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Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt

by Jonathan Singer, Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:04:43 AM EST

For the second straight month, Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has found itself in the red. Here's The New York Times' Caucus blog (via Greg Sargent):

Despite a strong month of fund-raising in February in which she brought in $35 million, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finished the month essentially in the red, once her campaign's outstanding debts are factored in, as well as her personal loan, according to filings submitted late last night to the Federal Election Commission.

After spending about $31 million in her efforts to keep up with Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton finished February with more than $33 million in cash on hand, but $21.5 million of that is earmarked exclusively for the general election, leaving her with $11.7 million for the primary.

Mrs. Clinton, however, loaned her campaign $5 million earlier this year and she listed $8.7 million in debts to various vendors, making clear why she has not yet paid herself back from her loan.

Doing the math, when you count the debts and obligations owed by Clinton (including to herself), her campaign is about $2 million in the red. Even when Clinton's peronal loan to her campaign is taken out of the mix, the campaign had just a net $3 million in the bank entering the month of March. While these numbers represent an improvement from the previous month, when the Clinton campaign was a net $3.6 million in debt, they still raise questions about the continued viability of the campaign at a time when the delegate math for Clinton is going from bad to worse.

Money isn't everything. Clearly Clinton has been able to have a decent March without replenishing her resources for the fight ahead, stopping Barack Obama from extending his overall pledged delegate lead. But just maintaining the status quo in the delegate race won't likely win the nomination for Clinton. So something is going to have to happen in the Clinton campaign if they're hoping for a different set of results going forward.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Fundraising, Democratic Primaries (all tags)

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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 3)

It was clear Hillary was hurting for cash, because she was pressing the website so much, and the website was frontpaging a donation exhortation.

That said, I don't think you can say it makes a difference unless her PA numbers shift. If she keeps a 20 point lead, then it just goes to show money isn't everything.

(I've always believed money mattered more for Obama, especially earlier on, because people didn't know him.)

by mattw on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:11:07 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

It matters for other reasons. She has a staff to pay, travel expenses, etc.

Money does, after all, make the world go around ;)

I trust Senator Obama.

by GFORD on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:45:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 3)

Well, I'm going on the assumption she'll keep getting some money, even if it's not enough to roll around Scrooge McDuck-style.

by mattw on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:56:52 AM EST
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hehehe (2.00 / 3)

I never see McDuck references anywhere anymore.

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:27:51 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (1.00 / 0)

No she won't. Any supporters of her's should be concerned. She has maxed out her big donors and the little ones are not enough to overtake Obama. Besides, this is OVER.

by tracey webb on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:46:15 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (1.00 / 0)

That's why the money is drying up.

Some don't have money to spare for what looks like a doomed campaign and some won't support a campaign that has crossed the line with statements that prop up McCain against who will likely be the democratic nominee Barack Obama.

Government derives its power from those that it governs.

by lockewasright on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:44:29 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Oh, me thinks you protest too much. Obama's campaign may have more money right now, but it also has a fatal flaw - "God Damn America" and being cozy with the pastor that said it, and continuing to associate with a pastor and Church that says it, is too much for the average American. And, they don't vote in the primaries! But, they do in the GE.

by PracticalMagic on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/22/1994 5/3214#commenttop

You were saying?

LOL!!!!

I'm sorry. I would have replied in a more timely manor but I was receiving heavy sniper fire in Tuzla:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP -c

Government derives its power from those that it governs.

by lockewasright on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:06:48 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

She doesn't have a 20 point lead in PA; she has a 16 point lead. (The fact that that's going to shrink by 5-10 points, I'll leave alone for now.) The fact is that 16 points in PA isn't enough; it isn't nearly enough.

For Hillary to become a viable candidate, which she isn't now, she needs to a) win EACH AND EVERY REMAINING PRIMARY by a minimum of 20 points and b) put a cork in Bill, Mark Penn, and James Carville.

by vermontprog on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:45:23 AM EST
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PA is irrelevant. Money matters (2.00 / 0)

because she has already tapped out her fat cat donors.

PA is irrelevant because she cannot make up for the delegate lead. That is why as a last straw the Clintons are questioning Obama's patriotism. The last refuge of scoundrels, and losing politicians. Or am I being redundant?

by LibDem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:03:22 AM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (2.00 / 2)

The Clintons are questioning his patriotism? No, no, no! America is questioning his patriotism. This is a completely self-inflicted wound.

But I'm glad you brought this up because it should remind everyone -- yet again!--that Obama cannot win the GE.

Give the nom to him and you lose.

by bellarose on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:03:29 AM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (2.00 / 1)

It's been manufactured by Clinton with the MSM and an assist by you. Do you really think Obama does not love this country as much or more than you?

