Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (and Camp Clinton) attack Obama

by Bob Johnson, Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:46:54 PM EST

Coincidence?

Yesterday, Hillary Clinton met with the very rightwing lunatic who spent millions of dollars trying to bring the Clintons down, including trying to connect Hillary to Vince Foster's death, Richard Mellon Scaife.

And today, the Clinton campaign (Phil Singer) leads off the day by circulating an article from loony rightwing rag and Scaife-funded, American Spectator that essentially calls Obama adviser, McPeak, an anti-semite and concludes that Obama "has a Jewish problem."

But the Scaife favors for Hillary didn't end there...

Judicial Watch, a Scaife-funded rightwing organization, claims that Obama "intended to leave no paper trail" from his time in the Illinois Senate.

Two attacks from Scaife-funded sources -- including one distributed by the Clinton campaign, itself -- the day after Hillary's meeting with her (apparently, former) rightwing nemesis?

Wonder what Hill and Scaife discussed yesterday, besides Obama's pastor?

Well, as we know from Bill's remarks earlier today, "If a politician doesn't wanna get beat up, he shouldn't run for office."

I have a simple question for superdelegates: Do you think using a virulent, rightwing hack like Scaife to attack a fellow Democrat is a legitimate part of the Clintons' "beating up" process?

Hell, I remember when the Clinton Camp used to use the term "vetting." Nice to see that they've moved on and are now being more honest in their comments (Tuzla, notwithstanding).

What else is coming from Scaife-funded organizations and what did Camp Clinton feed them?

Disgusting stuff from the Clintons. But almost as disgusting is the Democratic Party mucky-mucks allowing this sort of thing to go on.




Tags: Hillary Clinton, Richard Mellon Scaife, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama (all tags)

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Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 3)

This is disgusting.  I wonder how long Scaife will stay by Hillary's side once she is the nominee before turning his resources against her in order to get McCain elected?


by mefck on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:48:55 PM EST

I'd love to know the nature of the deal. (2.00 / 2)


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:50:19 PM EST
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Re: I'd love to know the nature of the deal. (2.00 / 4)

"The nature of the deal?"  Take off your tinfoil hat, bob.

Hillary met with a newspaper editorial board.  Big whoop.

A quote from your own link:

"Published by billionaire conservative activist Richard Mellon Scaife, the Tribune-Review is known for its opinion page, which tilts heavily to the right."

I saw Obama all over Fox new last week.  What's the nature of THAT deal?


by bellarose on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:04:44 PM EST
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deal? (2.00 / 2)

As someone who did major research during the old battles with Scafe and worked to show how he funded the VRWC, congrats on writing the craziest, most misleading diary ive ever seen here on this site.

Ironically its lying about Scaife, in order to hurt Hillary, the full reverse of how it was played in those "old days".

Amazingly deceitful stuff here "Bob".  

You'd make the old school Clinton haters proud.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:45:41 AM EST
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Compared to your diaries? (none / 0)

Now THAT'S funny!


by Bob Johnson on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:14:21 AM EST
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Re: Compared to your diaries? (none / 0)


I try to  show why obama cant win in november, but unlike you, I don't just make stuff up.

thoughts on 2 of your whoppers from just a quick glance a your silly diary

1. Scaife had a famous falling out with the mag's founder and spoken to him or hasnt funded the American Spectator for  years.  

2. wheres the hillary connect to judicial watch outside your  hillary  hating fantasy camp of a mind?


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:25:14 PM EST
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The dreaded disgusting Scaife (none / 0)

changed his mind over a year ago, according to the NYT:

But now, as Mrs. Clinton is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mr. Scaife's checkbook is staying in his pocket.

Christopher Ruddy, who once worked full-time for Mr. Scaife investigating the Clintons and now runs a conservative online publication he co-owns with Mr. Scaife, said, "Both of us have had a rethinking."

"Clinton wasn't such a bad president," Mr. Ruddy said. "In fact, he was a pretty good president in a lot of ways, and Dick feels that way today."

And:

Some of her former antagonists say that terrorism and war have made the political battles of her husband's administration -- gay men and lesbians in the military, the White House travel office, Monica Lewinsky -- seem remote, if not trivial.

"I think the country is burned out on it," said Cliff Jackson, a lawyer in Little Rock, Ark., who helped set in motion several scandals involving accusations of philandering by Mr. Clinton. Mr. Jackson said he had no plans to oppose Mrs. Clinton's candidacy, and in a personal blog he recently praised her husband's post-presidential efforts to fight AIDS in Africa.

The whole article is here: http://tinyurl.com/22v66p

That doesn't make it any less creepy, though.


by Swedie on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:54:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He traveled with a gun in every ha'and (none / 0)

You should write a diary about Bob Dylan sometime.  I'm a huge fan, but my opinion of him has turned decidedly sour lately.


by the mollusk on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:49:16 AM EST
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Re: He traveled with a gun in every ha'and (none / 0)

why?

because he likes bill and hillary too?

bob's the man.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:18:45 PM EST
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Re: He traveled with a gun in every ha'and (none / 0)

no, i've just come to the realization that he's 95% business and 5% artist.  that's fine, but it doesn't make him qualitatively different from other big-name stars such as Led Zeppelin or Pearl Jam or P-Diddy.    Just how it is in the music biz.


by the mollusk on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:39:56 PM EST
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Re: He traveled with a gun in every ha'and (none / 0)

my god no.

the guy nnow considers hmself a moddern touring minstrel.  

he plays like 300 dates a year.

when hes not doing that, he's a scholar aand prosletizer of american musical history. That work spreads from his xm "old timey music hour "show, to his tribute album to johnnie rodgrs to the new one he's putting together of never recorded hank williams songs.

plus his last 6 albums have all been superb {2  were all him singing old, sometimes ancient, traditional tunes}.  He has not declined, hes grown.  

I suggest you read "chronicles",his memoir about his early days and youll see this fellow is 95% fun madman,  5% rare and touched genius, 0% business.

then go to emule and start downloading those last 6 albums.

listen to them in order, theyll blow you away

Oh Mercy        
Good as I Been to You - trad
World Gone Wrong - trad   
Time Out of Mind    
"Love and Theft"        
Modern Times
.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:30:37 PM EST
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Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 5)

Where were you when Obama used Novak and drudge to attack Clinton based on baseless information

I hope you didn't run into a moving truck at that time.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:52:35 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 2)

How dare you make such a false statement. Never once did Obama go running to Novak and Drudge to drum up some right wing smear crap. You do yourself and your candidate a great disservice with such mendaciousness.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:05:31 PM EST
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he did not use (2.00 / 1)

them. Drudge and Novak did their own thing. Obama did not go and meet them


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:05:45 PM EST
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Oh its the meeting! (2.00 / 1)

you have to meet the bad guys in order to truly use them and push their message!  I so get it know.  Gee, you Obama people sure are smart.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:09:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

do you have any actual (2.00 / 2)

proof or just wild baseless allegation?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:12:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

he did (none / 0)

christ, Obama quoted Drudge on the kenyan garb bullshit.

get a clue.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:48:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

he did (none / 0)

christ, Obama quoted Drudge on the kenyan garb bullshit.

get a clue.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:48:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

listening (1.25 / 4)

to his own voice echo in a tiled bathroom, writing his next Hillary attack piece on some t.p.

or

putting his fingers in his years at just the right moments to so as not to hear any blasphamy about the lord almighty Obama who would never do anything as 'politics as usual'... na, na, na.... never, never, never....


