Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Registration

Some more good news out of Pennsylvania on the Democratic Party registration front.

Democratic Party enrollment surged past the 4 million mark Monday, setting a state record on the last day Pennsylvanians had to register to vote in next month's presidential primary. [...]

Since last year's election, which featured races for judicial and municipal offices, the number of Democrats increased by more than 161,000, or more than 4 percent, to at least 4,044,952. No political party in the state had previously reached the 4 million threshold.

Registration in the GOP declined by about 1 percent, to 3,215,478 statewide.

On The Stephanie Miller Show this morning there was much concern trolling about Rush Limbaugh's campaign to switch Republicans over to the Democratic Party for Hillary, further advancing this idea among Obama supporters that if voters switch parties to vote for Hillary it's out of sinister party-destroying motives but if they switch for Barack it's out of the goodness and pureness of their heart. This assumption ignores a couple things. First of all is the fact that, no matter how it may make Obama supporters' heads explode, some Republicans actually do genuinely prefer Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama.

From The Philadelphia Inquirer:

It is not easy to tell how many of the new Democrats came from the GOP, but recent random interviews with some of them suggested that the defectors have individual reasons for their decisions.

One is Ellen Weese, of Strafford, a longtime Republican who joined her husband in the Democratic Party this year. The couple have been working together as Obama campaign volunteers to register new voters in Delaware County.

"I was no longer feeling like a Republican," she said.

Peggy Conrad, a grandmother whose Upper Merion Township home straddles the Chester-Montgomery county line, also switched from Republican to Democrat.

"I feel strongly I want to vote Democratic this time," she said, adding that she likes both candidates, but intends to vote for Clinton.

"My gut is that maybe she has more experience dealing with Washington the way it is," she said.

Secondly, according to exit polls of Ohio and Texas, Obama and Clinton actually split independents in those two states, so this idea that Obama enjoys an inherent advantage among independents may actually be an outmoded paradigm, especially in a state like Pennsylvania, which has a general pre-disposition toward Clinton.

That's not to say, though, that Eric Kleefeld is wrong when he posits that the crossovers likely portend good news for Obama. Pennsylvania is different than Ohio and Texas in that it is a closed primary so one had to have switched party registration a month prior to election day (i.e. yesterday) and it does appear it was the Obama campaign that had a more concerted on the ground effort to recruit party switchers. From First Read:

At 4:30 p.m. Monday, as the doors to Chester County Voter Services automatically clicked shut, several people pleaded for entry, to register to vote for the primary. Election officials across the state said they had never seen a rush like what occurred over the weekend. Obama campaign aides were at the Voter Services door, ready to give those shut out alternative suggestions to register in time.

No matter how the party switchers shake out in their support on April 22, I love the fact that the GOP is already trying to figure out how to win those voters back in November.

Gleason said the GOP will work hard to persuade party-switchers to return to the fold and help elect Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. He said that will include telephone canvassing, mailings and even handing out voter-registration forms at some polls on primary day, April 22.

"We know everybody who switched," he said. "When this (primary) election is over, we're going after those people. We're going to get them back."

Not sure if the threatening tone is really the way to go, but, alas, what else do they have, really, when McCain's the nominee.



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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Based on the fact that the GOP has lost far fewer voters than we have gained in Pennsylvania it seems like the swell in ranks is coming mainly from independent voters and new voters. This is still a Very Good Thing though.

Politics Pa has the percentages in Pa at 49% Democrat, 39% Republican with the remaining 12% being other/independent. I think this should put to bed any argument that Pennsylvania could go Red in November, but I am sure we will keep hearing naysayers talk about the invincible John McCain.  


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:15:45 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

I feel good about keeping PA blue as well, but we should keep in mind that those registration numbers are somewhat skewed.  Especially in the western PA suburbs, there are scores of registered democrats who literally haven't voted for a Democrat since 1980 and who are very conservative.  


by HSTruman on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:48:15 PM EST
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Put to bed (none / 0)

I wouldn't for a minute claim that McCain is "invincible" in PA in the general election, but does it make me a"naysayer" to point out that he leads Obama in the polls there?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/pennsylvania.html


by freemansfarm on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:59:55 PM EST
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Re: Put to bed (none / 0)

I was more talking about the people who claim that Obama loses every state ever and is completely worthless as a candidate...or at least think he will lose all of PA, NJ, MASS, etc.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:11:06 PM EST
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Democratic Registration (none / 0)

This is a bad year to be in the business of being a Republican political consultant.  I can't wait to wake up the morning after in November and see what the new makeup will be in the House of Rep.  That's where we will make the big gains.


by global yokel on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:20:53 PM EST

Asplode! (none / 0)

I don't think the Rush movement is making any Obama supporters' heads explode any more than GOP voters voting for Obama in other states made Clinton supporters' heads explode.

