My Reasons To Fear Obama's Intentions On Health Care [UPDATE]

Its obvious that a lot of the people who support Barack Obama also support universal heathcare. People want CHANGE for a REASON.

Without REAL change, the next few years will see healthcare bankrupt many MORE millions of Americans and lack of access to basic health care will continue to kill and permanently injure tens, probably hundreds thousands of Americans EACH YEAR. Fewer and fewer Americans will be able to afford even basic medical care.

We always expect the Republicans to promote nonworking 'free market' solutions to health care and John McCain does not disappoint, as his 'proposals' are clearly prohibited by NAFTA and WTO agreements. So they are designed to fail, as they can't happen without renegotiation of those agreements.

But we would expect DEMOCRATIC candidate Barack Obama solution to address the problem comprehensively, and effectively, right?

WRONG...

To understand this debate, we need to understand the issues that were explored in 1993, which have not changed. In many ways, Obama's plan resembles very strongly the plan that was put forward by Obama's campaign's healthcare pointman, Jim Cooper - when he was a Democratic Congressman in 1993.

Lets travel back to 1993, when Bill Clinton was trying to get universal health care passed.

As a Congressman from Tennessee, Cooper played the part of a unique detrimental actor who worked aggressively to undermine the Clintons universal health care plan both before it was actually introduced, and after its introduction.

Doesn't that tell us something about Obama's intentions?

It pays to learn the chronology of the battle.

In June 1993, approximately three months by the plan Clinton ended up, Cooper met up with Clinton to examine "their differences concerning health care"

Those differences were over "universal coverage." the "employer mandate," and Cooper's apprehension that 'forces of the left' were determining Clinton's path - and that Clinton was not listening enough to businesses that wanted to shift more of their costs onto the consumer.

In other words, the concerns of the large corporate employers and the health insurance industry in particular.

Cooper was clearly against universal coverage. He was a very conservative Democrat who wanted to please a very corporate agenda.

He thought that the Clinton plan was, as a compromise between the liberal's vision of a single payer and conservative dream of the market competition only, was dangerously close to a path to universal coverage.

Then, on 6 Oktober 1993, two weeks after the Clinton plan was released, Jim Cooper again introduced his own plan, which was basically designed to destroy the Clinton plan by being a weak, 'alternative' to the Clinton plan that business could rally around.

It can honestly be said that Jim Cooper, more than anyone else, was singlehandedly responsible for destroying our chances to have universal health care in 1993.

The media latched on to Cooper's plan and so did the right, and many people are convinced now that the white house was forced to bend its position because of it.

Cooper's gambit effectively killed universal healthcare and led to the situation we are in now, after a decade and a half of multibillion dollar profits for the health insurance industry, and thousands  of bankrptcies for American families as health care costs, OFTEN FOR THOSE WHO
ARE TECHNICALLY 'INSURED' -  ballooned to become the largest
cause of financial ruin for Americans. With Washington AND THE DEMOCRATS TACIT APPROVAL. That policy shift also represented a betrayal of working Americans by the party that represented itself as trying to protect them.

This situation is not an ambiguous one. Jim Cooper was from the beginning, an enemy of reform.

In retrospect, its clear that he was NOT a constructive participant who strives for compromise.

A reformer would examine the assembled needs and interests and try to forge an agreement.

No, instead he did everything he could with his plan to undermine Clinton, and his plan was a straw man that played an important role in destroying its chances by giving industry
a way to influence the democratic legislative strategy by peeling off a number of key supporters who faced pressure from the corporate world.

Why is this SO relevant? Because now, Obama is using Cooper's plan as the blueprint for his own healthcare plan and he has brought Cooper into his team as his point man on health care.

For those of us who want real change in the healthcare arena, this is a terrifying omen. And it speaks badly for Obama's honestly because he is portraying himself as a reformer.

Obama is not a reformer, he is a divider and he has embraced a betrayer. It is said that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

But we do not need to go down that road, the Democratic party still has a chance to avoid becoming part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

Please consider this issue carefully when you cast your vote.

Update [2008-3-27 9:27:52 by architek]:

Just found some links to add:

Health Debate Is Filling Campaign Coffers

By RICHARD L. BERKE, Published: April 19, 1994

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B00EEDD1431F93AA25757C0A962958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Quote: (talking about Jim Cooper)

"In less than a year, the mild-mannered Democrat from the most rural House district in Tennessee has become the toast of health care providers and insurance companies, which have channeled tens of thousands of dollars of contributions to his campaign for a Senate seat."