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:07:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

as you are doing (none / 0)

right now when you hear of Scaife.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, you don't get it (2.00 / 1)

unlike your uncompromising admiration for Obama, I don't think Clinton is perfect. That is the singular most important difference between Obama and Clinton supporters, IMO.  The Clinton supporters are looking at political reality and the best candidate to win in a cynical world.  Obama supporters are looking for their savior or hero.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:17:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I love how (2.00 / 1)

you can speak for people you never met.

Tell you what. Go down to the nearest Obama office near you and talk to people who volunteer for him about their lives.

Not about Obama, about THEIR lives. Just to see what kind of people they are. See the real people.

Otherwise you are just making blanket, untrue statements.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:24:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh I have (1.50 / 2)

I used to be an Obama supporter until the group think of my fellows started to really get to me.  The funny thing about being in a group of Obama supporters, is that everyone is so kind and generous to one another, until the pack comes across someone from the other side- its disgusting.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:33:21 PM EST
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No way. (2.00 / 1)

I used to be an Obama supporter until the group think of my fellows started to really get to me.

Sure, that makes sense.  I voted for Nader in 1996 because those two cute girls asked me, twice.  And Bill Clinton's people all seemed so, you know, smug, not edgy enough.

They were all PCs, you know?  And I'm a Mac.  So I was all, like, no way! am I staying with you groupthinkers.  Now I blog all the time telling them how groupthinky they are, and it's awesome.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:38:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I can't stand macs (none / 0)


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:48:43 PM EST
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Re: Oh I have (2.00 / 0)

Nice try. You have never posted a positive thing on this site about Obama so your claim is dubious at best.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:43:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I haven't posted on this site ffor (none / 0)

more than a month. Nice try though.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:47:30 PM EST
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for one (2.00 / 0)

I do not personally believe you.

You spew so much baseless crap on Obama supporters it hard to believe you are not a troll.

But setting that aside. 13 million people voted for Obama. Are all of them like that?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have no idea if they are all like that (2.00 / 1)

You certainly don't convince me otherwise.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:45:16 PM EST
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it would be hard to convince (2.00 / 0)

you of anything.

I ask you for proof of something you claim and you tell me, PROVE that he did not.

Being reasonable is not your strong suit.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:58:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am only reasonable with those that intend (2.00 / 1)

to return the favor.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:01:03 PM EST
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lets try again then (2.00 / 0)

do you have proof Obama went to Drudge and Novak ask them to attack Hillary?

Please show it to us.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:04:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lets try again then (none / 0)

do you have proof Obama went to Drudge and Novak ask ed them to attack Hillary?

Please show it to us.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:04:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice call Kindthoughts (none / 0)

But since this poster is only reasonable to people who return the favor, there's no point being reasonable. The favor has never been offered


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:07:19 PM EST
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Re: No, you don't get it (none / 0)

It's not new for the HRC team.

They created and planted the madrassa lie for the wingnuts.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:33:31 PM EST
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Re: No, you don't get it (2.00 / 1)

Yes, where is the proof that Clinton leaked this information?


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:47:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, paragraph 2? (none / 0)

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

I added bold to make it easier for you.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:55:26 PM EST
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Re: Uh, paragraph 2? (none / 0)

So you trust Insight Magigize, an ultra-right-wing publication owned the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, on this matter?

That's the problem with Obama supporters -- you'll accept any story that casts Hillary in a bad light, no matter how dubious the source.

Meanwhile the GOP rat-fuckers are laughing their way to another term in the White House.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:04:32 PM EST
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Re: Uh, paragraph 2? (2.00 / 0)

Have you missed who HRC is hanging out with?

Or WJC from a while back?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545

The collusion has been swept aside; the Clintons are openly teaming up with the worst wingnuts out there.  Nobody can deny this.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:09:38 PM EST
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Re: Uh, paragraph 2? (none / 0)

Seems like a wise move on Bill's part. So they want to neutralize their opponents. Fortunately for Obama supporters, Rupert Murdoch (as well as most of the MSM) seems to prefer Obama.

Whatever.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Uh, paragraph 2? (1.00 / 0)

my god, this was show to be bs like 18 months ago.

it was the first media pushed and faked campaign flap.

do you people know nothing?


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So predictable. (none / 0)

Shoot the messenger, that's all you've got?  (How did I know that was coming next?)


by McNasty on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:38:49 PM EST
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Re: Uh, paragraph 2? (none / 0)

Oh, those damned "associates".  

Gawd, can't they come up with something just a hair more substantial than that?


by creeper1014 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:42:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Very inspiring (none / 0)

let's get cynical to win; sounds like Karl Rove.  


by crabby tom in md on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:31:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Let's Get Cynical" (none / 0)

Sounds like Olivia Newton-John to me.

Sorry.  It's late, that ad for "The Tudors" is becoming more disgusting every time it rolls by and the morphine is kicking in.

'Night, nurse.


by creeper1014 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:53:23 AM EST
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Re: listening (2.00 / 0)

Now Bob, why did you have to go and write about something the Clinton supporters don't want to hear about?  You know it only makes them retreat back into that Alice in Wonderland world of theirs where they hear no evil, see no evil or speak no evil about Hillary. Now you're going to get them all riled up and they'll start cutting and pasting like crazy.


by munodi on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:48:16 PM EST
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Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 1)

Link to your evidence, please, or retract your scurrilous accusation.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:09:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever (2.00 / 2)

you know exactly what she is talking about.  And what exactly is scurrilous about that comment, especially given that we both know it is completely true?


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:11:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

As long as you "know" it's true, (2.00 / 0)

you don't have to support it with facts?

Am I at littlegreenfootballs or MyDD?


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:14:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You mean Dailykos (2.00 / 2)

didn't you?


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:22:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, no. (2.00 / 0)

Reading Is Fundamental.  I was pointing out that MyDD is (was?) better than that.  

I don't think asking you to back up an assertion with some facts is out of line.  It should be expected.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:31:58 PM EST
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Re: Uh, no. (1.00 / 0)

This is ridiculous.  You know when Hillary met w/ the Scaife newspaper's ed board in Pittsburgh and gave an interview.  They shown tapes of it on CNN and MSNBC.  It's where that quote about Rev. Wright came out.  Either you've been in a cave for a couple of days or you're completely full of shit.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:32:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

do not answer (2.00 / 0)

the actual question.

Just switch the conversation to something else.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:32:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yes, yes (2.00 / 0)

lets just all pack up and go home.

Cause you know there is no need back anythign up with silly facts and evidence!!! cause lic says so.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:16:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

kidthoughts has (2.00 / 1)

a really good handle on the situation and thinks we should never accept commonly accepted knowledge (especially never, ever, ever in the comment section of a blog), but we should rather be pedantic in order to distract from the actual debate.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:26:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what commonly (2.00 / 0)

accepted knowledge???

Where is your evidence?

come on, bring it!!!


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:33:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: kidthoughts has (none / 0)

Rambling is as rambling does.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:37:17 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (none / 0)

In fact, I know that what she is talking about did not happen.  Obama NEVER coordinated with Novak or drudge on anything.  He certainly never gave interviews to them.

