The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich

While the competition has been keen at the New York Times to secure the mantle as the most virulent Hillary hater, Frank Rich is in a class by himself. No other columnist now writing for the "Gray Lady" is more intellectually dishonest and lacking in basic integrity than Frank Rich, the bloviating former theater critic turned professional Hillary basher. Maureen Dowd? Alternating between catty and crazy, Dowd's nose is out of joint apparently because Hillary looks better in boots. How about Bob Herbert? You can't fault an African American who wants to give a brother a break and devotes his time to peddling moralizing conventional wisdom and cheer leading like there's no tomorrow for Obama. And William Kristol and David Brooks? They are just neocon party-liners. (Only one among the NY Times line up ever writes anything complimentary about Hillary-Paul Krugman, who has a day job at Princeton as an economist, actually knows something, and let's the chips fall where they may.)

Week after week, Rich slings the mud at Hillary, oblivious to facts. Stunning but not surprising given his track record. He did the same thing to Al Gore-sliming the 2000 Democratic nominee as a liar and fraud. Rich was among the useful idiots of the press corps aiding and abetting the election of George W. Bush. But his attacks on Hillary have the smell of desperation.

Rich, in his comic book style, portrays Hillary as the villain plotting against the adored black superhero. There's nothing evil she hasn't done or won't do. She's responsible for the Iraq war, not George W. Bush. BAM! She's the racist, even though it is Obama who has spent the last 20 years enabling and protecting his racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright. ZAP! Yes, after reading Rich, you can draw no other conclusion-Hillary's a low-life who can never measure up to the spotless Obama. KA-BOOM!

This week Rich warmed up by trashing Hillary's precise, thoughtful policy speech on how to deal with Iraq, comparing it unfavorably, of course, to Obama's immortal Gettysburg Address (wherein he lies about having known about Rev. Wright's hate mongering sermons and throws his grandmother under the bus). Here's Rich sliming Hillary and exalting Obama:

   Mrs. Clinton needn't have Mr. Obama's poetry or pearly oratorical tones to deliver a game-changing speech. She just needs the audacity of candor. Yet she seems incapable of revisiting her history on Iraq (or much else) with the directness that Mr. Obama brought to his reappraisal of his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Then Rich claims that Hillary is lying about her record on the Iraq war and that she was a liar about voting for the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Resolution in 2002 (along with the majority of Democratic senators) because she says that it was in fact what it was: not a declaration of preemptive war.

Of course, Rich conveniently ignores Obama's flip-flops on Iraq, going from opposing the war when he had no vote on the matter to supporting the Bush policy when he arrived in the Senate. And now he's Mr. Anti-war. It is enough to give your average pundit whiplash just trying to chart his varied positions. But not Frank Rich, he sees nothing but Hillary, but never in a favorable light.

And Rich, of course, doesn't ever describe Hillary's actual position at the time, delivered in her floor speech, that she favored letting the United Nations weapons inspectors finish their job and building an international coalition before any invasion. Of course, Rich doesn't want to cite her real stance because it would confound his hysterical posturing. Hillary's approach was against preemptive war--an approach that Bush did not follow. Bush did not listen to her. It was his war and his war alone.

But Rich's obvious falsehoods and hype aside, left me wondering: Where was this brave visionary in the run up to the war? Let's apply the same standard to Frank Rich that we say should be applied to Hillary. What was Rich writing at the time? Thanks to the archives of the New York Times, now online and easily available, I was surprised to discover that some writer named Frank Rich gave credence to Bush's claims about weapons of mass destruction, attacked the U.N. weapons inspectors, and misrepresented the positions of Democrats, including Hillary's, and questioned their patriotism.

On September 14, 2002, as Bush's marketing campaign for the war raged, just a week after the New York Times published its bogus front page story written by Judith Miller about WMD, Frank Rich wrote: "That Iraq is `a grave and gathering danger,' as the president also said, is not in doubt."

On October 12, 2002, the day after the Senate vote on the authorization, Frank Rich wrote:

   "But even so, the Democratic leaders never united around a substantive alternative vision to the administration's pre-emptive war against the thug of Baghdad. That isn't patriotism, it's abdication."

Oh? In fact, Hillary and other Democratic senators offered different positions from Bush. But Rich overlooks the facts while he rushes to smear their patriotism.