By which I mean, yes, heads exploded, but only the heads of overly partisan spazzes, and frankly, everything makes their heads explode. I'm surprised they still have heads to explode, but they just keep growing back, like a hydra.

Fact is, lots of formerly GOP voters will be voting for Democrats this cycle. Sort of makes sense since:
a) The country is in the pooper
b) The GOP nominee doesn't realize that people would rather the country be somewhere else other than the pooper
c) It's not like the pooper is going to start smelling better.

But seriously, if you're going to assign something to all "Obama supporters," at least make it something real that all "Obama supporters" feel, like our heads growing in joy that PA has registered all these dems.

It's called growing the party -- which is, if we as Obama AND Clinton supporters don't f it up but good, what the primary process is SUPPOSED to do.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:26:10 PM EST

is this really a good thing? (none / 0)

Daily Kos announced that there was time to register as a democrat.  I believe that the republicans changing parties to vote will only do so temorarily, and are doing so to prevent HRC from getting the huge win that she needs.


by internetstar on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:27:58 PM EST

lookie here (none / 0)


I don't the Rush movement has any real effect. I would also point out that while Dem registration is up over 100,000 voters in PA GOP registration is only down a little over 13,000.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/25/1 5744/0765/13#13
-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:46:26 PM EST
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Democrats for a Day (none / 0)

So Obama is willing to use GOP voters to register as fake Democrats in order to score points against Clinton?  I suspect this is the same thing he's been doing with the caucus process all along.

Surely he doesn't think these Republicans will vote for him in the GE, does he?   Seems like an incredibly short sighted and ignorant strategy that will most certainly backfire.

A full investigations of primary election rigging should be in order ASAP.  Ohio has already begun with the Cuyahoga County BOE Dem chair calling for an investigation of Democrats for a Day in Ohio.  As Mr. Sandy McNair points out - in Ohio its a fifth degree felony.


by Betsy McCall on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:26:54 PM EST
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Re: Democrats for a Day (none / 0)

Its Rush Limbaugh who told them to switch for a day, not Obama.  Thats pretty low to suggest.  


by phemfrog on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:55:34 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

I think the switch is coming from Republicans who are sick of the Republican Party and McCain.  Obama followers are giving too much credit and attention to Limbaugh.  He's just trying to act like he is causing this exodus from the Republican Party.

But really, Republicans are disgusted and don't want to be bothered with McCain.  I think many of those Republicans jumping ship are planning to vote for Obama too.

Either way, I don't think too many of those switching today will vote McCain in November if Hillary or Obama is the nominee.  The Republicans are imploding.


by stefystef on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:30:40 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

I don't the Rush movement has any real effect. I would also point out that while Dem registration is up over 100,000 voters in PA GOP registration is only down a little over 13,000.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:13:25 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

But Obama supporters claim he is a "liberal". Why would Republicans cross party lines to vote for a liberal?

This doesn't pass the smell test.  


by Betsy McCall on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:28:06 PM EST
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Doesn't pass the smell test? (none / 0)

Obama is a liberal because of his voting record. Funny you should ask, because today's WaPo has a pretty good piece on Obama's liberalism. It pegs Barack to the left of Hillary on Social Security and driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants. It also points out that she took him to task for his liberal state senate record.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/03/25/AR2008032503082. html?hpid=topnews

What doesn't pass the smell test is voting for the war in Iraq and then saying it was a vote for diplomacy. If HRC's vote for war in Iraq was a vote for diplomacy then why did she vote against the Levin amendment that called for diplomacy?

Why does HRC take a page out of the Republican playbook by including mandates in her healthcare package? Who else supports mandates? Mitt Romney and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Does that pass your smell test, Betsy?

The reason Barack is winning over the 3% of Republicans who are actually reasonable is that he respects their point of view. That's a lesson we can all take. From a real liberal.