Like I said - link, or retract your scurrilous accusation.  Now, I know that you Hillary supporters don't give two shits for things like 'facts' or 'accuracy,' but most everyone else does.  The internet makes it easy to link to your evidence.  I suggest that you do so.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:18:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Where are your facts? (none / 0)

To prove that he didn't use a drudge meme against Hillary?

If its not the candidate himself that does his campaign in, it will be his self-righteous 'base' supporters.  And I mean base in the kindest, possible way.


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:22:11 PM EST
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Re: Where are your facts? (none / 0)

Lori and then YOU are the ones who made the allegation, the burden of proof falls upon YOU to support YOUR argument.  

Apparently you're confused as to how this works.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:24:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you want me to prove that (2.00 / 1)

something DID not happen?
How asinine is that?

Tell ya what?
I am gonna say you at some point stole retirements from 100 senior citizens.
Now prove it did not happen!!!


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:28:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where are your facts? (none / 0)

You can't prove a negative.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:47:44 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (none / 0)

"Obama NEVER coordinated with Novak or drudge on anything"

How is it that Drudge leaked Obama's famous race speech prior to Obama actually giving the speech?


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:48:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

Drudge leaks anything he can.  And I belive that it is common practice for speech copy to be pre-released.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

But who leaked to Drudge?  The Clinton campaign?


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:55:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

Who leaked what?  And what benifit is it to Obama to leak his own speech?


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:00:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

No, what I am getting at is who in the Obama campaign has a connection to Drudge?


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:01:09 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (1.00 / 0)

I'd like to know who in the Hillary campaign has a connection to Drudge?  

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/22/a merica/drudge.1-156891.php

Goose, gander, pot, kettle, etc.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:04:41 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (2.00 / 0)

Are you Fing serious? You have no shame, you really don't. Do you think people on this site are idiots? Have you no shame?

An International Herald Tribune story of October 22, 2007, covers the irony of the Clinton campaign feeding stories to the Drudge Report as part of its strategy. (It was a repost from the New York Times, which owns the IHT.)

And the Clinton campaign wasn't hiding their new found interest in using Drudge to get attention for stories. They had [and may still have] a designated "liaison" according to the International Herald Tribune:

Clinton's communications team, led by Howard Wolfson, is not leaving Drudge to the Republicans. Five current and former Democratic officials said Clinton has on her side the closest thing her party has ever had to Rhoades [a GOP leaker to Drudge] in Tracy Sefl, a former Democratic National Committee official. The officials said that Sefl had established a friendly relationship with Drudge and that Clinton's campaign often worked quietly through her to open a line of communication with Drudge.

Though liberals say Drudge's ideological imbalance remains plain, Republicans, who viewed the site as theirs in campaigns past, say they are noticing what they believe to be more Democratic driven, often Clinton driven, items on it.

And, as New York magazine reported recently, it has escaped no one that Drudge has sometimes mentioned Clinton favorably on his syndicated radio program, even if no one really knows whether his comments reflect admiration for her or simply a recognition that keeping her in the news is good for his business.

The International Herald Tribune story begins with a telling anecdote:

As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing-red siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, "Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge," and, "$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report."

Within minutes, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's fund-raising success was injected via Drudge into the day's political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Obama's speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign - the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side - it was a telling assault.

Clinton's aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters. But it was a prime example of a development that has surprised much of the political world: Clinton is learning to play nice with the Drudge Report and the powerful, elusive and conservative-leaning man behind it.

So, today's non-denials from the Clinton camp notwithstanding, it is clear that the campaign has cozied up to Drudge -- even if he trashes the senator from time to time -- in an effort to make use of his vast audience, and to use them to their advantage to the extent that they can.

That's not coming from BuzzFlash; that's directly from the International Herald Tribune, in an article reposted from the New York Times.

The author is the respected NYT journalist Jim Rutenberg.


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:07:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

Geesh you are the most excitable person I have ever seen on the internet.  I was asking about how Drudge got the copy of Obama's speech.  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:10:50 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (2.00 / 0)

Well, your complete intellectual dishonesty on this site and your repeated desire to treat everyone on here like idiots definitely makes on angry on occassion.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:16:36 PM EST
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Re: Whatever (none / 0)

bob,
only a complete idiot would ever believe that  drudge WAS EVER pro hillary.

that was one of the great obamaite fantasies of last summer.

quite deluded.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:58:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

who said "pro-hillary?" The man's a business man he'll post anything that will bring people to his website.  It's all about the green.

No, I don't think his "pro-Hillary" but I don't think he minds her putting out nasty shit on his website to attack Obama either.

I don't expect more from Drudge.  It's the person whose doing it I ezpect more from.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:38:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

eh...noo...

the man is a anti abortion zealot...a global warming denier, a right winger from the get go.  i take it you never saw his fox tv show.

he 'broke" the moninca story by god.

i suggest you do some research.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:15:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

I'm not ignorant.  I know well the history of the Drudge Report.  What i am telling you is that Drudge cares  more about money than ideology.  He knows that if he uses the trash that Clinton wants to throw against Obama more people will visit his site and he will make more money.

I don't even understand why you're questioning this.  It's a fact.  Clinton has used Drudge.  Don't believe me, then check out the International Herald Tribune article upthread.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:55:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (none / 0)

The speech was given in advance to ALL media outlets who requested it, as is usual for most speeches given by politicians, with the request to embargo it until the speech is given out loud.

That has nothing at all to do with Hillary's coordination with right-wing scum like Drudge and Mellon-Scaife in order to PUSH stories.  It's sad to see her ally with those who spent an entire decade trashing her, and especially her daughter Chelsea.  And It's surprising that supporters of the Clintons such as yourself aren't angrier about it.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:28:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever (2.00 / 0)

NO, you were asking "Who in the Obama campaign has a connection to Drudge?"; all the while ignorant of Hillary's history with Drudge in this campaign.
But your original question is just plain ridiculous.  Please explain how the all-too-common practice of releasing a speech transcript in advance of a speech constitutes supsicious activity.

by haystax calhoun on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:24:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 0)

God!  The Clinton supporters here have abandoned any defense of their candidate.  All they can do is point fingers and say "he did it too!"

Well, Novak not Scaife.  There's no comparison.


by Drummond on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:25:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its more like we don't care (2.00 / 1)

about the Hillary haters who will jump on anything to disparage HRC.  Could you people be more self-righteous?


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:27:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its more like we don't care (2.00 / 0)

I'm not dumping on her anymore really.  She's done for.  Whatever small chances she had ended yesterday.  You and she are still in denial.

All she can do now is help McCain.  Maybe that's the idea.


by Drummond on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:32:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

See what I mean? (2.00 / 1)

self-righteous, arrogant, assuming.  


by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:35:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Too true. (2.00 / 1)

The righteous tone of some guy's comment on the internet has convinced me: Obama cannot win.  Math be damned!


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:40:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: See what I mean? (none / 0)

Gee.  Good argument.


by Drummond on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:56:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Drudge is certainly crushin' on Obama these days.  What's that all about?


by bellarose on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:07:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 5)

Oh, that whole Scaife-Clinton-Vice Foster thing was just a big misunderstanding!

