Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Biggest Weakness

While much has been written about Clinton's Tuzla landing fable, the bigger picture of her exaggeration/fib goes well beyond undercutting her oft-repeated "Ready on day one" positioning.

According to a March 18 Gallup Poll, Clinton's Achilles Heel is that voters do not believe she is honest:

Perceived Honesty Gap for Clinton Versus Obama, McCain

Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).

In an effort to prove her foreign policy bona fides of late, Clinton has made a number of claims which, at best, appear to be stretching the truth of her impact on events.

In this case, though, she has been caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

While Clinton brushes off her tall tale as a "minor blip," the fact that she has repeated this fib in front of cameras at least twice will underscore her biggest perceived weakness in the minds of voters.

Contrast her harrowing tale against video showing her casually greeting a welcoming party, and reporters and others discounting her version of events, and voters' strongest negative perceptions of her will be reinforced.



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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (1.57 / 19)

Ya its that she has done so many things that she doesn't always remember them all clearly...

A Problem Obama doesn't have?

Seems he forgot how much Rezko gave him...

Seems he forgot what he heard in church...


by DTaylor on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:11:37 PM EST

Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 7)

Why not just discuss this issue in a serious way rather than shouting "but your candidate has problems, too!"?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:14:46 PM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 6)

I'm posting this on every Tulza diary today. Yes, I know it is a repeat. I think we are up to about a dozen.

Maybe she was thinking about this day at Camp Bedrock when she misspoke about something that happened 10 years ago:

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But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
...
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.
Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

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First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her country's troops at their fortified outposts in north-eastern Bosnia today and said their peacekeeping work was "extraordinary to behold".
Mrs Clinton's helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 miles east of Tuzla, took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been blown off in the fierce fighting before last December's Paris peace agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

A machine gun emplacement guarded the entrance of the outposts and marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.
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 After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army field hospital.

Mrs Clinton, who later returned to Tuzla for a show starring singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was "amazed at how much has been accomplished in such a short period of time" by US troops in Bosnia.
Source - Lexis - The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

Talkleft: I did some research on Lexis Nexis last night

I'm amazed that she took a chopper to a forward MASH unit. Can you believe that? The First Lady of the United States. Can you imagine Laura Bush putting on a flak jacked and heading out to a forward MASH unit. What a brave and wonderful woman.

I hope the Obama folks do keep flailing at this issue. It just spotlights their lack of character and the type of leader Hillary Clinton is.

The US had made a huge commitment to bringing peace, and they decided to send Hillary and Chelsea as a symbol of our committment to peace. That's leadership. That's powerful world class leadership. I find all the nasty innuendo sad and desperate. She put herself in harms way for the cause of peace. Would any of us do the same? I doubt it, but then we are not fit to be a leaders of the free world, are we?


by MediaFreeze on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:38:11 AM EST
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Oh, MediaFlooze, just stop it already... (1.25 / 4)

HRC and you, her apologists, LOST THIS ONE BIG TIME, and we're just getting started. You think THIS is bad?! April is gonna be GREEAAAT!!! Taxes on April 15th. Largest campaign contribution fraud in American history of $1.2 million through Peter Paul for HRC's Senate run in 2000 disguised as a "Hollywood Gala Event" - trial date to be set on April 25th here in California. If you can't grin and bare this latest large (but proportionally to what's coming, small) fiasco, you're gonna need a straight-jacket and a padded room (not to imply that you don't already need them, of course) and we're gonna need some large nets to catch both you and HRC by the time PA's primary comes around . Get help... just sayin'.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:58:48 AM EST
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Re: Oh, MediaFlooze, just stop it already... (1.66 / 3)


Oh no, FACTS!  THEY SCARE LITTLE OBAMA FANS!
by BrandingIron17 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:31:58 AM EST
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HRC "experience" torn down in 9min video (2.00 / 5)

Duck, cover, stop, drop & roll Hillary, SNIPERS EVERYWHERE ... LOL!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/ 23601329#23785397

Everytjing's debunked in the above linked segment, HRC's GREATEST HITS (well, "misses" actually... just like the snipers in post-war Bosnia narrowly missed her... whew!):

- Tuzla, Bosnia (ALL lies, war was over months in advance and MANY other "high profile" Americans - including Bill Clinton - had been there before her) - Iraq Vote (she's a tool, 'nuff said), - Opened borders in Macedonia (they opened the day before she got there, she had nothing to do with it), - Ireland Peace process (she did nothing more than arrange lunches and be CHEERLEADER), - SCHIP (she didn't do squat to get that passed, she joined in AFTER it's passage), - Family Medical Leave Act (again, she jumped on the bandwagon AFTER the work was done), - Important legislation passage (2, tied with Obama - the "junior" Senator from Illinois).

