New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket

Last year in an interview with MyDD, John Kerry indicated that John McCain's staff had approached his campaign about joining the Democratic ticket in 2004. Take a look and a listen:


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Jonathan Singer: There's a story in The Hill, I think on Tuesday, by Bob Cusack on the front page of the paper talking about how John McCain's people -- John Weaver -- had approached Tom Daschle and a New York Congressman, I don't remember his name, about switching parties. And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what your discussions were with him in 2004, how far it went, who approached whom... if there was any "there" there.

John Kerry: I don't know all the details of it. I know that Tom, from a conversation with him, was in conversation with a number of Republicans back then. It doesn't surprise me completely because his people similarly approached me to engage in a discussion about his potentially being on the ticket as Vice President. So his people were active -- let's put it that way.

Singer: Okay. And just to confirm, you said it, but this is something they approached you rather than...

Kerry: Absolutely correct. John Weaver of his shop... [JK aswers phone]

Nearly one year later, The New York Times has done some more digging into the story. Here's Elisabeth Bumiller:

But less than three years [after having been in talks of joining the Senate Democratic caucus in 2001], Mr. McCain was once again in talks with the Democrats, this time over whether he would be Mr. Kerry's running mate. In an interview with a blog last year, Mr. Kerry said that the initial idea had come from Mr. McCain's side, as had happened in 2001.

Mr. Kerry, reacting to reports in The Hill newspaper last year about Mr. Weaver's 2001 approach to Mr. Downey, said he saw a pattern. "It doesn't surprise me completely because his people similarly approached me to engage in a discussion about his potentially being on the ticket as vice president," Mr. Kerry told Jonathan Singer of MyDD.com, a prominent liberal blog, in remarks that are available in an audio version online and that Mr. Kerry's staff said last week were accurate. "So his people were active -- let's put it that way."

Two former Kerry strategists said last week that Mr. Weaver went to Mr. Kerry's house in Georgetown a short time after Mr. Kerry won the Democratic nomination in March and asked that Mr. Kerry consider Mr. McCain as his running mate. (Mr. Weaver said in his e-mail message that the idea had come from Mr. Kerry.) Whatever the case, both sides say that Mr. Kerry was so enthusiastic about the notion that he relentlessly pursued Mr. McCain, even to the point of offering him a large part of the president's national security responsibilities.

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Mr. Kerry declined last week to discuss his conversations with Mr. McCain, but three former Kerry strategists said that Mr. McCain had not immediately dismissed the notion of sharing the Democratic ticket. “McCain did not flat-out say no, regardless of what he’s saying now,” said one strategist who asked not to be named. “He was interested in this discussion.”

What comes out of Bumiller's reporting is a partial confirmation of what Kerry told MyDD last year, at the least, as well as a clearer picture of just what happened between McCain's people and Kerry's people in the spring of 2004.

There is agreement between both McCain's people and Kerry's people that Weaver, McCain's right hand man at the time, went to Kerry's house to talk about the possibility of a Kerry-McCain ticket. There is agreement, too, that McCain's team did not dismiss out of hand the possibility of such a ticket (Weaver would not have gone to Kerry's house for such a discussion had such a possibility already been shot down by his boss). Where there remains disagreement is over who instigated the conversations. But as I wrote earlier this month, taking a look at the motives and interests of both sides, one can begin to draw some conclusions.

Last April, Kerry had nothing to gain by lying about his interactions with McCain. He wasn't running for President at the time and did not seek out a forum in which to spread the news (it was prompted by a question he presumably had not been asked in some time). On the other hand, McCain, who denied Kerry's contention, had everything to gain by lying about the interaction between his people and Kerry's people -- and still does. Notice that today McCain did nothing to deny the conversations, or even to deny that it was he who reached out to Kerry in 2004.

Anyway, it's nice to see the establishment media picking up on this story (particularly after I wondered on this site as to whether they would). It's a pretty interesting and thorough read, going back through a couple key instances in which McCain apparently tried to leave his party. Take a look through the whole thing if you're interested.



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Off topic (2.00 / 3)

Off topic and I don't care. How do you embed on image in a diary on this site? You would think it would be in the FAQs, but it isn't. Why not?
From those who have not, everything will be taken, even the little that they have. -Matthew 13:12
by Jacob Freeze on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:47:24 PM EST

Re: Off topic (2.00 / 1)

Your image has to be hosted somewhere like Photobucket. Then you just copy and paste the source code. Delete everything before: < img src=  and then anything after the: alt="Photobucket" >

The spaces are intentional so this will post here.

