Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White House

A lot has been made about how Obama can't win without white working class voters, women, and latinos.  Many have argued that these groups just won't vote for him.  I have pointed out without doing the serious number crunching before that this is just not true and that the key to a democratic victory is SOLID African-American support. I have now done the number crunching based on the 2000 and 2004 exit polls for key states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio with the help of others and without a doubt, no matter the maximum increase of voters in Hillary's  "voting blocks, " she nor any Democrat can win the White House without SOLID African-American support.

Here's why:

We started out with CNN's exit polls for 2004 for Pennsylvania.  Notice that Bush got 16% of the African American turnout compared to Kerry's 84%.  It should also be noted that Bush increased his AA turnout numbers by 9% in 2004.  Based on the 2004 exit polls, Kerry received approximately 680,000 votes from AA's.  He won PA by about 150K votes.  Now if we were to subtract all of the AA votes from both candidates and redistributed it to a 60-40 split,Kerry would gain about 400K or so votes and Bush would receive about 320K AA votes.  In the end Bush would win.  Keep in mind that AA turnout was 2% higher than in 2000.  If Obama was the nominee it is most likely that AA turnout would probably be about 4% higher than 2004  and given that Obama is usually getting 90% of the AA vote, he would most likely build upon that lead. I seriously doubt that if Obama is the nominee that McCain would get 16% of the AA vote and would most likely get closer to 10%.

In PA, latinos made up 3% of the vote and they went 70-30 for Kerry.  Yes, there is a good chance that their vote percentage would be a bit higher but given the population of PA, it wouldn't make that much of a difference.  As for whites, they went for Bush in PA by almost 9%.  If we were to give McCain white voters by 60-40, based on the numbers from 2004, and then included AA's which would most likely make up closer to 15% of the electorate and then gave Obama a 90-10 split, Obama would still win by perhaps a margin of 150K votes.  Hillary would lose PA by about 150K votes if  AA's didn't vote for her by at least a 70% margin.

We also examined Ohio as it is another battleground state which also has a higher AA population than latino population but also has a high white working class population.  In 2004, AA's made up about 10% of the electorate, Bush won again about 16% of the AA vote and he again increased his AA vote from 2000. Kerry lost Ohio by about 150K votes, similar to how he won PA.  Let's say that like the primaries in 2008, AA turnout is close to 15% in the general against McCain. In this case we would give Obama 90% of the black vote. Based on the 2004 numbers he would win Ohio. Latino's like in PA are less than 5% of the electorate so the Latino vote would be insignificant in Ohio as in PA.  The white working class vote would be important in Ohio just like PA.  Again, let's give Mccain a 60-40 split on the white vote in OH and take out all of the AA vote.  McCain would win.  However, when you add the AA vote and estimate a 15% turnout among AA's in Ohio and them going 90-10 for Obama, Mccain would lose OH by about 80K votes. Furthermore, although the Governor of Ohio was a Clinton supporter, I seriously doubt that he wouldn't be behind whomever was the democratic nominee which would also add to an Obama victory.

I would also like to point out something rather interesting in Ohio's democratic primary exit poll.  When asked if Hillary's supporters would be upset if she won the nomination 12% YES compared to only 3% of Obama supporters.  Similar numbers were seen in the MS primary.  If you took away 12% of Hillary's support in a general election plus another 3% of AA support, Hillary would lose OH by over 200K votes.

When you factor in AA support in key swing states and also the fact as Gallup has recently pointed out that Hillary is considered untrustworthy by the public, Hillary and Obama need SOLID  AA support to win.  Hillary has more working against her though in these two states in a general election if she were to win the nomination even though Obama won either/or the pledged delegate count or the popular vote.