Where's the 35 years of experience HRC? Get it through your thick head(s) HRC (and her supporters: Experience means NOTHING if it was all mostly BAD experience. just like the fact that Bush being the "Decider" is NOT a good thing, if his decisions were all bad (and the worst one, Iraq, was supported by HRC to boot).


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:19:09 AM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 2)

BHO told the Sun-Times March 15:

But the sermons I've always hear[d] were no different than the sermons you hear in many African-American churches. I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected.

March 18th, he conceded a bit more: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

should I say he lied to Sun times


by indus on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:23:55 AM EST
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Controversial v. Objectionable (2.00 / 2)

Big difference between "objectionable" and "controversial" remarks. I hear my Unitarian minister make "controversial" remarks for a minister all the time - usually about gays and lesbians, or about peace. But are they "objectionable?" Hell no.


by elrod on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:33:33 AM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 1)

I'll take stupid statements from a presidential candidate like BHO's supporter over bald-faced lying directly from a candidate like HRC herself ANYDAY!


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:25:55 AM EST
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Just stop it (2.00 / 2)

He didn't hear the specific words that everyone's hearing on YouTube.

He did hear things that some might think were "controversial."  These are not contradictory statements.

Stop implying otherwise.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:06:13 AM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (none / 0)

You may be right.  So why doesn't Clinton say that?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:21:37 AM EST
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ha! (none / 0)

I'm sure Obama followers will be posting these facts all over the net.
Surely they want to correct their disinformation from Sinbad - who wasn't even on the trips with Hillary to the more dangerous outposts near Tuzla.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:14:29 AM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 1)

"...puts herself in harm's way?"  Uh, nope. Leaders, especially those of a symbolic variety (as opposed to elected ones), such as the First Lady, do not get sent into life-threatening situations.  

Imagine the diplomatic and domestic problems that would attend physical harm to the First Lady and Chelsea. No semi-competent President (i.e., GWB excepted) or Sec. of State is going to let that happen.

Why in the world does Sen. Clinton want to swap war stories with Sen. McCain?  She can't win such a comparison and shouldn't try!  Sen. "Ace" McCain had a bazillion planes shot out from under him, and Clinton had what, a ride in a helicopter with an armada of Air Cav and Secret Service?  She's scripting her own Michael-Dukakis-in-the-tank moment.  (You know, like the APC in your pic...)


by Twin Planets on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:14:59 AM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 2)

I don't see her keeping her head down and running to her vehicle in that picture either.  In fact, I don't see any vehicle for her to run to.

Looks to me like she's strolling along, smiling and waving, on ground that doesn't look even remotely like a tarmac.


by jrooth on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:41:47 AM EST
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You're changing the narrative (none / 0)

I think Hilllary is a great leader and was one of the best First Ladies in this nation's history.  And as much as I'd like that to be relevant to the Tuzla story, it is not.

Even in your quoted article of her trips to forward units, there is nothing, zero, zip, zilch about her being under enemy or sniper fire at any time.  She visited military outposts.  People there were armed.  That's hardly a shocker or any indication of her courage or proof of and significant foreign policy experience for which she has put forth her Boznia trip.

It would be great for her if there was any substantiation of her landing under sniper fire or running for cover stories.  Those accounts may well be true at some undocumented point in her trip.  Unfortunately, what is documented makes her look pretty foolish, and more than a little dishonest.

In my opinion, no one is enhancing their credibility by pretending otherwise.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:06:18 PM EST
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Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (none / 0)

Nice try MediaFreeze...NOT!


by gabbie on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 02:00:37 PM EST
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Hillary's Bosnia Tale, A Betrayal of Trust (2.00 / 1)

Hillary's Recount, "The Tale of Bosnian Sniper Fire" is outrageous and a breach of the Public Trust or should be. It goes right to the Heart of Credibility and to Character!

Some in the media have gone on to say, "it's no big deal", or this amounts to "silly season." Incredulous!  However, to willfully mislead the public for gain is wrong and should have no place in our politics today and certainly should not be rewarded by a vote of confidence and our votes.  This is an egregious matter.  Further, Politicians should not get a pass from the Media -- to be able to get away with such outrageous distortions, lies and exaggeration. They should be held to a Higher Standard than the rest of us if they want to hold the highest office in the land and to lead America to a better standard of life.   This is what is wrong with our politics of today, a "do and say" anything policy that is allowed to be acceptable when on the otherhand, we raise our children not to lie and steal and cheat.  

