Major General Stewart feels degraded

Major General (Retired) Walter L. Stewart, Jr. has written an open letter to Hillary Clinton in which he calls on military service persons and veterans to renounce their support for Hillary Clinton:


Valor theft degrades every service member and veteran, and, as a point of honor, I call on the former admirals, generals, and service veterans who are publicly in support of Senator Clinton to renounce that support. Continue it, and her dishonor is your dishonor.


Hillary Clinton's "misremembering" of sniper fire has made her a joke in many circles (e.g., hello Sinbad), but for the veterans I know (and I know lots of them), they're actually pretty pissed. She is lucky this didn't blow up on her (no pun intended) before Murtha made his endorsement public. This may have been enough to force his hand into neutrality.

A couple of days ago, a Bosnian veteran who actually met Hillary Clinton that fateful day wrote a letter to a Pennsylvania blogger explaining her version of what happened that day. This is what she had to say about Senator Clinton's story:


To trivialize the atrocities suffered by the real people I met in that country for political gain is beyond my ability to comprehend.  I met mothers who had lost their children and children who had lost their parents. The sheer leap of credibility that the First Lady would have brought her daughter into an active war zone is an insult to the people there who suffered more than real risk, they suffered real loss.


She even included a copy of her commendation for service in Bosnia so that people could verify that she was actually there (no misremembering for her, eh?).

This general, who is calling on military service persons to withdraw support for Senator Clinton, says that her misremembering sniper fire would make her ineligible for promotion in the Army:


as to Senator Clinton, were she a sergeant seeking promotion, her known fabrication of battle facts would disqualify her. I have been under fire many times, so much so that the incidents run together, but you can bet I remember the first time.


This kind of false public statement would probably preclude a military service person from promotion. I will vote for the DEM nominee in the GE, but many of my fellow soldiers feel strongly that we should not have a Commander in Chief who would lie (their words) about being shot at in a war zone. It was interesting that two of my Army buddies hadn't spoke with each other but had almost exactly the same things to say. Neither talked much about the valor theft, although what little they did say about it was not nice. Rather, they were more concerned with the diplomatic aspects of the episode. They both pointed out that if she was a sitting president and made up a story like this that it could get us into another war. A stretch? Maybe... but you can bet there are more service persons who feel just like they do.

One last note, you should know that the general who wrote the letter is an Obama supporter:


I proudly acknowledge that I changed voter registration so I could vote for Senator Obama in Pennsylvania's presidential primary. With 4000 dead in the supra-strategic national tragedy that is Iraq I could not but do otherwise.


You can read the rest of his letter here and Tammi Hetherington's letter here (also linked above.

One thing is for sure, there are some strong feelings on this from some of our military men and women. You can bet we haven't heard the last of this, and I anticipate this dogging Clinton in her Senate re-election too.

I just hope she fires Mark Penn, and gives a public apology to the troops she may lead next year. That would look much better than chalking multiple sniper misspokes to "sleep deprivation" . . . and TRUST ME . . . EVERY soldier has performed fire watch, so we know what REAL sleep deprivation feels like!



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Thanks for your service to our country and for this perspective.  Rec'd!


by mefck on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:30:35 PM EST

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you posted this already...

I dunno I will rec. it its a good letter, but this is not the sort of thing that will get any serious discussion on this site.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:32:54 PM EST

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I deleted the original, rushed diary. I had time to refine it after work.

Thanks for the rec.

:o)


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by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:50:42 PM EST

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ah, heh good luck for the rec.

it's near impossible for a diary that isn't gushing for Hillary to get rec'd.

though it if was pro-hillary and full of lies that even some Hillary supporters who be ashamed of. it can hit the rec list in 10 minutes.


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by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:53:22 PM EST
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I understand . . . this letter hit over 100 comments in an hour on DKOS, but that site is like talking to a mirror.

MyDD will be the next "battle-ground state" in the blogosphere primary.


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by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:57:27 PM EST
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lol,

MyDD is slowly becoming a site just like Taylormarsh.com

the only difference is, people who don't agree with the site are banned from commenting. otherwise this would be a site just like Taylormarsh, or Hillaryis44


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:03:05 PM EST
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Let's see here ... Hillary was on how many flights in Bosnia during her trip (hint, more than one)?  The video shows her exiting a plane, not a blackhawk, yet there are reports of her other flights being on a blackhawk.

Somehow the hue and cry from Obama supporters to eschew one video of one event from one trip abroad as proof of a 'lie' is, well, disingenuous.

So is one military leader's 'letter' about the 'event'.

Show me General Clark's dismissal of Hillary and you'll be onto something.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:08:53 PM EST

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I am going to go out on a limb here, and say that HRC might want this story to die. She "misspoke" or was "sleep-deprived" . . . but she isn't dumb enough to add to her tale.

I know that we would NEVER allow Chelsea and the First Lady into ANY zones that would have placed them in harms way.

I joined the Army under Bill, and defended his Bosnia policies to my angry GOP comrades in the nineties.

