It's about the lack of judgement

Some of the respondents to my earlier post seem to have missed the point; suggesting I should listen to the whole sermon or read "the speech."
Let me be very clear and go back again to how I was raised. When I went to high school there were still required classes. Every student went through a set of classes that were considered necessary to your ability to go out into the world as a responsible citizen. One of those classes was CIVICS! A required class sadly missing from most high school curriculums today.
In civics class we were taught how local, state and national politcs worked. How to research the candidates and come to an informed decision. (Much more difficult in those days- no internet; you actually had to go to the trouble of reading the newspaper and writing to candidates to get their policy proposals.) We did have the advantage of reporters who actually reported news! Who did their homework and reported to the citizens the results of their research, not the scandal of the moment.
As a result of taking civics I, and many other "typical Americans," learned it was our duty to cast our vote for a candidate on the issues. We investigate, we research, we decide. Long ago I looked at all the candidates. I looked at the candidate's Senate voting records; Sen. Obama's was almost identical to Sen. Clinton's. In the course of my research I went to the candidates web pages to read their postion statements. His proposals on the issues that matter, health care, the economy, the war, again, very close to Clinton's.

Putting to use the lesson's learned in Civics class, I made up my mind for Hillary based on her record and experience and the belief she is the candidate who can win in the electoral college states we need to take back the White House. She seemed to me the candidate best prepared to face the Republicans in the coming fight.
What the recent revelations have done is to convince me I made the right choice. Sen. Obama clearly has shown he is a very poor judge of character. I can not, in good conscience, vote for a man who sees no need to leave a church where for twenty years he has been indoctrinated in his pastor and spiritual advisor's Anti-American ravings. The recent revelations have made me very grateful for the education I received in an American public school.
I can only wish for a day when civics is once again required in our schools. When all students are taught once again that it is a blessing and a priviledge to be an American. That voting is a grave responsibility, never to be taken for granted, for too many of the people in the world do not have the right to elect their leaders. That excersing that right is an obligation to be undertaken seriously; with careful research of the facts. That we are to use our best judgement in casting our vote for the lives of many depend on selecting a leader whose judgement we can trust.
I did my homework. I watched and read "THE SPEECH." It did not change my mind. I can not trust Obama's judgement. My son's life may depend on it.

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No need to hear the facts (1.00 / 2)

by listening to the whole sermon. They would only get in the way of your Opinion.

Facts are stubborn things.


by Pissoff on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:34:51 AM EST

Re: No need to hear the facts (2.00 / 4)

"Facts are stubborn things."

And the facts are that different people have a very different evaluation of what is important to them.

I applaud the Military mom and her son's brave gift to our country, and I hope and pray for his health and survival.

As a first responder in NYC my life also depends to an unknown degree on American foreign policy and the efficacy of our defense and anti-terrorism efforts. Some people can more easily overlook those issues in this election. Your lives may not personally depend on who the next president is, so you can base your support on other preferences.

I know exactly who I want to have my back as Commander in Chief, and that is Hillary Clinton. I know we will never go to war unless there is dire need and no alternative, we will never go to war without a plan, and an exit strategy, and we will have exhausted all diplomatic channels that would otherwise provide a peaceful remedy. I know from how Hillary Clinton was there for us  first responders on 9-11, and stayed on fighting for us relentlessly, and still now, 7 years later, fights for us to get health care, that she cares about our lives. There's been no media back patting there for her about all she has done.

For those of us who do put on a uniform to serve our country, either here or overseas, our choice is clear, and it is Hillary. I hope we will soon be addressing her as "Madame President." Now that is change I can be proud of.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:55:15 AM EST
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Re: It's about the lack of judgement (2.00 / 4)

"typical white woman" here   (pft)

I'm tired of losing every election to the wretched right because the far far left of our party THINKS everyone will "understand" their candidates FAULTS and apparent FAILURES once put OUT There!

Judgment is EVERYTHING.  It can be judged over time.  One bad judgment call makes you human.  Making them continuously is a sign of trouble.
Not a person I want in charge of MY SHIP OF STATE!  Obama's ship is headed for the ROCKS. jmo.


by CarolinaDawn on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:48:05 AM EST

Re: It's about the lack of judgement (none / 0)

The Far left?  I am willing to accept that McGovern can be put in the left category, but the left has had a candidate win the nomination, must less lose the general.  Mondale?  No, the left's candidate was Jesse Jackson.  Dukaksis was a business friendly technocrat... Did he get painted as Mr. liberal, yes.  Kerry, as a lefty from Mass, def not.  It was a tough senate election fight for him with William Weld because there was so little difference.  He had just voted for the horrible welfare reform bill.  I believe he was so progressive that lefties that year were behind a gov from a small state who had governed with a budget hawk centrist view and who was right about Iraq early, then they switched to Edwards.  Kerry was not from the DLC wing, but still safe establishment figure.