But don't take it from me. Here are some of the ratings, with a few other pols thrown in for perspective:

League of Conservation Voters lifetime environmental scores:
Obama: 96
Clinton: 90
Edwards: 59
http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/vote rguide/voterguide.pdf

National Journal composite liberal scores 2006
Obama 86
Clinton 70.2
Lieberman  67.5
Specter 52.5
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/s en/lib.htm

National Journal composite liberal scores lifetime average:
Obama 84.3
Clinton 78.8
Dodd 79.2
Biden 76.8
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/p df/06democrats.pdf

Americans for Democratic Action
2005:
Obama 100
Clinton 100
http://www.adaction.org/ADATodayVR2005.p df

2006:
Obama 95
Clinton 95
http://www.adaction.org/ADATodayVR2006.p df

ADA 2008 guide to presidential candidates:

Clinton
Iraq 66%
Healthcare 100%
Energy & Environment 100%
Economy & Working families 100%
Civil Rights 100%
Lifetime voting average: 95.83%

Obama
Iraq 100%
Healthcare 100%
Energy and environment 100%
Economy & Working families 100%
Civil Rights 100%
Lifetime voting average: 97.5%

Edwards
Iraq 33%
Healthcare 100%
Energy & Environment 100%
Economy & Working families 100%
Civil Rights 100%
Lifetime voting average: 77.5%

http://www.adaction.org/democrats2008.pd f

Please feel free to copy and paste this anywhere and everywhere.


by davefordemocracy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:28:07 AM EST
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Record-Setting Democratic Registration (2.00 / 1)

More Democrats = Good Thing


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:55:00 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 2)

Now matter who you prefer Hillary/Obama this should only be good news! I find all the cynical partisan pot shots and innuendos over everything repugnant. I think it would be nice to act like we are all on the side of Angels. Aren't we?


by eddieb on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:01:13 PM EST

Um, No (2.00 / 1)

It's not some crazy idea...it's because Rush SAID to subvert the process; that is a big difference (and you know this/better).  Were the people who switched to vote for Romney in Michigan doing it b/c they were big fans.  There's a huge difference between people voting for someone and voting against someone.  The conventional wisdom (and it makes sense) has been that Obama has excited people outside the usual Dem sphere to the point they'll change parties.  We can both agree whoever does this, it's good (it may make you question their progressive credentials, but the choice also isn't always all about politics).  There's concern about crossovers for Clinton b/c Limbaugh is exhorting his listeners to vote for her to hurt the Dems chances (not my opinion, his intention).  That, obviously, would be bad. It's not "having it both ways," it's an honest distinction (two different things are happened) and I think you know this!  

That being said, I don't think that's happening.  I just don't think the dismissiveness of an honest concern or casual treating of Obama supporters as crazy is, um, helpful  


by thurst on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:03:40 PM EST

Republicans for Barack (2.00 / 1)

Well, just to add to the anecdotal evidence, I stood in front of the Mt. Airy Wawa in northwest Philadelphia and registered about 13-15 Democrats last week. Some were first timers, two had been independents and one was a Republican convert.

The Republican convert saw my Obama sticker and said, I'm a Republican, but in November I'm voting for your guy. I gave him my Democrat-for-a-day spiel and he signed right up.

The guy running the northwest Philly office told me they had registered like 400 Democrats the day before, just in Germantown, Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill. That's 400 Democrats who aren't on the voter rolls yet and 400 Democrats the Obama campaign now knows how to contact. In one day. From one office.

Nobody's head's exploding, we just know what the Obama campaign's doing, we know what the numbers look like and what the trends are. These new Democrats will vote overwhelmingly for Barack. I'm quite sure a couple will vote for Hillary, but come on, people.


by davefordemocracy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:13:06 PM EST

Re: Republicans for Barack (2.00 / 1)

Dave, are you involved in any of the local campaigns there as well?

I know the area pretty well and do some consulting for some of the Philly candidates.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:15:27 PM EST
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Re: Republicans for Barack (none / 0)

No, I'm finishing my masters in DC-- and looking for a job...

I grew up in Philly and I have supported Patrick Murphy, Allyson Schwartz, and Anne Dicker. Also worked on the '04 presidential there.


by davefordemocracy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:22:11 AM EST
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Re: Republicans for Barack (none / 0)

Democrat for a Day is illegal in many states.  Is it legal in North Carolina?


by Betsy McCall on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:29:29 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 2)

I created a quick list of Pennsylvania counties where Obama should do well, and a list where Clinton should do well based on an earlier blog post by Jay Cost. I then looked at the new voter and party change registrations in each of those counties and compared them to the Democratic voter registration totals of each county. I thought this might be a decent metric by which to judge the extent of each campaign's voter registration efforts. If a Clinton county, for instance, saw a big jump in new voters and/or party switchers, we might surmise that her campaign would largely be responsible for it.