I just hope we elect a DEM in the GE . . .and it is better for both OBAMA and HRC to vett each other now, and KUMBAYA in JULY!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:19:51 PM EST
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Let it go-even HRC admitted to not being accurate.  Clark, who wasn't there could not speak to her statement's accuracy.


by mefck on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:25:42 PM EST
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She has admitted to not being accurate.  However, others have seized upon that as an opportunity to denigrate her and label her as a serial liar, when in fact, she has merely done something many of us do, subliminally converged events from one trip into one story.

Clark, who wasn't there but was in charge (right?) could speak about whether he feels 'degraded' or not by her words.

Folks want to make more of this military man's statement than they should.  Remember, military men were the ones who swiftboated John Kerry, so not all of them are 100% without bias or malice.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:51:33 PM EST
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Actually the Honorable General Clark (great VP option) was in a safe staff job as the  Director, Strategic Plans and Policy, J5, the Joint Staff until June 1996. He did not become CIC of U.S. European Command until July of 1997.

Chelsea and the First Lady visited Tuzla March of 1996.


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by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:08:13 PM EST
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Hi Em!

I can understand how Clinton supporters would want to downplay this after watching Rev Wright loop for two weeks.

However, the vetting process that Sen. Clinton has advocated should be taken in both directions.  If there is to be any weight to the vetting argument - and I think there should be - then the accuracy in the claims of experience  cannot be disregarded.  This is a specific statement made by Sen. Clinton as a significant part of her credentials.

While the validity of this claim is rightly an enormous issue when seen from the perspective of the military people who could both justifiably see the story as a condemnation of their competency to protect the First Lady (iow - that they would allow her into a zone full of active sniper fire) and from a perpective of "valor theft" as SPC Jann and the General refer to, it is even more troubling from a "Ready to be Commander in Chief" perspective for the rest of us.

1/  The specificity of the claim is troubling from a civilian point of view.  Is a person who cannot keep the points above in mind as well as the memory of events not that long in the past (12 years is not long enough to forget the details of being shot at) really qualified to be CiC?  Will the military be willing to give her the respect a CiC needs given the severity of this faux pas?

2/  The inability to take responsiblity for the remark is troubling in context of future high-pressure moments.  How will she perform when faced with the pressures of the worst days of the job if she cannot handle this one?

I have very strong biases in this competition and those should be known, but the mechanical logic of not vetting Sen. Clinton on these issues cannot be argued against.  Even if it somehow could, the scrutiny of the church choice of her rival would at the very least indicate that this issue cannot in any way be said to be unfair ground for her own vetting.

-cheers!

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:05:11 PM EST
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Heard that guy on the radio the other morning. He sounded exactly like the Swift Boat Veterans, and the veterans who claimed that Gore was a pampered Senator's son and never in danger when he was in the service. It's pretty easy to find retired military personnel to question any Democratic candidate's military service or bravery. These are the tried and true tactics of the GOP. Congratulations for getting suckered by them (again).


by LakersFan on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:04:15 PM EST

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I am a veteran, and a Democrat.

I would hope that my candidate would not use our service to tell tales for political gain.

I will still vote for her if she is the nominee, but she has failed this test of integrity (the 6th Army Value).

I can overlook it, but many w/o DEM allegiance will not.

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless-service
Honor
Integrity
Personal courage


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:25:55 PM EST
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The veterans who are making these claims are being used for someone's political gain, and it's not Clinton's.

On the other hand, Republicans use veterans for political gain all the time, so maybe you should be more suspicious when veterans are being used to undermine the credentials of Democrats. These are the same tactics that were used to question the bravery and service of your fellow veterans, John Kerry and Al Gore.  


by LakersFan on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:40:47 PM EST
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I actually know Tammi (the former Specialist Jann), and she is not being "used" by anyone.

I can't speak for the General (I think he is directly linked to the Obama campaign), but Tammi wrote the original letter on her own.

You can verify this with John Morgan of the PA blog.


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by Veteran75 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:15:23 PM EST
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I'm sure Tammi is a great person and a credit to the US military, but people often get used by others, even when they don't know it.

Tammi was at the Tuzla base and saw Hillary and Chelsea inside the lobby. But she didn't see them outside where Flak jackets were required, so she can't actually say whether they wore them on the base. Tammi says it is improper for a visiting dignitary to compare their own experience with those who risk their lives, but Clinton never compared her experience to that of a soldier.

I think we all need to be cautious about veterans' statements being used this way during a presdential campaign. Political campaigns don't have the same commitment to honesty and integrity that solders do.


by LakersFan on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:09:54 PM EST
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"Political campaigns don't have the same commitment to honesty and integrity that solders do."

You are correct.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:04:28 AM EST
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"Political campaigns don't have the same commitment to honesty and integrity that solders do."

That is the problem.

They damn well should, and they can.

If a politician aims to command soldiers who, in battle or even in peace time will lose their lives following orders, then they should hold themselves to a standard higher than they would ask of those serving under their name.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 09:31:03 AM EST
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Why are you troll rating me if you agree with me?


by LakersFan on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 05:50:42 PM EST
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"Political campaigns don't have the same commitment to honesty and integrity that solders do."

You are correct.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:04:04 AM EST


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