What he meant to say when he was funding a decade's worth of slanderous anti-Clinton attacks was that he likes and respects Hillary and thinks she'll make a fine president.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:53:06 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 1)

He was very, very tired for the entire decade.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:16:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 1)

She meets with Rupert Murdock, Bill goes on Limbaugh's show and now this.....it's like the apocalypse is coming.


by mefck on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:56:00 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Well that's good news for some of McCain's reluctant supporters.  They thought they needed to start a war with Iran before the big day would come.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:40:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Murdoch, Limbaugh, Scaife, oh my! (none / 0)

Has the Clinton campaign warmed up to Bob Novak, yet? That's the only name that seems to be missing.


by baudelairien on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:29:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A proper response to Scaife (2.00 / 4)

What is this?  Bizzaro World?  Dosen't anyone remember the '90s?  If I was a Clinton in a room with Scaife, I'd kick him square in the nuts.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:56:41 PM EST

Re: Bob's Obsession Blinds Him To Everything (2.00 / 1)

Last November Bill Clinton met with Richard Mellon Scaife--yes, the same conservative who relentlessly attacked Bill Clinton for years--and donated a lot of money to the Clinton's AID foundation work.

Where you been, Bob? So busy drinking the Obama Cool-Aid, you missed it? You need help, Bob; this obsessive hatred of Hillary and Bill Clinton is not healthy.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:59:19 PM EST

Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 2)

The day after Hilary meets with Scaife, two Scaife-funded organizations go after Obama, and the Clinton camp even circulates a piece from one of Scaife's rightwing rags.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:05:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Bob, what do you think about the fact the Rupert Murdoch seems to be taking his cues from The Daily Kos and publishing Hillary hit pieces, including the utterly b.s. story that Kos was pushing about the "darkening" of Obama's image in her Ohio attack ad, not only in the New York Post, but as far away as newspapers in Australia? Does that bother you at all?

I thought the Obama line was that one should be willing to sit down with one's enemies. She's campaigning in Pennsylvania and Scaife owns several newspapers there. You think that she shouldn't try to seek an endorsement from his newspapers, including the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review? Why shouldn't she?


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:33:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 0)

It's one thing to sit down with the opposition, which I fully support. It's quite another thing to, after a full week of SILENCE, come out and bring up the Wright controversy to a radical right wing publication that previously accused Clinton of killing Vince Foster. If you don't see the difference, there is no hope for you.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:45:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

In case you didn't notice, Clinton did not bring up the Wright controversy. And given the amount of credit Clinton has been given in the blogoshere for not bringing up Wright sooner (as in less than none, see, e.g., the Ehrenreich article below), I can hardly blame her for directly answering the question she was given.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-eh renreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_9236 1.html

No there is no "hope" for me. That's why I'll never make it as an Obama supporter.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:55:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 0)

She successfully and purposefully deflected questions from the press for over a week about the Wright issue. Do you seriously, SERIOUSLY, think it was coincidence that the first time she decided to answer a question on the issue was when she was giving an interview to the newspaper that repeatedly accused her of killing Vince Foster? Seriously?
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:09:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 1)

When you start likening your opponent's spouse to McCarthy and your opponent's experience to Mamie Eisenhower's, you're pretty much asking for a slap down.  

They got one.


by bellarose on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:16:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Wasn't WJC the guy who said today that if you don't want to be beaten up, don't get into politics?

Moreover, who called a respected and only Latino governor a Judas?  You don't think that was meant to poison the waters?  Even other superdelegates (undeclared ones) are coming out and saying What the Fuck?

If she's not going to quit at least she can stop being so vindictive and mean.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:50:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

She successfully and purposefully deflected questions from the press for over a week about the Wright issue. Do you seriously, SERIOUSLY, think it was coincidence that the first time she decided to answer a question on the issue was when she was giving an interview to the newspaper that repeatedly accused her of killing Vince Foster? Seriously?
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:09:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 1)

Saying something twice does it make it more believable.  Simmer down on that post button will ya?  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:12:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Oh, you snarky little person. I accidentally hit the button twice. Sorry to your sensibilities.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:17:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 2)

No need to apologize.  I am starting to get concerned about your health though.  Do you have high blood pressure?  You seem sort of hostile.


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:20:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

if anyone seems hostile (none / 0)

it's Hillary Clinton.

Don't you see it?  I do.  I also see hostility in you.


by toom on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:02:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Hannity and his Fox friends are not helping BHO.

Wallace may be looking for work soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vzwJXsz ww&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatl antic.com/

I don't know about Bob, but I'd say her team shouldn't invent and plant lies with the wingnuts.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:47:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Repeatedly posting the same link does not make your point.  You should cut and paste some new material for a change.  <yawn>


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:13:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (2.00 / 0)

I'll not deny there is a circular dimension to a lot of the BHO-HRC chit chat.  It's like a dog chasing it's tail.  One side rolls out their stuff, then the other side rolls out the responses, then we do the whole thing over and over and over and.....

Occasionally we get new fodder, but it's mostly trite when compared to the questions of character and ability that make a good president.

I can do the discussion on the merits (which strongly favor BHO), but this other stuff seems to be more popular, so I participate.

As much as myDD folks may not like it, the dKos conversation is, on average, much more serious than it is here.  I often learn things over there.  Some of the hardcore HRC supporters see victory in a no holds barred fight.  This can only work for HRC if the BHO supporters don't respond.  But, that's not going to happen.  So, it is what it is.  And, it's just starting; this will be much worse before it's over.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Jennifer are you going to give the same advice to Alegre? Because she is the queen of cut and paste.


by munodi on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:45:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill met with Scaife. So what? (none / 0)

Plus she's worse than me because when people thank her for her work, she takes credit!  It's astonishing.

Like leader, like supporter.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bob's Obsession Blinds Him To Everything (none / 0)

Just because you donate money to good causes dosen't atone for his past sins.  Plenary Indulgence is so two millienia ago.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:06:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bob's Obsession Blinds Him To Everything (none / 0)

Let's not forget his time on Rush Limbaugh's show before the Texas primary.  A pattern?


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:11:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 2)

The Clinton camp needs a reliable pipeline to pump in its collected baseless smears and attacks on Obama. They have one now. I'm sure the Clintons are holding all sorts of stuff that they've fact-checked and found to be false. They can't push it themselves, but they can try to get an unscrupulous liar like Scaife to push it so that they can get it out without getting dirty hands.


by Addison on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:59:27 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

blah blah blah why do we do this?  Each of our candidates support has hardened to stone.  No one is jumping camps at this point no matter what happens.  The way we talk around here, you'd think that minds were actually going to be changed...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:10:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Here is an example of what your saying:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:50:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Good grief.  You need meds I think.  I have seen you post that link to the same story at least 5 times in the last 5 minutes.  CREEPY


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:14:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Anyone (including me) who looks at myDD more than two times a day should be on meds.  But, I'm drug free.  Nancy told me to just say no, and I've gone overboard in following her warning.  