Sound familiar? Healthcare is BIG money! Why do you think Obama is getting so much big money? Hint: Its not just his good looks!


Poll
Does this deception by the Obama camp on healthcare worry you?
Yes - I want some answers, now.
No - I don't care.

Votes: 11
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Is Jim Cooper running for President? (none / 0)

I haven't seen his name on any signs.

Sen. Obama has outlined his plan and you doubt it because one of his advisers you don't like.

Sen. Clinton has also outlined a plan. I doubt it because I don't trust her. That sounds callous, but to me she's shown she'll say or do anything to get elected, she's lied about her experience, and she's willing to take down the party to get what she wants. I just don't see how I can trust that that person will follow through on anything they've told me to get elected.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:29:41 PM EST

I find your argument uncompelling. (none / 0)

please explain to me why Cooper's actions in 1993 (15 years ago) tells us anything about Obama's INTENTIONS now?  Obama wasn't even in national politics 15 years ago.

Also, did Cooper's bill pass? You indicated it was a weaker version of Clinton's.  Presumably it contained something useful in it?  Did it pass at all?  If it didn't pass, can you explain how it killed Clinton's bill?  How was Clinton going to pass a stronger bill if Coopers couldn't pass?

I have to confess I find your diary to be full of judgements and preconceived notions that aren't adequately backed up.

You keep telling us what Cooper did 15 years ago, what does he want NOW?  Has he done anything recently to indicate he's still not interested in healthcare reform?


by DawnG on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:03:33 PM EST

Re: I find your argument uncompelling. (none / 0)

This stood out to me too:

I have to confess I find your diary to be full of judgements and preconceived notions that aren't adequately backed up.

Cooper and others in congress say that HRC locked them out of the process while she did her own thing in secret without building a coalition for her plan.

Now, fifteen years later, we are told that none of this was HRC's fault.  This sounds like saying Bush tricked her into voting for the war, that's not her fault.  And, it's Bush's fault she didn't deliver the jobs she promised to upstate NY.

I guess HRC and her supporters think she never makes mistakes.  It was just a few days ago she was saying her comment about Bosnia was her only mistake in twelve years.  (But, then it was shown she'd said the same thing at least three different times.  And, then the pilot said his landing was routine even though HRC was continuing to say it was an evasive "corkscrew" maneuver.  The bottom line is that HRC and her supporters should probably acknowledge HRC does make mistakes.)


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:56:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Reasons To Fear Obama's Intentions On Healt (2.00 / 1)

Obama is NOT FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, AND THAT IS A FACT.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:32:36 PM EST

Re: My Reasons To Fear Obama's Intentions On Healt (none / 0)

Neither is HRC and that is a fact.

Why do you think Michael Moore says HRC's plan is no better than BHO's?  Because neither gets rid of the insurance corporations ability to increase income because the government pays for the unprofitable citizens.

Mandates are a political ploy.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:40:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

obama's just phoning it in. (2.00 / 1)

when edwards and hillary came out with their health care plans, obama decided he needed one too, and got his policy people to slap together the all-things-to-all-people monstrosity we're now familiar with. no serious person could believe in universal coverage without mandates, but obama's believers don't need stuff like a workable plan. hope is good enough for them.

if elected, obama will go through the motions of proposing this mess, it'll just get shot down by the real health care experts, and he'll shrug and say he tried. he really, really doesn't care. if he did, he'd have come up with a real plan.


by campskunk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:51:09 PM EST

Thats the scenario I see happening too.. (2.00 / 1)

"But don't worry, we'll have another election in four years"

Obama's healthcare 'plan' is a sham... That much can be proven.

What else is a sham too?


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:23:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thats the scenario I see happening too.. (none / 0)

Your comment shows that you don't know about the plans.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:41:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Reasons To Fear Obama's Intentions On Healt (none / 0)

You heard it here first, folks.  Once again, Camp Hillary holds up John McCain as superior to Barack Obama.

Wish I was surprised by this junk.


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:07:01 AM EST

I don't understand.. (none / 0)

I did not say anything of that sort..

Can you read?


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:26:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't understand.. (none / 0)

We always expect the Republicans to promote nonworking 'free market' solutions to health care and John McCain does not disappoint, as his 'proposals' are clearly prohibited by NAFTA and WTO agreements. So they are designed to fail, as they can't happen without renegotiation of those agreements.

