BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!!

Well, actually, we've seen these clips before. But strangely enough, we've never seen what was said before the offending clips and afterward. Oh the irony of "self-examination." Watch the whole clips and you'll see what I mean.

On the "Chickens Coming Home to Roost"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeo yQ&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/stor y/2008/3/20/224958/631/841/481227

On the "God Damn America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6 Lw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/stor y/2008/3/20/224958/631/841/481227

They're still fiery. They're still controversial. But they look a whole lot less incendiary and inflammatory when seen whole.



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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 1)

Damage is done. It does not matter. Republicans can care less about context. They will use it against him and it will hurt.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:26:02 AM EST

there, there (2.00 / 0)

chicken little.

How about you stand up and fight instead of of surrendering to "Republicans will win".


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:29:58 AM EST
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Re: there, there (2.00 / 0)

facepalm

Another typical democrat afraid of the republicans.  The minute they try to put up an ad of Wright, there will be an ad of Hagee professing America deserved Katrina or Catholics are "the great whores". I am sick and tired of feckless, spineless democrats who bend at the republicans.  Man up and fight for your party or join the Green party if you lack testicular fortitude.  


by rejectandenounce on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:19:00 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Not necessarily. No election has happened yet since the Wright clips were played. If the media gets a handle of these longer versions, they will start to fill out some of the gaps.

At the very least, those of us in the Democratic Party can see that Obama was not attending the church of some despicable anti-American bigot. And we'll be better armed to fight back.

This story only broke a week ago. That's a long time in modern politics. But the next primary is four weeks away, and the general election is eight months away. It isn't too late.


by elrod on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:34:34 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, too little too late, sadly.  Obama is damaged goods, and so are we Democrats.  This sucks.


by easyE on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:44:23 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Damaged goods? What the hell? A little controversy and you're ready to roll over and die?

Cue Eeyore: "Oh well, Obama's preacher has screwed us over. Again. Now the whole Democratic party is tarnished with no way to recover."

Screw that. Fight, dammit! "This sucks"?!? Give me a break. If you honestly believe that this one controversy or this one candidate has cost us the election, why the hell are you wasting your time reading a political blog? We can't change the country unless we change the country.

A defeatist attitude gets us nothing.


by not Brit on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:15:06 AM EST
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I don't get the diary title. (2.00 / 1)

Why not call this diary -

"Extended Wright Clips Show Context of Controversial Comments."

Or something like that.  I realize that your Breaking title helps get attention, but not a word of the diary title is accurate, as you admit yourself in the opening line of the diary.


by KevinCinNYC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:31:21 AM EST

Re: I don't get the diary title. (1.66 / 3)

It's called irony.


by elrod on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:32:27 AM EST
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Re: I don't get the diary title. (2.00 / 1)

Maybe it's sarcasm.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:33:10 AM EST
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Re: I don't get the diary title. (2.00 / 0)

It's accurate.  

With the exception of the thirty seconds that are repeated in a loop, most of this is new.  And, more importantly, it's important!  Context matters.  


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:37:50 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Here is the much talked about Hope sermon.  The title may have been used by BHO but the content is different than his book.  Even so, the sermon isn't nutty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rl MU

Also, it turns out that Wright isn't always claiming that AIDS is Tuskegee part II.  In fact, he is a force for good on this issue, see for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncgG5Bic -0


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:33:08 AM EST

Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely, this is the way it goes elrod.

Context changes everything. The media changes everything. It is not fair, it is not informed and it is not nice. You might be surprised to learn that I kinda like Rev. Wright, and often agree with him. I'm not running for anything so I have no problem saying that the US has perpetrated a long list of crimes against the peoples of this globe, and continues to do so. I'm not a firey African American minister, so I don't give voice to my thoughts nearly as well as he does, but I understand where he is coming from.

Anyway, that's not the point in a presidential campaign. Reality hardly matters at all.

Think of the "Dean Scream." That was all it took. Ten seconds of video, out of context and with a shotgun amplified mic.

They don't play fair. You just have to be perfect. Even then they will make stuff up.

Cold politics. Rev. Wright was a liability. Obama knew it. He needed to shed--defuse the problem before he got into a critical phase of his candidacy and he didn't. Now he is screwed. This is a tactical problem. This is an Axelrod screwup. Lately the campaign has been making many fatal errors. Disenfranchising MI and FL in order to stiff the states and steal the nomination, but lose the election is perhaps their biggest screw-up. They are looking weak and scared and sneaky. That's no way to drive into the general election.

