270 To Win- The Road to November

Regardless of the candidate you support for President, be it Obama or Clinton, we have a key component that needs to be addressed before the general election on November 4th of this year. To be President of the United States of America, one has to garner 270 votes in the electoral college- as many of us will grimly remember, you can eke out a win in the popular vote total, only to be denied the Presidency.

Senator Bill Nelson (D-Florida) today announced he would be sponsoring legislation to reshape the way primaries are run, as well as for restructuring (or disbanding) the electoral college. This is an interesting proposal- certainly something we should all pay attention to. Until then, however, the goal is still 270 electoral votes.

Now, many arguments have been tossed back and forth between Obama and Clinton supporters about whom can outperform whom in the General Election vis a vis the electoral votes they can garner. They are certainly valid arguments to be made, but at this stage of the game, it's very hard to predict what the end result will be when we're still over half a year out.

Doing some research based off of current polling from Rasmussen, Gallup, SUSA, and Quinnipiac, I have come up with a startling realization as to who can take the electoral college, though. Of the Democratic candidates, the one who can take 270 votes is... Senator Barack Obama AND Senator Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, they can also both lose, and as it stands now, they stand a very good chance of doing so.

Here's how.

Let's assume we get through the nominating process and a nominee is crowned; let's say it's Senator Obama.

Senator Obama's Road to 270

Based off of current polling, he carries traditionally Democratic strongholds such as California, New York, et cetera, and McCain keeps Republican strongholds in the South and West.

The key, of course, is in the swing states. With the "firm" states Obama holds, by my figuring, he stands at about 225 electoral votes, while McCain's "firm" states are at about 200. The swing states in my model here are Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Florida, a total of 113 electoral votes. Polling was close in a few other places, like North Carolina and North Dakota, but I gave them to the Republicans based on past trends. Likewise, Obama held a slight (but statistically registering) lead in Michigan, and based on past trends, I gave it to him.

Iowa, Nevada, and Colorado all poll well for Obama versus McCain. They each have mixed results from past voting. But let's grant them to Obama, which brings his total up to 246. Connecticut and New Hampshire also seem likely to be pro-Obama- he polls better there versus McCain than Clinton does (though in Connecticut, Clinton still leads McCain, just within the margin of error), so we'll grant them to Obama as well.

The result? 257 electoral college votes. Within spitting distance of the goal. But as we saw in 2000, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This means that a win for Obama in any of the remaining swing states- Virginia, Florida, Pennsylvania, or Ohio- will put him at or over 270. Virginia puts him right AT 270, but hey, that's all it takes.

Now, this shows Obama's positives and negatives. Virginia polls well for Obama, he is either within the margin of error or slightly ahead of McCain. Virginia has traditionally been Republican (since the 1960s), but that has reversed in the last two to four years. Virginians elected Senator Jim Webb in 2006, and Democrats have been increasing their presence in the state congress in the same time period.

However, all Obama has to do is fail to win just one of these states, and McCain runs away with the Presidency, 283-257. The way to address this is to ensure the swing states that are firm or likely Obama stay that way, and to campaign heavily and build a rapport with the people of Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. If Senator Obama gets the nomination, Senator Clinton will hopefully join him in helping the process along, and she would do much to help shore up support in these states.

The end result- Obama can get 270, but his chances improve dramatically with the help of Senator Clinton and a unified Democratic party.

Now, let's take a look at Senator Clinton.

Senator Clinton's Road to 270

Again, Senator Clinton performs well in traditionally Democratic strongholds, vis a vis McCain's performance in the Republicans'. However, based off the polling, Senator Clinton's "firm" rating, based off the polling data, stands at 188 electoral votes, compared to McCain's 223. However, some of the states the polls consider "swing"- Michigan, for example- would almost certainly go for Senator Clinton. So I'll throw that one to her, which is a total of 205 electoral votes.

Senator Clinton loses Nevada, Colorado, and Iowa in these polls versus Obama, but picks up strong showings in West Virginia, Arkansas. The result? Clinton's swing states are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Arkansas, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Connecticut, and New Hampshire.

While close, polling suggests McCain would take New Hampshire and possibly Connecticut. The last Republican that won a vote in Connecticut was Bush I, who was a longtime resident of that state. Bill Clinton ended an almost twenty-year streak of Republican voting. If we go off the polling for this go-round, at this point in time, it goes for McCain. That's now 234/205, advantage McCain.

