MIsleading Democrats? Clinton/Obama support crossover.

by canadian gal, Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:18:03 PM EST

I watched Meet the Press yesterday and I was struck by some comments made by the panel with regard to crossover support.  Specifically they were parroting the BO claim that HRC supporters would support him, but not vice versa.  Am I missing something?  The most recent data that I seem to have seen does not support this - in fact - I believe its the reverse.

"According to Mississippi exit polls, 60 percent of Clinton voters say the New York senator should not make Obama her running mate, while only 34 percent say she should."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/03/11/exit-polls-clinton-voters-say-no -to-obama-for-vp/

"On several counts, Obama voters were more charitable toward Clinton than vice versa:

-58% of Obama voters said he should pick Clinton for vice president if he wins the nomination; 38% of Clinton voters said she should pick Obama as her running mate if she wins.

-72% percent of Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins the nomination. 57%t of Obama voters would be dissatisfied with Clinton.

_ 44% of Obama voters said Clinton has offered clear and detailed plans to solve the country's problems. Only 23% of Clinton voters said that about Obama."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102194. html

"In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%.  She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.
In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote."
Sixty percent of Obama voters say they'll go for Clinton should she win the nomination, with 20% opting for McCain, and three percent saying they won't vote.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/keystone-democr.html

Hhmm...  What is going to happen?




Tags: Clinton, Obama, crossover, support, media (all tags)

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Re: MIsleading Democrats? Clinton/Obama support c (2.00 / 1)

Well, if they are to be believed, those numbers just lead me to believe that HRC supporters are mote bitter than Obama supporters.

Probably because their candidate is losing, I would think.

Except for Mississippi, where we know pretty well what is going on there...


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:22:19 PM EST

Racism not only in MS (none / 0)

If you think racism is exclusive to Mississippi then you are mistaken.  Look at the results from Ohio and the current polls in PA.  Obama probably can't win Ohio or possibly Pennsylvania in a general election.


by karajan72 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:38:16 PM EST

Re: MIsleading Democrats? Clinton/Obama support c (none / 0)

that's precisely my point - irrelevant of the reasoning, why is the media misleading democrats?  clearly polls are showing that HRC supporters will NOT support BO.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:46:24 PM EST

Re: MIsleading Democrats? Clinton/Obama support c (2.00 / 1)

Here's a clue: The media especiall NBC, MESSNBC are shills for Obama. Tweety always seem to have anti-clinton guests on his show, Noonan, Downd, Robinson etc

All of the polling that I've seen from the Pew research poll, more clinton supporters say they won't vote for Obama, sit out the election or vote for McCain than Obama supporters.


by shark on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:37:17 PM EST
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I'm not sure thta's something we should be proud (none / 0)

of as democrats.

I'm not saying you are.

All I'm saying is we need to get out of Iraq, our troops are counting on us!

We need to get health insurance for all americans who can't afford it, they are counting on us!

These things are more important than our feelings over who is the best for the position.


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:42:09 PM EST
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Well, I'm really glad we are aware of this (none / 0)

because we will need to bring the HRC supporters back into the fold if Obama is the nominee.

You're right, we shouldn't be ignoring this, we shouldn't be working to reverse it.

I understand everyone is emotional over this contest, but either will be Much better than McCain.


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:44:51 PM EST
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Debunking BO Talking points (2.00 / 2)

I have written about this here:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/21/2010 40/276

The upshot of my research, based on data rather than talking points, is this:

1.  Both candidates have an equal ability to draw indepdent voters, although they perhaps draw a different kind of independent voter.

2.  The myth of a Generation Obama is apparently exactly that: a myth.  Hillary actually has a much stronger ability to draw support from people who are otherwise not planning to vote.  On the other hand, most of Barack's support is transferrable to Hillary.

I know this sounds like crazy talk for those of us living in the blogosphere.  But data is showing that these long-accepted BO talking points do not seem to have any empircal basis.

What does have empircal basis is this: the party is about 50/50 on these two candidates, and neither has been able to emerge as a clear, breakaway choice in voters' minds.


by bobbank on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:07:43 PM EST

this diary gives me great pause. (none / 0)

Are you encouraging people to declare that they won't vote for the other side so that the dem. leadership will go with the candidate that alienates the fewest voters?

If so, that's very divisive of you, and I won't fall for it.

I will be voting for Clinton if she is the nominee

And, I reject and denounce your divisive tactics


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:38:38 PM EST

Re: this diary gives me great pause. (none / 0)

i am not encouraging anything of the sort....  let me say first - i am canadian and cannot vote - but my preference of candidate is HRC.  

what i am suggesting in this diary is that the media seems to be selective in their reporting - very irresponsible.  

just yesterday on meet the press - peggy noonan and on john meacham both unequivocally claimed  that HRC supporters would go to BO.  there was no deabate, no questioning - it was stated as fact....  when in reality, the evidence does not support those claims.

i applaud your support if HRC is the candidate and wished that many would follow your example not matter who wins - however since this seemingly has become a campaign of spin - from all sides - its important to deal with fact - not a specific campaigns talking points which in this case is BO's.

but thanks for accusations and your comments!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:26:57 PM EST
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I watched that. (none / 0)

It is one thing to say HRC supporters would support BHO, but to use that as a reason to nominate a candidate is just plain wrong. Hillary supporters are more reaonable, so lets just bend to the will of the unreasonable. Great logic.
by Al Depansu on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:05:21 PM EST


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