By not taking on potential problems until they break on Fox News the Obama campaign is showing themselves to be what they are...amateurs way out of their league. The creek is rising, and they don't look like very good swimmers.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:38:45 AM EST

Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Nonsense. Sooner or later, progressives will need to learn to fight back against the kind of character assasination you describe. Rather than point fingers, I'd argue it's imperative for the progressive movement AS A WHOLE to figure out how to pushback and defuse these kinds of attacks. If it's not Obama they're taking down, it will be Hillary.


by animated on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:44:04 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 2)

It is both. You are just starting to feel the heat because it is directed at your candidate for the first time.

Here's an exercise. Try pretending you are a Clinton supporter and watch just one episode of Hardball, then watch Olbermann.

If you do this honestly--remember you have to pretend you really are a Hillary supporter--then you will get some idea of the shit storm that any Democrat is going to face in the fall.

The question is: Who can weather the storm and win?


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:56:54 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (none / 0)

It's an exercise I don't need to do, because I totally agree with you - there was/is a huge bias against Clinton on MSNBC, and I've said so often on this site. CNN and ABC I'm not so sure.

What I'm not sure I buy into is this idea that Clinton will "weather the storm." Sure, she survived the 90s, and that's admirable, but where was she gonna go - she was First Lady, not up for election. Her ability to weather anything in electoral terms in yet to be seen, she could well lose the election.


by animated on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:13:40 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (none / 0)

" it's imperative for the progressive movement AS A WHOLE to figure out how to pushback and defuse these kinds of attacks. "

I find it particularly offensive and ironic that now Obama supporters are asking the entire progressive movement to defend Obama on the basis of "context!" after they systematically took the words of Geraldine Ferraro, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and others completely out of context and totally misrepresented those brief excerpts to mean something entirely unmeant, and blast those progressives as "racist". Yes, context is everything.

Please do not expect me or other Clinton supporters to go to bat for your candidate, who chose to play hard ball and go nuclear with the racism charges, thereby stabbing old friends in the back. It is only fair that the same tactics will be used effectively against Obama by the Republicans, who have no allegiance whatsoever to him, and want only to destroy him.

I and others warned Obama supporters not to burn bridges with old friends who have been there for the civil rights movement since it's inception. Burning bridges backfires big time. You are reaping what you have sown. The bridges are gone.

If you stab friends in the back then they are not there to help you later. Vicious and ruthless destruction of your friends for short term gain is unwise.

Good luck introducing "context" to the "God d@#m America narrative. Keep the subject up front and center in the media, and watch your polls drop further and further as that message is driven home to more and more people.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:05:14 AM EST
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We make perception (2.00 / 0)

In the past, I'd agree with your pessimism. But in this blog age, we make a difference. We email friendly media outlets (I know HRC supporters don't like Keith Olbermann much these days, but he's the guy would run this story). Then he'd have Howard Fineman, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and even Joe Scarborough commenting. Then other media outlets would pick it up: hey there's more to these videos! It was Fox News and Brian Ross at ABC that bought the videos. Nobody else did. So now the other outlets want to get in on this and show that other media outlets have treated this story with the old-fashioned totalitarian ellipse. (Mao's China used to pull this crap all the time and take perfectly innocent statements and make them look treasonous).

This isn't too late.


by elrod on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:53:42 AM EST
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Re: We make perception (2.00 / 1)

They are only your friends now because they want Obama to get the nomination so that they can crush him in the fall.

Mind you, I don't include Keith and Rachel in this grand right wing media conspiracy, they are just simple dillusional pawns. But, the others know on which side their bread is buttered.

Imagine what a heroic figure John McCain will be to Chris Matthews in another couple months. The thought of all those years in prison is certainly going to make Tweety's leg tingle.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:02:01 AM EST
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Re: We make perception (2.00 / 0)

Oh c'mon. There's obviously no "grand right-wing conspiracy" to make Obama the nominee. If there was, they would have dropped the Wright thing in October.