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:52:39 AM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (2.00 / 1)

Do you really believe that the United States is a left-liberal country? The UCC are good folks, but not the mainstream (if they were, gay marriage would be legal in every state). I have to admit I was rather stunned by Rev. Wright's comments, though I was more offended by his use of the pulpit to smear the Clintons on behalf of Obama's campaign than his "God Damn America" speech. (It's one thing to criticize policies that are immoral, like the war or the Katrina thing--but engaging in partisan mud-slinging is a clear violation of the requirement that churches abstain from politics. On top of that is his implication that the Clintons (as white persons) are responsible for the crucification of Jesus and whatever ills currently afflict the black community--I'm sorry, I don't care about the "context," that is disgusting.

by Alice in Florida on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:15:37 AM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (1.00 / 2)

You call it the Katrina thing? Your comment looks like a rather Baroque way of admitting that you have some racist tendencies.

Did you decry Bill Clinton's history of pandering to the very same black churches? Have you seen his photo with Reverend Wright? You know as well as I, that the Clinton's would have been praising him if they thought it would help their chances with the black community. Are you outraged with the endless stream of truly extremist rightwing religious leaders saying all sorts of vile things? I doubt it. Frankly, I think you are being dishonest.

Finally. Do I believe that America is a left leaning country? Hell yes! We are now, after twenty some years of Bushes and Clintons.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:36:21 AM EST
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TR'd (none / 0)

for stretching "the Katrina thing" into evidence of racism.

Shame on you.

by creeper1014 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:49:37 AM EST
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Re: TR'd (none / 0)

Childish response.

Actually I was referring to the whole comment not just the dismissive way Katrina was mentioned.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:07:21 AM EST
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I agree anothergreenbus (2.00 / 0)

Your response to creeper was indeed childish.

This knee-jerk habit some of us seem to have of calling anyone and everyone racist just because they don't agree with your interpretation of everything has GOT to stop. That is what Obama was trying to tell you in his speech, but I guess you weren't listening.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:54:49 PM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (none / 0)

The "not electable" meme which the Clintons are trying to spread - it's shameful.

This meme basically ask you to replace your own view of who you should vote for with your perception of what other people will vote for.

At best it asks you to be sheeps -- not to vote for the best candidate and defend him/her, but to vote for the most popular candidate.

Polls are fickle. If you think that people oughtn't vote Obama because he's bad, that's fine. To ask people not to vote for him because of your magical guesses concerning how other people won't vote for him, that's lame, and it takes away the very meaning of a vote -- votes being the means to indicate your personal preference.

Obama has proven already he can get people to vote for him. He doesn't need your magical guesswork disputing him on that ability. If Hillary was more likely to get people to vote for her, she'd be winning over Obama already. She has not. That shows by itself that Obama's better at campaigning than she is.

If Obama's likely to lose at November, then Clinton who's been losing by him, doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

by Aris Katsaris on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:27:29 PM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (none / 0)

"Give the nom to him and you lose."

Only if Hillary continues to campaign for John McCain until the convention with the HRC Kitchen Sink<sup>TM</sup> ®.

by sharpfork on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:14:31 AM EST
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The DLC will support Senator BombBomb (none / 0)

The DLC would rather see John McCain win than a true Democrat. Sad but true. I am actually happy to see this fault line widening between the real Democrats and the DLC Democrats. The DLC has done too much damage to the Party and they must be brought to heel so that Democrats can actually pursue progressive policies. Hillary's defeat is a step in the right (left) direction.

Will the Clintons come out for McCain? Just watch the Clintons, the Bayhs, et al, follow Lieberman to the dark side. Silver lining? They will get more time on Fox!

How about a McCain/Clinton ticket?

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:56:04 AM EST
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First aim is to win the GE (2.00 / 1)

But a secondary aim is to move the Democratic Party away from the DLC types. In the nineties Clinton did a reasonable job. Time to move on and beyond.

Some of the old machine pols will retire or move to the Republican Party. But the swell of new people coming in will make up for it. This is our time.

Obama-Richardson 2008.

by LibDem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:55:44 PM EST
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Re: First aim is to win the GE (none / 0)

You are definitely more level headed than me. Today I got angry. Thank you.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:08:44 PM EST
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Re: PA is irrelevant. Money matters (1.00 / 0)

Polling shows that most americans do not believe that Barack shares Reverend Wright's views. What you are seeing is filtered through your hopes for Hilary. It is not what the data shows.

It simply hasn't stuck to the degree that Hilary hoped it would. Buh Bye & thanks for playing.

btw, Bill's statement about Hilary and McCain are the candidates that love this country is exactly the type of thing that helps to put another neocon in office which will be seen as positive reinforcement by the GOP as it goes about the stripping of the Bill of Rights. Thanks alot. I hope the SDs move quickly. It's time to silence that type of shit.

Government derives its power from those that it governs.

by lockewasright on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:57:32 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

It's not so much that she has a 16-point lead in PA that matters, but unless she's able to win the rest of the states by that much (impossible) it's over.