But we would expect DEMOCRATIC candidate Barack Obama to have a BETTER solution, right?

WRONG...

Or, to summarize: Obama's plan is not preferable to McCain's.

HOOKED ON PHONICS WORKED FOR ME!


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:22:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My point was, that as they currently stand... (none / 0)

neither will fly..

Would you really like to debate that point for point with me? Because I'd love to do it.

This is what experts say, and this is what I agree.

Do some research, you'll see what I mean. Its a intentionally dysfunctional proposal.

This has been one of the most recent economic topics of recent years.

Its not some theory of mine.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:12:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Heavily researched... (none / 0)

Is what I meant.

And both candidates proposals will violate NAFTA and WTO provisions prohibiting discrimination against bigger companies. Renegotiating them will take years.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:13:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My point was, that as they currently stand... (none / 0)

I can tell you that you don't want to have this debate with me.

Let's look at mandates:

Fact 1: The Massachusetts plan, with mandates, has still missed half of the uninsured citizens. The MA plan doesn't have especially strong minimum coverage and quality requirements, so some of the newly covered could have terrible plans. (Both BHO and HRC have strong minimums, which is good, but that means that the federal plan will be more expensive than the cheapest options in MA)  There are people in MA who pay the mandate penalty but still don't have insurance because the costs are too high (as BHO says, costs must be managed first.)  Many of the newly insured in MA were just put on federal programs for which they were always eligible regardless of mandates.  And, now the MA budget is busted so they need to figure out something.  Both BHO and HRC have subsidy plans, if you put their plans side by side it is impossible to identify which plan belongs to which candidate, they are extremely similar.  If you are a middle income (not poor enough for a subsidy) family the HRC plan could force a regressive 10% mandate penalty against you, even if you can't afford it--BHO is correct, the costs must be lowered first.

Fact 2:, The CA health insurance proposal with mandates just went down in flames with only 1 of 11 votes, so it didn't even get out of the committee.  This plan was supported by the big insurance companies because mandates are good for business.

Fact 3: Listen very carefully to Clinton; she knows how to parse her language. In the debates and on the stump she says mandates are her starting point "goal". She has left plenty of room to abandon them.

Fact 4: Mandates for car insurance don't work either.  States with car insurance mandates have uninsured rates as high as 20%.  

Fact 5: People who can afford health insurance don't need a mandate "gun to the head" to make them buy it.  Most people who can afford health care have good jobs, so they get the insurance as a benefit.  People who can afford insurance but don't get it from their jobs already have a gun to the head.  If they have money and they have a health care emergency, they will spend a ton of money, or they'll go bankrupt.  The problem is not that we need a mandate "gun to the head," the problem is that costs are too high.  Costs must be dealt with before implementing a regressive mandate penalty.

Fact 6:  Health care insurance companies directly (fees paid to insurance co.s by gov) and indirectly (gov takes unprofitable citizens) live off the government money in the heath care, and mandates make this problem worse.  Did you know that all the big insurance companies were in favor of the SCHIP expansion that Bush vetoed?  Do you know why?  I'm not against SCHIP and neither is BHO, but you need to know how the system works before you comment on it.  If you know the system you'll know that mandates (with the insurance companies still in power, as HRC recommends) don't help control costs, and costs are the problem.

Fact 7:  Our health care system is way too expensive, and mandates will make this worse.  Our health care costs are paid by the government and the private sector.  The level of our government spending alone (excluding the huge private sector paid part) is not much less than the level of total health care spending in some developed countries.  Our problem is the entrenched insurance companies who live off the government money.  Our problem is that politicians invent programs like mandates that sound good to the public at the same time they greatly increase income to the insurance companies.

Fact 8:  Until we get to a plan that confronts the powerful insurance companies, we need to avoid a regressive unfunded mandate that hurts middle income (but not poor enough for subsidies) families.  BHO has the best plan.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:35:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My point was, that as they currently stand... (none / 0)

And this stuff:

the creation of health insurance risk pooling mechanisms, reduction of pharmaceutical prices and electronic medical record-keeping, a proposal to expand coverage by requiring large employers to provide health insurance and a proposal to establish tax credits for small employers as an incentive to provide health insurance fall within WTO jurisdiction.

Applies to all three plans, and they can be worked out.  No need for alarm bells.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/79227 /


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:44:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Health Care (none / 0)

This is so heart-breaking and scary to me I donated another $50 to Hillary today.  God help us.


by cameoanne on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:17:55 PM EST


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