What I found was that the largest percentage increases were in Obama counties, suggesting, in a very preliminary and bet-hedging way, that the Obama campaign bested the Clinton campaign in voter registration. I'd like to do this for all PA counties, but don't have the time right now. For now, here's my sample counties and the percent increase of new voters and party switchers as a percentage of total registered Democrats:

Clinton Counties:
Beaver County 1.5%
Luzerne County 2.8%
Lackawanna County 2.2%

Obama Counties:
Centre County 3.5%
Montgomery County 3.9%
Philadelphia County 2.2%

Averages:
Clinton Counties 2.2%
Obama Counties 3.2%


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:28:46 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 2)

A couple comments.  First, Montgomery County is going to be a battleground county.  This is the heart of the Philly suburbs that could go either way, and WILL go the way of the winner.  It is not an Obama county.  Second, percentages in this case are probably a little misleading.  A 2.2% increase in Philadelphia County is probably nearly as much or more in actual people than the rest of the list combined.  There have been huge registration drives going on all last week and this week by the Obama campaign (or at least people with Obama buttons on) in Center City outside the Gallery Mall.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:44:56 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

  I agree that Montgomery county will be the quintessential battleground for the primary.  I'm sure Hillary has the edge now.  We should remember, however, that the Obama campaign is behind almost all of the voter registration efforts.  Hillary's campaign didn't get in gear until 2 days before the deadline.  The Obama campaign got these new voters, and you would have to guess that these new voters would naturally favor Obama.  


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:03:16 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

Clinton people were out there too.


by stefystef on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:31:15 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic (1.00 / 2)

Registration advantage means nothing when half of the Clintonistas are ready to have a hissy fit and put McCain in office out of spite because they're mad their candidate was beaten by the better man.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

   Here in Centre county the GOP chairman practically burst in to tears begging people to stop leaving the Republican party.  OK, I exaggerate, but he did issue a statement to try and stop the bleeding.  It was met with a yawn and a chuckle, of course.  Soon the news will come out that Centre County now has more Democrats than Republicans.  
   Look, I know several Republicans who have changed to vote for Hillary, but let's not pretend that these new voters aren't going to go overwhelmingly for Obama.  They will.  People keep talking about the party switchers, but I like to focus on the new voters.  They chose the Democratic party almost 3-1.
Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:59:53 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 2)

You don't offer any explanation of why it would be Obama that they are sure to vote for.  I believe that in NH when Obama was still sparkling, it was expected that all the new voters and turnout would be for Obama, but instead Hillary brought out the most who were women.  Dont be so sure of yourself.


by Scotch on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:28:29 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

  Because people plastered with Obama gear registered them.  People with Obama gear stopped them at supermarkets and knocked on their doors.  Clinton's campaign isn't doing that.  That's why.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:34:00 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

While a few of the Republicans are going to the Dem side in "operation chaos", but I think most are so disgusted with McCain and the party in general.

Good observation, cilerder86


by stefystef on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:51:08 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

Look I know Beeton is happy to stick a shiv in Obama's people when the opportunity presents itself, but I just find it curious that the Obama advantage evaporated only after Limbaugh started his campaign. I do think in PA it's not going to be a very huge effect as the closed nature of the primary. And earlier some in the GOP establishment (the more hawkish side) expressed a kind of acceptance of Clinton.

BUT remember the argument made by posters INNUMERABLE here? That Obama wasn't "really" winning because his voters had substantial blocks of republicans and to a lesser extent Indies? That it's being turned around now is really hypocritical.

But really, I'm not surprised anymore by the actions of HRC supporters in the blogosphere.


by MNPundit on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:05:08 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

Obama went into PA with exactly this strategy, voter registration to "fluff" the primary turnout.  His campaign admitted as much, they market the idea ostensibly as attracting new voters to register.  It's actually a short sighted strategy to register as many Republicans as possible to become Democrats for a Day, a practice that is illegal in many states.


by Betsy McCall on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

So when is mydd.com going to stop insulting Obama supporters (i.e. REAL Dems for change) and start talking about important issues like Hillary's baldfaced Bosnia lies and hardon for right wing economic "experts" like Alan "Father of the Bubble" Greenspan?


by beermeister on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:23:55 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 0)

And her great respect for John McCain. I thought we'd want a Democrat, not a Republican-lite (and not that lite either).


by danfromny on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:41:31 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

Exit polls show that Hillary is the more popular among the real Democrats.  Obama has gotten more support from Indep and Repubs (Dems for a day)
Let's not forget that Obama loves Reagan and the Repub party of ideas.  Nancy Reagan endorsed McCain today and I am sure Obama is heart broken.
by tiffany on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:44:17 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Aparrently its ok to tell blatant lies but not admit that the Republican party smeared the Dems in terms of organization for most of the 80s.

