John McCain Launches First General Election Ad

John McCain's first general election ad began airing today with an ad buy in New Mexico. The ad, whose slogan is "The American president Americans have been waiting for," is titled "624787," a reference to the number by which McCain identifies himself in the grainy black and white video taken of him while a POW. As many of his web ads over the course of the primary did, this one creepily exploits his status as a POW to hit us over the head with his war hero credentials.

I think it's pretty clear that the ad wears its expectation that Obama will be McCain's general election opponent on its sleeve the way it plays up the patriotism angle (a narrative the right clearly expects will pay dividends for them against Obama in the fall) and the experience angle (with references to "ready on day one" and "walk the walk.") The problem with this for McCain, though, is that if Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee it will mean that the experience argument attempted by Clinton against Obama will have failed. I know it's pretty much all McCain has but is he really prepared to just entirely cede the change mantle to Obama, or even Clinton for that matter? The McCain campaign probably thinks there's plenty of time to make that case but when the Democrats are already hammering the message that McCain is nothing but 4 more years of Bush, you'd think he'd try to use the first ad of the campaign to counter that. Instead, what they're doing here is spending thousands of dollars to reinforces what people already think of McCain.



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An independent friend of mine said... (none / 0)

He told me that in a year when voters are demanding change, the major parties are trying to give us McCain and Hillary, two of the most ultra-Establishment hacks in Washington (his words).  And then Democrats wonder why the indies don't become Democrats.

That being said, I wonder how many Hillary supporters will CHEER this evidence that McCain is going to run a campaign based on crypto-racist, anti-Muslim, nativist bigotry?  After all, it must mean Hillary is more electable or something.


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by fat lady singing on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:16:06 PM EST

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I think you are correct, that American's are already aware of his "war hero" status,  but we've got too many dead in Iraq (hero's all) too many wounded vets (hero's all) from a war he voted for, supports and wants to expand, for that to matter much.

He has no clue about the economy, he has no clue about foreign policy (if it moves, bomb it), he will not be able to debate Obama (he won't have Joe there to whisper corrections in his ear) and once we can resolve our bickering and get moving, we should be able to knock him down very quickly from where he currently sits in the polls.  


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by NeciVelez on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:20:28 PM EST

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and the experience angle (with references to "ready on day one" and "walk the walk.") The problem with this for McCain, though, is that if Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee it will mean that the experience argument attempted by Clinton against Obama will have failed. I know it's pretty much all McCain has but is he really prepared to just entirely cede the change mantle to Obama, or even Clinton for that matter?

The general election electorate is different from the democratic primary electorate. So, it doesn't necessarily at all follow that because the experience argument didn't work out for Hillary that it won't work for McCain. That said, I think that Obama's change and good judgment over mere experience narratives are strongly compelling. And yes, experience is all McCain has got. Even McCain  hammering on his experience could damage him by also driving home the point that he's really old, looks even older than is and will look older still as the stress of the general election takes it's toll.


by Quinton on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:21:04 PM EST

"Experience" (none / 0)

That's the Beltway euphemism for "wrong about everything ever since Bush got elected".


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by fat lady singing on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:23:21 PM EST
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The judgement agument has been shot. Even Obama's not trying to make that one anymore IMO. Maybe he could sell change but we'll have to see. It doesn't look like change is that big of deal to the voters when Obama represents it according to the polls.


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by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:32:45 PM EST
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Actually he is trying to run the general election on his own terms.

Patriotism , character and love of country.

He clearly believes the democrats attack on him and Bush would not stick.

Thats a great ad by the way.


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by lori on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:21:19 PM EST

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This ad appears to target Obama.
The Fox regurgitation
No Pin
Turning away with hand not over heart
Michelle's comments
Muslim guy
"Goddam America" (crazy Christian preacher Black guy)
ah..angry black guy candidate(ya know a N)
bi-racial parents
hates his grandmother
drug use
wants to surrender to al-Q
etc ...etc...etc...
Please let this be the McCain campaign against Obama and the Democratic Party...
feel free to add your own....
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by nogo war on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:24:28 PM EST

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Hate to bring this up, but, let's get real.
He had better stay away from "drug use".  There is a big difference between a kid who smoked some pot, or experimented briefly, and a wife who robbed a "charity" (and should have done hard Federal time) for a heroin substitute addiction.