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:38:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Clinton is setting up to win PA by 20! . . . Latest polls

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conen t/politics/election_20082/2008_presideti al_election/daily_preidential_tracking


by poserM on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:00:17 PM EST

Um, latest Rasmussen poll... (2.00 / 2)

... has her up 10.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

do not tell (2.00 / 1)

them...we want it to be a surprize


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:10:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um, latest Rasmussen poll... (2.00 / 0)

lol guys this is a link to YESTERDAY's poll of PA C-49, O-39

which is a GOOD thing for Obama since she use to be up 15-20 points,

the fact that you don't point out anything about the poll or what its polling its very telling.

lol


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:15:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um, latest Rasmussen poll... (2.00 / 0)

whoops I was looking at the wrong link. nevermind me

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/03/26/820834.aspx


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:16:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Link broken


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bad link, (none / 0)

and offtopic.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (2.00 / 0)

Even the Haaretz analysis of the McPeak comment from 2003 is more favorable than what I read on American blogs.

Doesn't matter anyway, that is not gonna make the news cycle.

Hillary fibbing about Chelsea on 9-11 will once the archive video is put on YouTube.

There is something about a Clinton misremembering that captivates the pundits, especially when it involves 9-11.

Personally, I am still waiting to see which candidate will come out against signing statements.

Anyone?


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:02:16 PM EST

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

McCain's your man.

Although, suspect your question was rhetorical.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:55:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

Actually my man is Brian Moore.

There are few socialist unicorns not yet driven into the sea.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:49:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

So you were serious.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022401995. html


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:08:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

Quite serious.

Signing statements from the executive branch is one of the greatest threats to our form of democracy.

A signing statement is a legislative action, when the president is suppose to only execute the law, which is why he is called the executive.

A majority of  the illegal actions of Bush were sanctified by use of signing statements.

And I find it incredibly odd that McCain has issued an strong statement against them, while Obama and Hillary are waffling on them.

I am a one issue voter: The Constitution.

It is our social contract after all.

Just wish they'd quite sniping each other and get back to policy so we can sort this all out.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:23:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

I'm no fan of the signing statements.

I totally misread your first post.  I thought you were intentionally setting a trap for some BHO or HRC supporter to fall into.

E.g. someone responds to your first post by attacking the Bush signing statements, and then you swoop in and say "Ha! only McCain is against signing statements."

I have an active imagination.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:22:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, I agree with Bill, it's politics. (none / 0)

Ha, well, I am known for my logic traps.

But I really like Jerome's writings and book, and promise to play well with others here.

I can't stress enough signing statements are legislation from the executive branch.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:06:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Scaife runs a newspaper (none / 0)

Newspapers meet with candidates.  Off the top of my head, I remember when George Allen of VA met with the Post board.  Did that make him a liberal?  What newspaper owners and boards has Obama met with?

Uh, the Israel story merely says that Gen. McPeak in an interview claimed we don't have a good Middle East policy because Jews in Miami and NYC control American politics. Major gaffe. That's what you get with inexperienced candidates like Obama -- they don't vett their advisers and don't know their histories because they cobble together a team in a short time.

Here's what the Jerusalem Post says:  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c id=1206446106127&pagename=JPost%2FJP Article%2FShowFull

The freshest controversy, however, may be tougher to douse. [comment: LOL] The American Spectator, a conservative magazine, uncovered a 2003 interview with U.S. Army Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, currently a co-chairman of the Obama campaign and -- like Obama -- an early and consistent critic of the Iraq war.

In the interview with The Oregonian, McPeak faulted the Bush administration's Iraq policy in part for not being part of a broader Middle East strategy. Asked who is at fault - the White House or the State Department - he answered: "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote - vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."

The reporters pressed McPeak to assign responsibility to a faction within the Bush administration, but he insisted on returning to Israel and its US supporters.

"I think that everybody understands that a settlement of the Arab-Israeli problem would require the Israelis to stop settling the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and maybe even withdraw some of the settlements that've already been put there," he said.

"And nobody wants to take on that problem. It's just too tough politically. So that means we can't... you can't develop a Middle East strategy. It's impossible."

I hardly see a conspiracy between Scaife and the Clintons, but if you do, go ahead.

I trust you are reacting this way because Obama's careful tightrope of being chummy with pro-Palestinian groups and individuals, like Farrakhan, Wright, Edward Said, etc., and saying he is a staunch supporter of Israel is getting shaky.

In fact, if you want to talk about truthiness, I suggest you examine your candidate's Janus-like position on Israel.


by katmandu1 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:02 PM EST

You obviously don't understand who (2.00 / 3)

Scaife is and has been to the Right-Wing attack machine against the Democratic Party.  Either that or you're purposefully lying when you try to compare him to the Washington Post.  Is that snark or are you an idiot?


by bigdcdem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:07:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary supporters will stick their heads (2.00 / 1)

in the sand and pretend like this doesn't exist.  Hillary "DLC" Clinton.  How soon we forget.


by bigdcdem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:41 PM EST

I hope she spit on him (none / 0)

before she said a word.  Politics makes such strange bedfellows.  This is an odd development - I'll wait and see what this is really all about...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:04:41 PM EST

Re: I hope she spit on him (2.00 / 1)

Nope, in fact when he asked her a question about Katrina/New Orleans she actually smiled and amiably referred to him as "Dick," and not in the derogatory sense.


by Addison on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:07:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well even if she didn't, (2.00 / 1)

I threw up a little in my mouth when Senator Clinton said that.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I hope she spit on him (none / 0)

LOL!  I bet I know why she smiled, because she did mean it that way.  Holding her enemies closer, clearly!


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:24:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 2)

what we think doesn't matter its the superdelegates

and when even Clinton SD's are willing to be named when they say she needs to stop being negative because she is hurting the party's likely nominee

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/03/26/820834.aspx

yeah you know she has problems


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:11:03 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Nice, that's worth a whole diary to itself.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:22:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow! (2.00 / 2)

That's the story team Clinton does not want to hear: superdelegates turning against her and her tactics.  I look forward to it making the rounds tomorrow.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:25:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (none / 0)

Why dont HRC supporters every address the diary? There is an honest question posed here - and I dont understand why people dont think it is odd when HRC meets with Scaife.

WWWD
What Would Wolfson Do.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:11:58 PM EST

or better yet (none / 0)

WWRS - Would Would Republicans Say....


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:18:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey, I did (none / 0)

I would further point out that McPeak's off the cuff utterance is similar to one made by the other foreign policy adviser, Samantha Power.

Just because someone is a general does not make them an expert in anything beyond killing people.

Was McPeak aware that that support for Israel is widespread across America?  That it cuts across all religious and ethnic groups?  

If Obama is elected, and I suspect he will be, be prepared for a bumpy ride.


by katmandu1 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:28:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (none / 0)

Hillary's supporters won't address the diary because they hear no evil, see no evil, or speak no evil, about thir candidate. SHHH don't wake them from Hillary in wonderland.


by munodi on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:07:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (none / 0)

As someone who did major research during the old battles with Scafe and worked to show how he funded the VRWC, congrats on writing the craziest, most misleading diary ive ever seen here on this site.

Ironically its lying about Scaife, in order to hurt Hillary, the full reverse of how it was played in those "old days".

Amazingly deceitful stuff here "Bob".  

You'd make the old school Clinton haters proud.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:04:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (none / 0)

As someone who did major research during the old battles with Scafe and worked to show how he funded the VRWC, congrats on writing the craziest, most misleading diary ive ever seen here on this site.

Ironically its lying about Scaife, in order to hurt Hillary, the full reverse of how it was played in those "old days".

Amazingly deceitful stuff here "Bob".  

