were many attacks across the globe, the difference is Bush fanned the flames by invading Iraq which made the attacks more likely and he did jack with the post 9-11 unity.

Can you imagine what Clinton could have done if he had been given the chance to take on bin Laden with the full force of the US and the world united behind him? Osama would be long gone, or at least his organization wiped out as a major force in the world.

by furiousxgeorge on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:49:29 AM EST
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anyone coulda done wtc the original (none / 0)

you or me coulda done it. so no one, clinton bush or reagan coulda stopped the first attack. but that was not major, as in 3k people killed like under Republican not-Democrat President George Walker Bush.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:51:43 AM EST
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Re: anyone coulda done wtc the original (none / 0)

It wasn't major the first time because they didn't bring a big enough bomb. That is just good old fashioned terrorist incompetence.

by furiousxgeorge on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:53:16 AM EST
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there is no way their plot woulda worked (2.00 / 1)

pure physics, even a truck that big would not have taken that down. and even so, under reagan and bush, the seeds of qaeda were growing, AND nobody know who they were then. This is how Bill Clinton wiped the floor with Chris Wallace's ass when he tried to hit job him.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:55:41 AM EST
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Re: there is no way their plot woulda worked (none / 0)

Yeah, granted.

The point is, there isn't anything a president could have done in the situation. If they had used the same plan they developed for 9/11 back in 93' I don't see any reason why it would not have worked just as well.

by furiousxgeorge on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:11:34 AM EST
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Did people know that George W Bush was business (none / 0)

partners with one of Osama Bin Laden's half brothers back in the 80s.

They both owned a charter airline company that bought old government surplus airplanes and then chartered them out to various companies.. oil companies mostly..

I wonder why this additional connection between the two families (apart from the fathers friendship) seems to have been hushed up?

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by architek on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:33:17 AM EST
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Richard Clarke (none / 0)

Since you're quoting clarke, remember that he said that Bush I was the best foreign policy president he worked under.

That being said, Obama could have and should have worked in Bill to his speech. But after 8 years of Bush II, the Reagan or especially Bush I foreign policies look really good. At the very least, they were reality based.

And remember, this is a campaign. Obama is going after Reagan dems, which PA is full of.

by grover738 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 09:39:34 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (none / 0)

By, "his own ends," I assume you mean getting a Democrat elected Pressident, yes? You do understand that you need a certain amount of Republican and Independent appeal to win the general, right? Hillary sure does. That's why she's had surrogates on Rush, has ties with Drudge, laughs it up on Fox with Karl Rove, and sat down to interview with Richard Mellon Scaife, the right wing spinster hellbent on accusing her of murdering Vince Foster. It's also why she helped the GOP in modernity by voting for War in Iraq and for voting on Kyl/Lieberman, to prove that she can be tough on foreign policy.

by TheSilverMonkey on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:45:59 AM EST

what shrooms are you ingesting? (2.00 / 1)

no clinton surrogates go on Rush! Those are just spliced sound byte parodies he plays. If they actually went on Rush, it would be national news. Sitting down with scaife was just, as Obama says, actually talking to you enemies. It is a smart move, considering now the Clintons have the clout to shut him up for the future. She voted for the war because she thought it would be good politics, just like John Kerry did. When I say Hussein's own means, I mean hurting the Clintons, the people who brought up above 270 electoral votes for the only times in a generation.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:50:27 AM EST
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Re: what shrooms are you ingesting? (none / 0)

Bill Clinton, arguably the biggest HRC surrogate, was on Rush. Here Note where it says "Marc interviews Bill Clinton (No Really)". It happened. In Texas. Just after Rush started talking about Repub's voting for Hillary to cause chaos, but before the primary. Mark Davis was subbing for Rush that day because Rus "felt sick".

Maybe if you guys bothered to pop your heads out of Mydd or the HillaryFactHub once and a while you'd notice what was going on in the world before accusing me of doing shrooms.

John Kerry got tagged as a Flip-Flopper for voting for the war, then against it, arguably one of the major reasons he lost the election.

As for Hillary's landmark 270 electoral votes: it sure did a lot of good for the Democratic seats in Congress, eh?

by TheSilverMonkey on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:13:12 AM EST
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How laughable. Bill Clinton was spoke to (none / 0)

WBAP's Mark Davis and Mark Davis aired the interview on Rush's show when he was guest hosting. Don't let the facts get in the way of you spinning your Clinton hate.

http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=60611 9&spid=6051

by LatinoVoter on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 05:04:53 AM EST
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Re: Obama once again praises Republicans, this tim (none / 0)

No, he praises GHW Bush and JFK and Reagan a little bit.

The truth is that my foreign policy is actually a return to the traditional bipartisan realistic policy of George Bush's father, of John F. Kennedy, of, in some ways, Ronald Reagan, and it is George Bush that's been naive and it's people like John McCain

Nothing wrong with that. GHW Bush kept us out of Iraq and gave his reasons for it which his son should have listened to.

Of course he didn't mention Clinton, silly. He's tying to win an election against his wife. No politician would do that. These guys aren't social workers, none of them. All of them can and will play hard ball. Although not mentioning Clinton hardly qualifies as hardball, just common sense.

by Becky G on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:04:27 AM EST

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