In trying to make Barack look "unelectable", by using the Words of Rev. Wright (not Barack's Words), Camp Clinton has adopted a "say and do" anything agenda, "throw the kitchen sink" and the basement too, which was supposed to make them look more "electable".  However, what she accomplished instead by her Bosnia Tale is a Focus on her Words (not her Rev., not her husband, HERS!), which we have discovered to be Exagerrations!   So we are left to Question, what can we believe from her since Nafta turned out not to be true, Ireland is questionnable -- so we wonder what can we believe that comes out of Hillary and Camp Clinton's mouth, and further, what other Misstatements has she Misspoke?

Unfortunately, this race could have been over in Texas, but the Main Stream Media has been silent on telling the American people that if not for the 100,000 Republicans who voted for Hillary, edged on by Rush Limbaugh, Barack would have won Texas. The Republicans also voted for her in Ohio and gave her a substantial margin. This was done not because they have a particular liking for Hillary, but because they want to prolong the race between the Democrats to make John McCain look good, and because they think they can beat Hillary in the Fall. Just watch Pat Buchannan and Joe Scarborough's disingenuous Spin and you will see all their talking points. They are no friend to America or to the Democratic Party.

Here's a Trailer Hillary's "The Tale of Bosnian Sniper Fire" URL:
http://www.youtube.com/...
::

Let's say -- "No More Do and Say Anything Politicians!"


by bacalove on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:01:08 PM EST
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Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (2.00 / 3)

Obama has his own problems.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:17:09 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

You have it right...this issue does embody voters' concern about her truthiness.

Fairly or unfairly !!

Obama has his problems too.. as you point out, but those problems have not broken through voters' radar screen yet.

Fairly or unfairly !!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:49:34 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (2.00 / 9)

Better take another look at the 'radar screen,' there's a blip.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:54:03 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

Since the majority of people don't expect her to be honest and trustworthy and yet people are supporting her anyway, I guess it won't hurt her among her supporters.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:51:21 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (2.00 / 0)

That is the point I was trying to make.  Thank you !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:54:26 PM EST
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Or how about another angle (2.00 / 2)

Voters haven't been thinking much about her lack of honesty, and this only reminds them of it.

It's very hard to win the Presidency when the electorate thinks you're a liar. Bill Clinton pulled it off because he was a master at changing the subject. Hillary doesn't have that option right now, down as she is in the primary season.


by elrod on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:57:04 PM EST
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Re: Or how about another angle (2.00 / 1)

It depends on what the issues are.

If I am desperate to hire someone to do a particular job, and the only qualified person has a few honesty issues, I will probably go with that person.

If HRC is a candidate in November, it is quite likely that other issues (hint: it is the economy, stupid) will be paramount.

As to the current HRC/BHO fight; I doubt HRC's honesty is an issue ~ her negatives are already quite high.  That is one reason, I suspect, that the HRC campaign admitted the mistake...it does not cost them all that much.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:23:34 AM EST
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Re: Or how about another angle (none / 0)

But this isn't just some white lie about some random event. It cuts to the heart of her claim to be ready on day one for Commander in Chief responsibility. There's a reason she gave this story in speeches about national security. It's supposed to bolster her case that she has faced serious danger in her life - perhaps like McCain did in Vietnam - and so is ready for that 3am  call.

So if it turns out it's a lie, not only does it remind voters of her dishonesty, but it undermines a key selling point against Obama about her experience.

Sadly, she didn't need to do this. The experience was noteworthy enough on its own. But hubris may have gotten the best of her as she delivered this in her prepared remarks on multiple occasions. Spinning it as a "misstatement" is unconvincing, and makes her dishonesty look even worse.

I'd also say there are voters who don't care about her honesty issues, but there are many potential HRC voters who do care about it. And Hillary doesn't want to remind them of their reservations at this critical hour.


by elrod on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:58:38 AM EST
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Re: Or how about another angle (2.00 / 2)


but it's not a lie, check out the facts under MediaFreeze's comments above.  And the comments from
Lissa Muscatine.

UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

   I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.


by BrandingIron17 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:34:15 AM EST
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Re: Or how about another angle (2.00 / 2)

LOL!  I love how the Clinton enthusiasts use the opinions of former Clinton aides as pure truth.  Don't you think there was a slight incentive for her speechwriter to stretch the truth to protect her former boss?