If he goes there, or his surrogates do - the gloves will go off - so I don't think he/they had better.  


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by NeciVelez on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:33:37 PM EST
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True that, its an ugly story but if Bill, or Michelle had done something like that and got off do to theuir spouses cronyism it would be a campaign ending story,


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:35:45 PM EST
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Wait until Nam Vets demonstrate in front of places he is making speeches.  Many of them have no love for John McCain. Who knows? The networks might even ask them why they are there (doubtful, but I can hope)

I don't think it's a great ad - but then I lived through Vietnam and lost two cousins and many friends in that war.


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by NeciVelez on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:26:28 PM EST

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I don't think it's a great ad - but then I lived through Vietnam and lost two cousins and many friends in that war.


The scarcest thing about McCain is that his experience in Viet Nam has paradoxically imbued him with an irrational belief in the power of American arms -- if only they can be unleashed from the control of timid politicians.  Take a look at the article McCain's Viet Nam published in The Nation in the run up to the elections 8 years ago.  


But there is a dark side to McCain's posture as a hero. Though he suffered as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he seems blind to the suffering inflicted on that nation by America's brutal and misguided war. [. . .]

For McCain, strategic thinking starts and ends with Vietnam, and with the Americans who fought and died there. "The memory of them, of what they bore for honor and country, causes me to look in every prospective conflict for the shadow of Vietnam," McCain said in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in August. Yet in looking for that shadow, McCain draws all the wrong conclusions.

Rather than accepting America's defeat in Vietnam as a humbling one and a fitting end to an arrogant and vainglorious exercise of military power, McCain considers the war in Vietnam to have been a "noble cause," whose loss might have been avoided but for the timidity of America's political leaders. Like many Vietnam-era military men, McCain believes that the war could have been won had America sent ground forces into North Vietnam and launched a strategic bombing campaign using B-52s. "That," says Daniel Ellsberg, the Vietnam-era Defense Department official who leaked the so-called Pentagon Papers, "is an incredibly discredited point of view." McCain appears unworried by concern that such actions would have led to enormous US casualties and perhaps caused either China or the Soviet Union to enter the war.

McCain's gung-ho attitude toward the Vietnam conflict has its roots in the months he spent in Vietnam's skies. In Faith of My Fathers he describes how, looking down at Soviet ships unloading arms in Vietnamese ports and at the construction of surface-to-air-missile sites, he chafed at the "frustratingly limited bombing targets" that restricted air raids to military installations, roads, bridges and power plants, calling such constraints "senseless" and "illogical." "We thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots," he wrote.


This of course was before 9/11 and before the Iraq war, but it is clear that McCain views this war through the same dark shadow of his view of Viet Nam: a war that would have been a victory but for timid political leaders.  McCain may seem too old for this job, but on the other hand this could be viewed as the last chance of the Viet Nam generation come to power and vindicate our loss in Viet Nam.  It would be very dangerous to have such a man in charge of our war machine  -- in many ways he is damaged goods -- a man who suffered physical and mental abuse years on end -- a man capable of intense rages and long lived vendettas.  He is not the guy we want picking up the phone at 3:00 AM able to rain death down anywhere he says.


by Fred in Vermont on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:32:43 PM EST
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Fred, thank you for that reference.

I agree that his entire perspective is warped by Vietnam.  My worry is that many young people don't even remember Nam and the ignominy of our efforts, and that many people my age (I'm 60) or older may see Iraq/Iran as a way to finally have a "victory".  Clearly delusional, but not all people think rationally.  This is "machismo" taken to its highest level.  John McCain as John Wayne.  I don't think his conflation of Iran/Iraq is an accident.  It is a jingoistic  cry that hails back to the Crusades.


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by NeciVelez on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:05:33 AM EST
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I think it's too early to tell if the patriotism angle will really be a big factor in the GE.  I hate to sound cynical but I don't see patriotism as being a huge issue to young voters.  But to people like my grandparents and my parents it is a very big deal.  It is somewhat to me as well (I am almost 40).  It's not in my top 5 though.