Face it, it's over. Please, let's all come together on this and move forward behind Obama.

by itsobamastupid on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:44:22 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Crazy analogy.

Why do you think the other democratic candidates got out? LACK OF FUNDS to fight it through. Even Mitt Romney, looked at his constant check to campaign and said enough is enough.

by tracey webb on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:45:11 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

To put that in perspective, the Clinton Campaign raised over $6 million in the two months following her wins in TX and OH. She also raised over $2 million in the past two days.

I am very curious to see what the numbers look like for March, for both candidates.

by bobbank on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:11:50 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

I'm sorry, I made a typo there. That should read over $6 million in two DAYS after her TX and OH wins. So, I'm confident you'll find that they are not in financial trouble at the moment.

Obama's campaign still outspends her about 2-to-1 on marketing, but she has managed to double her lead in PA and completely erase his lead in NC. So I think they are doing ok.

by bobbank on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:14:58 AM EST
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I'd wait a bit (2.00 / 1)

5 weeks is too far out to tell

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:29:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

First off, PA is a home state for Hillary. She would win it if she does nothing at all, just like Obama in IL or HI.

Secondly the demographics are overwhelmingly the kind she does best in. Obama could overcome that somewhat but there is nothing he can do about her "home girl" status.

by Becky G on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:36:33 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

They love to get excited and claim momentum for wins in states that have the most favorable demographics possible. Hilary's campaign has failed to win ANYWHERE that doesn't have extremely favorable demographics.

Government derives its power from those that it governs.

by lockewasright on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:00:45 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

So now PA does not count? Come on, you Obama people love to make fun of Clinton people when they make silly excuses (sometimes in advance) for losing certain states. How is what you are doing any different? In both cases, it is nothing more or less than sour grapes.

If he's really rolling to an unstoppable primary season victory, the electorate will sense that, and there will be a band-wagon effect. Obama should at least do well in PA - lose by low to mid single digits at worst. If he doesn't, it means the rank and file have not gotten behind him, and the nomination will continue to be contested.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:04:43 PM EST
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PA cannot win Clinton enough delegates (none / 0)

Clinton will PA. It won't help her by gaining enough delegates. Sorry, just the reality.

But Clinton has little to lose by staying in. She is not going to be considered anymore for VP with Obama. And by damaging Obama she enhances her chances with McCain.

Obama-Richardson 2008!

by LibDem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:14:59 PM EST
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Obama is raisng between 2 and 3 million PER DAY (none / 0)

As of 9:07 AM March 22, Obama has received 962,000 individual donations in March. That is an average of 43,727 donations per day (I'm astounded at the rate of growth in per day donations. Yesterday it was just over 42,000).

In February, his average donation was $75. If he has maintained that, his per day haul is $3,279,525. If it dropped to $50, his per day haul is $2,186,850.

Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.

by Walt Starr on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:38:20 AM EST
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Re: Obama is raisng between 2 and 3 million PER DA (none / 0)

WOW

by LibDem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:19:29 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 5)

I like Hillary, but this is getting embarrassing. Money problems, the Bill Richardson defection, no re-votes, super del defections, stubborn delegate math all bode ill for her campaign going forward.

At some point the "Hail Mary" pass grows more remote as an option. Face it, counting on a career-ending scandal for Obama is not exactly the ideal scenario for party unity even if it happens.

When do we stick a fork in her and call her done? When will she recognize reality before reality does it for her?

by manise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:12:16 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

What I find embarassing is Obama's close association with Wright.

If the supers were so convinced of Obama's ability to win in the general election, they would have already jumped to his side.

by mjc888 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:18:28 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 4)

As you may have gathered, the remaining supers are not a decisive bunch. This is ironic in that many here believe that they may rise up in unison and legitimize a particular candidate at the convention.

by rfahey22 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:25:20 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 6)

I think it more likely that the super-delegates are quite content to let these remaining primaries play out because:

(1) The primaries generally appear to be invigorating the party base and pulling new people into the party. Allowing

(2) They don't want to give an appearance of performing a "coup". The math says that Obama has this nomination locked up, but that's not the public perception (largely because the MSM is not widely reporting that story).

So, allowing the primaries to proceed is likely to increase Democratic turnout in November. OTOH, rendering the remaining primaries moot (even if they almost certainly are moot) has the real possibility of creating a backlash that would suppress turnout in the November.

Also:

(3) While it's certainly true that Hillary Clinton's campaign is ripping into Obama, talking about how this is "hurting him" in the general election seems a little misplaced. It's not like the Republican hate-machine is going to go any easier on the guy.

And I say that as an Obama supporter.

If Obama can't weather these attacks now, there's no way he'll be able to weather them 2, 4, or 6 months from now. While I consider the Wright stuff to be a tempest-in-a-teapot with all the meaningful content of attacking Jimmy Carter because his brother Billy was an idiot, I'd still rather see it happening now rather than being stored up by the Rovian machine and trotted out in the middle of October.