Consider what happened to Richardson - he was tagged as Judas for endorsing someone else.  Imagine what the Clinton folk would do to no-named unloyal aides.


by ckd5555 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:21:33 AM EST
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Re: Or how about another angle (2.00 / 0)

"We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip."

There's a difference between a welcoming ceremony that "might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills" and an actually canceled welcoming ceremony wherein Hillary had to run from sniper fire to her car.  One is the potential danger one faces in a former war zone. The other is a direct and immediate life-threatening emergency. It's also a lie.


by elrod on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:36:29 AM EST
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"it does not cost them all that much." (none / 0)

Even costing a little means EVERYTHING when you can't afford anything. In terms of HRC, I mean she can't "afford" anything in  EVERY context of the word. She's broke; morally, financially, in terms of electability, etc.... just saying.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:31:52 AM EST
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it does not cost them all that much (none / 0)

She has plenty of capital...

Don't forget.. the race is essentially tied (or close) despite the legions of Hillary haters.  She has very high negatives... and driving them up higher will not change that; not unless you can lower her positives.

And her positives are; (a) she is a figher (b) she understabnds the issues, etc.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:27:47 AM EST
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her positives are; (a) she is a figher (b) she und (2.00 / 0)

"her positives are; (a) she is a figher (b) she understabnds the issues, etc.".

Actually, those so called (false and delusional) "positives" are HANDILY defeated by these two very REAL negatives; (a) she fights but loses constantly (healtchcare anyone?), and (b) she's GOT issues with understanding the truth.

Hillary is a "fighter" (stubborn, narrow minded, and out of touch) the same way Bush is... and they both suck.

But McCain and Repugnantcans still suck more, so I'll vote for HRC if she's the nominee.

She at least sucks less than McCain (although she can't touch Obama on compassion, credibility, honesty, and foresight) so she'll get my vote if it comes down to it in the end.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:46:48 AM EST
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Delusion... (none / 0)

is projecting your own emotions on to the rest of the population.

And that is what you are doing !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:21:38 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (2.00 / 1)


You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln

Damn them roostin' chickens.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:57:09 PM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

or the alternate ending in Bushian...um, uh, you can't get fooled again.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:13:37 AM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

You only need to fool 50 million + 1 people one day in November !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:18:52 AM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

Sad but true, it was ever thus.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:22:47 AM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

Yes.  But such a campaign does not build a coalition necessary to solve the vast problems this country is facing.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:38:14 AM EST
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True, but HRC is no where near the majority (none / 0)

in ANY contest during these primaries, she won't be anywhere near the Democratic convention as a candidate, AND she especially will be NO WHERE NEAR the White House in January!


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:37:21 AM EST
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Re: True, but HRC is no where near the majority (none / 0)

Do you think Obama's ploy of "Dem for a day" will show up for him in Nov?
After all - Obama assures them they can switch back to Repub and Indy before Nov.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:52:25 AM EST
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HRC's "surge" is attributed to Limbaugh (none / 0)

and all the other Reugnantcans who have gotten all those "Dems for a Day" to go and vote for HRC to get her nominated as the Democratic candidate because they KNOW they can completely TRASH her and BEAT the living cr@p out of her in November. Why do you think McCain's chief strategeist said he'll resign if Obama is the Democratic candidate but not Hillary? Because they KNOW how to defeat HRC... even I do. Here's the formula: 50% of the work would be to show all of her and hubby's debacles for the past decade and a half (they can even dig deeper back into their days in Arkansas too and find some more gems), and the other 50% of the ork would simply be to sit back and watch the Clintons themselves self-destruct while tripping all over eachothers lies and trying to back-peddle through "sniper" fire.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:34:53 AM EST
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Nice try. (none / 0)

First, the Obama campaign doesn't say any such thing (neither does the Clinton campaign as far as I know).  And it isn't for a day in PA where they have to be registered well ahead of the primary to get on the official list.

Second, why would anyone even need to switch back for the general election?  Doesn't matter how you are registered in the GE.

Moderate republicans are truly unhappy with their party.  Most of them can't stand Bush & Co. and don't want more of the same.  Many that haven't switched for the primary are still planning to vote Dem in November.  I know some myself and I bet you do too.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:13:25 AM EST
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Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

I think what you say is essentially true. Not that it is impossible for her supporters to peel away, but it will take something stronger than this Bosnian flap to do her damage amongst her base. In the primary that's not fatal because her base is numerous enough to have gotten her this far.