I respect John McCain for the way he served our country in the military.  I do not want him to be our President though.


by JustJennifer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:27:46 PM EST

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It will be against Obama. The narrative is setting in that he isn't patriotic.


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by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:30:13 PM EST
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But how much will voters care about patriotism?  I guess maybe this is where my cynicism lies.  I don't see the younger generation as being all that grateful for the sacrifices the older generation has made for their freedom.  In fact I think the younger generation now sees war and serving your country as something that people are tricked into doing by a nefarious Republican government.


by JustJennifer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:55:57 PM EST
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Well, I do agree with you about young people. However, they are the lowest voting population and are easily demoralized so I don't think they are going to be a decisive factor in the general election.


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by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:07:15 PM EST
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This is a mistake bloggers continually make:
It didn't work in the primary therefore it won't work in the general. Well, if 1/2 of the Dem primary voters think experience is important, what's to keep McCaim from appealing ot them with this kind of ad. Obama's coalition is basically the same one Dukakis had.
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by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:29:08 PM EST

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Oh yeah
Obama spoke against the winning "Surge"
http://icasualties.org/oif/

In his economic address he hates rich people and Wall Street
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNe ws/idINN2833092820080328?rpc=44


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by nogo war on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:33:48 PM EST

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"The problem with this for McCain, though, is that if Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee it will mean that the experience argument attempted by Clinton against Obama will have failed."

If the  experience argument fails in primary season, that doesn't mean it will fail in GE -- where naive wingnuts don't have much influence.


by moevaughn on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:34:16 PM EST

Vegas: McCain is All in on National Security (none / 0)

Honestly: it is a pretty good bio ad, very slick and polished with one single message: I am here, i will stand the post and nothing will happen to you to night.

I wonder who directed it?

Anyway, this is not a surprise. We all know that McCain was/is/will be running on national security. His faith is tied to the faith of the surge. If we have a clam summer in Iraq (which is very unlikely), i think he will be in a strong position in the fall. If we do not have a  clam summer, well he will make the argument and attack Senator Obama with one question: "Are you ready to go back in and re-send troops to Iraq if all hell breaks loose after the total withdraw what you are advocating? Are you ready to take that gamble?"

Senator Obama needs to be prepared to answer this question and in less than 2 sentences.


by likelihood zero on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:35:01 PM EST

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The American public let GWB into the White House - who shirked his service, Bill Clinton, who dodged the draft...I really don't think it's a big issue.  


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by NeciVelez on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:35:50 PM EST

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The only way McCain can beat Obama is to make him personally unacceptable as president.  The Republicans will try to mesh his inexperience with the Jeremiah Wright stuff in an attempt to do this.  I think it will probably work.  Obama will have to talk his way into the White House.  It's not like he has a reservoir of accomplishments and good will built up with the people.


by Upstate Dem on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:37:16 PM EST

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A tad over the top patriotism wise...but do not underestimate the power of an ad like this. While Hillary does have a very good argument that she is better prepared than Obama, she doesn't have the kind of visuals McCain can pull out.

Expect to see another with the film of him jumping from an exploding Jet on the Deck of the U.S.S. Forrestal. Whatever you may think of him politically now...the fact is he is a genuine war hero. A tough opponent no matter what the lay of the land is politically...

McCain is going to do far better than Obama supporters want to believe! A victory for him would not shock me in the least!


by SaveElmer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:38:24 PM EST

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Kerry was a genuine war hero, too, but they smeared him endlessly...

Supposedly, McCain was a pretty lousy pilot, and was only given his commission 'cos his daddy was an Admiral...  

I'd love to give back the same treatment they gave John Kerry, but, I know, that Democrats could never get away with it.  It seems that only Republicans can get away with smearing war heroes... and that just burns my bottom!!!

Friggin' double standard!


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by LordMike on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:53:26 PM EST
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Won't work. Kerry didn't have the visuals...and McCains status is so well ingrained with the public that no swift boat attack will work. And while Kerry was a hero, he didn't have the same experiences McCain had. The cold hard fact is any lame attempt on the left to swift boat a man tortured by the Viet Cong for a year would back fire spectacularly. And rightly so.


by SaveElmer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:58:23 PM EST
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"I'd love to give back the same treatment they gave John Kerry"

Well, that would be a very bad mistake to do the same thing to McCain. Moreover, even though me might have been a lousy pilot (which he by the way said it several times before. Remember, he said "if i were a good pilot, i would not have intercepted a missile with my plane"), he endured 5 years in a North Vietnamese prison camp where he was tortured. That i think would erase all his bad piloting skills.

More importantly, he is not a wimp like Kerry (remember, he was the only republican who defended Kerry during the swiftboating scandal), and if you do that to him, he will get into your face and will attack you mercelessly. He already had an argument with Obama in the senate about 2 years go, during which he said "Senator Obama does not know the difference between a bong and an RPG" and also something about Senator Obama calling flak-jacket a flat-jacket.

I would not try to attacking on his service at all. And i think the American people do not have the stomach for such a nasty fight and it will backfire.


by likelihood zero on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:14:31 PM EST
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I agree - do not attack or belittle his military service in any way.

Acknowledge it, say it's honorable, and then talk about how he's wrong on today's questions. Iraq, the Economy, Health Care...  McCain is more of the same.

One question I have for Clinton supporters - given that McCain seems to be using the same sort of experience angle she has - and given that he flatly has more of that kind of experience - how does she overcome that?

Particularly given the visuals of his service vs (whatever you think of the fairness of it) Bosnia.  Which build up his "experience" and undermine hers and given that much of hers comes from the Clinton administration the modern far right is built around attacking.

Even assuming she can reunite the party - how does she beat McCain on those "issues"?


by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:56:56 PM EST
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I am not a Clinton supporter, but i think Senator Clinton would have gone after McCain using her superior knowledge of the economy (which is actually and to be fair, superior to everyone in this race) to bury McCain. I think she would have also used the surge and how it is not working and so forth.

I have no doubt that she could beat McCain. We have to be fair here, and acknowledge the fact that she carries with her strong and faithful demographic groups and she is very popular with rural folks (just look at the Missouri primary where she lost all big urban center and carried every rural county by a large margin). Moreover, no one is going to blame her for her lack of military service because she is a woman and she grew up in an era where women did not serve in the military. However, she has some serious pieces of legislation that she was successful to pass and that dealt directly with military matters, which allowed her to have some bone fide when it comes to military matters (even Lindsay Graham recognizes that)

Anyway, there a couple of arguments that Obama should be very careful when the time comes for him to begin making them. The first one is the unity and bipartisanship argument. McCain has more pieces of legislations that he passed on bipartisan basis than anyone else out there (McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Durbin and so forth) and Obama has none (not sure about this one though). So, McCain can always turn to Senator Obama and ask him "Senator, you talk about unity and bipartisanship, what have you done in the Senate that shows that?" The second one is "i was against the war in 2002. McCain can always say, "well, we all know that you were against the war in 2002, but we are 2008 and what do you propose doing now." And the answer to these questions could be the key of his victory or defeat, in my opinion.

I am an Obama supporter and i am not at all that confident. His VP choice has to be a very good one. He really needs to think hard about this one.


by likelihood zero on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:44:50 PM EST
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it wouldn't shock me either, and in fact I think he would be the favorite against Obama. He has tons going for him, including the press adulation, which matter more than just about anything. Just ask Bush and Reagan.

I don't he can just run on his war hero status. It simply doesn't win you the White House. Long gone are the days of former generals or war heroes (Jackson, Tyler, Eisenhower, Grant etc etc) who could simply get elected on their military service. John Kerry basically ran on his war experience and very little else. Virtually all of his ads talked about Kerry the hero. That did not turn out very well for him, and the Swift Boat episode pretty much proves that you can make a war hero into a pansy with a few ads. If all John McCain has is "look at me look at me!!! I am a war hero!!! elect me!" then he's making it much tougher for himself to win a race he has a shot to win easily against Obama.


by need some wood on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:56:35 PM EST
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It's a big advantage to start with...