My argument in this diary has been that AA support is crucial to a democratic victory no matter who is the nominee and Obama would be able to maximize the AA vote in ways that other democratic candidates have not.  However, at the end of this, we all need to be behind whomever is the nominee. Of course, as an Obama supporter, I think that he is the better candidate and  I want him to be the nominee and I think he will be.  As furious as I would be like many of his supporters if he were to lose by some back room deal, I would at the end of the day support the nominee because McCain is not to be trusted. For all of those Clinton and Obama supporters who disagree, you need to seriously think about a vote for John McCain. If you take a look at his voting record you will see that contrary to how the media has portrayed him as a "Maverick" he is far from it. Instead of claiming that one side won't vote for the other, we need to figure out a way to get all sides to vote for the Democratic nominee.  I will admit that I have told myself that I wouldn't vote for HRC if she stole the nomination but I realized that I would be voting against my interests and I have been encouraging many African-Americans to NOT vote against their interests as I would encourage those white working class voters and latinos to not vote against their interests if Obama gets the nomination.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/r esults/states/OH/P/00/epolls.0.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/r esults/states/PA/P/00/epolls.0.html



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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Lets be honest

White support is key

Female support is key

Black and Latino support are equally key

Barack has serious problems with 3 of the 4


by DTaylor on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:33:03 PM EST

Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

I would say asians too - They are no where near AA and latino votes but has always voted for the democratic party.

BHO has to do significant inroad to that part of the population as well if he gets the nomination

I spoke to some of them yesterday and they are skeptical about voting for BHO in the general. Maybe this wont be significant since it is CA


by indus on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:38:25 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

In California there are about twice as many Asian voters as AA. Add also lesbians and gays who have been voting 2 to 1 for Hillary. Yet another group Obama has problems with.


by DaleA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:19:12 PM EST
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I think that all people.. (none / 0)

have the intelligence to vote with their common sense and where their heart tells them to and not on the basis of color or nationality.

I am making my decisions based on issues and not based on something superficial like skin color. I really wish that the people who try to use stereotypes to characterize people's voting habits based on their races would consider that that is not a smart way to pick candidates and its also demeaning to all of us to assume that we will vote in that way. Its very un-democratic.


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by architek on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:16:50 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

In an general election based on the popular vote of the entire country, yes. In a general election based on the popular votes in diverse swing states,NO. You need Black support in PA and OH, you won't get Latino support in either of those states compared to the support of AA votes that is needed in both of these states.  Ed Rendell did NOT become Governor of PA because of the white support, he became Governor of PA because of AA support. Yes, white support is important but for a democratic candidate in the 2008 election, African-American support is crucial in swing states.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:40:34 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

Hillary as candidate would need Obama as VP or a black VP

Obama as candidate would need Hillary as VP or a hispanic VP

I vote for Hillary/Obama because I hold out hope for Barack once he has the experience of being around the likes of the Clintons he will be much much better suited to run and win in the GE

Obama has a small number of very serious flaws that could be fixed with some time, some experience and a little learning the value of the Clinton style of polish.

He is probably the most ready AA we have for 2016 and we need to  give him the VP or his career will tank imo.


by DTaylor on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:15:02 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Honestly, Obama actually has far more legislative experience than Hillary. Yes, he was in the state senate for 8 years while Hillary was in the White House for 8 years but I have yet to see how Hillary's time in the White House as first lady trumps being a state senator.  I am not trying to belittle Hillary's experience but I would like someone to point to me some solid experience from her time in the White House.  Every time she claims experience it comes out that it was false.  I applaud her for trying to get universal health care back in the early 90s but she failed. I would like to know EXACTLY how she plans on going about being successful in a hyper partisan environment with her being one of the most polarizing figures.  That is one of my main concerns about Hillary.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:21:23 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

Also, Obama doesn't need Hillary or a Hispanic VP. He needs a strong foreign policy VP. I think Jim Webb would be an excellent choice.  


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:22:48 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

AAs are traditionally very loyal to the Democratic Party.  There is no historical precedent for them drifting in large numbers to the Republicans.  A few might stay home if Hillary is nominated, but I doubt that too many would vote for McCain.

However, three other groups -- Latinos, Asians, and white "Reagan Democrats" -- are much more fickle.  They are much more likely to cross the aisle and vote for McCain if they are dissatisfied with the nominee.  And when you lose a voter to the competing candidates it's twice as costly as losing a voter to staying home.  And the long-term effects for the party can be devastating, especially given that Latinos and Asian Americans are both rapidly rising as a percentage of the voting population.