You'd make the old school Clinton haters proud.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:04:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (none / 0)

every = ever


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; (2.00 / 1)

because the truth is bad, so they won't address it.

listen if it becomes big enough they will all ignore it untill Hillary's FactHub spins it, then someone like alegre will basically reproduce the FactHub they will all praise it and rec it.

while ignore all our posts about the problems with the FactHub.

infact I think there is 1 up now that shows this exact thing. its how MyDD defends Clinton. Ignore and repeat her spin, then ignore and repeat some more.

but never EVER actually address the point of a anti-dairy or post.

ever.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:18:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The "Illinois Project" (none / 0)

Scaife undoubtedly has minions and money out there hunting for anything he can tie to Obama.  I wonder who gets to play David Brock for this one?


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:19:59 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets (none / 0)

Yep.  Words.  Words matter.  And Obama and McPeak have been saying some bad words.


by LindaSFNM on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:27:46 PM EST

It's not the first time (2.00 / 1)

The HRC team INVENTED and planted the madrassa lie with the wingnuts in the first place.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:27:52 PM EST

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

Do I hear an echo?  Maybe if you keep saying that same stupid lie over and over your head will explode from boredom.


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:49:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

Are you serious? Do you bother to read anything that people post or do you just froth at the mouth spontaneously without informing yourself. According to the very article posted, "associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam."
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:54:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

This has since been disputed.  How tiresome.  This article was from January.  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:58:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

How dare you treat people on this site like we're idiots. OF COURSE IT WAS DISPUTED! What else do you expect? Do you somehow claim it was debunked? If so, like a normal rational person, you POST THE EVIDENCE.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:11:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

Who is treating anyone like an idiot?  And why are you getting so upset?  You seem very agitated.  Maybe you need to go lie down for a while.  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:19:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

Why doesn't someone start a one hour boycott of all Democratic political blogs?  Why pick on dKos?  You need to be delusional to think myDD is the epitome of balance and wisdom.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:45:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (none / 0)

When you post crap like this "This has since been disputed.  How tiresome.  This article was from January." you are treasting us like idiots.


"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:11:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not the first time (2.00 / 0)

Look, let's just accept that some "low information" voters are blissfully so.  You'll tie yourselves in knots trying to appeal to reason here.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 4)

hey what we think doesn't matter

I don't wanna make a new diary but i think this should be pointed

Superdelegates, even her own Super delegates think clinton is being to negative and its hurting her

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/03/26/820834.aspx


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:30:34 PM EST

Bob Johnson worries about... (none / 0)

... Hillary meeting with Scaife?

That is so inconsequential it is laughable.

Far more serious is Obama's 20 year relationship with Reverend Wright. It is clear the Reverend hates America. It is clear that Barack Obama didn't disassociate himself from the Reverend until Obama knew he would be under scrutiny as a presidential candidate.

I have my own question for the superdelegates. Does the Democratic party want as it's nominee a person who maintained a close, 20 year relationship with the America-hating Reverend Wright?
 


by sinjin777 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:53:13 PM EST

Re: Bob Johnson worries about... (2.00 / 1)

Wright loves his country enough that he will speak out about it.

now which person would you say loves his country?

the one who speaks out against the wrongs he sees

or

the one who twists and smears the one speaking out?

try listening to the full sermon before you reply me, or just don't waste your time replying. its obvious you don't know ANY of the contexts of the speech


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So Reverend Wright loves ... (none / 0)

... his country. That is why he said:

"No, no, no, not God bless America -- God damn America!"

Obama apologists cannot coverup the Reverend's clear meaning no matter how hard they try.


by sinjin777 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:08:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Reverend Wright loves ... (none / 0)

Sorry, but patriotism/nationalism is no worse than fundamentalist religionism. I, too, say God Damn America!!!


by zep93 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:32:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Inconsequential? (2.00 / 0)

Were you actually of voting age in the 1990s?  I cannot fathom how you can say that.  Falwell's show is still selling the "Vince Foster diaries" and related videotapes of such nonsense.  (Did you know Hillary personally strangled to death an Arkansas State trooper and had Chelsea help bury the body?)

You're not really a Clinton supporter if this meeting with Scaife doesn't bother you at all.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:01:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am concerned about more... (none / 0)

... recent attacks on Hillary Clinton than I am about what happened in the 1990s. However I think a lot of Obama supporters have taken the right's talking points to heart since the Obama supporters use them all of the time.


by sinjin777 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll take that as a "no." (none / 0)

It's worthwhile to refresh yourself on the details of Whitewater / Troopergate / Lewinsky, because it was only ten years ago and has strong bearing on the politics of today, unfortunately.

For example, you'd learn where the phrase "right-wing talking points" entered the vernacular.  And why so many of us are beyond appalled that she would meet with Mr. Scaife.


by McNasty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The fact that seems to have... (none / 0)

... escaped your notice, given the littany of supposed scandals that you provided, is that Hillary is the candidate, not Bill. I urge you to take note of which Clinton is running this year. It is important.


by sinjin777 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:46:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You kids today. (none / 0)

The "Arkansas Project" dug up dirt on the Clintons, not just Bill.  Hillary was as much of a target as he was.  If you don't know recent history like this, it's hard for you to have a useful perspective.

So you're arguing that she was unaffected by Scaife's attacks in the 90s?  It was all about Bill, and she just happened to be there, so why shouldn't she have a heart-to-heart with the guy who still sells videotapes after the 700 Club alleging that she ran the Governor's mansion like the Hefner's palace and personally killed a State trooper?

Senator Clinton seems instead to lean on those years as her essential experience, implying that she was nearly a Vice President in terms of her role.  I don't disagree with that, and I was glad to see her be more than a figurehead.  But you can't have it both ways.


by McNasty on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:47:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Changing the subject (2.00 / 1)

To be expected, I guess.

Imagine the uproar here if the Obama campaign used a Scaife rag to attack Clinton.

Scaife is the lowest form of human life who made a career out of attacking the Clintons and other Democrats. And now Hill and Bill are climbing into bed with him.

Lovely.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:51:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Changing the Subject? (none / 0)

More like putting this little diary in perspective.


by sinjin777 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Changing the subject (none / 0)

0n oct 30th, at the nbc debate at drexel, obama joined Judicial Watch and demanded that the Clintons early relese all the  white house documents.

thats the day and moment obama lost me forever.

btw, this whole diary is serously nuts.

all of it.

if you think hillay has forgiven scaife, or ever will, you are nuttier than this diary.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:17:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Changing the subject (none / 0)

0n oct 30th, at the nbc debate at drexel, obama joined Judicial Watch and demanded that the Clintons early relese all the  white house documents.

thats the day and moment obama lost me forever.

btw, this whole diary is serously nuts.

all of it.

if you think hillay has forgiven scaife, or ever will, you are nuttier than this diary.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:18:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bob Johnson worries about... (none / 0)

"It is clear the Reverend hates America."

It's clear to Pat Robertson and Brit Hume.

To me, who's bothered to go listen to entire sermons to get some context, not so much.


by Rorgg on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:47:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (2.00 / 0)

When you lie down with dogs, you will get fleas.

Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh?

Hillary Clinton meets with Richard Mellon Scaife?

What's next? Chelsea has tea with Ken Starr?

What is going on here??


www.payd.org Keeping PA Blue
by dannybauder on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:58:48 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

what about bringing people together?


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:10:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Nice try, wanna-be sophist. Sitting down with the paper is not the issue. Sitting down with a right wing paper that accused you of killing Vince Foster and magically deciding at that moment to answer a question about Wright in such a degrading way after a week-long silence to any question directed about Wright before then is abhorrent.
Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:14:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NIce Try BJ (none / 0)

Isn't Obama supposed to bring people together? That means that he should meet with Scaife too!


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:10:13 PM EST

Another day. . . (none / 0)

. . .another faux outrage for Obama supporters to get all hot and bothered about, and another hit diary by the tireless Bob Johnson makes the rec. list thanks to the votes of the usual suspects.

Whatever. . .pass the chips. . . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:23:55 PM EST

Heh. (2.00 / 1)

Imagine the diaries here had Obama used Scaife rags to attack Clinton.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:32:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right. . . (none / 0)

. . .and then you and all the other Obama and supporters would say, "How sad and desperate the Clinton supporters are. How negative, unhopeful, old-style politics, and non-unity creating. Why can't we all get along and say something positive. Tsk tsk." But if you do it, it's OK. Also, I don't recommend diaries like this, whether they are aimed at Obama or Clinton, so don't blame me. Furthermore, I was always taught that two wrongs don't make a right, maybe you were taught differently.

In any event, nothing to see here. . .business as usual. . . Bob Johnson has found his 30th reason to be "outraged" about Hillary Clinton in 30 days. . . pass the chips. . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:39:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, I wouldn't. (2.00 / 1)

An Obama diarist cited an anti-Clinton piece from Dick Morris today. It was garbage and I said so.

Scaife is a scumbag who has made a career out of funding attacks on Democrats, including the Clintons.

There is absolutely no reason to crawl into bed with one of the scummiest players on the planet.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:57:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever (none / 0)

Right, you are the model of evenhandedness. How could I be so blind as to miss it?

The only thing is, I said nothing about anti-Clinton pieces written by Dick Morris. What I said was that the campaign you purport to represent claims to stand for a "new kind of politics," that moves beyond character assassination and personal attack. You claimed that Hillary diarists are no better than you are, and would have written the same sleazy diary as you did, if the shoe was on the other foot. I agree, they aren't and they would have.

Congratulations, you have now admitted that either you don't stand for the "new kind of politics" that the candidate you claim to represent does, or that that he himself doesn't really stand for it.Same goes for the Obama supporters that routinely rec. your "old style of politics" diaries.

As for the alleged substance of your diary, I don't give a fig. You are beyond being the boy who cried "wolf." If there is a new "outrage" every day, it doesn't take long for outrage fatigue to set in. The fact that you have diaried a particular Hillary "outrage," in my mind, means that, by definition, there is no there there.

As I said, another day, another "outrage" . . .pass  the chips. . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:38:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Beneath the sophistry... (none / 0)

...and sneering pseudo reason, this poster seems to expend a lot of effort in planting one mean thing in the hearts of all democrats.

Your candidate is as slimy as mine.

It's patently untrue, and even Hillary's own supporters secretly know it. But it's their last chance argument - to drag Obama into the mudpit.

It hasn't worked. And now the mud is setting, hard, around the mud throwers.


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:28:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Beneath the sophistry... (none / 0)

. . . we find the faux outrage. Hillary is a slimy mud throwing POS, and we'll prove it by sliming her and throwing mud at her!

. . . pass the chips. . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:41:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks for proving my point (none / 0)


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:42:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No comment on the facts. (none / 0)

Just on me.

Got it.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:41:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No comment on the. . . (none / 0)

overblown "facts" that you purport demonstrate your outrage du jour, and no comment on you either (as if I cared about you, per se), just on your daily, sleazy hit diaries, which belies all the claims about a "new style of politics."

. . .pass the chips. . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:45:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Right. . . (none / 0)

See Bob, I warned you. They won't address any serious issue that may hurt their candidate. Don't both them with facts while they are slumbering in HIllary in Wonderland.  


by munodi on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:10:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right. . .. . . (none / 0)

. . .real "serious issue." Hillary talked to somebody. Call the outrage police.

Yes, poor Bob is quite the unrecognized prophet. Here is trying to enlighten us poor, uneducated, low information Hillary supporters, but we just won't listen to his daily jeremiads. It must be so dispiriting to him. My heart bleeds.


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:42:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh. . . (none / 0)

. . .I forgot. . .pass the chips. . . .


by freemansfarm on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:43:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks, Bob (none / 0)

I think I'm pointing out the obvious here, but it seems like Obama supporters have been returning to MyDD over the past month or so.  Bob Johnson's diaries probably have a lot to do with that.


"The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country." - Robert F. Kennedy
by dmfox on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:13:27 PM EST

Jerome is grateful for the traffic. (none / 0)

Of that, I can assure you.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:42:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jerome is grateful for the traffic? Maybe not (none / 0)

We're gonna be working over the coming month to instituting some measures to make it more difficult to have an account here at MyDD. I'm sure there's many places on the web where people that having nothing better to do than attack other users will be welcome, but not here.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:55:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks, Bob (none / 0)

The thing is, dKos is informative but rather bland, without the Clinton supporters. myDD has an enormous about of Clinton supporters repeating the same tired, extremely worn lies about Obama, but at least it's interesting.

And no, I don't mean to say that everything negative said about Obama here is a lie. Sometimes it seems about 95%, but that's mostly because Rezko! Wright! NAFTAgate! and such turn up here so often, and the reading comprehension and basic factchecking of too many Clinton supporters seems extremely poor on those matters.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks, Bob (none / 0)

So honestly what is wrong with Obama supporters being on Mydd and posting the truth?


It's the Delegate count!
by ObamaRules on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:32:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nobody In Her Campaign Even Cares Any More (none / 0)

Or they would have never let her do this. It would have made a little sense in an open primary, but it just looks like she is soliciting GOP money from Rick Santorum's patron. Either nobody in her campaign even cares, or Hillary is intimidating them into bad decisions. Most of all, clearly Bill no longer cares.
by bernardpliers on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:26:13 PM EST

OK, here's what we know (2.00 / 1)

(1) Clinton met with Scaife and other representatives of his newspaper, and sat for an interview.

(2) One of Scaife's publications has published a hit-piece on Obama's advisor Tony McPeak.

Bob Johnson apparently wants us to conclude from this that Clinton arranged with Scaife to publish the hit-piece.

Let's look at a couple of other facts.

(1) John O. Brennan is an important foreign policy advisor for Obama.

(2) An employee of the company where Brennan is CEO is the focus of the investigation into the breaches of Obama's, Clinton's, and McCain's passport files.

Presumably, Bob also wants us to conclude that Obama arranged for Brennan to have the passport files examined (including Obama's own file, both to find out what Bush knows about Obama and to throw the hounds off the scent).

My conclusion: Bob is off his rocker in both cases, and we should stick to known facts before making decisions.


by Trickster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:42:43 PM EST

If you want to comment intelligently, you should (none / 0)

... at least read the diary first.

Here's the chronology:

1. Clinton meets with Scaife.

2. The following morning, Phil Singer, Clinton's spokesperson, distributes a hit piece from Scaife-funded rightwing rag, American Spectator, that claims Obama has a "Jewish problem" due to McPeak.