Minnesota and Wisconsin are both right on the edge for McCain/Clinton; Clinton leads versus McCain in Minnesota, and vice versa in Wisconsin, but both are very slim in each direction. We'll give them to Clinton for argument's sake, and that's now 225/234, advantage McCain.

Now, Arkansas and West Virginia, as we said, could easily go for Clinton. Polling is close right now. Let's give them both to Clinton, and the total tips to her advantage, 236 to 234. The three states remaining... Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida.

For one possible scenario, let's figure since McCain is popular with Hispanics, probably just as much as Clinton, and that Clinton is moreso with working-class "Reagan Democrats" and lower-income voters, we'll give McCain Florida and Clinton Pennsylvania.

And it's Ohio- again. The same as in 2004. So Clinton has to make sure she can combat McCain's popularity with independents, moderates, and Hispanics, can keep Arkansas and West Virginia (without which, even if she gets Ohio, she loses 266-272), and more importantly, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

So the result is each of them can win, and each can lose. They have their own strengths and weaknesses. Obama's key strength is to restructure the map, so to speak, winning previously Republican-trending states, where Clinton has her strength running a more "traditional" Democratic campaign, trying to pick up a couple of swing states, plus one (or possibly two) of the Ohio/Pennsylvania/Florida trifecta.

The point here, I suppose, is that while both candidates have a chance of winning by playing their own "game", neither has a realistic shot without the support of the entire Democratic party, working towards a common goal. I've mostly ignored possible scandals that have occurred/may occur on either side in figuring these numbers, but the most destructive thing to either candidate will be if the rift in the part is not healed by November.

That's the easiest way to ensure a McCain victory- disunity and animosity. Keep that in mind, folks, no matter what happens with this primary season.



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Re: 270 To Win- The Road to November (1.66 / 3)

Great diary. I really hope Obama and his campaign realize SOON that they really pissing off so many Hillary supporters. I am seriously getting tired of Obama rules.


by praxis1 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:06:12 PM EST

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This split is troubling.

I'm curious if you'd similarly caution Hillary against trying to win this nomination by a swell of superdelegate support to override Obama's pledged delegate lead.  Wonder who that'd piss off...


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:31:31 PM EST
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I do not find it "offensive" when Obama tried to block re-vote in MI and FL. I do not find it "offensive" when Hillary, following DNC rules, claimed that superdelegates can choose whomever they want. Both incidences are about public sphere.

But I find it very offensive when Obama campaign attacks Hillary's character/personality. If you can not see the difference, I guess our party just became the Rovian republican party.


by praxis1 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:39:27 PM EST
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ooooOOOOOOOOHHHHHhhhhh

rovian.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:52:36 PM EST
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Clinton got her hands dirty too.  Right now they're both fighting in the mud.


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:55:05 PM EST
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great diary!

but i disagree in part with your comment - i do find it offensive that the BO camp tried to block re-vote in MI and FL as well as when Obama campaign attacks Hillary's character/personality and claims that HRC is the one doing it.

in any case - its a pickle.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:19:40 PM EST
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Troll rate? Why? (none / 0)

furiousxgeorge just troll rated this comment? Being a Hillary supporter deserves a "troll rating". What a wonderful judgement? I guess Obama taught furiousxgeorge "judgement".


by praxis1 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:35:34 PM EST
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Re: Troll rate? Why? (none / 0)

furiousxgeorge is also troll-rating pro-Obama postings in other threads. This is a poster problem, not an Obama-supporter problem.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:40:35 PM EST
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How is Connecticut a swing state in both campus. Quinnipiac had Obama up double digits and as long as Hillary is up, I think this state is locked for them.

The Lieberman buyer's remorse is fairly strong in the Nutmeg State.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:09:00 PM EST

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No doubt Obama will offer the VP Clinton. If only to placate her base. Whether she will take it, I don't know.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:18:15 PM EST

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He should have made a pact with her that its

Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama weeks ago.  IF they had both agreed and his folks can point at the belief that she would say no as her being the problem.

She was sending signals to him and he didn't send any back...

If it was Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton this race would become civil pretty quick.

If it was announced NOW not at the convention.


by DTaylor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:31:23 PM EST
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It's not junior high.  These things can be handled out of the public view, so that you don't need to master morse code, smoke signals, ASL, or have a Super Secret Decoder Ring.