If we want to win in 2008 and beyond, the Democrats need to nominate a candidate that has strong appeal to Latinos and Reagan Democrats.


by markjay on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:48:37 PM EST

Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

Why are we chasing Reagan Democrats? No seriously, these are the folks who are pretty much against everything that Democrats stand for.  They are not about progressive values which is what the Democratic party is about.  The reason why Republicans lost in 2006 was because their CORE and most LOYAL voters stayed home.  People that stay home have to have a good reason to and they are not as likely to come out again for years.  You do not alienate your CORE voters because you need them in down ballot races.  The fact that latinos are not a solid group for Democrats shows that they cannot be the "key" to democrats winning. Yes, it is important that we make inroads with them but in many of the key states, it is just not that important as it is to KEEP the African-American vote SOLID.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:54:09 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

The fact that Bush got 16% of AA support in OH and PA is something to keep in mind.  If they were seriously motivated by the Democratic nominee, Kerry and they went for him 90-10, he would be our President.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:03:50 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

If we as Democrats want to move to a post racial world we need to anticipate we will lose a large chunk of the AA vote until when racism is over its 50/50

I oppose blaming AAs that they supported us 84% but not 90%

Thats just not realistic and the less racism there is the less realistic it is so we should plan for a future with less racism in it.


by DTaylor on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:09:22 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Racism isn't going anywhere.  The Republicans have showed that they care less and less about minorities each election, if it isn't AA's it's latinos. Who's next?  

Yes, we need to plan for the future but the way things are going right now, racism is going to be a problem for at least another 100 years with the help of republican hacks and the media.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:14:44 PM EST
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AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

Dumb move for Obama to separate out AA to get them to vote as a unit.  
It has scared Lunchbucket into doing the same.

Which group offers more votes?


by Bill Keaton on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:50:41 PM EST

Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

He is not separating them out.  If you look at the polls before and right after Iowa, HRC was still beating him among AA support.  It was only when Bill and Co. started race-baiting that things started to shift.  No, Obama has not scared the lunchbucket crowd, the media has.  It is our responsibility to make sure that they are voting their interests which is voting for a democrat.  As for who offers more votes, in close elections in states like OH and PA, when maximized, AA's offer more votes.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:58:37 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (2.00 / 2)

This comment really irritates me!  Bill and Co did no such thing.  This is a lie perpetrated by the O campaign and the MSM.  I remember this very clearly.  This whole thing started by the pundits trying to justify their miscall in New Hampshire, that they suggested the votes were due to the Bradley effect.  

Then Donna Brazile said that as an AA she was offended by Bill Clinton's tone, and his referring to Obama as a fantasy, when it was a reference to O stand on Iraq Clinton was talking about.  The comment that was played as nausium that Bill Clinton said about Jesse Jackson was in direct response to a reporter's question.  The reporter asked him about an AA winning SC.  And what Clinton said was in response to the question.  Now to take the historical fact that Jesse Jackson did in fact win SC and a lot of other states as well in 88 is in no way a racist statement it is the truth.  But for O's campaign to twist that comment and for the pundits to take the answer without the context of the question and turn that into some racial slur it is not only wrong, you are perpetrating a bold faced lie.  

It seems so easy for AAs to forget all about the years of Clinton and his working with AAs. They threw all that overboard for a man who has black skin.  I would say that it is the AAs who are voting because of race and that they are the racists who have some need to forget any history and go with the moment and some perceived, no created insult, that was never said, and never meant.  This is a creation of the O campaign and the pundits and is being sold as if Clinton is a racist, which he nor she is not.  I find it ironic that the one president that supported black communities is being thrown under the bus because a black man comes along and insinuates that the Clintons' are some how racist.  It stinks!

Now when it is becoming apparent that there will be a white backlash the threats come out, the accusations come out, the spin is the thing.  I refuse to take this garbage without pointing this out.  The backlash will happen, Obama has done this to himself.  It was Obama who just had to have the black vote in such a block and the only way for him to make inroads was to turn the Clintons into racists.  What I found so disheartening was the way that AA bought the lie and turned so vehemently against Hillary.  It just goes to show you that loyalty is only skin deep.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:25:06 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

Actually this started on Black talk radio, black churches, and black blogs.  You need to check out the clinton attacks Obama wiki or Jack and Jill Politics to know that this wasn't something that the media started.  African-Americans have never forgotten about the Clintons which is why this has been all the more painful.  During the Clinton years, there were many black talk radio show hosts who felt that Blacks were brainwashed by the Clinton s and they were often ridiculed.  What is happening now is that blacks are reflecting back to the 90s(the good and the bad) and the way that the Clinton's are acting now and are furious.