3. Also today, Scaife-funded, Judicial Watch, attacks Obama over records from his days in the Illinois State Senate.

Gee, just a coincidence.

At least read the diary before commenting. It makes you look more intelligent.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:46:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks for the tip (none / 0)

Sorry to look dumb, but even when looking at the additional material you provided, I'm missing the part that provides any speck of evidence that Clinton and Scaife colluded on the article.

And crap, I guess this makes me look even dumber, but this must be the first time one of Scaife's publications has ever criticized any liberal politician or advisor, right?  Because, if it's something his pubs do regularly, then we're blaming Hillary because . . . because why again?


by Trickster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:14:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The piece was distributed by Clinton spokesman (none / 0)

Phil Singer.

Yes, the Clinton campaign distributed a piece written by a vile wingnut from Scaife's American Spectator.

Can you imagine the uproar here if the Obama camp had distributed a piece written by a Scaife house organ?

I would call them slimebags.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:21:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The piece was distributed by Clinton spokesman (none / 0)

Obama himself relied on Drudge when accusing Clinton of peddling the African garb photo.  He a slimebag?


by Trickster on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:44:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

the hypocrisy is breathtaking (2.00 / 1)

So Obama can go to Pat Robertson's CBN and talk about Hillary's negatives and how her supporters will vote for him anyway (yeah think again Barry O) and when Sen. Clinton goes to a conservative newspaper to give an interview and answers one question it is sacrilege!!! Hypocrisy works top-down in the Obama campaign.
For one Obama had it coming because he tries to play politics by trying to link Wright to President Clinton (like Rezko)...that leaves him open to attack on this front. And this 48 hours after his "speech"...talk about hypocrisy. If the people are so concerned they should petition Obama to leave his church and denounce this guy unequivocally.
by tarheel74 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:52:25 PM EST

What don't you get? (none / 0)

It's Richard Mellon Scaife, for fuck sake!!

The kingpin of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that tried to take down the Clinton's the entire time they were in the White House.

And now she has co-opted the VRWC to use to attack Obama.  And her supporters around here just say "yeah! that's a good idea!"

jeebus.


by bawbie on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:28:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What don't you get? (none / 0)

this latest obamite conspiracy theory is seriously looney.

wow...

a pure daft wonder!


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:09:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What don't you get? (none / 0)

this latest obamite conspiracy theory is seriously looney.

wow...

a pure daft wonder!


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:10:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's a tissue (none / 0)

I have an idea for the author - quit whining.  Seriously.  Have some respect.  This is a Presidential campaign.  Your mock outrage is notably absent when the Obama camp does anything negative, but you're floored when the Clinton camp plays rough?  If that's the attitude of Obama supporters then please, do the democratic party a favor and quit.  And then go blog about it.


by polson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:29:12 PM EST

A picture tells a thousan words (none / 0)

But a float tells a million.

Go build a float, Bob.

Drive it around PA all you want and pretend no one's laughing at you.


by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:31:06 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Even when I dislike Hillary's tactics, which is often, I can still view them within the context of a political campaign and find them reasonable.

But this is hard to swallow.


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:44:08 PM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

But the context that she just sat down for an interview was really important. When I heard about the Scaife meeting without context, I was stunned.

But lots of people meeting with the editorial boards of opposing publications.

Example: both major candidates will certainly meet with the Wall Street Journal editorial board, if only out of respect for the WSJ readers.


by sclminc on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:30:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your first sentence is wildly inaccurate (none / 0)

You posted: "Yesterday, Hillary Clinton met with the very rightwing lunatic who spent millions of dollars trying to bring the Clintons down..."

This is untrue.

Per your own link: "Clinton was meeting with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial board..."

Nowhere in that article does it say that she met with Scaife.  Nowhere.  She is in Pennsylvania, trying to win that primary, and she visited a newspaper in Pittsburgh.

Please refrain from posting wildly inaccurate diaries in the future.

Sincerely,

John Dean


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:00:07 AM EST

Re: Your first sentence is wildly inaccurate (2.00 / 1)

Olbermann had this on his show tonight.  Here is the  youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nO0qyJrv Lc&feature=related

The man on Hillary's right is Richard Scaife.  She calls him "Dick" when she responds to his question in the video.


by JackieinCA on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:40:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Then I stand corrected somewhat (none / 0)

Bob did not provide that link, and I had no idea about the video from the link he did provide.

Regardless, she is in PA trying to win the primary, meeting with newspaper folks.

Anyone who tries to convince others she is in bed with the VRWC...well, enough said.


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:49:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

By the way, did you watch the video? (none / 0)

Did you watch it?

How can anyone possibly support hate speech against Hillary after watching that video?


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:21:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

Thanks, Jackie, for that link. Hillary was just brilliant! Meeting with Dick and the gang was a brilliant move.

More, here:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view .php?id=27296


by Nobama on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:33:35 AM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife!!1!!1!!! (none / 0)

OMG! Clinton sat down with the editorial board of the second largest paper in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania! Surely this can only be a nefarious plot! Why in heavens name would she bother with a big paper in Pennsylvania just before the primary there!?!??!

BTW, why is it that Clinton hit-piece turns into a spam-trap for Obama supporters? What is up with that?


by souvarine on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:41:41 AM EST

I'm just blown away. (2.00 / 1)

Ten years ago, Hillary was on NBC, calling Scaife and the Arkansas project a "Vast Rightwing Conspiracy," and I and a lot of other people believed it.  For ten years we have vented hate upon this guy.

And now she's all buddy-buddy with him, dishing dirt about Obama like ol' pals.

This is the same guy, right?

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

When journalist Karen Rothmyer tried to interview [Scaife] for a Columbia Journalism Review profile in the early 1980s, Scaife avoided her every inquiry. When she finally caught up with him on a Manhattan street...Rothmyer inquired as to why he chose to dedicate his fortune to the cause of conservative politics. Scaife replied in a booming voice, "You fucking Communist cunt, get out of here." He then volunteered his opinion that she was ugly and that her teeth were "terrible" before warning, "don't look behind you."

Eric Alterman
What Liberal Media?
(page 245)


by Dumbo on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:20:13 AM EST

Re: I'm just blown away. (none / 0)

if youre buying this nutty bs, your name really does fit.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:26:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, I get that all the time. (none / 0)

And it always hurts my feelings.


by Dumbo on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:57:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

kraziest konspiracy diary ever! (none / 0)


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:22:18 AM EST

Scaife; (none / 0)

btw,

If you knew your VRWC history, you would know that scaife had a falling out with Kenneth Tyrell and the American Spectator about 5 years ago and yanked ALL OF HIS FUNDING from them, which very nearly drove the mag under.

that connecion is 100% cut and done.

so is your truly stupid "theory".


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:34:14 AM EST

Re: Clinton meets with Scaife; Scaife entities (an (none / 0)

I think it's touching that Hillary and Bill have kissed and made up with those who sought to destroy them and everything the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:25:40 AM EST

Since Bob Johnson and dKos (none / 0)

Resemble a Scaife operation anyway, I don't get the outrage. There's not a dime's worth of difference.


by techfidel on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:20:57 AM EST

What's next? Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh? (none / 0)

Oops that already happened.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:09:01 AM EST


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