If she were serious about a shared ticket, no matter who was at the top, then I'd hope it was approached in a more official manner than "sending signals."

But...I WOULD like to see some sort of resolution.    


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:56:54 PM EST
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Kind of like sending Edwards to talk to Obama who delayed the meeting?

Wonder what that was about...


by DTaylor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:15:50 PM EST
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I thought that would have been cool last month before the Clintons kept talking about it as they were saying he wasn't ready.    A real signal would have been a quiet camp to camp communication.   Maybe that occurred but the public overtures were not so great.   When either candidate claims they are addressing the other but are doing so through the press it isn't really genuine.

Since the 3AM ad I think folks would be confused if they got on the same ticket out of the blue.

The more interesting questions are HOW could they start behaving so the public could accept it?     It seemed so doable before TX and OH.   Now it seems impossible.


by drowsy on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:59:03 PM EST
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EXCELLENT DIARY.. (none / 0)

Wonderful diary.. finally, a balanced look at possibilities.

CHEERS to you!!!

The reality and political bottom-line is this :

We cannot win the presidency without winning Kerry states + either of Ohio or Florida. It is as simple as that...

The only democrat who can flip Ohio or Florida - Hillary Rodham Clinton.

All other scenarios are difficult (or pipe dreams, imo).


by loser on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:24:44 PM EST

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Well the GOP lite Obama/Bloomburg could also win but  it would get Dean and Pelosi in a world of trouble...


by DTaylor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:32:26 PM EST
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It's all Ohio again if HRC gets nom, as the diary lays out. Basically the same map as '04 and '00.

But if Obama gets the nom, he'll need VA or OH or FL or PA. Big difference, everything rides on OH for HRC.

And all Obama would have to do to get PA, VA, and OH is put Webb on the ticket with him.


by grover738 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:32:33 PM EST
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Great analysis.  It's evident that we need a unified front, whoever is the nominee.


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:52:54 PM EST

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Interesting diary - rec'd. One caution I would advise, however, is that these numbers will change drastically once there is a Dem nominee.  McCain has been getting higher in the polls because he hasn't had any attention on him for a couple of weeks now (and won't, barring a total meltdown, until at least June). Once there is a nominee, you will see really different numbers  - for example - if HRC is the nominee, Arkansas will definitely swing blue.  I think we might pick up Virginia regardless of who the nominee is, only because Mark Warner is running for Senate virtually unopposed, but I could be wrong.

The FL/MI debacle could hurt Obama if it doesn't get resolved or if it appears he gets the nomination without the help of those voters, but Hillary could get those states if she's the nominee. Obama may make a run in some states that traditionally have been red.

Obama


by cmugirl90 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:11:37 PM EST

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Great analysis.  Not to nitpick too much, but I wonder about New Mexico's status as solidly for McCain?  It's quite possible a Dem could win there this year.  As you point out, however, it doesn't really change the overall math.

I have a feeling PA would go blue this year, whether it's Obama or Clinton.  Virginia to me is the real wild card in that part of the country.

I refuse to hang my hopes on Ohio yet again.

So, the swing states are, as you point out:  New Mexico, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, and maybe Virginia.

Another way to look at it is this:  If the map looks exactly like 2004, the Democratic nominee wins if either Iowa or Colorado and either New Mexico or Nevada go blue.  Ohio and Florida are not technically necessary for victory.


by the mollusk on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:20:53 PM EST

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"Ohio and Florida are not technically necessary for victory."
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I think the operative word above is "technically".

Realistically, all presidential races go through Ohio and will once again go through Ohio..which Obama can not and will not win (the black vote in Cleveland cannot overwhelm the "purple" working class rural counties and those will turn red if Obama is the nominee) ... and we will lose the presidency once again :( :(


by loser on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:40:38 PM EST
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It is interesting that up until a few years ago, the maxim I always heard was "as Missouri goes, so goes the nation".  Now it is Ohio.  These old-timey rubrics are only true until they're not true anymore.

It could be that the Purple Ohio voter represents some generic type that is a sizable portion of the population in many states.  But if this is true, you'd think places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois would also be full of these voters.  And yet, while Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Michigan have voted Democratic in the past few elections, Ohio and Iowa have voted Republican.  With Wisconsin being the quintessential battleground state.


by the mollusk on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:07:58 PM EST
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