Also, if you remember, the Black vote wasn't for Obama at first and he did NOT seek out the black vote. If he was only seeking out the black vote, then he would be just another Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:31:08 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

So are you saying that there is a large grassroots anti-Clinton movement in the AA Community?


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by RedstateLib on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:21:58 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

There is.  Again, I would point to Jack and Jill Politics and The Root as evidence.  Hardly mainstream.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:54:10 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

So are you saying we should give into the extortion of this group f AA Voters? That we the Democratic party should allow this vocal minority to pressure us into supporting their candidate? Why?


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:22:52 AM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

Extortion? No, this is far more than an extortion and this goes beyond the blogs.  Go to black churches and black communities and you will hear the  EXACT same thing.  No one is saying that people should be pressured into supporting one candidate or another but it is important to understand what is going on with the democrat's most loyal base of supporters. Yes, you are going to need a coalition of many groups but to ignore 1/3 of that coalition is not smart.  Honestly, this primary season has left many African-Americans like myself feeling more isolated than we already felt. If we speak up, we are considered being racist and only supporting Obama because he is black. It's offensive because it says that blacks aren't smart enough to vote for someone whom we agree with  based on the issues.  Your comments cause more isolation.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:52:37 AM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

How did he separate them out?  What was his dumb move?


by interestedbystander on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:00:20 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

After his surprise loss in the New Hampshire primary Obama began an effort to smear Hillary Clinton, accusing her of using his race against him. The initial salvos were Jesse Jackson Jr.'s "tears of Katrina" comments and charges of a Bradley effect in New Hampshire. But his campaign pretty quickly developed a subtler list of talking points to push the idea that Clinton was using race, documented in a memo by his SC press secretary Amaya Smith. He acknowledged how divisive the tactic is in the Las Vegas debate, regretted it and promised to stop using it.

New Hampshire demonstrated that Clinton had a solid 35-40% of the vote, while his support was soft, especially among African Americans. The only way he could beat her was to drive up her negatives among Democrats. His corruption and baggage charges were not doing the trick, so he chose, in a Democratic primary, to go nuclear with racism.

Despite his promise in January, and despite the danger to the Democratic party and to his general election chances, he continued the using the tactic after SC.

Now that the Republicans have entered the fray Obama is in a difficult position. He has polarized the Democratic electorate by pushing race in the press, and the Republicans are gleefully capitalizing on that environment to begin peeling off the Democrats Obama has alienated. Unlike Obama's Democratic opponents, who lose when race is the issue, Republicans are just as happy to push racial division in the press as he is, but in the general election it works in their favor by dividing Democrats.


by souvarine on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:10:43 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

Her negatives were already high. It's pretty bad to have 50% of the country hating you and you are considered the inevitable candidate. Please check out the clinton attacks obama wiki to see when the race issue ACTUALLY started.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:56:02 PM EST
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Re: AA support vs Lunchbucket support (none / 0)

She and Bill Clinton had 80-90% approval ratings from Democrats. Since this is the Democratic primary Obama had to drive up her negatives among Democrats, which he did by painting both of them as a racists.

Note that since the Republicans have begun to tear Obama apart his negatives are shooting up over 50%, it is very bad if Obama cannot get that under control. We will see.

For the purposes of this argument who started it does not matter, what matters is who is pushing it in the press. Obama admitted and regretted that it was his campaign that was pushing race as an issue in the press. He continued to push it (Ferraro) until it became crystal clear that the Republicans would destroy him with it. Then he tried to pivot back with 'brilliant' speeches on race.


by souvarine on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:21:57 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Are you serious? Please don't tell me that you are.  I'm sorry I just have to ask if you are an African-American because your comments are beyond belief.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:14:42 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Yes, I'm serious. No, I am not African American.

Which comments are beyond belief?


by souvarine on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:49:49 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

"She and Bill Clinton had 80-90% approval ratings from Democrats. Since this is the Democratic primary Obama had to drive up her negatives among Democrats, which he did by painting both of them as a racists."