If, on the other hand, she makes it to the GE it could be a different story. The CW on Clinton is that her style of win will be a 50 +1 victory. Polls usually show she has very firm support up to about 48 percent or so of the GE electorate after that it will be an all out battle for that very narrow but very crucial strip of ground in the middle.

In some sense we are seeing that sort of trench warfare right now in the primary. It's going to be more of the same with Hillary in the GE. Somehow -- and this is something we haven't really seen her do yet -- she will have to win over a few of those votes from McCain. Thus, these kind of character issues could again get a lot of play in the GE and prevent fickle swing voters from going her way.


by tessellated on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:36:42 AM EST
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OTOH (none / 0)

Obama's style of win is a 50 + 1 victory.
Oh - he projects just the opposite, but his hatemongering and race-baiting demonstrates his deception.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:55:25 AM EST
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Re: OTOH (none / 0)

Barack Obama is not a hate mongering person!  You are missing something major if in fact that is what you see and  believe.  Unless your comment is snark, then I'm sorry, but I am really sick and disgusted at what Hillary's people like Mark Penn, are up to.  So troll rate me for being a true dem.  Do you wanna talk about Bosnia?  Or, NAFTA?  Or trying to steal the nomonation b/c it can't be won outright?  Get real and change your name because it just doesn't fit!


by yowsta1 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:26:13 PM EST
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"Since the majority of people don't..." (none / 0)

"Since the majority of people don't expect her to be honest and trustworthy and yet people are supporting her anyway, I guess it won't hurt her among her supporters." EXACTLY!!! Plus, as evidenced in EVERY category that matters for this nomination (delegates, popular vote, states won, fundraising, the far larger uncommitted super dels endorsing her, etc.) she has FAR LESS support and chances of electability than Obama. So why worry about losing any of her existing supporters? That much smaller number than Obama's won't get her elected anyway, so be happy! =)


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:09:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

So the response from the Hillary supportes is "yeah, we already know she is a liar". That seems like an odd defense of he Tuzla deception.


by commoncents on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:00:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

liar (none / 0)

is not a word to be bandied about so casually!

Your candidate has his own honesty issues (notice how I do not invoke the L word).  That is a bigger problem for him... since his supporters (such as yourself) do not think he has any honesty issues !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:31:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

And I have my own radar screen...which you can find in my diary from yesterday

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/23/1523 9/3399


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:55:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um, this is about Clinton and Tuzla. (none / 0)

Yeah, I read that with considerable interest and I appreciated a diary posted with significant content which wasn't just a rehash of media spin or a subjective rant, thanks.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:58:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bob - you're correct (none / 0)

For an entire year, Obama LIED about his relationship with Rezko and refused to meet with Chicago reporters until most of the primaries were over and his name appeared in court documents in Rezko's trial.

This time last year, Obama claimed he "barely knew the man."
Now we know that SEN. Obama turned to Rezko for personal financial assistance even knowing he was the target of a federal investigation.

Now we know for months Obama allowed his constituents to live with no heat in rundown housing owned by his big donor - Rezko.

Now we know the media concealed other negative info about Obama until after the primaries were almost over.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:25:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bob - you're correct (2.00 / 0)

What personal financial help did Obama get from Rezko? None. He got real estate advice on a house he was buying (for fair market value).

How could Obama allow people to live in unheated buildings if he didn't know about it? If complaints were made, they were made to the local alderman's office, and the alderman is who allowed people to live in unheated buildings.

There are plenty of legitimate things to accuse Obama of without resorting to lies, half-truths, and innuendos. Why don't you take issue with his healthcare policy? His Iraq War policy?


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:38:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

source? (none / 0)

Obama turned to Rezko for personal financial assistance
I would like to see a source for this. A real source, not the Mooney Times or a SusanHu diary. As far as I can tell, it's a lie - just like Hillary's "Tuzla Tall Tale".

Your other comments are just ludicrous. As a Senator, Obama could not look after these building issue claims, as he would have been in Springfield (or DC) most of the time.

by power of truth on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:25:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: source? (2.00 / 0)

You won't get a source. Her supporters throw this Rezko stuff out, get challenged, then the thread dies. But they keep throwing it out, hoping something sticks. Greenwald summed it up the best:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2 008/03/05/rezko/index.html


by grover738 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 02:44:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 0)

Yeah. She's been shot at so many times that she mixed them up.

What's awesome is that Rezko is the only name you've got when Clinton has a dozen criminal donors.