(The exception to this is the fact that the Clintons have been practically announcing that they would prefer to see John McCain as president if Obama gets the nomination. Whenever I see another one of these glowing McCain endorsements from Hillary and Bill I have to seriously wonder if they've lost their freakin' minds.)

At the end of the day, though, the candidate who wins the pledged delegate race is almost certainly going to be the nominee. And if that candidate also has the popular vote behind them, then it's a dead-lock certainty they'll be the nominee.

And nothing short of Hillary Clinton turning out to be a man who's spent the last three decades in a secret gay marriage with Bill or Obama secretly being a member of the KKK who has spent his entire life wearing black-face is going to change that.

www.thealexandrian.net

by Justin Alexander on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:05:26 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 7)

You're argument is logical and sounds quite plausible, but I think it misses an important distinction. The Right is going to attack Obama just as hard, or harder than Clinton has, but in the General, that will happen in the context of a choice between Obama and McCain. In the Primary, Clinton's only strategy at this point is to make Obama unelectable, period. If he's facing McCain, anything being thrown at him will be seen in the context of a choice between the two. If the Clinton campaign keeps going with this "Kitchen Sink" strategy, voters will be treated to plenty of reasons to vote against Obama, and none of those reasons will be tempered by people's concerns about McCain, or Republicans in general.

And this says nothing about the fact that everyday McCain is allowed to stand unchallenged, the less time Obama has to cut into specific advantages as a candidate.

http://www.yawnmccain.com

by enozinho on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:32:56 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

I think the opposite is true.

The growing buzz in the big media outfits here in NYC is that you ain't seen NOTHING yet in terms of the material Obama is going to have thrown at him after he gets the nomination, and that Hillary's team are featherweights in testing him on Wright, Rezko or Kenya, because for them its a two-edged sword.

So between now and the nomination, he seems to have a real chance to get the better points about himself across more widely. Right after... two points a week drop in the polls?

More open buzz is that the Republicans are increasingly REALLY wanting to go against Obama. You can hear that on cable now, several times a night. Keep asking why.

by Fast Pete on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:42:13 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

You could also say that the right seems to be attacking Obama more furiously. You might ask YOURSELF why?

by thurst on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:47:41 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

They can't help themselves. Subtlety was never their strong point. They ~~hate~~fear blacks and it just comes out without thinking.

by creeper1014 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:58:42 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

So why don't you start defending your (most likely) democratic candidate from this crap? Because if you can't then get out of our party and start defending Senator BombBomb.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:01:13 AM EST
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gee greenie (none / 0)

you sure know how to make allies

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:11:21 PM EST
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So does Clinton: (none / 0)

"At a town meeting here Saturday, retired Air Force Gen. Merrill A. McPeak, who is a co-chairman of Mr. Obama's campaign, read the quote from Mr. Clinton. A few members of the audience gasped and hissed at the former president's words."

"Let me say first, we will have such an election this year because both Barack Obama and John McCain are great patriots who love this country and are devoted to it -- so is Hillary Clinton," General McPeak said, speaking over loud applause. "Any suggestion to the contrary is flat wrong."

Tell me why the leading Democratic candidate has to put up with this from a former Democratic president?

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:16:07 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 8)

The supers are jumping, but not en masse...yet. The Bill Richardson endorsement is not a good sign.

The Wright scandal recedes from the headlines with each passing day. It's not the silver bullet that Clinton supporters want or need. And if they were truly honest with themselves, they wouldn't be hoping for Hillary to win by scandal default.

Only a mass defection of super-delegates could make any difference, and even then at what price? Would Obama's core supporters see that as fair? No Clinton supporter can expect automatic support from the black community and others.

The end is near for Hillary. Most people looking at the battlefield with any objectivity or rational viewpoint know its almost over. Que the dirge music.....

by manise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:31:20 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

"The Wright scandal recedes from the headlines with each passing day."

But tick tick tick...

Please see my comment above about the buzz in the NYC media outfits. It ain't defused by a long shot.

by Fast Pete on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:49:41 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

Wishful thinking. It is going away and every where Obama speaks these days he's met by the same excited hordes of people, filling whatever venue he's in. Beyond PA he wins most states and Hillary knows it.

by Becky G on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:41:52 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

Few things are sadder in politics than watching people try to get everyone interested in an old scandal after everyone else has moved on.

Wright peaked last week. Obama has mostly regained the points he lost in the polls and 85% of the population thinks it's not a big deal.

What needed to happen was the next step - either clips of Obama at one of the sermons in question or Obama engaging in some tirade. When that didn't the next step for a bored press is the, "So, was this story so bad after all," stage. CNN is starting to give context which makes the clips look not so bad.

It's the law of scandal inertia. Once scandals start to peter out, candidates tend to move back to where they were beforehand. Wright was a blow, but doesn't seem to be the deal killer that Clinton needed. What sucks is that we COULD have been spending this week talking about McCain's screw up.