You have got to be kidding me. Please check out:
http://clintonattacksobama.pbwiki.com/In cident+Tracker
and then explain to me why Clinton was apologizing to Obama. I'm not saying that the Clintons are racist but they have used racially coded wording throughout this primary season that is very offensive.

You can go ahead and deny it and say that it is crap  but as an African-American(who is far from being alone on this), the Clinton's have been offensive and have turned off quite a bit of African-Americans.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:04:57 AM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Clinton has no interest in making race an issue in this primary, all it does is hurt her. That is why she acted so quickly to remove people who approached the line, and apologized to Obama.

I disagree that Bill or Hillary Clinton have used racial code ever in this primary, however when her surrogates or supporters have said anything that caused offense, regardless of the intent of the supporter, she took action.

But even if she had used racially coded wording, even if everything in clintonattacksobama were accurate, it is not Clinton who is pushing these stories. It is Obama, and he admits it. The Republicans are taking advantage of the stories Obama pushed to peel off Democrats, and that is the difficulty Obama has put himself in.


by souvarine on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:50:16 AM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

very important point. AA vote is KEY! No question, they are the reason why Dems win MI and PA. However, white women and Hispanics are also key and Obama is lacking in those. He gets on AA, youth and elite voters, who will not carry the day against McCain.


by American1989 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:54:15 PM EST

Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Looking at past exit polls for key states, Kerry was splitting the white woman vote with Bush or losing it by double digits. Even if the white woman vote went for Mccain by 10% in key states(which is VERY VERY unlikely), maximum AA support would make up that margin for Obama. Latino's do not make the difference in OH or PA.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:01:56 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

what about white male? what about their support? don't they count? they matter!


by American1989 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Of course the matter, but they have chosen not to matter as much by the way they vote or lack thereof voting.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:24:09 PM EST
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I think it depends (none / 0)

On whether Obama's weakness among white women or Latinos for that matter is because no matter what policy preferences, they simply don't like the man (for whatever reason), or is it because they simply trust Hillary more and think she would be a better president. If it's the latter, then I think Obama can get a lot of those votes back in the time between the end of the primaries and November. If it's the former, then no amount of campaigning or assurances by surrogates is going to matter.


by highgrade on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:03:53 PM EST

Re: I think it depends (none / 0)

Obama says that as typical white women, they are afraid of a black man.  do you really buy this tripe?  Do you think that is why they won't vote for him?  They are afraid of him?  Obama is a passive/ aggressive male.  That is his problem with white women, not the fact that he is black.  It is his prejudice toward white women that is the problem anyway.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:33:17 PM EST
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Re: I think it depends (none / 0)

You missed the complete context of that statement. He was referring to generational which is very true.  I have an 80 year old black grandma who still refers to "good hair" and she refuses to talk to pollsters on the phone for fear they are collecting information about blacks to "get rid of us." I cringe when my grandma does this and I will correct her but I know that it is something that she is not going to get over especially at 80.  This is similar to what Barack is saying about his grandmother and is more or less typical of white individuals from her era as is typical of black individuals of my grandma's era to refer to folks with "good hair."


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:37:42 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 2)

While I agree that AA votes are important for a democratic victory in the fall, they are not the only factor.  Without the support of down scale democrats, white middle class democrats, a democrat will not win the WH.  These voters are more likely to actually vote for McCain in the fall, whereas AA will vote for the democrat.  If they stay home they will have a republican in the WH.  They will vote their own self interest.  I think the threat that Obama has manufactured over the AA vote is a myth.  Before O used the AA community in a cynical divisive campaign, AAs were supporting Hillary.  If O is not the nominee they very well may vote for her.  

This cannot be said of the down scale so called Reagan democrats who can and often do vote for the other guy.  the big difference in this election is not in fact the AA community, because they usually vote democratic, it is the huge woman's vote that will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.  These women could put Hillary over the top.  In fact, if the democratic party had her as their nominee, and they did support her, then not only would AAs vote for her, but the difference could be that woman's vote.  There are 55% women in this country and only a few are republicans.  I know there has been this stirring of Hillary hatred by the O campaign  and his supporters, but if she were the nominee, this hatred would be lessened.  On the other hand, Obama cannot depend on the big Latino support of Hillary's in fact those voters very well may vote for McCain.  Add to that the women and the down scale white vote, and Obama hasn't got a chance and that is with every eligible AA voting in the whole country.  There are 10% AA in this country.  Now you do the math, as the O supporters are wont to say.  It is already in the numbers and if the AAs really want to change this country they would begin to realize that O will never get elected by his tactics to date.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:04:27 PM EST

Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

Hillary's woman vote is primarily coming from older women.  Women already make up about 55-66% percent of the electorate in the general.  She is not winning Republican women, she is winning Democratic women. There is no evidence that Hillary would win 60% or more of the total female vote in a general election.  She would need about 60% or more of the female vote in ALL states to win the election  if she doesn't have the support of AA's like in past elections.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:11:15 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (2.00 / 1)

with hillary, the women outpour will increase by atleast 3 percent.


by American1989 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:16:48 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Are you sure that they would all be voting for her? You have to consider Republican women as well. It could also be said that AA support would increase by 3-5% and in states like PA and OH, that would make the difference between a win and a loss.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:26:24 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

Latinos will NEVER go for Obama over McCain in big numbers.  McCain has a good reputation in the community and Obama is unknown and hasn't offered us anything other than his "bring people together" crap (a claim McCain also makes and has experience to back up with).  Words don't mean much for us, actions do, and many latinos know times were better under Clintons and they also respect McCain's military service.  Plus latinos don't have the "white guilt" of many of Obama's supporters and have a great affinity for the Clintons.  If Obama is nominated, Latinos will go bigger for McCain than they did for Bush.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:13:30 PM EST

Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

You act like latinos are one monolithic voting block.  You seem to not understand that younger latinos are in Obama's camp.  Did you miss how well he did with Latinos in Colorado and New Mexico? That is something to keep in mind as those are two swing states.  The latino vote is not important in Ohio and PA.  

As for Mccain, if you think that he is going to be a friend of latinos, think again. The fact that he is supported by anti-immigrant folks in the party should be of real concern. I ask of you to check out his voting record on Health care, the economy, etc. to learn about the real Mccain and see that he is not for latinos as much as the media would like you to think.  Get over the brown v. black crap and learn about who would be a "real" friend of latinos and blacks. The media wants you to think that McCain brings people together, please do your research as the facts are not there to support such an assumption.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:01:35 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY to Winning the White Hou (none / 0)

My major concern right now is that Hillary does not run with Obama either at the top or the bottom of the ticket. He is poison in the GE and needs to run with someone who has no future like John Kerry. If she does not get the nom she needs to step back let him crash and burn in November and help rebuild the party without the likes of Nancy, Teddy and Kerry in leadership positions so she can run again 2012 against the incumbant McCain. If the Indi's and extreme left of the party want to shove Obama down our throats then they need to accept the outcome of that decision.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:38:03 PM EST

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Are you serious?  How can you rebuild a party when you have lost a 1/3 of the party?  Please do some research.  Also, AA voters are hardly extreme liberals.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:03:46 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY (none / 0)

In some states the AA vote is the key to Democrats success. In others, not so much. AA's are 4.5% of the MN population. There are 3.6% Asian, 3.8% Latino and 1.2% Native American. The AA population tends to be concentrated east of the Mississippi and in the South.

In WA if you add together Asians, Native Americans and Latinos, 17.8%, while AA's are 3.6% of the population. That is virtually 5 times the number of AA voters. In Wyoming if every AA voted twice, it still wouldn't be 2% of the vote.

There are many states that have a relatively small AA population. Even in CA, AA's are 6.7% while Latinos are 35.9% and Asians 12.8%. This really needs to be looked at state by state.


by DaleA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:59:27 PM EST

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The states where this election is going to be decided are the states that have 10% or more AA population.


by kristannab on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:04:46 PM EST
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Re: Why AA support is KEY (none / 0)

From

http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p20- 530.pdf

According to the census, 55% of US AA's live in the South, 19% in the Northeast, 18% in the Midwest and 8% in the West. By place, 55.1% live in central cities, 31% in suburbs and 13.9% are rural or small town. By these figures, the 37% of the overall AA population in the NE and Midwest are the key vote. Democrats don't win in the south despite the huge AA community.

Interestingly, about 1/3 of AA's are under 18 which shows a growing future vote.


by DaleA on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:44:54 PM EST
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