OH MY GOD I JUST SPOKE THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY! BAN ME QUICK!


by beermeister on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:53:38 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting (2.00 / 1)

The RushLimbaughidiots I know wouldn't switch to the democratic party for anything in the world, especially to vote for Clinton and even if it was part of a scam.  However, I would bet that there may be quite a few REpublican women who would switch to vote for Hillary.  Back when Florida was voting, I saw some statistics on Pollster.com that showed that Republican women were not showing up to vote for Republicans.  Who would blame them after seeing the same old lineup of old white neocons on the Republican side all dressed in their suit and tie uniforms.  The temptation to vote for Hillary would just be too much and it would not be suprising if a large number of the repub to dem switchers were female.  

Thank you for bringing it out in the open and actually saying out loud the double standard that says that anything done for Obama is lined with gold, but anything done for Clinton is a scam.  Screw that.  I am tired of the disgusting view that O followers have of their candidate, regardless of how many show them they are wrong.    


by Scotch on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:24:14 PM EST

Fools Errand (none / 0)

appealing to republicans to win a democratic primary is a fools errand that spells disaster for democrats in the fall. Both campaigns should have been strongly discouraged by the DNC from pursuing such a tactic.

republicans will be voting for mccain in the fall - period.
.


by gak on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 07:06:52 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (2.00 / 1)

In my state, you have to be a party member to vote the primary, and in all the many past years, the Presidential nominee was usually decided long before the vote came here. So lots of us Dems were registered Rep just so we could affect the other guy's team. But this year, I rushed to change over to Dem so I could help elect the first woman President.

Me and a lot of others.
 That has never happened in all of US History.
 It's been 100% men.Men...yes, all of them. Color ...who cares. Obama is still a man.

What I care deeply about is putting this brilliant woman in the White house.
 We've tried the man thing. Not working very well.
 Let's let a woman take on the task of cleaning up the mess...
It always works around here.
 In one debate, Obama arrogantly took all the credit for so many people coming out to vote. He thinks it's all for him. Well, I beg to differ.
 Young women and not so young women are registering and voting for first times.
 Latinos, Asians , and people of all colors are coming out to vote for the one person who can actually take on the mess we are in.
 HILLARY......
 I wear a Hillary button all over the region and I get such a vast array of people who give me a smile and and thumbs up.
 Hillary is the uniter.Look at demographics of her supporters. Truly the melting pot of voters.

Hillary can unite this country and she can clean up this big mess we are in.
Hillary/08


by naturesway on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:04:30 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Even if the woman is the absolute worst representative of the gender one can find?  Hillary is a conniving pseudo-republican liar with an ego to match her sense of entitlement.

A Hillary presidency will set women back 20 years.  As an actual progressive I know for a fact that we have better women to offer for the presidency.


by beermeister on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:56:48 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Can't let that pass. Hillary has done far more for women and children than many politicians have. She may actually get universal health care going, and is for science and Nasa getting more funding, unlike Obama.

She's also for getting the private mercenaries out of the war business.

There are many other things, but those are some of the issues I'm most interested in.


by splashy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:54:58 AM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Oh, and troll rated for the liar bit.


by splashy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:55:30 AM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

I guess one man's liar is another man's "sleep deprived embellisher of facts like any other person"

Except that she did it at least 4 times.

Take off the blinders.  


by beermeister on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 01:17:46 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

Excellent!
I'm a proud Hillary supporter too.

I know it can be tough out there sometimes, but thank you for your support!

Hillary '08  Real Solutions for Real Change


by stefystef on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:14:54 PM EST
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Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

CNN said today that 87,000 republicans in PA had switched to democrat.  Someone said that Rush played a part, encouraging his listeners to register democrat to vote for Hillary.   It will keep the fight going in our party, and continue to hurt the party.  

My republican relatives tell me that people called into Rush everyday to tell him that they registered democrat to vote for Hillary.  They're laughing their butts off about it.  :(


by SueBee on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47:14 PM EST

Re: Pennsylvania's Record-Setting Democratic Regis (none / 0)

So, tell me, how is that any different than Obama bragging about getting the Repub and Indie vote?

We really should have closed primaries, where if they vote Dem in the primary, they have to vote Dem in the general. No choice to change by the general election.

That would stop many of them.


by splashy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:57:32 AM EST
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