And McCain does have a reputation outside of his military service that appeals to voters. While very conservative he has bucked his party on any number of issues...finance reform and the environment to name two. The fact that he has a relatively high approval rating among Democrats bodes well for him.


by SaveElmer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:01:05 PM EST
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Patriotism? (none / 0)

Where'd you get that idea? Was it the tagline "John McCain: An American American for America's America and Americans?" I thought it was pretty subtle.


by rusty on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:57:09 PM EST
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But Kerry allowed himself to be smeared because he refused to respond to any of the GOP attacks until it was too late.

McCain is a lot more formidable than Obama supporters like to think.


by rayj on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:00:59 PM EST

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"McCain is a lot more formidable than Obama supporters like to think."

Not sure why you're singling out Hillary fans here: do you think she'll be running against Huckabee or Romney if she gets the nomination?

McCain was the most formidable Republican candidate by far. It's unlucky for all the Democrats that the Republicans picked him.

Made all the more inexcusable those comments from the Clintons that kept praising him.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:25:28 PM EST
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Not so. (none / 0)

"The problem with this for McCain, though, is that if Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee it will mean that the experience argument attempted by Clinton against Obama will have failed."

Hillary Clinton has no real experience to speak of, which is why her argument failed. The same cannot be said of John McCain.


by VA Blogger2 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:19:25 PM EST

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We should not confuse primary and general elections. The experience argument is going to be a serious one in the general elections. It hasn't worked so far, but that's because it is the primaries of the democratic party.

Moreover, Senator Clinton has more experience than Senator Obama in the Senate, although i hate to admit that, that's the truth. I think against McCain, the debate between Senator Clinton and McCain would have been on some other things than experience.

McCain is predicting, rightly so, that Senator Obama is going to win the primaries this is why he is making the experience and national security argument. It is not a perfect argument, but who cares about perfection in electoral politics anyway.


by likelihood zero on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:54:08 PM EST
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Democrats don't care as much about "experience" right now as evidenced by Obama's showing. The general election will be a whole different animal however because Republicans and Independents may care more about it. McCain and Obama do have a stature gap, sorry but its there. The question is will the economy and/or Iraq tank bad enough so that voters won't care.

McCain is going right after Clinton voters "ready on day one?" where have we heard that one?


by rossinatl on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST

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"The American President"??

I very much hope that the Democrat candidate puts out an ad that easily counters this with a "Because we are all Americans, and some of us haven't forgotten it." slogan.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:32:22 PM EST

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Ok, and please don't blast me for this, as I have never said that either Hillary or Obama should drop out, but there is no Democratic candidate to counter this ad.  If the nomination battle goes all the way to the convention in August, McCain will be running these ads, without any ads running back to counter it, for at least 5 months.

That is, to me, the only legitimate reason that anyone calling for either candidate to drop out has.  But it isn't one that we can discount.


by JackieinCA on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:01:56 PM EST
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Actually, there is a slightly subtler trick being played at the beginning of this add: John McCain is not the same public speaker that Barack Obama is. (Or even that Hillary Clinton is, for that matter.) But if you take a dramatic camera angle and a carefully chosen snippet and then pop it with a dramatic, Hollywood-esque soundtrack...

Don't forget the lesson that Reagan taught the Republicans: Style over substance.


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by Justin Alexander on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:33:04 PM EST

Does anybody know (none / 0)

Why in the world McCain would use the bad guy from Sudden Death and Tombstone to be the voice actor in his movie?


by TheSilverMonkey on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:38:53 PM EST

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It's a decent ad, but I don't know that this patriotism approach is really what people want.  Didn't work for Dole.  Got pulled right out from under Kerry's feet.  

He's patriotic.  Great.  He served honorably in a war that ended decades ago.  Wonderful.

What've ya done for me lately, John?

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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:41:34 AM EST

i have not seen such horrid ads (none / 0)

it sounds like some old dude at a VFW Conference, or American Legion. When he falls off stages like Bob Dole, then it will get interesting.


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by DiamondJay on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:07:34 PM EST


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