Finally, on December 7, 2002, in a column called "Pearl Harbor Day," Frank Rich staged a sneak attack on the U.N. and the weapons inspectors. He wrote:

   "A savage dictator is delivering a `full' accounting of his weapons arsenal that only a fool would take for fact, and a president of the United States is pretending (not very hard) to indulge this U.N. rigmarole while he calls up more reserves for the confrontation he seeks."

"U.N. rigmarole?" Who needs that stinking U.N.? Is Frank Rich really John Bolton without a shaggy mustache? Rich lambasted the inspectors, just beginning their job, as a bunch of clowns that no one who take seriously. He wrote:

   "In Iraq, there's a team of inspectors out of `H.M.S. Pinafore,' charged with a mission that is probably impossible and whose results will soon be disregarded by the relevant parties anyway."

The "relevant" party ignoring them was not just Bush. Judith Miller was not the only one in the employ of the New York Times who helped the Bush Administration make a public case for war. Frank Rich was an eager cheerleader. Rich also wrote in one of is columns:

   "We know Saddam Hussein is a thug and we want him gone."

Hey Frank? Ever heard the aphorism, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks?" You smeared Al Gore in 2000 and helped elect George W. Bush in 2000. You tarred leading Democrats, like Hillary, who pushed for a diplomatic solution in Iraq, as unpatriotic. You suppress and misrepresent Hillary's real position on the war. You ridiculed the U.N. and the weapons inspectors, who were doing a good job and helped whip up public sentiment to reject the peaceful solution to the Iraq threat. And you shilled like Judith Miller in warning Americans about the existence of Saddam Hussein's WMD.

Face it Frank. You are short on substance. You are careless with facts and historical events. And you are blinded by an irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. But at least you are consistent-you were wrong about Iraq and you are wrong about Hillary.



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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (1.50 / 4)

Rich is a big time Dick.  As i recall he wrote the same things about McGovern.  He was the only dem who could win and get us out of the war.  

david


by giusd on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:43:57 PM EST

No, he's right. (1.87 / 8)

That she has never given a forthright speech on Iraq is what can happen when your chief campaign strategist is a pollster. Focus groups no doubt say it would be hara-kiri for her to admit such a failing. But surely many Americans would have applauded her for confessing to mistakes and saying what she learned from them. As her husband could have told her, that's best done sooner rather than later.

It's too late now, and so the Democratic stars are rapidly aligning for disaster. Mrs. Clinton is no longer trying to overcome Mr. Obama's lead in the popular vote and among pledged delegates by making bold statements about Iraq or any other issue. Instead of enhancing her own case for the presidency, she's going to tear him down. As Adam Nagourney of The New York Times delicately put it last week, she is "looking for some development to shake confidence in Mr. Obama" so that she can win over superdelegates in covert 3 a.m. phone calls. If Mr. Wright doesn't do it, she'll seek another weapon. Mr. Obama, who is, after all, a politician and not a deity, could well respond in kind.

For Republicans, the prospect of marathon Democratic trench warfare is an Easter miracle. Saddled with the legacy of both Iraq and a cratering economy, the G.O.P. can only rejoice at its opponents' talent for self-destruction. The Republicans can also count on the help of a political press that, whatever its supposed tilt toward Mr. Obama, remains most benevolent toward John McCain.

Coincidentally, your sentence about Maureen Dowd is sexist, your commentary about patronizing, and you seem not to realize that, while you yelp about "Hillary haters", your descriptions of Obama make you an Obama hater.

So it's not that you have a problem with hate per se, you just believe that it needs to be judiciously applied to further your goal of the moment.

Alternating between catty and crazy, Dowd's nose is out of joint apparently because Hillary looks better in boots.

Stay classy.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:49:40 PM EST

Eh, typo (1.50 / 2)

"Commentary about" should read "commentary about Bob Herbert"


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:51:14 PM EST
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Your sock puppets love you at least (none / 0)


by Bill Keaton on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:57:00 PM EST
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Re: No, he's right.??? (2.00 / 1)

Wow. So you're blaming Hillary Clinton for Obama's spiritual mentor Wright?
How typical.
You probably sided with Rich when he assasinated Gore with the lie about Gore and Segal's Love Story.
Or Rich saying Giuliani was opposed to Iraq.
Rich is a known liar, with no shame - nor does he make corrections when called out on them.
by durendal on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:29:03 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 3)

You go Larr. Wonder how many more out there in the Media condemning Hillary for her vote and praising Obama for his "BRAVE" stand carried the water for the Admin on this war, Russert? Matthews? We can give Olberman half a break he was doing his part keeping us up to date on ESPN or whatever at that point.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:49:47 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 3)

A noun.