Beat McCain!

by thezzyzx on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:58:56 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

In the end, that is not what is going to be a deciding factor in electing a president. Democrats need to stop being afraid of a scandal or rouge surrogate and fucking fight. What can the Republicans POSSIBLY offer America? Think about it? Absoulutely NOTHING. Folks are hurting out here and it is not funny. This is directly related on George W. Bush. Let the Republicans use the Wright incident, and they will be left looking like a racist, old ass party, which they TOTALLY ARE. The country wants change and it is not the Republican Party.

by tracey webb on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:51:00 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

> What can the Republicans POSSIBLY offer America?

The same things they offer in every election. No matter who is our nominee, the Republicans will offer scandal and distraction and fear. In this, they will have the full cooperation of the news media, not only because they are corporate entities who benefit from Republican rule, but because scandal and distraction and fear glue eyeballs to the screen.

I agree that Democrats should be prepared to fight.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:22:39 PM EST
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I like the sports analogy (2.00 / 7)

To me it seems like the end of a basketball game when a team is trailing by like 8 points. There is about a minute left and they start fouling. They are stopping the clock, but they keep giving the other team points. In the end, they often end up losing by more than if they had just played it out the normal way.

It seems to me Hillary keeps fouling, the GOP keeps gaining points, and the Clinton legacy loses a little more by the week.

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:22:06 AM EST
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thats a goodie. n/t (2.00 / 2)

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:31:13 AM EST
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Re: I like the sports analogy (2.00 / 1)

The end of the basketball game will be June. It is still March now. This is more like the middle of the third quarter of a game.

by bluestatedude on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:13:31 AM EST
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Legacy (none / 0)

I am one of many (who has been a strong supporter of the Clintons over the years) watching in dismay their craven quest for the White House. I hope they concede soon and do it with dignity. Even if they actually think Obama is vulnerable, it's time to show their metal and their commitment to the Democratic Party.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:14:16 AM EST
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Re: Legacy (none / 0)

Think about the legacy of your comments. You want these people to be your allies, so to get them on your side, you call their candidate craven, and question her mettle (yes, that is how the word is spelled) and her commitment to the Democratic party.

If you are a Republican mole, you are doing a good job driving a wedge through the Democratic activists who read this site. Otherwise, please consider the effects of the statements you have been making throughout this thread.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:31:36 PM EST
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Look it up. (none / 0)

Actually, both are used. Look it up.

by anothergreenbus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:08:38 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

How about recognizing that Obama has failed to reach a decisive majority by April? It's not like it was a big surprise that it would come down to Obama v. Clinton; that's been the conventional wisdom for at least a year, ever since his stunning performance in the first round of the "money primary" in 2007. Why is someone who proclaimed to be the overwhelming favorite having such a hard time wrapping things up? I would have been ready to support him last month if he could have just won at least one decent-sized state on March 4--which is to say, won more votes in the primary than Clinton. What is so hard about that? The "3AM" ad should have turned people off--at the very least it was ripe for satire (does Hillary really wear a business suit at 3AM?)--yet all we got from the Obama camp was whining about Clinton playing the "fear" card. Did Obama take out ads saying "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"? Apparently, his whole answer was to go on about his 2002 speech again.

I'll support Obama if he is the nominee, but it would be nice to hear why traditional Democrats (besides African Americans) should support him, rather than the "inevitability" argument. And the "unique opportunity" and "once in a lifetime" stuff doesn't cut it.

Finally, I would note that "stick a fork in _" is very, very unhelpful. Here's an idea--let's see how the last round of primaries goes. These states hardly ever get to matter--how about Obama gets out there and wins instead of just writing off the ones that don't fit his demographic profile? That is the way to end this.

by Alice in Florida on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:55:26 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

So what you are saying is that Obama is weak because he hasn't put Clinton away but Clinton is strong because of it?

This narrative doesn't make any sense. They are both very strong candidates- I am not surprised AT ALL that it has gone this far. But he does have a moderate lead by every meaningful metric except number of Super-delegates, and her lead in that is shrinking almost daily.

It has nothing to do with inevitability, or the once in a lifetime opportunity (especially since Hillary would also be a once in a lifetime opportunity,) it has to do with him building what amounts to an insurmountable lead and that WE need to be focusing on the GOP and McCain rather than each other.

I also find it ironic that you complain about Obama writing off states when the Clinton campaign has basically said that every state he has won doesn't matter in one way or another.

I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.

by JDF on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:47:37 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 0)

What is the point of allocating so much to the GE when it is needed for the primary? I don't understand the strategy here.

by rfahey22 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:15:34 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 3)

As I understand it, the $11M is from the same folks who maxed out for the primaries. Anything over the max/individual has to be held for the GE.

by susanWAstate on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:37:08 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

They have no choice, it's about maxed-out donors.

by Shaun Appleby on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:37:33 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign (2.00 / 0)

Everybody knows math is sexist. Stop talking about it.

by obamania on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:17:25 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign (none / 0)

Last time I checked, 1,622 is not greater than or equal to 2,024.

by mjc888 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:20:02 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign (2.00 / 5)

Huckabee said the same thing. He would stay in until McCain got the required number of delegates. He was good to his word and dropped out when that happened.

If that is what Clinton is waiting for, I wish she would come right out and say so instead of saying Feb 5 will be decisive, then TX and OH will be decisive and now PA will be decisive. It makes it look like she keeps moving the goalpost.

I trust Senator Obama.

by GFORD on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:51:30 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign (2.00 / 1)

Huckabee did everything in his power to support McCain against Romney. Once Romney was out, Huck stayed in, but he hardly came down hard on McCain and no one took him seriously as a candidate in major coverage.

The math is just as bad for Hillary, money too. But unlike Huck, she's in it to win it -- for McCain.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:02:20 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 4)

The real question is: will a PA win keep her campaign afloat or is it all downhill? I'm an Obama supporter but I think I can be objective about campaigns. The Clinton Campaign has little to no grass roots and is bleeding at the grass tops. Meanwhile the Obama ground game just hums along. The enthusiasm for Obama is constantly regenerating itself. For every tired, burned out campaigner (like me) there are 10 new ones.

I actually think Clinton can survive into PA. Obama will outspend Clinton but I'm not convinced the Obama ads will be effective.

Does a narrow win in PA, even a solid 10 point win change the game? No. Something big needs to happen for Clinton to make it a race again. Really big, much bigger than some old clips of a worked up preacher. This is Obama's to lose. There is still time for it to be turned around but I just don't quite see how it happens.

by howardpark on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:19:27 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

In the 2004 election it was the Democrats to lose- and they did. They can do it again and again and again and have so. Gore should have been our candidate again in 2004...the worst they could say about him was "Gore the Bore" because this man ran an exlempary life- but alas he has found his calling and the president isn't it. He WOULD have been the cadidate in 2004 had Lieberman not stabbed him in the back and stopped him from running.
Nothing is over till it's over and right now I think the Senatorial races are much more important.

by Justwords on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:25:18 AM EST
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Remember... (2.00 / 1)

Hillary is experienced and she has the answers for America's money problems.

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:19:35 AM EST

Re: Remember... (none / 0)

...just not answers for her own money problems...

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:04:44 AM EST
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and yet won more votes in March (2.00 / 2)

Despite being out of money and dramatically outspent by Obama she still managed to win more votes in March.

Hence the barrage of Rovish 'the math!' statements, or 'it's over!' from the Obama campaign. They know they can't beat her among the voters, so they keep trying to end the campaign before the votes are counted. This is the fifth time they've tried to declare this over, and after each time they get beat worse. They gin their over-hyped machine up between each set of primaries, but she keeps coming.

The flashy hare is zipping all over the place but getting no-where, the tortoise is in it to the finish line.

by souvarine on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:22:44 AM EST

Re: and yet won more votes in March (2.00 / 2)

Obama can't beat Clinton among the voters? I know 704,000 people who beg to differ.

I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland

by alvernon on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:38:04 AM EST
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Re: and yet won more votes in March (none / 0)

And I know 2.5 million right back at ya.

by souvarine on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:42:19 AM EST
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Re: and yet won more votes in March (none / 0)

At this point, she got about 225,000 more votes than he did in March, but we probably have to wait until Mar 29 to find out how the 1 million Texas caucus voters voted. I suspect her lead will drop for March.

As for being dramatically outspent, so far this year Clinton has spent an average of $9.60 per vote while Obama has spent an average of $10.80 per vote. This doesn't seem that dramatic to me. Perhaps in MARCH alone the difference was greater, but that level of precision is virtually impossible to detect by looking at FEC filings, plus then you'd have to know how any early Texas votes were in February, etc.

by TheWinch on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:14:48 AM EST
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All I can say is thank God that Barack Obama is 47 and not 57 or 67. When all is said and done, he will have taken on the establishment, a popular former President, the 24-hour news cycle, the Right-Wing Noise Machine, and a former POW/war hero.

Keep eating your Wheaties Barack.

http://www.yawnmccain.com

by enozinho on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:25:13 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

anyone know what mccain eats? that man is almost 72, and has priobably been aged to about 110, between being tortured and his years as a senator, a job that has been shown to age a person. does his diet keep him (sort of) youthful? his genes, or some other secret?

mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.

by Doug Tuttle on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:36:55 AM EST
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Young - no way (2.00 / 3)

McCain looks and sounds like a dottering, senile fool to me.

by susanWAstate on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:40:54 AM EST
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Re: Young - no way (2.00 / 1)

but he could be even MORE senile. i'm not saying he's bill clinton circa 92 young, but anyone else would barely be standing.

mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.

by Doug Tuttle on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43:35 AM EST
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Re: Young - no way (2.00 / 3)

Well, God knows what a good PR strategy and a pliant media can do for you in that department. Just ask FDR and Ronald Reagan.

Know why he says "my friends" so much during his speeches? Because he doesn't know who he's addressing or where he is!

http://www.yawnmccain.com

by enozinho on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:56:26 AM EST
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What are Obama's numbers with the same criteria? (none / 0)

How much did he raise?

How much is marked for the general election?

How much did he spend?

How much does he have on hand?

Without context, the post is meaningless propaganda.

by Misanthrope2 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:27:08 AM EST

Re: What are Obama's numbers with the same criteri (2.00 / 1)

The Obama campaign had $31 million in the bank going into the month.

My Direct Democracy

by Jonathan Singer on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:31:47 AM EST
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Propaganda diarist's working overtime today... (2.00 / 1)

Bottom line was stated earlier in this comment thread...

1,622 is not greater than or equal to 2,024.

And, the bottom line in the piece posted by this diarist on MyDD earlier today, commenting about the supposed morale story in the Clinton campaign, was in fact the most important quote within that piece on Politico, and not even mentioned by this diarist in their diary on MyDD earlier today...this little conveniently forgotten gem (which totally changes the context of the story as this diarist portrayed it, and clearly misquoted it earlier, too):

This issue [Wright] is the first thing that's come along that I think is potentially fatal to his electability argument," the strategist said.

This is the same strategist whom this diarist portrayed as saying it was all but curtains for HRC earlier today. Too bad he left this sentence out of that earlier piece, huh?

Yep, diarist, I'm just shaking in my pants now. The last primary isn't until June 3rd. At that point, it'll be clear that neither candidates has enough delegates to claim a victory. But, keep on trying with these mind games. I'm sure they're (dis)affecting a few more HRC folks!

by bobswern on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:13:16 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

Wow, you really keep trying to push the story that she should give up, Mr. Singer.

You need to get used to the idea that it's not going to happen.

by cc on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:33:43 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 3)

You want a convention floor fight...is that your idea of a successful endgame for either candidate?

by manise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:39:14 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

If you can't respect the votes of 13 Million people enough to allow their candidate to run the race until the end then yes absolutely. If a convention floor fight is what it takes to win then let's do it. If the Wright story doesn't kill Obama what would that say about America?

Voices in the Wilderness

by Wiseprince on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:21:59 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Look, a lot of people voted for Romney too. Did you think he should stay in until the end for that reason? Or John Edwards? No, candidates have to drop out at some point and it doesn't matter in the least how many people voted for them before they did.

by Becky G on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:48:22 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Hardly anybody (relatively speaking) voted for Romney--he only won his "home" states. There's a big difference between also-rans and someone is who is almost even going into the final round.

How about we wait until the primaries are over before we decide? That's not so long, really, and there will then be about two months before the convention for things to be straightened out. The Obama campaigns calls for Clinton to drop out now seem designed to avoid an embarassing loss in PA next month...maybe they should work on trying to win PA instead of minimizing its importance.

by Alice in Florida on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:02:50 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Edwards was at 15% nationally when he dropped out. Not the same situation we have here.

by bluestatedude on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:06:42 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

What would that say about America? That it's more intelligent than you expect it to be.

by Aris Katsaris on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:47:56 PM EST
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I'd rather have a convention fight (none / 0)

I'd rather have a convention fight than letting Obama sail through so he can lose in a landslide vs. McCain. At least with a convention fight there is a chance of beating McCain (with HRC). This is the choice we are facing now.

by bluestatedude on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:05:30 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

The punctuation on the main post is a little confusing. It looks as if maybe you're saying that she stopped Obama from extending his overall delegate lead in March, but that is clearly not true -- he did extend his delegate lead this month.

The fight ahead for her is to keep him from extending it even further, an unlikely outcome but not contrary to established facts.

I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland

by alvernon on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:34:00 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

Keep whining boys. Maybe one day your hysteria to get her to quit will work.

But not anytime soon.

In the meantime your anointed hero continues his free fall in major states. (You know the ones that will actually matter in the GE.) Similarly he's dropping like a rock in states he previously won like Missouri. Not that any of you really seem to give a damn about actually winning in November. You would much rather be smugly right in your hatred of the Clintons.

Though I suppose we should take heart. The greater your hysteria, the better it means she must be doing. I remember this game right before Ohio and Texas.

As for Richardson, yawn. Wow he really must care for Obama to have sat out both New Mexico and Texas. Or maybe he just needed that extra bit of money to retire his campaign debt.

by cath on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:38:05 AM EST

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No matter what the polls say in Missouri or PA or elsewhere, the delegate math keeps moving in Obama's direction. If you get your miracle and the delegates pivot to Clinton, she loses much of the black vote in a spasm of bitterness. Right or wrong, that will happen.

by manise on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:44:30 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

No actually polls consistently show that AAs will support her if she has the nomination. That will not change despite the fondest hopes of the blogosphere.

Given the ineptness of how the Obama situation handled the Wright fall out, however, that is not the converse if he gets the nomination. The lunch bucket Dems will desert the party in droves.

That is also likely of the Hispanic vote in the Western states because they do not see him as an experienced leader. Not to mention many of Florida dems Florida who rightfully see him as disenfranchsing them.

Math games with delegates aren't going to save his nomination. Or if it does - though that is a meaningless lie (note how Kerry/Richardson/Kennedy ignore the will of voters in their states - it will destroy the party.

by cath on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:51:28 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 2)

"Given the ineptness of how the Obama situation handled the Wright fall out . . ."

What about the ineptness of Clinton? She had every advantage; name recognition, money, Democratic insiders, the idea that she was inevitable, etc., etc., and she blew it all.

She went in the inevitable nominee and is now the inevitable loser. That's what I call inept.

Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.

by SFValues on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:58:16 AM EST
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Ouch. (2.00 / 1)

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:34:30 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 1)

Its called front-runner syndrome. She got beat up early; Barack gets beat up now.

Not nearly enough commented upon, or studied for that matter: How competing campaigns bounce around within a Hegelian dialectic. Yin, yang, yin, yang...

Or put another way: it ain't ever over till it's over.

by Fast Pete on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:20:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

The last poll in Ohio showed her only getting 47% of the black vote in Ohio and 53% in Florida.

by Toddwell on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:02:33 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Isn't 47% great since she only got ~10-20% of the black votes in other places?

Thanks for the update, Mr. Singer. I am going over to http://www.hillaryclinton.com to donate!

by observer11 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:21:36 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (2.00 / 3)

47% AA vote for a Democrat is horrible. It is impossible to win a General election without at least 85% of the AA vote.

Go check the results from 2004, 2000, 1996 and 1992. Gore and Kerry got more than 85% and still lost, although they were close. You can't win Pennsylvania without carrying Philadelphia and its suburbs by less than 300 - 350k votes, and that vote plurality comes from African American voters. Same thing applies to Michigan/Detroit, Missouri/St. Louis, Minnesota/Minneapolis and every single close State.

A Democrat who wins only 50% of the AA vote is going to be on the wrong side of an electoral college vote massacre.

by johnnyappleseed on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:32:39 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

I love the assumption that those AA numbers wouldn't change for the GE. They will, and to think otherwise is ridiculous. And, frankly, it's insulting to AA voters. You might as well say that they'll only vote for a black person, which is absolutely untrue.

If you want to see an electoral college vote massacre, you'll enjoy what happens in November after 3-4 months of Wright god-damning America, Michelle Obama talking about how she's finally proud of her country, Rezko, and heaven knows what else. Not to mention the debates, where McCain will call bullshit on Obama's rhetoric. Oh, and remember the Ford ads from 2006? You'll see those again somewhere - or everywhere.

I'm not saying that Clinton would win the GE either, but there's more to this election than winning the nomination - it's really about who can win in November, and Obama has a lot of negatives going into a GE.

by mlr701 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:02:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

They both have lots of negatives.

by SocialDem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:26:36 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Agree with mir701 above.

First, not every AA is too thrilled with Wright.

Some already feel betrayed by what they see as Obama's faux come-togetherness, tin ear, and that speech.

Yesterday I heard it remarked here in NYC that Martin Luther King is the majority hero among AAs. Not Malcolm X.

Second, anything up to a majority of votes are cast AGAINST candidates or issues.

They'll like McCain's economic promises a lot less than Hillary's.

by Fast Pete on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:34:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt (none / 0)

Most black people think the Wright affair was a racist attack on Obama by the white-dominated MSM.

And they are right.

by Gimmeliberty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:38:53 AM EST
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Rezco / Wright - Won't matter (none / 0)

But Iraq and a recession will. Obama is going to tie them together and throw it around McCain's neck and let him sink with them.

by johnnyappleseed on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:58:57 AM EST
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Typical White Woman (2.00 / 1)

What percentage of the typical white woman vote do you need to win the General?

I have a feeling that once Obama replayed over and over suggesting that the typical white woman is afraid of black people they may feel like voting for John McCain who is, as much as we may want to paint him as, no George Bush. He is against torture, he will shut down Gitmo and he won't go into Iran simply because he wants to bring about end time prophecies

Voices in the Wilderness

by Wiseprince on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:26:49 AM EST
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Re: Typical White Woman (none / 0)

Yeah, good to finally remember (especially this far down in the thread!!) that women's votes now invariably exceed ALL men's votes, often by a large margin.

And from hearsay around here (NYC) it is the women who are now softening fast on Barack. Polls should be interesting on this.

Let us count the reasons... He sure seems to have done a lot to offend them. My wife has gone from loving the guy to r