Viola!


by Fleaflicker on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:31:34 AM EST
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Thanks Fleaflicker (none / 0)

I tried all sorts of search terms on Google and got nothing! Thanks for replying!
From those who have not, everything will be taken, even the little that they have. -Matthew 13:12
by Jacob Freeze on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:58:26 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

Why the heck didn't Kerry take McCain up on his offer?  That ticket would have won in 2004!


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:53:15 PM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

McCain decided that it wouldn't work out in the end as he'd have no real path to the presidency. Democrats wouldn't nominate him (he'd still be a republican and real democrats would run and take him down) and republicans who already didn't like him to begin with would never take him back after having ran on the democratic ticket to defeat the incumbant  republican president.


by Quinton on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:50:50 AM EST
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well he's sure as hell not going to be president (none / 0)

now!

should've taken the vp spot when he had the chance


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:01:22 AM EST
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Also, less than a month later... (none / 0)

The heavens opened and rained gold down on McCain - in the form of Abramoff's Greenberg-Traurig emails - many of which implicated dozens of Senators, Congressmen and Bush Administration officials, all the way up to Rove himself.  McCain had subpoenaed the emails in early March, when he called for the Abramoff hearings in the Senate Indian Affairs Committee the week after the story broke in the WaPo; however, until the emails arrived on his desk in mid-April, he had no idea that he was in possession of enough blackmail material to demand the Republican nomination in 2008.  Heck, who needed to be VP under Kerry when you could be king!

I wouldn't be surprised if McCain approached Kerry after calling for the Abramoff hearings, thinking he would be persona non grata in the GOP.  But almost immediately after seeing the treasure in the Abramoff files, he sent Weaver on a second mission - to meet in mid-May with Karl Rove.  Three weeks later, McCain was campaigning with Bush, and the Abramoff hearing were postponed until further notice.

Yes, I keep beating this dead horse, but it's amazing how it fits more and more with all the new details which come out over time.  If only Kerry paid attention to our trivial little Indian committee, he'd probably be President today.


by MBW on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:07:42 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

It never ceases to amaze me why Dems fear McCain.
The 4 more years of Bush talk IS being repeated in the media...
For many Rebubs immigration is still an issues.
During the primary he was touted as liberal.
stuff like this will only build.

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:59:34 PM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

McCain's wrong on a great many issues, but he's charming and funny and the media loves him.  He's got an undeserved reputation for being a maverick, and a lot of people like him for it.

He's not a likely winner come November, but he's got a shot at it.


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by juliewolf on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:05:48 AM EST
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as to motive (none / 0)

Kerry is no fool.

Kerry knew at the time of the interview last year that McCain was running for the GOP nomination. Kerry also could have thought, as most anyone did at the time, that McCain would be the one of the strongest GOP nominees the Dems might face and that it would hurt McCain's chances if word was spread that McCain was a traitor to his party.

That said, evidence of the McCain camp's motives to lie/distort this is also strong.

I only comment to temper your statement that, "Kerry had nothing to gain by lying . . . ."

Assuming arguendo that Kerry's personal goals are tied to the success of the Democratic party, he might well have had something to gain.


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by demondeac on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:04:29 AM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (1.00 / 0)

Maybe the ticket didn't happen because Kerry suddenly realized McCain had yet to pass the commander in chief threshold.

Everybody knows you can't be POTUS until you cross it.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:12:05 AM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (1.66 / 3)

It only took 11 comments before some idiot made an HRC/BHO reference...congrats.  Troll rated for stupidity.


by Rockville Liberal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:56:53 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

Try having a sense of humor. It makes life so much easier.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:08:04 PM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

If I missed the subtle sarcasm and delicate wit of the post, my apologies.  I took the post at face value...and btw, I have a sense of humor, I mean, I read diaries on this site don't I?


by Rockville Liberal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:17:40 PM EST
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Don't see how this hurts him now (none / 0)

Now that McCain has won the GOP nomination, this story helps him w/ Indies and moderate Dems.  Perhaps it hurts him w/ the GOP base, but what are they going to do: vote for the other party b/c McCain almost joined the other party?


by khassani on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:58:27 AM EST

I think it's just embarrassing, it demoralizes (none / 0)

the Republicans, who are already demoralized because of Bush


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:03:35 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

Jonathan - Congratulations on the recognition. It's a great story and I'm glad to see it filtering into the MSM. Not that anything could divorce them of the notion that McCain is impossible of anything but pure, 100% Straight-Talk®.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:05:37 AM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