A verb.

And a 5 year old speech.

That's all he's got and as far as getting us OUT of Iraq, his former fp advisor said his 16 month plan was a "best case scenario" and McPeak said yesterday we could be there for 100 years.

Sorry bug when you look at the big picture Hillary's by far and away the anti-war candidate here.  She's got a plan and she'll stick to it.  No doubt about it..


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:12:42 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (1.83 / 6)

Alegre, I'm new here but I gather from others that you have a reputation for thoughtful, well-reasoned contributions here and (previously) at DailyKos. As such, I have to imagine that you know how ridiculous you sound when you suggest that all Obama has going for him is a slogan and a speech. We've got two impressive candidates, and when anyone -- whether they are pro-Obama or pro-Clinton -- tries to paint either candidate as a false choice, it's offensive, lazy and detrimental to the Democratic party. Grow up.

Regarding which candidate has the best plan for Iraq, the Clinton campaign was recently asked if their plan was also a "best case scenario" that could be affected by changes on the ground or advice from military leaders, and they conceded that yes, her plan was also subject to change.


by jdusek on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:47:09 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 3)

how ridiculous you sound when you suggest that all Obama has going for him is a slogan and a speech.

That's true.  It's not his speech or slogans, they'e David Axelrod's who uses them over and over for different candidates that fit "his words" as he claims.  

clients, John Edwards, chris dodd, Tammy Duckworth, Deval Patrick and now Barack Obama.

An empty vessel that is symbolic, definitely.


by LindaSFNM on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:58:22 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 3)

Linda, you showed that you are also capable of the same lazy, offensive posturing when you started off a diary yesterday with this gem:

So, does Senator Obama think he can try to whine and lie his way in to the Presidency because he has nothing else to offer?

It's funny, I have no problem looking past all the things I dislike about Clinton and discussing her many obvious strengths. Too bad that you and others are so insecure about your candidate that have to resort to painting Obama as a fraud.

Honestly, your pro-Clinton talk would be much more persuasive if you argued that she was the better candidate in spite of Obama's strengths. But when you say that Obama is just a vapid crybaby with nothing to offer, it makes Hillary look pretty bad for losing to this guy.


by jdusek on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:34:29 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 1)

BHO has had the same philosophy and approach ever since he entered politics, it is his, not his advisor's.

In a 1995 profile in The Chicago Reader, BHO said, "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"

HRC thinks that she just found her voice after losing in Iowa.  That is touching on a personal level, but it is too little, too late for a presidential candidate.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:34:52 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Untrue.  He took PAC money from special interests, including corporations, until he decided to make this run for President.


by steveinohio on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:12:30 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Are you responding to some other comment in an alternative universe?


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30:10 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Gosh...  I wonder how he got to be Editor of The Harvard Law Review...  was that David Axelrod too..?


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST
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and from that, got his religion from a (none / 0)

trailer camp-style racist.  Pretty weird.


by Bill Keaton on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:01:04 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

alegre said: Sorry bug when you look at the big picture Hillary's by far and away the anti-war candidate here.  She's got a plan and she'll stick to it.  No doubt about it.

Right on! This praise reminds me of the praise Stephen Colbert gave to our president: Hillary believes the same thing on Wednesday she believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday.

No matter what happens between now and January 2009 -- war with Iran, U.N intervention, a nuclear detonation in Baghdad -- Hillary will stick with her plan. Nothing, and I mean nothing, could possibly convince her to move one comma. No doubt about it!!


I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland
by alvernon on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:07:25 AM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 1)

Clintonistas are sounding more like Republicans everyday. It must be something in the water at the DLC.
by Cheebs on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:53:53 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

To be honest... I was going to give this diary a fair shake, especially since I am no Frank Rich fan myself...

But then I got to this line, "wherein he lies about having known about Rev. Wright's hate mongering sermons and throws his grandmother under the bus", and did not read any further...

The intellectual poverty of the diarist was showing.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:38:58 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 4)

Wow!  Thank you Mr. Johnson for peeling away the skin on that onion. And spot on.


by environmentally blue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:00:45 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 4)

I sure hope this story gets picked up and carried EVERY WHERE.


by LindaSFNM on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:03:12 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Given Mr. Rich is an op-ed writer, it should be noted that his writing is therefore of the opinion genre...  No one tends to investigate opinions... everyone is allowed to have them, so are just lucky to get paid for theirs.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:44:37 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 1)

You can't fault an African American who wants to give a brother a break and devotes his time to peddling moralizing conventional wisdom and cheer leading like there's no tomorrow for Obama.

And I suppose you are only supporting Hillary because of your intense desire to stand up for your fellow whites?


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:04:00 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

This is pretty incredible.  Johnson believes that Bob Herbert supports Obama because he is an African American?  What other pearls of wisdom are you going to toss up against the wall?

I guess from your perspective that automatically all views of African Americans on Obama are suspect, since no other evidence is offered for this reasoning.

Unless Johnson has such evidence somewhere.


by StrangeAnomaly on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:59:27 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Some diarists thought the invasion of Iraq was a good idea.  One of them even voted for Bush.  Yet here they are, attempting to be taken seriously by Democrats.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:26:13 AM EST
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I'm sure if a feminist were supporting (2.00 / 1)

Hillary at the New York Times (a fantasy, but please indulge) yet she were lying and reversing herself as much as fellow NY Times columnists, Larry would say who can blame her for wanting her lifelong dream to come true?

But, Obama's liberal white guiltosphere can't stop playing the race card.

Liberals in Obama's camp see racism everywhere, when a good point is made against one of their fellow travelers.


by chieflytrue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:32:26 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure if a feminist were supporting (none / 0)

Who's playing the race card, certainly not I.  I think Mr. Johnson was the one who brought up the subject of Mr. Herbert's race.  I'm just asking him to justify it.


by StrangeAnomaly on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:40:08 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 0)

Perfect! It is about time someone turned the tables on the media. You Go!


Take Care, Sharon
by lanesharon on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:20:47 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 3)

Isn't it amazing the snarling and snapping Hillary Haters like Rich and Olberman show?

Olberman was literally foaming at the mouth in his "Special Comment" and Rich has been falling on the floor in contortions for months now.

You have to wonder "why".  Surely you can disagree on some issue, some speech, some action.  But to reek of such hatred says a lot about the reeker...and none of it is good.

I forgot how Rich trashed Gore.  I wonder if Obamhpiles realize that he did that - with the same rankness as he is using to attack Hillary.

And to have him criticize Hillary's actions on the Iraq War while he was carrying water for Bush is so hypocritical it's beyond belief.

So....now do you want to know how I really feel about Frank Rich?


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:24:50 PM EST

Rich trashed Gore and DOWD trashed Gore, (none / 0)

Dowd I feel really helped Usher Bush into the WH.


by Molee on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:08:14 PM EST
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You're right...when do we say NO MORE... (none / 0)

...the Press will NOT decide who our POTUS choices are.

"The will of the voter"?  BS.  Only after the Press has destroyed every other viable candidate.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:29:43 PM EST
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Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

BHO predicted all that would happen after the military took out Saddam.  And, he has never wavered in saying that this war was a mistake.  Those who say otherwise are being disingenuous.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-chec ker/2008/01/obama_and_iraq.html

HRC did vote to authorize the war.  You're silly to claim otherwise.

Here is Sen. Graham's statement: "Friends, I encourage you to read the classified intelligence reports which are much sharper than what is available in declassified form," Sen. Graham reports stating on the floor of the Senate in October 2002.  "We are going to be increasing the threat level against the people of the United States." He warned: "Blood is going to be on your hands"

In addition to stressing the importance of reading the 90 page NIE, Graham indicates that not much may have been available to senators outside of that classified NIE besides the declassified 25 page version (which was a snow job.)  Why didn't HRC take Graham's advice and read the classified version.  Remember that staffers or others couldn't have read the full NIE because it was classified. So we can strike the idea that staffers may have read it and given her the gist.

HRC voted for and approved of Bush's war, not diplomacy:

UN inspectors said:
   March 7, 2003

   Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, IAEA: After three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapon program in Iraq.

  Dr. Hans Blix, Chief U.N. weapons inspector: How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can -- cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament, and at any rate verification of it, cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude induced by continued outside pressure, it will still take some time to verify sites and items, analyze documents, interview relevant persons and draw conclusions. It will not take years, nor weeks, but months.

Hillary Clinton's press release:
   March 17, 2003
   Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Remarks to the Nation

When the President of the United States addresses the nation about possible military action, it is a solemn occasion for every American. Tonight, the President gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war, and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly. While we wish there were more international support for the effort to disarm Saddam Hussein, at this critical juncture it is important for all of us to come together in support of our troops and pray that, if war does occur, this mission is accomplished swiftly and decisively with minimum loss of life and civilian casualties. I have had the honor of meeting and speaking with many of our brave men and women in uniform. They are the best trained, equipped, and motivated military in the entire world, we support them fully and we are grateful for their courageous service in these difficult times.

What was that Bush ultimatum that Clinton refers to? It's this: Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST

STOP shoveling the BS that BO has... (2.00 / 1)

...."never wavered in saying that this war was a mistake.  Those who say otherwise are being disingenuous."

If he was so resolute with regard to this war, what do you ahve to say about this:

(From No More Apples and Huffington Post)

"9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser:

But back in '02, for those of us who dared to speak out against President Bush and his war in Iraq, we stood virtually alone. There was no resounding chorus of people calling "bullshit" on Bush's folly. No, back in 2002 you were called unpatriotic if you dared to question the president; labeled as helping the terrorists if you raised doubt about his divine call to action.

Now forgive me, but I do not recall the help (or the voice) of any Barack Obama from Illinois. Indeed, I cannot recall hearing or feeling the impact of any one speech from the Illinois Senator. Did he attend the rally on the mall in Washington? The marches and protests in NYC? Did he conduct national press interviews? Did he write any editorials? Organize any protest rallies? Mobilize the people? Did he write any petitions? If he did, I never saw any of them.

Yet according to Barack Obama, because he spoke out in 2002 against the war in Iraq, he is better qualified to be president."

ALL TALK.  NO ACTION.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:37:07 PM EST
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Re: STOP shoveling the BS that BO has... (none / 0)

Well, Obama was a state senator at the time (who also happened to be in the middle of a tight re-election campaign).  State elected officials don't typically criss-cross the nation making appearances when they have their own constituents to look out for in their home state.

He did make his 'speech' - the one everyone here derides- at Chicago's first anti-war rally organized by Chicagoans Against War in Iraq held one week before the war resolution vote in Congress.

You're right.  It was a tough time to be against the war.  Why don't you give Barack some credit?

Hillary Clinton certainly didn't stick her neck on the line.  More than half of her fellow Democratic Senators voted against the resolution.  Why couldn't she?


by Damien in Texas on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:57:33 PM EST
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9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser... (2.00 / 1)

said this comment...it has a lot more meaning than if I had.

She was there.  Obama was in the pews of TUCC listening to Rev. Wrong blame America for her husband's death.

So sad.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:03:46 PM EST
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Re: 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser... (none / 0)

Based on her comment, she seems to believe that Barack was a U.S. Senator at the time.  He was not.  He was not in a position that would allow him to make trips around the country speaking out against the war.  (No one really even knew who he was.)

I'm just pointing out that he did attend the anti-war rally in his home of Chicago.  Did Hillary attend any anti-war rallies in New York City?

You should also check out the full context of Rev. Wright's 9-11 speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqPUXjFYh 38

With his 'chickens coming home to roost' remark, he was actually quoting a former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and former deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism who made the statement on Fox News.

(It also happens to be a commonly held view of many foreign policy scholars - Blowback is the term used to describe our foreign policy misadventures coming back to bite us in the ass.)

The statement was a footnote in a larger sermon dealing with forgiveness and the dangers of cyclical violence...  It's been grossly misused in the press (no surprise there).

Really.  Just check out the short YouTube clip to see what I mean.  Rev.  Wright is a former Marine.  How could he be anti-American?


by Damien in Texas on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:32:08 PM EST
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Oh, HA HA HA (none / 0)

So now Rev. Wright is a patriot?  

I.  Don't.  Think.  So.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:45:17 PM EST
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your only reply... (none / 0)

... is to laugh at the most insignificant part of my comment?

I don't really care about Rev. wright's patriotism.    No one is in a position to judge anyone else's patriotism.  That's a dangerous row to hoe, don't you think?

My only point about Rev. Wright is that his "chickens" comment was taken completely out of context.  Are you brave enough to look at the video to acknowledge as much, or is that too much of a threat to your world view?


by Damien in Texas on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:12:10 AM EST
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Re: Oh, HA HA HA (none / 0)

I will wager he spent more time in the US military than you did. Or most of his critics.

Wright is a proud marine.


by hawkjt on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:43:11 AM EST
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Re: 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser... (none / 0)

He wasn't there for the blame America thing.  It's been shown that he was at home with his new daughter.  But, he did denounce the incendiary comments when he was told about them.

BHO doesn't hate America, and he didn't throw granny and all white people under the bus.

Kristen Breitweiser is understandably upset about her husband so she deserves a little slack (although I'm not sure she best honors her husband with this activity) as she uses his death to make a political attack against BHO.  But, your crass use of a man's death, and his wife's grief is inexcusable.  Is there no bottom, no tactic too low?  Apparently not.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:41:15 PM EST
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Ms. Breitwiser is a solid, sane and brave (2.00 / 1)

woman...you remember women, don't you?

Don't try and peddle her off as sitting on a fainting couch with the vapors.  She wrote this.  She knew what she was saying.  And it shows that BO was AWOl (as usual) when it came to putting up...or shutting up.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:47:49 PM EST
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Re: Ms. Breitwiser is a solid, sane and brave (none / 0)

What are you saying?  I never said she was a man.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:53:00 AM EST
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Bad judgment? (none / 0)

Most likely.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:27:39 AM EST
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And don't forget Richardson. (2.00 / 4)

He became an instant ass when he endorsed Obama.


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:19:18 PM EST

You're right on that one, buddy (2.00 / 3)

I wonder what they bribed him with.


by Bill Keaton on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:05:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The moment anyone of prominence... (none / 0)

... endorses Obama, they become an instant ass.

At least that's what I read here for the most part.

Like Richardson. You believe he's been bribed. Based on... Based on.... Based on...


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Based on (2.00 / 1)

his presidential campaign rhetoric.


by Coldblue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:20:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And what rhetoric was that? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:21:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you missed it... (2.00 / 1)

it wasn't about hope


by Coldblue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:25:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

In other words... (none / 0)

... you got nuthin'.


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:26:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nuthin' (2.00 / 1)

that you could fathom.


by Coldblue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:30:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh-huh. (none / 0)

You and the other poster accuse Bill Richardson of being bribed to endorse Obama. Based on nothing, apparently, but your own dislike of fellow Democrats. (Or at least those Dems who don't back your preferred candidate.)


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:34:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The dots (2.00 / 2)

Richardson says it is a 'new ballgame' if Hillary wins Texas and Ohio: she did

Richardson endorses Obama once it is determined that FL/MI will not have a revote.

Was he bribed? Or has he just become a true believer?


by Coldblue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:47:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So it's either/or. (none / 0)

Because you say so.

Got it.


by Bob Johnson on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:50:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But you (none / 0)

already disagreed because I say so. Heh

Good night Bob, it's been a wonderful evening chatting with you. Happy Easter to you and your family.


by Coldblue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:58:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More character assassination and vitriol (none / 0)

from the Clinton people.  Yawn.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:29:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

A true believer in himself. (2.00 / 1)

Richardson showed no loyalty to the people who helped advance his career and is blowing with the wind at this moment.  He stated that his people wanted Obama but quite sure New Mexico voted for Hillary.  Believe he's term limited as governor so no doubt he's angling for a new job.  Richardson is for Richardson.


by laternighter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:12:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A true believer in himself. (none / 0)

Quid pro quo has always scared me...

"we did this for you, so you owe us..."

Political alliances or campaign finances, the concept of owing is dangerous.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:25:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 2)

I've been saying that the same people who brought you Bush and the Iraq war are trying to bring you Obama. Nice to know that Frank Rich also was one of the people went after Gore in 2000, thus helping to give us Bush. The MSM was horrible to Gore in 2000 but besides Rich, who were they? Who has a record of speaking ill of the best candidates and well of the worst?


by Nobama on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Speaking of intellectual poverty...  Are you kidding me??  The same people that brought us Bush and Iraq want to bring us Obama??  I don't know if you have been paying attention but Rush and his brethren are encouraging people to vote for Hillary....  Those are the people that brought you Bush and Iraq...  And you didn't even know about Frank Rich, who is one freakin' person....

Yikes.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:50:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jay Carney was one of the Gore trashers, (none / 0)

Time Magazine.


by Molee on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:09:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

I've been saying that the same people who brought you Bush and the Iraq war are trying to bring you Obama.

You apparently don't know yet that Hillary helped Bush bring you the Iraq war.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:50:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow-- who knew Frank Rich was such a (2.00 / 2)

moron and a hypocrite.

Well, I assumed, but this proof is all I needed.  This is what the media has come to, they have become such desperate, crazed sensation chasers in need of more attention than the overhyped stories they chase that they lie like rugs.

The New York Times, MSNBC, and George Bush are the ones most responsible for fanning the flames of this pre-emptive war for which they were UNWILLING to wait for evidence.

Hillary was not such an animal, she specifically argued for inspections and against pre-emptive war.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_ 101002.html

The MEDIA is doing it's same bad job as usual--in the last few years at least.  Hyping a sensation for their own careers and desperate desire to be as important as the story they're hyping (facts/journalism/democracy are so last century).

And as they were wrong about the war, while Hillary was right, they have been wrong about Obama, while Hillary was right.  A real vetting would show Mr. Rich, Obama is no Anti war hero, Hillary is far less responsible for the war than the New York Times and Judith Miller (and apparently Rich himself?  Wow, good job outing him Larry).

And when they're wrong, they sure do blow it for this country.

GREAT JOB LARRY.  You've put a mirror in this idiot's face and he should stick to theatrical releases.  Then again, in dealing with many aspects of the celebrity based biography heavy, substance light candidacy of Barack Obama Frank Rich might be in his element after all...pop culture.  Stage craft.  Salesmanship and pushing pure fiction.

Recommended!


by chieflytrue on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:50:02 PM EST

as long as you're bringing up HRC's Iraq speech... (none / 0)

Let's look at what another senator had to say before he voted against the resolution.

This is a segment of Sen Feingold's speech:

But, Mr. President, I am increasingly troubled by the seemingly shifting justifications for an invasion at this time. My colleagues, I'm not suggesting there has to be only one justification for such a dramatic action. But when the Administration moves back and forth from one argument to another, I think it undercuts the credibility of the case and the belief in its urgency. I believe that this practice of shifting justifications has much to do with the troubling phenomenon of many Americans questioning the Administration's motives in insisting on action at this particular time.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the spectacle of the President and senior Administration officials citing a purported connection to al Qaeda one day, weapons of mass destruction the next day, Saddam Hussein's treatment of his own people on another day, and then on some days the issue of Kuwaiti prisoners of war.

Mr. President, for some of these, we may well be willing to send some 250,000 Americans in harm's way. For others, frankly, probably not. These litanies of various justifications -- whether the original draft resolution, the new White House resolution, or regrettably throughout the President's speech in Cincinnati -- in my view set the bar for an alternative to a U.S. invasion so high that, Mr. President, I'm afraid it almost locks in -- it almost requires -- a potentially extreme and reckless solution to these problems.

[...]

But the relentless attempt to link 9-11 and the issue of Iraq has been disappointing to me for months, culminating in the President's singularly unpersuasive attempt in Cincinnati to interweave 9-11 and Iraq, to make the American people believe that there are no important differences between the perpetrators of 9-11 and Iraq.

I provide this speech here to provide some context to Hillary Clinton's position on Iraq in 2002.  Sure, it's easy to dismiss Obama's anti-war position, because he didn't have to take a vote on the resolution.  Many Clinton supporters seem to forget that, unlike Hillary, more than half the Senate Democrats voted against the resolution.  As Feingold suggests here, they suspected that the resolution would certainly lead to war.  

I would like to point out specifically how Feingold expressed skepticism of Bush's Cincinnati speech in which G.W.B. tried to link al queda to Saddam.  Notice what Hillary said about that same speech:

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

She says that Bush's insane statements in Cincinnati tying al queda to iraq, made it easier for her to vote for the war!  That's all I need to know about her foreign policy judgment right there.  

I know. I know.  You guys will point out that she says, "I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible."

Were those 'just words' she inserted to cover herself politically?  It appears that other  Democrats like Feingold and Obama had the judgment and foresight to know that the adminstration was leading us into an almost certain catastrophic war.

Why didn't Hillary Clinton?


by Damien in Texas on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:47:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Seriously (none / 0)

who gives a flying fuck about that fat idiot Frank Rich? I don't and neither should you. He should certainly lose his column if the NYT does want to see its circulation dwindle further and become another paper in the NewsCorps stable.


by tarheel74 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:07:24 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (2.00 / 1)

Great piece Larry. Rich is also on record saying said there was no difference between Gore & Bush in 2000. He's always hated the Clintons and Gore too. A bitter old hateful zaftig that's seen better days and has nothing useful to say.


by durendal on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:46:51 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Hillary's people have gone so far over the edge that they now reside in the same dark realm as the Republicans who smeared the Clintons for a decade.

I've come to the conclusion that they, like conservatives, would attack a blind orphan if the child uttered a word against her or in favor of her opponent.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:47:23 PM EST

Damn You, New York Times! (none / 0)

The New York Times is obviously so biased against Clinton that they decided to endorse her for President. The bastards.

I hope all the people who are declaring that Rich is a hack feel equally strong about Bill Kristol, who recently had to issue a retraction for posting false statements (read: not just opinions) about Obama.

Be glad that it's only the likes of Rich and Dowd sharpening their pens at Clinton. Would you rather have Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly, Krauthammer, Glenn Beck, et. al. instead? I bet the Obama camp would trade you a negative Rich column for a 2-hour firing squad on Fox and Friends.

Rich is meant as entertainment. His ability to inflict serious damage is limited. But if he's saying things that are obviously untrue or unfair, send the Times a message. It worked for Obama when Kristol got it wrong the other day.


by jdusek on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:07:37 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

The intellectual poverty of Larr Johnson

Truly disgusting:

"While the competition has been keen at the New York Times to secure the mantle as the most virulent Hillary hater, Frank Rich is in a class by himself. No other columnist now writing for the "Gray Lady" is more intellectually dishonest and lacking in basic integrity than Frank Rich, the bloviating former theater critic turned professional Hillary basher. Maureen Dowd? Alternating between catty and crazy, Dowd's nose is out of joint apparently because Hillary looks better in boots. How about Bob Herbert? You can't fault an African American who wants to give a brother a break and devotes his time to peddling moralizing conventional wisdom and cheer leading like there's no tomorrow for Obama. And William Kristol and David Brooks? They are just neocon party-liners."


McCain just lied again
by wrb on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:27:37 PM EST

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

Hmm, it seems too many forget who dissed Gore in 2000, praised Bush, and brought you the Iraq war. Among the cast of characters: the NYT and the Wash. Post. The Outlook section of today's Post was full of fawning for Obama and there's a lot of that in the NYT as well.

Obama has been foisted on an unsuspecting public by the liberal elite, the same sort who brought you George McGovern in 1972. I was a McGovern supporter back then. We nominated a man who was only able to win one state in the GE and he lost to Nixon. Though it may be difficult to unseat a sitting president, Bill Clinton managed to do it 20 years later.

The liberal elite is a minority in the Democratic party. They're just louder and have more money than the majority of the party. They'd be happy if we again run a candidate who doesn't stand a chance of winning. Not this time.

We have a fetid liberal media owned by a handful of conservative corporations that want more money and more power. They know they won't get that with Hillary, who actually has a good chance of winning against McCain, so they promote Obama, knowing full well he has no chance against McCain. JM promises to keep the Bush tax cuts in place so it's important that the Dems run the least experienced, least qualified candidate so he can fail. The fetid media comes out smelling like a rose since they tried to do their bit for a minority candidate.

The MSM's worst nightmare is Hillary, the woman who can cut them off at the knees and end the tax cuts for the richest of the rich. Nope, they have to do all they can to ensure her defeat at the hands of the man who has no chance.

Until recently, Republicans turned out more for Obama in a cynical effort to defeat Hillary. Now, thanks to Rush, the tide turned a bit in Hillary's favor in a cynical effort to weaken Obama enough to keep the race going long enough to ensure Obama's defeat in the fall, as if they weren't already sure about that.

Hillary still has a very good chance of winning the nomination and making fools out of the liberal elite and the fetid media supporting Obama. Just wait and see.


by Nobama on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30:25 PM EST

I think in my next incarnation (none / 0)

I'll call myself noclintons.  Yeah, that's real classy.  That'll get those right wing dems, just wait and see!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:34:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich (none / 0)

So the diarist heaps abuse on Frank Rich without specifically engaging or refuting any of his arguments. Uncluttered with examples, facts, or an argument of his own, he just spews out a page and a half of sputtering frustrating and name-calling.

On the Rec list, people? Really?


The Washington Post gave Mrs Clinton four Pinocchios for [the sniper story], which is like three Michelin stars, only for lying. -- The Economist
by BITNPB on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:10:29 AM EST

Deeply misleading view of Rich's pre-war column (none / 0)

I think this diary is deeply misleading. My recollection of Frank Rich's pre-war columns didn't match these claims, so I looked them up. For instance, Rich's "Pearl Harbor Day" piece
cited here is quite critical of Bush's rush to war, and his shifting reasons for it. This diary takes one quote out of context to create a wrong impression.

See the column here.

(Of course, I agree that NYT's news division played
a shameful role in the rush to war, but not Frank
Rich, as far as I can tell.)

This diarist clearly has an agenda.


by deminNJ on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:11:13 AM EST


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