What's wrong with what he heard in church? You some sort of American flag on your truck unthinking "patriot" or something?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:55:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Equate (2.00 / 0)

Guilt by association with

a bare faced,
prepared speech
which is a blatant lie
spoken by a candidate for nomination to the US Presidency

She's not lying about having created the internet
But about the worst conflict in Europe since world war II. 200,000 people dead in that conflict.

And she arrives, when the war is over, far from the front line (Tuzla is NOT Sarajevo) and makes a mock show of her bravery to garner more votes.

The more I think ab


by brit on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:58:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Cut off in my prime (2.00 / 0)

What I was going to say...

The more I think about this, the worse it gets. At least from my point of view over the Atlantic.


by brit on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The FACT that keeps getting left out (2.00 / 1)

is that Clinton visited, by helicopter, two FRONT-LINE posts, that same day she landed at Task Force Eagle HQ in Tuzla.  So far as either of us knows, one of those landings is the one she remembers.  There are no films of those landings.


by Trickster on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:27:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She remembers now... (2.00 / 0)

...stopping for the girl. And what do you mean Front Line posts? The war was over. NATO troops had occupied Bosnia. Jesh. This is recent history. 200,00 people died. Somebody better remember this properly


by brit on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:30:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The FACT that keeps getting left out (2.00 / 1)

So her life was in mortal danger from sniper fire and she can't remember if she was in a helicopter or a plane?


by furiousxgeorge on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:33:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

CBS dealth with that (2.00 / 3)

Cheryl Atkisson's CBS report dealt with the two other base landings and said she came under no sniper fire there either.

Look, it didn't happen. And she didn't misspeak because this was a planned remark. She should just say she was embellishing like old warriors tend to do and hope that the media laughs it off with her. She needs to stop digging.


by elrod on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:59:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CBS dealth with that (2.00 / 1)

Yeah... The reporter that was with her the whole time said there was never any fire.

Next excuse.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:10:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Trickster-HRC's camp ALREADY apologized. (2.00 / 0)

YOU can keep trying to spin HRC's fabricated tall tale of fraudulent  bravery, but HRC's camp is already "trying" to sweep this under the rug with their acknowledgment. Maybe you should stop trying to look for an "angle" out for HRC here, as it is obvious that there are no angles and HRC was in the direct line of sight and crosshairs of the political opportunist sniper and she caught this one right between the eyes... of course, WE'RE not gonna let this go that easily! ;)


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:17:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

She was very specific (2.00 / 0)

Her statements weren't vague.  They were very specific.  Here's the transcript on her official website.

I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That's where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base. But it was a moment of great pride for me to visit our troops, not only in our main base as Tuzla, but also at two outposts where they were serving in so many capacities to deactivate and remove landmines, to hunt and seek out those who had not complied with the Dayton Accords and put down their arms, and to build relationships with the people that might lead to a peace for them and their children.


I - President Clinton had already been there at a more dangerous time.  She specifically claimed they sent her because it was too dangerous to send her husband.  That was a lie.

II- She made specific claims about the landing, the lack of greeting ceremony and running to her car to avoid sniper fire.  That was a lie.

III- When challenged on this after her speach (since her account had been called false before by Sinbad of all people)

Just after the speech, Clinton reaffirmed the account of running from the plane to the cars when she was asked about it during a news conference. She said was moved into the cockpit of the C-17 cargo plane as they were flying into Tuzla Air Base.

"Everyone else was told to sit on their bulletproof vests," Clinton said. "And we came in, in an evasive maneuver. ... There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened."


She specifically spoke of the C-17, not a helicopter.  


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:02:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

DTaylor... (none / 0)

Ya its that she has lied about so many things that she doesn't always remember the truth clearly...

A Problem Obama doesn't have.

Seems she forgot how much Peter Paul gave her...

Seems she forgot that the church looks down on adultery, and since it is ok to convict Obama using guilt by association, then obviously Hillary is an adulterer being married to one of the most famous in American history...


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:48:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If you were dodging sniper fire would you (2.00 / 0)

ever forget it?  Wouldn't it stand out as a huge traumatic moment in your life?

The fact that she wasn't dodging sniper fire and this was just a meet and greet would be easy to get mixed in with other photo-ops, etc.  But a harrowing tale with bullets flying does not just pop out of one's memory in its place.

This was a whopper and you can't spin it away.  Her campaign thought it would slip by but they didn't count on the magic of UTube.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:15:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If snipers are firing at you - you remember (none / 0)

If snipers never fired at you - how could one "misspeak" -

Now if Hillary had snipers firing at her many times I could see her mis-remembering.  