McCain's best asset is his independent approach to getting things done in D.C.  His biggest negative is the war that just cost the lives of 4,000 brave U.S soldiers.  God bless them and their families.  McCain will be hard to beat simply because swing states like Penn and Florida seem to be right up McCain's alley and are not your normal bible belt religious right red states. Lets be honest, the fact that he approached Kerry back in 04 does NOT hurt him at all.  Remember the Republicans are going to vote for him regardless and we would be better off running against a Mitt Romney or Huckabee type.  Ultimately are only hope is that Americans realize we cannot continue to fund the War and it's time to vote Dem regardless of race or gender.  Finally I think John Edwards would beat McCain going away in a general.


by nzubechukwu on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:34:20 AM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

Edwards would beat all comers in the general.


by Quinton on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:47:51 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (1.00 / 1)

Cute article. When do we get to read the one about Goldwater Girl Hillary Rodham jumping ship to join the McCain ticket?

Lord knows she seems to be running for that job these days.


by crankydonkey on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:16:29 AM EST

what? that's not going to happen (none / 0)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:05:28 AM EST
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Lame... (none / 0)

Another baseless cheap shot against Senator Clinton courtesy of a cranky ass.  


by DaTruth on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:41:31 AM EST
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Triangulatin' Billary (1.00 / 4)

This story is absolutely amazing. Bill Clinton repealed one of the cornerstones of American banking law, and then sent the pen he used to sign the legislation to banker Sandy Weill, who then hired Clinton's Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to be his chief lieutenant. If you'd like to know why the big money supports the Clintons, here's why (see link below)

http://www.progressivehistorians.com/200 7/11/bill-clintons-role-in-mortgage-cris is.html


by global yokel on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:48:53 AM EST

Troll-rated because it's completely off-topic (none / 0)

As is the comment below this one.


by Shawn on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 03:25:36 AM EST
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Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi mosaics! (1.33 / 3)

Everyone must go here and look at the mosaics of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.  They look just like Bush did on his mosaic using the faces of the fallen to make their faces of this blasted WAR!!!!  4,000 and counting!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/


by mcctx on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:54:07 AM EST

Posting images on MyDD (2.00 / 1)

I'm still trying to figure out how to post an image in a diary on MyDD. Help?
From those who have not, everything will be taken, even the little that they have. -Matthew 13:12
by Jacob Freeze on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:26:57 AM EST

Re: Posting images on MyDD (none / 0)

Why bother?  This place has turned into a partisan feeding frenzy...oh, and don't use logic, you will just upset the animals.


by Rockville Liberal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:59:32 AM EST
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I'll be the contrarian here... (none / 0)

Why does this story help the Democratic nominee?  It legitimizes McCain as someone Dems can vote for (thanks, Kerry), and Republicans who don't necessarily like him will hold their noses and pull his lever.  I'm not sure this is helpful to the cause here.  Just sayin...


by DaTruth on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:44:28 AM EST

Re: I'll be the contrarian here... (none / 0)

This is more of a shot at GOP base than anything else.  It insinuates that he (McCain) doesn't really believe in what they believe in and, to a certain extent, confirms the thing that they all fear.  That he is really a Rep In Name Only and will turn his back on them as soon as they are elected.  The fruits of that strategy could be along the lines of some of them voting Democrat simply because the prefer the old adage of "The Devil They Know Is Better Than The Devil They Don't".


by Rockville Liberal on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:02:26 AM EST
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The real story is about Kerry's judgement (none / 0)

Did he really consider bringing the warmonger McCain on his ticket? If yes, then he is just another Liebermann.


by ann0nymous on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:48:57 AM EST

Re: The real story is about Kerry's judgement (none / 0)

i'm not sure that's fair comment; aside from boosting his name rec and creating a public narrative for himself, there was almost no benefit for McCain.

it would have been a matter of grooming some other Dem presumptive(s) in the public eye and making sure McCain remained in the shadows. and, as someone else mentioned above, he'd end up burning as many bridges as he builds.

he'd probably have to actually become a Dem to make a hypothetical shot at the Office work.


by prog au on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:08:09 AM EST
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Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

it could be seen as a boon to his moderate-indy cred, but it could also be used to paint a picture of the flip-flopping opportunistic chameleon political archetype.

it's just a matter of who gets the initiative and how it's used.


by prog au on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:00:46 AM EST

Re: New York Times on the Kerry-McCain Ticket (none / 0)

If Kerry was really offering McCain  the national security portfolio as a lure to join his ticket THAT does not look good as he campaigns for Obama against McCain - at least, I think.


by NYMARJ on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:35:07 AM EST


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