I DO believe there is an effort by conservatives to make the Democratic race as close as possible. That's why they are hitting Obama NOW and urging Republicans to vote for Hillary. A muddied race and a clusterfuck in Denver is the optimal outcome for the Republicans, because it would provide the most lasting damage to the Democrats. Obama securing the nomination now is the last thing they want.


by animated on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:08:41 AM EST
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Yes there is... (2.00 / 2)

They are terrified by Clinton, because they have used everything they have against her already. They have lots of dry powder on Obama. The Wright thing was just impossible to sit on any longer.

Anyway, I didn't expect you to agree with me, just sit back and watch.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:13:32 AM EST
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Re: Yes there is... (2.00 / 0)

I am watching right now, and I don't see Fox News helping Obama secure the nomination. The opposite, in fact.

But, as you say, maybe there is some kind of grand master plan I am not seeing.


by animated on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:20:25 AM EST
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If they're so terrified of Clinton... (none / 0)

... why do Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter want you to vote for her?


by kraant on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:25:14 AM EST
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Re: If they're so terrified of Clinton... (2.00 / 1)

Haven't you seen Princess Bride?  

Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:28:30 AM EST
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Re: If they're so terrified of Clinton... (2.00 / 1)

It's the old double back flip. You going to do anything Rush tells you to?

Honestly, I don't know. These grand conspiracies are not an exact science.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:38:14 AM EST
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Re: We make perception (none / 0)

"I DO believe there is an effort by conservatives to make the Democratic race as close as possible. That's why they are hitting Obama "

They are slamming this hard because it damages ALL Democrats, not just Obama. It weakens all our chances come November. The Wright videos have made an indelible impression on Americans, most of whom see them very negatively, and will not forget them.

Now all those independents and Republicans disenchanted with Bush and the war will come safely home to vote for McCain, when they view the loyal friend of Reverend Wright as their Democratic alternative.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:11:14 AM EST
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Re: We make perception (2.00 / 0)

The impression is not indelible once the American people are told they've been lied to about them. The "Chickens" line was a quote from Amb. Peck. It looks a LOT different this way. And it vindicates Obama against all those people who thought he had "sat and listened to anti-American bigotry for 20 years." Nobody in good conscience can say that anymore.

It also reinforces Obama's excellent speech on race that got rave reviews from many Independents and Republicans. The still-nagging question they may have had about Wright - why did Obama have to remain loyal to this guy? - is easily answered in these fuller videos. Wright still looks angry and fiery. But he doesn't look like a deranged bigot. This will make a big difference.


by elrod on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:22:24 AM EST
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Re: We make perception (none / 0)

"The impression is not indelible once the American people are told they've been lied to about them. "

You don't seem to realize how very few people will follow the discussion beyond watching those 3 minute Wright videos, before deciding they don't want to know anymore than that.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:01:20 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Wow, the 9/11 one is particularly mind boggling as to how 180 degrees misleading the media was with the clip they used.

A mostly soft-spoken sermon about giving peace a chance, and the one fiery voiced part, which is the clip the media extracted, is actually Wright quoting an Ambassador he'd seen on Fox News... if clip the media had been using including 15 seconds more at the start OR at the end that would have been made perfectly clear to their viewers and this clip would have lost all its incendiary value...

I'm going to assume this was sheer laziness on the part of the MSM and not outright malice (they ran the clip provided them and never checked the source for context), but they're still completely responsible for what they air.  They owe TUCC, Wright and their viewers a huge apology on that one.


by moreperfectunion on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:39:19 AM EST

Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

No, it was outright malice -- especially in Fox's case.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:51:56 AM EST
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So those quotes are lifted completely (2.00 / 2)

out of their context.

In the one case "God Damn America" is ACTUALLY "God Damn America is the government tries to act as if it is superior to God" (Not a statement I agree with, but certainly a statement that is far and away more benign than some of the absolute shit spewing out of the pie-holes of Falwell, Hagee, Graham, Phelps and their sickening ilk).

And in the other case "America's Chickens are coming home to roost" is a QUOTE from a former Ambassador that Wright saw on FOX News.

Now, am I surprised that the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers on the Crazed Right Wing are using this? Not a bit.

But I AM surprised that Joe Wilson, McCaulliffe, and any number of other Clinton supporters and surrogates are using it to try and sway super delegates and local committees.

It is one thing to fight, and fight hard - Clinton has every right to fight for the nom. But this? Against one of our own, and in this way?

Bad, bad juju.


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:51:06 AM EST

Re: So those quotes are lifted completely (none / 0)

"It is one thing to fight, and fight hard - Clinton has every right to fight for the nom. But this? Against one of our own, and in this way?"

Nonsense, Clinton has never used this in the slightest way. Don't even go there. We've had enough of Clinton being wrongly blamed for attacks on Obama from the right. You need friends now, don't go even further burning your bridges. You have very few left, anyway.

Every Democratic campaign has to figure out how to distance from Wright now. Every Democrat. We are all being damaged by this scandal, not just Obama. He brought this damage on our house, and every Democrat has a right and obligation to distance from it as best we can, to save the party in November.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:17:24 AM EST
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Re: So those quotes are lifted completely (2.00 / 0)

You are wrong.

Here: Chris Bowers reports

Joe Wilson perpetuates the slime

In both cases, Clinton supporters both closely affiliated with and adjunct to her campaign are using (as are YOU) a falsely constructed, baseless, and VILE smear that requires the use of extremely out-of-context and completely false constructions to make any sense as an "attack". Geraldine Ferraros comments were what they were, and need not be taken out of context to be considered less than useful. The same goes for Samantha Powers, btw.

Every Democratic Campaign does NOT have to "figure out out to distance themselves from Wright" -- rather, ANY democrat has to figure out that, GOSH, his words were twisted, taken out of context, misquoted and are being FALSELY USED AS A MEANS TO SMEAR A DEMOCRAT.

Surprise.


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:25:55 AM EST
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Re: So those quotes are lifted completely (none / 0)

You are wrong, and like it or not Obama will pay the price for his own decisions.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:03:03 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (2.00 / 0)

Wow, it's crazy how far out of context the media has taken these statements.


by shalca on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:57:30 AM EST

What's really crazy (2.00 / 0)

Is that the Clinton campaign is willing to run with the story the way that it is presented by the same people who have done the same to BOTH Clintons, and will not hesitate to do the same in a heartbeat.

Rather than continue to hammer Obama on the merits (plans, experience, economy, taxes, etc), they are willing to try and use this ginned up, racist, insane smear job to sway superdelegates?

Very, very uncool.

Imagine if Dean had run with the Swiftboaters against Kerry?


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:00:54 AM EST
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Re: What's really crazy (none / 0)

"Rather than continue to hammer Obama on the merits (plans, experience, economy, taxes, etc), they are willing to try and use this ginned up, racist, insane smear job to sway superdelegates?"

Don't even go there, the electability of your candidate has just been destroyed, and everyone has to figure out a way out of this jam. We didn't ask for this ugliness, Obama brought it on all of us.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:20:08 AM EST
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Re: What's really crazy (2.00 / 0)

Incorrect.

See my above reply.

The point here is that those "quotes" are NOT accurate, not in context, and not honest representations of what was said. You are buying the lie, and that same lie, or a similar one can and will be used against your candidate, should she get the nomination.

You are allowing your hyper-partisan loyalty to one democrat over another blind you to the fact that Democrats as a whole are now being invited and encouraged to destroy our own party...and you are accepting that invitation.

This is DIFFERENT than arguing about how much, or to what degree Clinton did or did not support NAFTA, how much of her vote for the AUMF was or was not calculated and whether or not she will continue or change the current Iraq policy, or how much, or to what degree Obama does or does not intend to withdraw troops or roll back or support NAFTA.

Very, very different.

If you cannot see that, then I am very disheartened...especially since there are a lot of people who cannot seem to see that very simple thing.


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:30:01 AM EST
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Very uncool! (2.00 / 2)

I wrote more about it upthread, but I after reading these posts I feel like saying it simply--if you want more context go read the other posts.

Listen-->

The only reason ya'll are surprised by the degree to which your candidate has been "taken out of context" by the media and how "unfair it is" is that they have been propping him up for so long.

This is the way politics works. The Democrat is always subjected to these kinds of vile unfair attacks. Get used to it. If Obama gets the nomination this will be 24/7, the same way it is for Hillary Clinton right now.

The only reason this is new to you is because Obama has been given a pass so far because the media wants him as McCains opponent in the fall because he will be so easy to crush. The Wright stuff was just too good to pass up, and even now they are trying to downplay it and get back to getting rid of Clinton.

That the right wing corporate media would conspire to select the weaker candidate should not come as a shock, although I am betting you don't want to believe it. Anyway, that's what is going on...


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:11:08 AM EST

That's just crazy (2.00 / 0)

"Given a pass"???

On what? Obama has been hit with just as much nasty garbage as one would expect - is he a Muslim, is he a Farrakhan disciple, is he in bed with crooked developers, did he take drugs, blah blah blah.

This is part and parcel of the same damned attacks, and par for the course (Kerry and the Swiftboats, Dean and the Scream)...and if you think the media has "used all their ammunition" against Clinton, and that they are "afraid" of a Clinton candidacy, you are guilty of as much, if not more, pollyanna wishful thinking as any of the most "cultish" of Obama supporters.

Support your candidate, but for fuck's sakes, DO NOT participate, support, or buy into the same goddamned bullshit that they have been and will continue to use to take down ANY Democrat.

You owe it to YOUR candidate and YOUR party to fight this kind of smearing, and frankly, I am sickened by the Democrats who are taking this "ammo" and running with it to try and win Clinton the nomination by suggesting that Obama is somehow "damaged goods" (speaking of sexist frames, btw) because of an out-of-context, manufactured hit job.

You should be ashamed.


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:26:21 AM EST
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Re: That's just crazy (2.00 / 2)

OK, OK, calm down, I said you would not believe me. If you think Obama has been targeted so far, just keep watching. If he gets the nomination you'll have plenty to get all worked up about.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:42:11 AM EST
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Well no kidding. (none / 0)

I am not particularly worked up about the fact that the corporate media machine and the rightwing fucktards are doing this.

This is expected and par for the course as far as that goes, regardless of whether Hillary or Barack get the nomination. (and if you think all of the nasty crap that can be thrown at Hillary has already been thrown, you really are nuts.)

What I AM worked up about is the amazingly nasty use of this FALSE and ginned up "controversy" by Democrats against Democrats.

Note: I am just as disgusted and appalled when Democrats use the Monica Lewinsky, Vince Foster, FBI-Gate, Travel-Gate, Whitewater garbage against Clinton.

It's wrong, it's eating our own, is destructive to  party unity, and will kill us in short order if we don't cut it out.


by RedDan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:50:01 AM EST
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Re: That's just crazy (none / 0)

"Support your candidate, but for fuck's sakes, DO NOT participate, support, or buy into the same goddamned bullshit that they have been and will continue to use to take down ANY Democrat."

The Obama campaign has been using all the right wing talking points against Hillary Clinton throughout this campaign, and trying to destroy her by capitalizing on how she was demonized by the right as "polarizing". The same betrayal you accuse us of  that now you are screaming is so unacceptable. And we are not doing it to you now, even though we have been "done to" by the Obama campaign. See who is really taking the high road, in fact, not in rhetoric?

Now it is ironic that you want her campaign to protect you from the right wing attacks that we told you would be coming. All that nicey-nice nonsense about a "post partisan" politics is meeting the harsh reality of what the Clintons have already faced for years. Now the Obama campaign is shrieking about how "we have to FIGHT these attacks,", and all the bromides about "reaching out to the other side" have been exposed as so much fantasy and nonsense.

This is why we need a fighter, we need a Hillary Clinton, in the White House, and as our standard bearer. Because the other side plays for keeps and will stop at nothing. This is exactly why we fight, because the other side wants to destroy us. Welcome to reality.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:31:28 AM EST
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Re: That's just crazy (none / 0)

Exactly how I feel.

And it appears to me that the MSM is doing it's best to turn the page for Obama.


by Dave B on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 06:54:52 AM EST
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Re: Very uncool! (2.00 / 0)

But these new revelations - the full videos - gives Obama supporters a LOT of ammunition to fight back with. Instead of having to explain away why "Obama associated with this racist, anti-American bigot for 20 years," we can now say, "Wright is not a racist, anti-American bigot" and not get laughed at.  It's important to be sure of your own story when you go on the attack.

It also makes Obama look even better for his handling of Wright. Now people will see why Obama didn't through Wright completely under the bus as Jerome and many others here argued. Obama knew that the media image of Wright was a caricature. And when you stand your ground and get vindicated, you come out very strong. These full videos go a LONG way toward vindicating Obama's loyalty to Wright.


by elrod on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:53:58 AM EST
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A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (2.00 / 0)


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changiness
by lizardbox on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:03:44 AM EST

Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (none / 0)

"A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology"

I think you could benefit from talking to a few people outside your circle of friends who agree with your positions completely, to get back in touch with reality.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:33:57 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (2.00 / 1)

The problem is, I do. The problem is, I do dig up anything on Senator Clinton to use against her, instead, I defend her positions when possible.

MyDDers don't owe Rev. Wright an apology because they were wrong, they need to do so because for the past week I got what Rushbo feeds the world every day here at MyDD, and that ain't right.


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changiness
by lizardbox on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:50:16 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (none / 0)

"MyDDers don't owe Rev. Wright an apology because they were wrong, they need to do so because for the past week I got what Rushbo feeds the world every day here at MyDD, and that ain't right."

I was  at the WTC breathing in carcinogens and watching people jump from the burning hell of the Twin Towers, and those remaining be crushed to death or burned to death by that act of terrorism, and while we were still sifting through the burning rubble, with our shoes burning and melting off our feet, looking for survivors, and then just human remains, Reverend Wright was bellowing about how "America's chickens have come home to ROOST!"

Reverend Wright owes me an apology, and all Americans.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:07:52 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (2.00 / 0)

Why do you care what a mediocre pastor says?  He spews out crap just like the millions of other clergymen in this nation and you want to call this guy out?  Where was your outrage when Hagee professed America deserved Katrina, where was your outrage when Rod Parsley called Muslims "demons" where was your outrage when the Catholic league insulted the gays?  

/This moral high ground the rabid Hillary supporters are spewing out of their mouths is just disgusting.
 


by rejectandenounce on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:11:56 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (none / 0)

"Why do you care what a mediocre pastor says? "

Because his vitriolic bigotry is harming the entire Democratic Party and progressive causes across the board. Independent and swing voters and the young who are new to politics will be disillusioned and turned off by this scandal.

The Obama campaign is continuing this scandal by releasing the photo of an unaware Bill Clinton inadvertantly shaking hands with the Reverend, spreading the shame of this beyond Obama's circle, a betrayal of the Democratic Party.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:20:19 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (2.00 / 0)

No Hillary is hurting the Democratic Party, she has lost this election in terms of popular vote, pledged delegates, and majority of states won rather than bow out gracefully believes she is entitled to the White House.  Don't blame this on a pastor YOU have never heard of till this week.  Hillary wants to play politics we can play that game too.  If Americans are gullible, enough to believe what Wrights words are more important than Obama's words then we deserve the ridicule the rest of the world is talking about us.  

/Five years in Iraq and YOU want to talk about Wright... simply amazing!


by rejectandenounce on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:31:50 AM EST
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Re: A few MyDDers Owe Rev. Wright an apology (none / 0)

"n't blame this on a pastor YOU have never heard of till this week."

I am not blaming this on Reverend Wright at all. I am rightfully laying the blame with Barack Obama, whoi brought this foul scandal to poison the chances of the Democratic party and progressive movement in our first real opportunity to make headway in changing this country for the better by electing a Democratic President and larger majorities in Congress, in order to pass and enact legislation long overdue.

He had no business putting himself forward as a candidate with no provable experience, and enough skeletons in the closet to send every independent and swing voter packing for the hills. He has completely mishandled his campaign, and has polarized the Democratic Party with his campaign's spurious accusations of racism that have alienated large swaths of Democrats from each other.

This is his fault, and he deserves the fallout from it. A smidgen of maturity and self discipline and he could have been president in 2012 or 2016.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 09:29:15 AM EST
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Wow, completely different message when in context. (2.00 / 0)

I have to say, Rev. Wright is pretty good if those clips are reflective of his sermons. I'd go see him. Shit, I probably would've kept going to church when I was younger if he was my pastor...

The tone still might be a bit startling to some who aren't used to black churches, but how can you argue with the messages?


by HRC 2009 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:53:30 AM EST

CONTEXT?!!? CONTEXT?!!??! (2.00 / 0)

shit!  Get back to me when an Obama supporter, JUST ONE SINGLE FUCKING OBAMA SUPPORTER, puts "as far as I know" or "fairy tale" in context.  Until then, well, just piss off.


by dhonig on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:00:44 AM EST

changes nothing (none / 0)

It's pointless. He said what he said and that's the bottom line. The damage is done, reexamining this won't change anything.


by soyousay on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:03:56 AM EST

Re: BREAKING: SHOCKING NEW WRIGHT VIDEOS!!! (none / 0)

YAWNINGGGGGG...This story is starting to get real old real quick!


by kbuggy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 09:54:32 AM EST


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