But it never happened - made up from whole cloth.  
Its a big problem for her


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:42:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Diaried earlier (2.00 / 0)

Please take this down.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:11:39 PM EST

This is an analysis of the events. (2.00 / 7)

Not another recitation of the events.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:12:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She did not mispeak (2.00 / 2)

Here is the cached file from the campaign website to show that these were PREPARED SCRIPTED REMARKS

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:ruj YQd5MAj0J:www.hillaryclinton.com/news/sp eech/view/%3Fid%3D6553+%22I+remember+lan ding+under+sniper+fire.%22+%2B+%22hillar yclinton.com%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&am p;cd=2&gl=us.


by brit on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:05:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Diaried earlier (1.83 / 6)

Yeah - this shows Hillary to be a serial liar. Gotta get this outta here fast.


by Shiloh on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:44:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Diaried earlier (2.00 / 6)

Apply that same standard to the Wright and Rezko diaries, and you just might have a deal.


by rfahey22 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:11:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Diaried earlier (none / 0)

Hillary would set women back 10-15 years.  She is NOT the RIGHT woman president.


by gabbie on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 02:02:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 1)

Considering that no diary with this issue has yet made the recommended list, I think it's worth having this one up.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:13:42 PM EST

Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 5)

"The Honesty Gap!"

That is the Clinton Killer, right there!


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:14:45 PM EST

She could make a speech about being being a liar (none / 0)

and how liars have have been unfairly discriminated against throughout American History.

{;~P)


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:48:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What a serial liar she is. (1.75 / 4)


by bigdcdem on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:15:50 PM EST

No, she's not. (1.50 / 2)


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:18:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, she's not. (none / 0)

thank you for that.  This does fall into the category of "tall tale", not serial liar, and I thank you for that.


by FarWest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:30:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What a serial liar she is. (none / 0)

A pathological liar is what HRC is.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:21:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

your comment is over the top (none / 0)

It seems Hate is consuming your objectivity - and civility.
Apparently, you believe spewing Hillary-hate will somehow drive voters and SDs to Obama.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:04:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla (1.25 / 8)

Isnt this like the 10th thread about this nonsense.  As i have written i liked BO hacks like you a lot better when you are going around screem the "Clinton's are Racist, Racist, Racist".  It is sad that BO is getting killed on the Wright thing but you should take it out on FOX.

Funny how BO and his crowd were a new political movement that will change politics as we know it and it turns out you all are nothing but HACKS going around accussing HRC of being a lair.  Well last time i checked BO unfavorables were great than 50%.  I will tell you everyone sees that he (BO)and you are going but smear artest and hacks.

WORD.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:16:14 PM EST

Re: Tuzla (2.00 / 1)

BTW: The word is spelled liar.  lair is where a lion lives.

And why not actually discuss this rather than revert to name-calling?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:19:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla (2.00 / 2)

The unfavorable rating you mention is from a Rasmussen poll, which had Clinton losing Arkansas to McCain by 7 points and her own unfavorable rating at a rather unfavorable number.

I never called the Clintons racists, but I will call them a liar when they lie.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:20:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I was a Clinton fan... (none / 0)

...but Bill's autobiography gave me pause. For all the passion and engagement, there is a clear cut and almost psychological refusal to engage with unpleasant truths.


by brit on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

giusd... (none / 0)

"It is sad that BO is getting killed on the Wright thing"... Wright? Who's that? I haven't heard squat about that since BHO reigned that in with his speech last week. I couldn't care less about what the stupid FUX Nutwork News says about ANY Democrat either. "...you (BO crowd) all are nothing but HACKS going around accussing HRC of being a lair." No ones "accusing" HRC of being a liar, we're "saying" it outright. It helps us immensely that she's doing such a GREAT job of proving us right too through the use of that brand new, state of the art technology called... VIDEO!


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:30:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Weakness (1.40 / 5)

more overflow from the orange sewer .......


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:16:33 PM EST

Re: Weakness (2.00 / 7)

Would it be so beneath you to actually discuss something that was on many news stations today, was the subject of an article in the Washington Post last week, and that Hillary Clinton and her campaign responded to today by admitting she made errors in what she said?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:18:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weakness (1.83 / 6)

The orange sewer? Over there we are supporting the nominee.


by Shiloh on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:49:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weakness (2.00 / 1)

Hear, hear! PLUS, a legitimate democratic process too.


*VOTE DEMOCRAT! - HRC or BHO* Obama '08 - Full of reason / Hillary '08 - Full of treason (Gallup Poll, March 26 2008) / McCain '08 - Diaper's full of Bushit.
by VT COnQuest on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:33:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weakness (none / 0)

Legitimate?