The magical far left has not controlled the democratic party.  Up until recently it was in the firm hands of the DLC wing.


by labor nrrd on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:19:29 PM EST
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Re: It's about the lack of judgement (2.00 / 1)

it is easy for Obama to talk, because he wasn't even in the Senate at the time. Had he been, and given what mis-information Congress was being fed, and given the pressure they were under, he probably would have voted for AMF as did Hillary and many other Democrats.

And just because he was right about one issue, at one particular time, albeit an important issue, does not make him the all-seeing-eye that his supporters think him to be.

IMO, Hillary is simply better-known.  I have a pretty good idea what she would do or try to do as President.  Obama is a complete unknown.  As a middle-aged person, I am a bit uncomfortable with the unknown.  Some call it "fear", no, not fear, it is more like "concern".  I am not "in fear" over Social Security, but I am "concerned" about it.  Who isn't?

I just prefer Hillary over Obama. Edwards was my first choice.  I don't have to explain myself to a bunch of twenty-something Obamabots. I will be casting my vote for Hillary in the Indiana primary.


by WolfmanJack on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:27:33 PM EST

Re: It's about the lack of judgement (none / 0)

"Had he been[in the Senate], and given what mis-information Congress was being fed, and given the pressure they were under, he probably would have voted for AMF as did Hillary and many other Democrats."

We know from first hand accounts from former Senator Lincoln Chafee (see relevant quotes below) that the administration had a paper thin case for the war that it presented to the Congress.  I doubt that this fabricated evidence would have swayed Obama to vote for the war.

http://www.projo.com/news/content/LInc_C hafee_01-27-08_PD8NPTK_v102.182ab97.html

"As Mr. Bush pressed insistently for war, Chafee requested a meeting with CIA brass to examine the evidence against Saddam Hussein's regime. "Sooner or later, I have to vote on this war, show me everything you have," Chafee requests of the CIA."

"What they had, I discovered as the meeting stretched into an hour, was next to nothing," recalls Chafee. "They showed me what they had with little comment and no enthusiasm. Someone handed me one of the infamous aluminum tubes, the kind we were told Saddam was using to enrich weapons-grade uranium while plotting mushroom clouds over America, the `smoking gun' that Condoleezza Rice warned about.

"I looked at the aluminum tube, looked at the analysts and thought, I can go buy one of these at Adler's Hardware," the Providence hardware emporium, writes Chafee.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:39:45 PM EST
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Re: It's about the lack of judgement (2.00 / 2)

I DID listen to the entire sermon and I DID listen to Obama's speech. However, I really don't understand the folks like Pissoff who think that most voters will do either of these things or that, if they did, they would come to a different conclusion. Racist, anti-American rants are offensive no matter the context, and the people who utter them shouldn't be given a pass just because one has a close personal relationship with them. Barack had a responsibility to call Rev Wright on this stuff and leave the church if the rhetoric didn't change - and he certainly should have known that it would come back to bite him if he didn't.

In the end, I have to agree with the diarist - Barack is a poor judge of character and an even poorer judge of political consequences.


Rules for Life: Do not annoy others; Do not be too easily annoyed.
by Not the only Dem in KS on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:26:39 PM EST

Re: It's about the lack of judgement (none / 0)

Very true. Excellent diary! You don't stick with a pastor for 23 years and a church for 20 years without having an affinity for the attitudes and the rhetoric.


by Nobama on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:41:12 PM EST

Re: It's about the lack of judgement (none / 0)

Let me make it clear- I read the speech, I listened to the sermon.
I used my judgement and came to the conclusion that I was right in choosing to cast my vote for Hillary.
Listening to the sermon and the speech just clarified to me that I had indeed made the correct choice. The sermon and speech actually brought me to the conclusion that if Obama is the nominee, for the safety of my son and my country, I will have to cross party lines and vote for McCain.
Again, I LISTENED to both- it backfired on him in the case of this "typical white lady." They confirmed my belief tht he has neither the judgement nor the experience to be the Commander in Chief.
Remeber- I am the typical white lady he insulted and I am not alone!
by ProudMilitaryMom on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:09:23 PM EST

Re: It's about the lack of judgement (none / 0)

" . . . for the safety of my son and my country, I will have to cross party lines and vote for McCain."

Could you tell me how it is you believe John McCain would accomplish this?


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:23:26 PM EST
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