When is Obama going to step forward and allow the legitimate vote that already took place in Florida (you know the one where all the Democratic candidates were on the ballot, so it was completely fair to them all) count?

Oh yeah, when hell freezes over, that's when.  He's completely 'up' for disenfranchising those voters.  We must be 'typical white' persons to him, that must explain it.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:07:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weakness (none / 0)

The nominee has yet to be determined.  Over 'there', the support is for only one person.

I remember completely the 'I'll vote for McCain or not at all' meme that was widely spewed there when Clinton was still the frontrunner and Obama was behind.

Funny how folks who opined about it being a matter of personal 'ethics' suddenly have nothing good to say about anyone who doesn't kiss a particular candidate's ring.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:02:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Big (2.00 / 8)

And there will be more witnesses and details to come out in coming days.

For instance, as Talking Points Memo points out:

"Sen. Clinton has said on a number of occasions that she was "the first, you know, high- profile American to go into Bosnia after the peace accords were signed because we wanted to show that the United States was 100 percent behind the agreement."

According to some quick research we did, it turns out that Madeleine Albright, then UN Ambassador, then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs John Shalikashvili, then-Sec Def Bill Perry, various members of Congress and President Clinton himself had all visited Tuzla a few months earlier."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:16:41 PM EST

Re: Tuzla (1.60 / 5)

And the sad thing is FOX did this same smear to Al Gore and now democrats are using it on other democrats.

By posting shit like this you are just pegging for someone to come back at BO for his very many shortcomings.  Really you should be ashamed of yourself but people like you really have no shame.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:19:36 PM EST

This is the top story on AP and on CBS. (2.00 / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:20:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the top story on AP and on CBS. (1.12 / 8)

Did kos send you here?  Did he email you.  Is this some plan to try to get Rev Wright off the news.  Are you some kind of democratic troll who belongs to a group that puts up alomst the identical thread every hour.

lets talk about a Michelle Obama who can barely afford private school and music classes for her kids.  i am sure all those working class voters feel her pain.  It must be rough living in their 1.6 million dollar house and sending her kids to private school.  Well at least she is finally Proud to be an american.  

OK now i have snarked let me say this.  The more BO and his crowd go negative on HRC the more his favorability numbers will go down as well.  And come on he has very little other to present other than i am really good looking and popular.  Another couple of weeks of BO throwing mud and his unfavorables will be in the 60's.  I know you think you are help you candidate but if you could see how you are really hurting BO chances in nov maybe you could stop this internet stalking.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:35:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the top story on AP and on CBS. (2.00 / 3)

lol, Hillary Clinton had enough money to loan her campaign $5 million, so when you complain that Obama has a house worth $1 million, that seems so disengenious.


by TheNewMexican on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:50:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't forget... (2.00 / 1)

Some of that Clinton loan money is radioactive.  But we'll have to wait for the Clinton tax returns to know the truth.  Or else we'll have to use a geiger counter.  One or the other.


by Dumbo on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:05:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your metallic lid is strapped too tightly (none / 0)

... to your noggin.

It's the top story on the AP right now, among other places.


by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:33:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the top story on AP and on CBS. (none / 0)

where did chelsea go to school? oh yeah - sidwell friends. i believe that's one of the three most expensive private schools in dc.

how much money do the clintons have? how much is their house worth? or is it houses? how much money have they made in the past 5 years? who contributed to their library?

you can't answer that? why not? oh yeah, because the clintons don't want you to know.

hmm.


by kapow on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:35:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla (2.00 / 4)

This isn't Fox pushing this story. I don't even know if Fox is reporting it. This is being pushed by CBS, ABC, NBC, Washington Post, CNN, Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia Daily News, New York Times, and every other mainstream media outlet.

A week after HRC supporters gleefully quoted Charles Krauthammer and NewsMax for the "definitive" interpretation of Jeremiah Wright, they now complain that the media is going too harsh in catching Hillary Clinton "misspeak" on video.


by elrod on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:22:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla (2.00 / 4)

In what way is this a smear?

A smear is a story that isn't true.

Hillary Clinton has already ADMITTED that she didn't tell the story correctly.   If she can do that, however grudgingly, why can't you?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:23:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuzla (2.00 / 0)

Obviously, it's not a smear.  You'll likely never get an admission from anyone here that, at best, she's stretched the truth a bit on the Tuzla landing.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:46:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Untrue. (none / 0)


UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

   I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcomin