Obama Richardson

Richardson will appear with Obama at a rally at the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, Oregon, at 9:30 AM western. That should be pretty big-- tickets are actually being scalped to the event.

I'm pretty surprised by this endorsement. It makes you wonder if this is the ticket in the works. There are no primaries left that have a large block of Latino voters (OR has a small population), that was in Texas [ah, Puerto Rico]. Richardson could have really helped push Obama over in Texas, and that might have been enough to change the dynamics of the contest. Probably not, since Clinton won Ohio so decisively, but maybe.

Richardson's endorsement does knock a big story and narrative that's been building against Obama over the past two weeks off the front page. And Richardson did signal, before the 3/3 contests, that he was ready to get behind Obama. For one reason or another, it waited to happen. Among the '08 contenders, only Edwards endorsement is bigger. We'll see if Richardson has any SD coattails before the April 22nd contest in PA.



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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Uh, the "dynamics" of the race changed a long time ago.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:15:38 AM EST

PA: Obama ad (2.00 / 2)

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/03/obama_now_on_the_air_in_ pennsy.php

March 21, 2008

Barack Obama has his first new ad up in Pennsylvania (no embed code available yet), a 60-second bio spot introducing him to voters in a state where he's badly trailing Hillary Clinton in the polls.

"I first came to Chicago because I saw people who were being laid off of steel plants that were closing, and nobody was fighting for them," Obama says, a line sure to appeal to voters in blue-collar areas like Pittsburgh and Scranton.

One line also seems to be designed to preemptively deal with rumors about his religion: "As an organizer with Christian churches, I helped those workers, and took their fight to the state Senate, passing tax cuts and health care for working families."

Late Update: Here's the ad: go to URL


by dearreader on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:21:08 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 4)

Puerto Rico has a large block of Latino voters.  

The reason this is a big story is that it shows that the Party Elders believe the Wright affair isn't such a big deal.  


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by Blue Neponset on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:16:44 AM EST

EXACTLY (2.00 / 2)

The one thing we've found out is that an endorsement will give you the news cycle for a day and nothing else. But I agree with you that if you start seeing the big undecideds like Richardson, Biden, Edwards, and Gore endorsing Obama it's a good sign that maybe Wright didn't scare everyone off.


by highgrade on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:59:12 AM EST
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scared me off (none / 0)

and probably a large chunk of America, but the party leaders are in another universe.


by internetstar on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:34:09 AM EST
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Re: scared me off (none / 0)

right. I'm sure you were a huge Obama supporter before the Wright affair. Give me a freaking break.


by godemsin08 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:41:44 AM EST
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I call partisan bullshit (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, I feel it. If you got scared of Obama's Pastor you are one of the weak-kneed Liberals that outlets like FOXNews count on to scare into a corner and have you wet your pants.

Don't be afriad. I'll hold your hand while you vote if that helps.


by Pissoff on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07:06 PM EST
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Ewwww! Obamites talk so nasty! (none / 0)


by internetstar on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:35:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

You are kidding, right?  You think that's what this means. lol


by LindaSFNM on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:07:09 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

What does it mean then?  


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by Blue Neponset on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:09:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (1.00 / 1)

Don't you understand?  Obama is an angry black man that hates America!


by The Animal on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:28:18 AM EST
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Yeah (2.00 / 1)

He drinks the blood of human infants.

How did Wright pull the wool over the eyes of the Clintons, who invited him to hear Bill's mea culpa?  I mean, gee, didn't they have any contacts in Chicago Democratic circles to warn them, given that Wright is an amalgamation of Farrakhan, Malcolm X, Chuck D and Osama bin Ladin?  Anybody who would look to him as a spiritual leader is not worthy to be dogcatcher.


by TL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:59:25 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I'm getting troll ratings for this?  I think some people have turned off their irony detectors.


by The Animal on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:43:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

With this site overrun with trolls pretending to be Clinton supporters, it's better to avoid subtle snark like that.  Or just put snark tags on stuff like that.


by Skaje on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:15:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Richardson crossed Hillary when he made his deal with Obama in Iowa.  It became clear he lost any opportunity of then.  He wasn't thinking to clear when he did that.  That's why he tried making it up in the following debates.

But Richardson ALWAYS goes to where the money is.  Thats what determines his decisions.  True to form.  


by LindaSFNM on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:16:48 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Could you spell out what you mean by going where the money is?  I have no clue what you mean.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:17:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

If you are as your moniker claims, then you should be fully aware what that means.  And if ANYONE "involved" knows Governor Richardson, then they know too.  Govenor Richardson is favored among Republicans for a reason.  


by LindaSFNM on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Lets stick to the facts.  Innuendo should be left to other sites.  Do you have links to support this?  Or - is this post sour grapes?


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by stryan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:01:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 4)

I'm not sure how many voters this affects, but it is a huge signal to superdelegates.  Earlier this week, some thought that the Wright issue would cause superdelegates to come out for Clinton. When this high-profile superdelegate, who is also the only Hispanic Governor in the US, does otherwise - and cites Obama's great speech in doing so - it tells the others that they should do the same and that Obama most certainly not irreparably damaged.

The endorsement also has a major impact on media coverage, now through Sunday.  Richardson is often on the Sunday talk shows and perhaps he will be this Sunday as well, so that will carry into the early part of next week as well.  


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:17:04 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Interesting timing, no?  Announcement comes out on Good Friday and will be talked about on Easter Sunday shows.  Hmmmm.
Either this is to distract the Wright kerfuffle or Richardson doesn't know anything about good timing.
by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:45:16 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

Or maybe this is a message to the Supers and the party elders that the Wright affair is not going to keep Obama from winning the nomination.  

Many people here and elsewhere have been telling us that this race is over because of Wright and the MI /FL revote fiasco.  Unless you think Gov. Richardson is an idiot it is hard to make that argument now.    


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:01:56 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

The only thing that will keep Obama from winning the election is Obama himself.  He may get the nomination, but there isn't one thing the supers and party elders can do to insure he wins in the fall.


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:16:11 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

That isn't true. The Supers and Party Elders raise money, campaign and speak to the press about our nominee.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:24:09 AM EST
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They can vote for Obama (2.00 / 1)

unlike some of the pissy-pants around here who need a diaper change.

Obama is only unelectable if people don't vote for him.

Don't make it a self-fulfilling prophecy,


by Pissoff on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10:17 PM EST
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Re: I doubt this will affect PA.... (2.00 / 2)

But, it is a big endorsement.

Obama/Richardson?

You may be on to something. Richarson would bulk up Obama's foreign policy credentials, solidify latino and western state votes, and strengthens his domestic policy credentials, since Richardson is a governor, and a governor of a border state. Obama needs to win in western states if he's the nominee, but could Richardson bring in any more 'independents'? I doubt that.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:21:36 AM EST

Re: I doubt this will affect PA.... (2.00 / 3)

Richardson has always been on my VP shortlist... He makes almost complete sense from a geographic and biographical perspective.

Folks will point out - correctly - that his performance as a candidate was less than stellar, but I think John Edwards is a GREAT campaigner and that didn't help Kerry in 2004.  

When it comes to VP choices, I think Americans generally look at the VP from a "is s/he competent" perspective... once they cross that threshold, I don't think there's much mind they pay to it... and even that isn't a deal breaker - hell, I'm a former Hoosier with cringeful memories of Dan Quayle, so it's pretty clear VPs neither win nor cost many votes unless they turn into an Eagleton-esque millstone


by zonk on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:29:47 AM EST
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There are a lot of Hispanics in PA (none / 0)

This could really close the gap


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43:25 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Si Se Puede! New Mexico and the West has now been won for Obama in the GE.

Richardson will be a great champion in this campaign for the White House.


by ListenNOW on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:23:00 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

Interesting ... McCain (Arizona) on one side, Richardson (New Mexico) on the other ... when have voters in the interior West ever had to choose between two of their own?

Richardson's endorsement could push Obama over the top in Nevada, Colorado, and (of course) New Mexico, and put an end to any GOP talk about contesting California.  I would like to think it would make a difference in Texas, but it probably won't.


by KTinOhio on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:29:47 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Texas isn't going to swing in this cycle or anyone in the foreseeable future.


by ejintx on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:32:39 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

I don't think we win Texas --

But I think it's more possible than it's been a long time.   What's more -- my hope would be that even if we don't poach Texas at a Presidential level, I'd like to see Rick Noriega upset Cornyn.  A strong top ticket presence that brings out every ounce of the Dem base -- coupled with Cornyn's own low ratings -- could be enough.

Cornyn is probably the Senator I detest most in the current body.

As the friend of a family that lost several loved ones to violence against the family of a judge -- when Cornyn made his asinine statement several years back about "judicial activism causing these attacks on judges" -- he became entirely unworthy of serving in the Senate.   He ought to be ashamed - and I hope he goes down in defeat.

Cornyn is an absolute disgrace.


by zonk on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:35:00 AM EST
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Actually (none / 0)

Polls taken during the Texas primary had Obama in a dead heat with McCain overall.  We're talking, within the margin for error.  There's every chance that Texas could swing this year if pushed hard enough.


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by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:24:26 AM EST
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Question for Jerome (2.00 / 4)

Jerome,

Don't you think that the endorsement carries the weight of a larger implication?  Specifically, that the party may be trying to signal a desire to end the contest for the sake of the party, coming on the heels of the FL/MI (in)action?

His comments seemed to offer a means by which to form a narrative of healing as well.

The endorsement of Obama by 2 former candidates is pretty big.  Edwards is clearly waiting to endorse ANYONE until after the dust settles, hoping for a primetime speech at the convention, no doubt.  He may endorse right before NC...but I doubt it now after hearing his comments on Leno.

Gore and Biden are the two remaining big fish.


by a gunslinger on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:25:43 AM EST

Re: Question for Jerome (none / 0)

I don't know what to read into it, we'll have to just wait and see.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:27:36 AM EST
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Re: Question for Jerome (2.00 / 3)

His influence in the upcoming states is little to nothing.  What Richardson's endorsement is is a vote of confidence that Obama is not like Wright, that it's still okay to support him, that he's still a great guy, that he can still win this thing.

Also, big endorsements tend to come when they're needed most.  Obama needed one this week.  I expect another one or two big-name endorsements for him leading up to 4/22.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43:38 AM EST
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Re: Question for Jerome (none / 0)

And Pelosi ... remember, she runs the Convention ...


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by stryan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:03:19 PM EST
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Endorsements are overrated. Veep choices aren't. (2.00 / 1)

If it's just a Richardson endorsement, I don't see this meaning much. Sorry, but based upon the Massachusetts primary results alone (Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick all supporting BHO, and Clinton still kicked butt), this just confirms what most pols have known all along. Good for some short-term media coverage, for the most part, but that's it.

HOWEVER, a nod to Richardson by Obama as his V.P. choice now would change everything, IMHO.


by bobswern on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:26:02 AM EST

Re: Endorsements are overrated... (2.00 / 1)

I think you make a very, very valid point.  The only thing that I would mention is that when the early rash of endorsements was going around there were still a large number of states to go.  As we are getting down to the wire and people are focusing much more on the nuances of the two campaigns, I think this might have more of an effect than it would traditionally - aka the vengeance of the 24 hour news cycle.  Everything is taken soooo far out of context these days, this endorsement could be blown up to be the closest thing to a pronouncement there has been.  I mean, it's not like the media loves to rush to judgment on stuff...


by Rockville Liberal on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:10:58 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

I like Richardson and think he's a great guy; I just wonder why he waited so damn long.  If he endorsed back before Super Tuesday, this race may have looked entirely different.


by ejintx on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:27:12 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

This is a great endorsement for Obama.


by nkpolitics on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:28:14 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

The Richardson endorsement doesn't matter anymore and was expected since he dropped out of the race. The hispanics love the Clintons, always have and always will. As far as Puerto Rico is concernced, Hillary is going to do very well in their primary despite Richardson turning his back on them. The man obviously has no loyalty. BTW: Murtha endorsing Hillary the other day is a much bigger story than this. Were looking forward to the Edwards endorsement coming up soon.


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by steve468 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:30:37 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 4)

Given that CNN is reporting that people in the Clinton campaign were devastated by this news, I don't know why you were so certain that it was "expected."

Please explain why you think Murtha's endorsement was "a bigger story." Thanks in advance.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:33:49 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

If you're waiting for an Edwards endorsement, you're going to be waiting for a long time.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:36:44 AM EST
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Didn't John Edwards (none / 0)

run for president a couple of times?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:18:26 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

I don't think "Hispanics" can be considered a monolithic voting bloc.  Even if Puerto Ricans love Hillary, that says nothing about Mexican-Americans' preference.  And Cuban-Americans are a different population altogether, as they support the GOP in relatively large numbers.


by KTinOhio on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:38:15 AM EST
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He waited and is giving Obama another... (none / 0)

favor.  BO probably asked Richardson to announce now just to do what you said...try and knock his negative press off the front page.  This may win him the VP slot if BO is the nominee - I mean it's ass-kissing, big time.

I guess I wonder what, if anything, this endorsement means...some of the Kennedy's endorsed him.  Kerry endorsed him.  All dead horses.  And Richardson ran such a terrible campaign I suspect voters will say "Who" and "So What".  This will slide off the "front page" in short order!


by Shazone on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:34:27 AM EST

Re: He waited and is giving Obama another... (2.00 / 1)

The electoral effect will be minimal, but it may have some effect on uncommitted superdelegates.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:38:10 AM EST
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You are wrong that Kerry and Kennedy were (2.00 / 2)

"dead horses" - without their endorsement Hillary could have had this wrapped up - with their endorsements Obama is clearly the leader.  Richardson is one more nail in the coffin of the Clinton campaign.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:49:24 AM EST
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Hey, they really helped BO in Mass... (none / 0)

didn't they?

And until yesterday, Kerry and Kennedy were strangely underground since Super Tuesday.  But then someone let Kerry out and he made another fine mess!

With friends like that, who needs enemies?


by Shazone on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:13:53 AM EST
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Re: Hey, they really helped BO in Mass... (none / 0)

I'm thinking that he would have lost by far more than that had Kerry and Kennedy not endorsed him.  Thankfully, proportional delegates allowed this factor to work in Obama's favor.  


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:33:14 AM EST
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Re: He waited and is giving Obama another... (2.00 / 1)

Isn't it funny when every time Hillary loses a state or a superdelegate or a major endorsement, her campaign and her supporters minimize and denigrate the "audacity" of the state or the person for going for Obama. Another former major Clinton administration official goes to the Obama column. I'm sure Hillary would be doing back flips today, if Richardson endorsed her and be all over the media touting tht endorsement. Guess Bill and Bill won't be watching the Super Bowl together next year. Hurry up, Hillary, the number of states and superdelegates to minimize is rapidly dwindling.


by victoryfordems on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:30:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

There's a long piece in Politico today http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9147.html laying out the popular vote issue and running through some numbers.

Here's how it the story ends:
"A high, rough estimate of all the remaining states then would leave between 5 million and 6 million popular votes on the table.

For Clinton to pick up her lead in the popular vote with 6 million ballots cast, she'd need a 12 percent margin across the states -- that's a 56 percent to 44 percent average win. With 5 million ballots, she would need a 14 percent margin -- that's a 57 percent to 43 percent overall victory, including expected defeats in states counting for well over 1 million votes.

Removing North Carolina and Oregon from the list, Clinton's wins would likely have to tally well over 60 percent of the vote.

So far, however, Clinton has broken 56 percent in just four states, including her home state of New York. Her two best states have been Rhode Island, where she topped 58 percent, and Arkansas, where she won more than 70 percent of the votes.

Now her path to victory seems to depend on all her future wins going the way of Arkansas."


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:36:04 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Its more than bizarre to argue that there were not votes counted in FL, that'll just be one of many scenarios.  Also, Puerto Rico turnout will be 2M, normally. Everyone votes, that's normal, they even don't sell alcohol on the day of the election, Sunday. It wouldn't be surprised to see an even higher turnout if its hyped.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:17:07 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

I'd love to see you lay out those scenarios.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:23:29 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Good information on PR primary here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horsera ceblog/2008/03/the_puerto_rico_wildcard. html
by xtrarich on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Since the popular vote "doesn't count" anywhere,  then it seems clear that the popular vote from Florida, which also "doesn't count,"  should be added.  There is nothing in the DNC delegate ruling, or in anything the Florida voters were told that would support not "counting" the popular vote there.  I would feel the same way if Obama had won the popular vote there.  It reflects badly on the so-called unity candidate that he's fighting to make sure almost 2 million voters not only lose their delegate representation but become utterly invisible.  


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:12:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

your math and reasoning are hinky here. you cant add all the expected votes in each state together and divide by 12. That would suggest that the same number of voters will come out in WV or IN as PA.  You can see this is hinky, no?


by hctb on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:48:44 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Primary season is a contest measured in delegates.  That means Obama won Texas.  


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by lockewasright on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:38:56 AM EST

dude, dude, dude............. (2.00 / 0)

Obama WON Texas WITHOUT Richardson's help.  He got more delegates.  But that info probably hasn't been allowed to seep into your brain yet, huh?

And about Hillary's Decisive win in Ohio?  Netted her 9 delegates.

Obama netted more in frickin' Idaho.  Big states?  You mean the states that ANY Democrat would win?  And Hillary uses this as a selling point?  What a joke.............

Where do you buy your official "Hillary-rose-colored-glasses"  I'd like a pair myself.  Actually, scratch that.  Reality is better looking.  Especially after eight years of Bush.


by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:39:45 AM EST

Richardson said he would wait (2.00 / 3)

until the nomination was locked up. He thought it would be after Ohio / Texas. He was wrong, it was locked up when Michigan and Florida decided not to revote. That is why he's endorsing today.


by Cleveland John on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:39:47 AM EST

Speculation (2.00 / 3)

Given how reluctant Richardson was to endorse prior to this (like, when it would have done the most good), I have to think that there are two factors that may have played a hand in his decision.

1) A More Perfect Union.  One of the best dissertations on racial issues in decades has got to affect a hispanic candidate quite deeply.  The hispanic and black communities have had their struggles in the past, and he could believe that Obama is the candidate that will try to heal those divides by addressing poverty and social problems that exaserbate the issues.

2) Clinton's Wright scaremongering.  Olbermann reported last night that there is a strong possibility that Clinton has been addressing the superdelegates with the popular trope here on MyDD, that Wright is making Obama unelectable.  Richardson may have just plain had enough of the politics of fear, and decided that he can't endorse Clinton, so Obama it is.  This is a cynical approach, and I don't think that it's necessarally completely accurate, but it's definitely possible.

Regardless, I hope the other supers follow suit and end this thing after PA at the latest.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:42:27 AM EST

Re: Speculation (2.00 / 2)

Chris Bowers gives personal testimony that Clinton folks are pushing the Wright story to ward leaders http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=4676


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:49:18 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (none / 0)

What proof do YOU have that the Clintons are pushing the Rev. Wright story. Seems like this man dug this hole all by himself.


by pan230 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:15:07 PM EST
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Re: Speculation (none / 0)

Wow!  Clinton is talking to the superdelegates about the elctability of Obama.  Big news!!!!

I'm absolutely positive that Obama's team never, ever, ever talked to the superdelegates and told them that Clinton was unelectable.  Absolutely positive.

Sheesh!


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:51:51 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (2.00 / 3)

Sure, viewed dispassionately, one would expect to make these sorts of electability arguments to the superdelegates (there would almost be a responsibility to do so).  But she's not attacking Obama on Wright out in the open, and so it all seems a bit...unseemly, if that makes sense.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:56:12 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (none / 0)

I agree, RFahey, passive aggressive attacks are unseemly. That has always been a big problem for me with Obama and his "different kind of politics."


by hctb on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:57:56 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (2.00 / 3)

The point is that the Clinton campaign said they weren't doing that.  When you tell the press you aren't going to do something and then you do, the media doesn't tend to like that.  They feel like they were liked to.

And Tapper's giving this circulation - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/another-clinton.html


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:59:27 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (none / 0)

The media doesn't like the Clintons.  Period.  Doesn't matter what they do.  So it's ok for Obama to question Clinton's experience (her strong point), but she can't question his judgement (his strong point).  Seems fair to me.


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:23:52 AM EST
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Re: Speculation (none / 0)

It could be argued that the media has been giving Clinton false hope all this time.  They have said for weeks, as it's been mathmatically improbable that she could win the most pledged delegates, that you "never count a Clinton out" and "it is still mathmatically possible for her to win."  Aside from Olbermann and Abrams, they've barely batted an eye at all the skullduggery she's pushed out.  They have consistantly let her define the narrative, saying that she won Texas and Nevada even though she lost in the delegate count (the only metric that really matters), and letting her extend the goal posts to the next big state when she doesn't get the result she wants.  When she complained that the media was being unfair to her, they trashed on Obama for a week.

All this when they should have been treating her like Huckabee: an interesting also-ran with legitimate concerns but no real shot.  I'd say the media likes her more than you're letting on.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:45:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Speculation (none / 0)

Obama's camp never talked to the super-delegates about Clinton's unelectablitilty???  Oh really!

I hope you are being sarcastic, because everyone knows that the Obama camp has been vigorously pushing for super delegates.


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:46:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Speculation (none / 0)

Even with all the fallout from the Reverend Wright, Obama's unfavorable ratings (50%} from the daily Rasmussen Presidential polls still are not as low as Clinton's (55%). Her favorable ratings are 43% and Obama's are 48% as of 3/21.


by victoryfordems on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:39:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Personally, I am very disappointed in Richardson, but not surprised. He all but showed his hand before the "Mini" Super Tuesday in TX and OH. I do think the BO camp is desperate to get the Wright story off the front page since his race relations speech did nothing to facilitate that. AND he lied AGAIN on Larry King last night about "I wasn't present, I was present during those racist, anti-American sermons" on the pulpit. For Richardson to say that BO is "I believe he is the kind of once-in-a-lifetime leader that can bring our nation together and restore America's moral leadership in the world," is absurd at this juncture. Does that mean despite the retoric that Richardson believes thi is the only time an AA candidate might have a shot at the WH??? BO will never bring our nation together, for we now know how he really feels about using the race card. His remark that his grandmother is a "typical white person" is outrageous and Richardson lost my respect with his endorsement of the most devisive candidate the Democratic Party has ever seen, YES, hands down more devisive than HRC---who I don't believe is devisive at all, but gets portrayed as such in the media. If BO is the Dem nominee, John McCain will COAST into the White House in Nov. I will not forget BO's primary revelations and I am sure I will be joined millions (just in MI ad FL alone!) in casting my vote for any candidate than BHO, or staying home. By the way, for those who advocate the Super Dels voting the way their state has, does this mean aside from his endorsement of BO, Richardson will cast his vote for HRC? After all, she did WIN NM...


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:44:46 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 3)

This is like a greatest hits of the front page and rec diaries over the past two days.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:51:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I'll take that as "positive" reply.


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 3)

Not really.  I happen to think that there are a lot of inaccuracies there.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:04:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Point them out or don't make the comment.


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 3)

WOW, you sound a little bitter.


by kbuggy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:52:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (1.00 / 0)

Not "bitter" at all. Disgusted? "hoodwinked"? Angry? ABSOLUTELY. BO is an EMPTY suit. NO substance, "just words" (not his own btw to inspire) a HYPOCRITE, probably a closet racist, inexperienced, follow-the-leader or wait to see how others go before committing, shallow cadidate but excellent more of the same pol. A disingenuous, lying pol.


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:04:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

I have absolutely no problem with anyone from New Mexico that wants to make the arguement that Richardson should cast his superdelgate vote for Clinton since she won the state - it was the people's choice.  However, if that is your arguement, then you need to disavow Clinton attempting to sway delegates from states that Obama won.  You can't have your cake and it to unless you want to put on your hypocrite hat.


by Rockville Liberal on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:21:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

NO WHERE in ANY of my diaries OR posts have I advocated or supported "SWAY" of delegates. So don't tell ME about hypocrisy. BO is a LIAR. He is devisive, NOT unifying and "bringing ALL people together. Save the insults unless you can back them up!


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:38:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

OK - so you believe that the superdelegates should vote with whomever wins that particular state and the popular vote, yes?


by Rockville Liberal on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:58:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

I do think the BO camp is desperate to get the Wright story off the front page since his race relations speech did nothing to facilitate that.

He didn't want to get Wright off the front page, he wanted to reframe the debate to something constructive, and he did that.  Everyone's talking about how to make sense of Wright and Obama's relationship, not about how bad Obama's judgement was.

AND he lied AGAIN on Larry King last night about "I wasn't present, I was present during those racist, anti-American sermons" on the pulpit.

Do you have any evidence, or are you still trying to link "controvercial statements" with that particular rhetoric that he didn't hear?

As for New Mexico, it went to Clinton by hundreds of votes, not thousands or tens of thousands.  It was by far a decisive victory.

The rest of your post is just ridiculous rehashing of everything you hate about Clinton losing the primary.  I certainly hope you come to your senses eventually, because there's a lot at state this time around.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:53:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

The definition of irony...

Spending most of January and February bitching about empty speeches and pretty rhetoric at the expense of issues...

Then getting pissed because other words - not even spoken by the candidate in question - might not be played on continuous loop for 6 months.


by zonk on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:56:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Sure... Here's what he said last night on LKL: "And I completely disavow any of those statement that were made. They were statements that I wasn't aware of, were not brought to my attention until fairly recently. I wasn't in the church when he said those things." You want th link? Go here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/20/lkl.01.html

In his speech in Philadelphia: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23690567/

He said had he known he would have called Wright on them... over 20 years they only came to his attention recently???

Though I don't usually agree with Charles Krauthammer, he nails it here: "He flatters himself as a man of the future transcending the anger of the past as represented by his beloved pastor. Obama then waxes rhapsodic about the hope brought by the new consciousness of the young people in his campaign. Then answer this, Senator: If Wright is a man of the past, why would you expose your children to his vitriolic divisiveness? This is a man who curses America and who proclaimed moral satisfaction in the deaths of 3,000 innocents at a time when their bodies were still being sought at Ground Zero. It is not just the older congregants who stand and cheer and roar in wild approval of Wright's rants, but young people as well. Why did you give $22,500 just two years ago to a church run by a man of the past who infects the younger generation with precisely the racial attitudes and animus you say you have come unto us to transcend?"

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003017_pf.html

And I love this defense on LKL last night about his own "credentials" on his CIC experience and HRC's poor judgments and his right judgments:
"You know, I have served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. She's served on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She has made, I believe, poor judgments when it comes to issues like the war in Iraq. I've made the right judgments." BO hasn't held ONE meeting of his Sub Committee because he has been too busy campaigning. His IRAQ senate voting record is ALMOST IDENTICAL (which BO supporters use as a + argument for being a capable CIC)to HRC. HYPOCRITE. LIAR. PERIOD. OVER AND OUT.


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:33:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Intriguing (none / 0)

He said had he known he would have called Wright on them... over 20 years they only came to his attention recently???

While your use of extra question marks is intriguing and I might be interested in your newsletter, your facts aren't quite straight.  From what I have heard, he's only been in the congregation for 17 years, not "over 20."  He's known the man for over 20 years, from when he was a community organizer and needed help in clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, and housing the homeless, but they probably had more important things to talk about than how the government was screwing black folk.

"Controvercial" is a far lower rung of the ladder than the YouTube rants.  While you can claim that you are incredulous that he did not know about the anti-American rants that have been publicized, you have no proof.  Nobody's been able to find proof.  Come back when you have video of Obama patting Wright on the back for saying that Clinton has never been called a racial epithet.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:55:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Your tirade is very sad - hope you feel better (2.00 / 2)

soon.  


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:54:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

IF things don't change soon... (none / 0)

you're the one who won't feel so good when you wake up and McCain is in the WH!


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:34:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Right on!

If Obama is the nominee, get ready to say President John McCain.  Now Obama is flip-flopping on the super delegates.  First he said the super delegates should vote the decision of their constituents, but now Richardson has his endorsement (Hillary won NM) and Kennedy/Kerry (Hillary won BIG in MA)

Obama is disenfranchising  Michigan and Florida because he is not confident that he can win so he's rather they get put out to pasture.
If you ignore 2 of the biggest states in the union now, you will not get them in November to vote for Obama.

It's Obama who is triangulating nowadays.


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's opinion vs. flip-flopping (none / 0)

I wrote a diary a couple days back about this.

Obama has an opinion that supers shouldn't overthrow the will of the voters.  That doesn't mean that he's going to refuse to obey the rules or strip supers of the right to go as they choose.

He has an opinion but will follow the rules.  Superdelegates have to make up their own minds on how to vote.

Contrary to popular belief around here, Obama had very little to do with the Michigan and Florida problems.  Very little at all.  Blaming him is like blaming a tow truck company for your car accident.  They might benefit from your trouble, but it's not their fault.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:01:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Minimize, minimize, minimize, minimize, Kennedys,
Maria Shriver, Caroline Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy, Susan Eisenhower, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson, John Kerry, Wisconsin, Virginia, Maryland, Washington, Georgia, Alabama, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Texas delegate win, South Carolina, Minnesota, most states won, most pledged delegates, most popular vote, mininmize, minimize, minimize. We are becoming rather small aren't we?
by victoryfordems on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:47:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I think Richardson screwed Obama by not endorsing him sooner.  I don't see how this helps Obama that much.  It would have helped in Texas or before.  I do think Edwards will endorse Hillary.  He was more complimentary of her than Obama on last night's Leno.  He could Hillary tough and tenacious..i.e. a fighter.  He only called barack inspirational to young people.  I think Edwards gave us a hint as to who he will endorse: The Fighter.


by karajan72 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:47:48 AM EST

If Edwards endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

he will have lost what ever credibility he had left.  He fought a campaign to rid Washington of corporate greed - and then turns around and endorses the corporate candidate - he would be a laughing stock in the progressive community.  Kind of like McCain endorsing Bush.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:58:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary is the fighter (2.00 / 2)

for Monsanto, Tyson, and Walmart - thats no a smear its the truth.  She held a fund raiser at Monsanto HQ and will help them continue to sue small farmers in the U.S. and India.  


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:00:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is the fighter (none / 0)

They're both corporate.  Clinton takes PAC money and Obama takes money from the executives that fund the PACs.  Neither is clean in that regard.


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:27:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's "executive" money (none / 0)

Obama takes up to the maximum campaign contribution from private citizens.  Just because someone funds PACs, does not mean that they don't have a right to privately use their money the way they want to.

Obama would be going back on his message of equality if he didn't allow some people to give individual campaign donations just because they're rich PAC sponsors.  Not taking the PACs is enough.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:06:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your comment is one deserving (2.00 / 1)

of laughter.  You reveal a complete lack of your own credibility.

Edwards can endorse either one.  He said there are "TWO good candidates."

In my view, both are "corporate" candidates.  That's the choice we have.  

On this day, it requires repeating: Barack Obama is not the son of god sent to chicago to redeem the sinners.

Like Hillary Clinton, he is mortal.  Both Clinton and Obama are godo people.


by TomP on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:22:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama didn't pose for the cover of (none / 0)

Fortune Magazine - Hillary did.  Hillary's Rose law firm represents Monsanto, Tyson, and Walmart.
Obama is making progress on limiting the influence of corporate lobbyists - Hillary is dependent on them.
Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:11:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

What evidence is there that Edwards will endorse anyone before the race is over?  He would display worse political instincts than Richardson in doing so.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:02:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

This is a FANTASTIC endorsement for Obama, and right on time! GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!


by kbuggy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:50:29 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

Richardson's endorsement does knock a big story and narrative that's been building against Obama over the past two weeks off the front page.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Obama's campaign has been saving this "surprise" Richardson endorsement for this exact moment, just so it might , and I stress might, take some steam off the Reverend Wright scandal. There is absolutely no way Obama's campaign didn't know Wright would blowup in his face. Fortunately for Clinton, I don't think it will help Obama. Richardson garnered weak support as a candidate that even the Latino vote couldn't help.

by zenful6219 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:54:58 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Wright was already fading before this.  Scandals tend to follow two trajectories - either they build and build and build, or they produce a quick OMG reaction and then slowly fade away.  After Obama's speech, the press was getting bored with covering Wright.  If Obama had blown up and given them a new angle, they could have gone there, but instead, they're going to the next story.  

He's already recovering in polls and it's only been a week.  This is a strike against Obama, but not a killer.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:15:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Where in the polls do you see this "recovery"?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105517/Gallup -Daily-Clinton-Holds-Onto-Lead-Over-Obam a.aspx

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/daily_presidential_trackin g_poll

The strike is deeper than you think.


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:23:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

OK, I'll grant you that the polls are fluctuating, but you need to grant that the damage isn't getting any worse.  Obama still has a lead in Rasmussen.  He was down 6 points a mere two weeks ago.   As for Gallup, I'm going out on a limb but expect Obama to have a good appearing day before the report comes out.  Why?  Because Monday is going to drop out of the 4 day track.

The pattern that would scare me - and still would scare me - is if Clinton took a large lead and it kept expanding.  Instead, she took some votes, Obama grabbed some of them back, and they're fighting back and forth over the same ones.  It's not a death spiral, at least not yet.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:32:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

And Hillary STILL has consistently higher unfavorability ratings in the daily Rasmussen tracking polls, 55% to 50% for Obama as of 3/21.


by victoryfordems on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:09:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

I know what you mean about having to realize that Wright would blow up, and I suppose now is as good a time as any.  It's after most of the states have voted and given him a lead and it's far far away from other primaries AND it happens before he has to face the Republicans head to head in the General Election.

I sometimes wonder if the Obama camp helped bring the story to the front page now so that they could get it out of the way.  Sounds unlikely, but the timing couldn't be better.

Also, the comment just above this one mentions Obama leveling out in the polls.  As an Obama supporter I would love to know which polls you're talking about.


We are the change we've been waiting for.
by jlars on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:47:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My mind loves conspiracies (none / 0)

I can't shake the cynical belief that Team Obama fostered this Wright debacle now, because there would be no better time in the entire season to do it.

It's quite unlikely, but Axelrod is one cagey player (he came out of Chicago politics, after all), so it's possible.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Yet another politician who owes his rise to the Clintons, turns his back on them now when they need him most.
The question is why? All their people have turned there backs on them. Why? They know something we don't.
by ListenNOW on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:54:59 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Maybe Bill dropped some dip and stained Richardson's carpet during the Super Bowl.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:57:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

It shows that people are a bunch of ungrateful louts.

I think Obama promised Richardson to put him on the top of the VP list.  There is no reason for Richardson to endorse now except for that.

The Clintons put Richardson on the map and he is endorsing the other guy.  Sometimes, the people you help are your worse enemies.  Hillary has helped that guy more time than we can count.  Hillary has helped so many in congress and they are a bunch of opportunities.  

Richardson is attached his butt to a slowly sinking ship.  


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:18:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 3)

Oh my word....  

so, using your logic, the only reason Murtha endorsed Hillary is because she promised him Sec of State or Sec of Defense...?  Personally, I think these people have their own minds and make them up using the information that is available.  I think it's a little refreshing to see someone not bow to "you owe me" pressure...

Honestly, I hope one of two things happens...  Either the race ends tomorrow OR that no other prominent Democrats endorse anyone...  Watching good people get trashed just because someone's grapes have soured is just painful.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:29:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Why is it ungrateful for Richardson to attempt to retain the party's ongoing integrity?

Perhaps Richardson should be HAILED for putting the good of the party ahead of his past?  

Clearly, Richardson (and millions of others) believes that Obama is running a good campaign and is best postioned to win.  

In 1992, Bill Clinton went through MANY rough patches ... WORSE than what obama has gone through too, i might add.  

This is making Obama a better candidate in the GE, just a it was for BC.

Don't let the fact that Richardson didn't endorse YOUR candidate cause you to alter your perception of him.  Sad.


by a gunslinger on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:30:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

The "why " is very simple - Obama is going to be the nominee. What they "know" is that Hillary is toast.
by defibialater on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:24:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 2)

i have been waiting on some "leaders" in the democratic party to step forward, speak out, and end the bloodletting.

I think this took guts on Bill's part.... especially considering his friendship with the Clintons.

and, o yes, he should keep the beard...even when he is Vice President!

now, the next one who should step up is John Edwards to slam the nail in the coffin of the old politics!


The sleep of reason begets monsters. -- Francisco Jose de Goya
by joe in oklahoma on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:58:30 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Wasn't it Richardson himself that said that endorsements don't matter?


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:59:58 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

He would be the one who said that. And, guess what, his endorsement doesn't matter.
by zenful6219 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:15:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Bill Richardson has zero political skills.  Every time he opens his mouth he sticks his foot in it.  I don't think an Obama/Richardson ticket has a chance in hell.  Maybe in New Mexico, but that's it.


by karajan72 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:00:19 AM EST

Well maybe not "zero political" skills (none / 0)

in New Mexico, or North Korea.  


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:03:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Becoming the Governer of New Mexico and then eeking out a fourth place finish just behind Clinton (with far fewer resources) would be something I would think takes some amount of skill.  Maybe he's not a superstar politician, but he's also no political hack.

I hope he becomes the VP because I think that's the best ticket you could get. Obama/Richardson


We are the change we've been waiting for.
by jlars on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:53:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I think the good thing about this endorsement is that Richardson can go on the Sunday shows and talk about it. Better we hear the name Richardson than Wright.

However, past that, it really only means anything if this signals that more SD's are about to come out publicly for Obama in an attempt to end this thing.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:04:21 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Maybe he came out because Hillary got caught lying on Nafta.

Hillary Clinton won Ohio largely on the issue of Nafta.  Even though Nafta was a major "achievement" in the Clinton Administration, Hillary Clinton said she is and always was against it.  She even questioned the sincerity of Barack Obama's position on Nafta.  

Ohio voters know that Bush has not stood up for American workers on trade.  Bush doesn't understand the "fair" part of the phrase "free and fair trade."  Making American workers compete against exploited cheap labor with pennies for wages and horrid working conditions is not fair.  As Obama has said, we need to make our trade partners implement work standards to stop them from making products on the cheap so American workers can't fairly compete.

So in view of her clear positions on her husband's Presidency, we wondered why Hillary Clinton fought the release of her records as First Lady.  It didn't make sense.  After all, she touted her experience as First Lady saying it makes her more qualified to be President than Barack Obama.  She and the Democrats also criticize the Bush Administration for its secretive manner of running our government.

Now we know.  Hillary Clinton's First Lady records, which were just released over her objections, reveal that Hillary Clinton was not against Nafta.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/pl_n m/usa_politics_clinton_records_dc
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/clintons-1993-n.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/200803 20/cm_thenation/1300860  

It always sounded weird that Hillary Clinton would be against Nafta, something Bill Clinton considered a major achievement of his Administration.  In fact, she wasn't against it.  She even lobbied for it.  

To put it bluntly, Hillary Clinton lied.  She lied about something important.  She lied to pander to voters.  Hillary Clinton stole a ton of votes in the Ohio election on a lie.

This is really no surprise coming from the candidate who says the vote in Michigan should count even though she, her opponents and the Democratic Party itself had all agreed that Michigan broke the rules and its vote would not count, and even though her opponents' names were not even on the ballot.

The unfortunate truth is that Hillary Clinton has a serious credibility problem.  Add that she failed to deliver on key issues, like her failed effort at healthcare reform in the early 1990s, like her vote for the Iraq war, and like her failing Presidential campaign in which she has repeatedly taken cheap shots at her opponent who is the likely Democratic nominee for President.

It's time to end the two decades of Bush-Clinton rule in America.  It's time for a change.  We need someone who will play it a little straighter, listen a little harder, and encourage us to rekindle hope and work together for positive change for all Americans.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/clintons-1993-n.html

"Clinton's 1993 NAFTA Meeting

March 19, 2008 4:58 PM

One interesting event in Sen. Hillary Clinton's just-released schedules from the 1990s comes on Nov. 10 1993, when the former first lady was to serve as the closing act during a briefing on NAFTA, the trade agreement she now assails.

11:30 am -
11:45 am

NAFTA BRIEFING DROP-BY
Room 450, OEOB

PARTICIPANTS: Approx 120 expected to attend
(See briefing book for further info)

FORMAT:
- Alexis Herman intros HRC for brief remarks
-HRC concludes program

(pp. 1375 and 1376)

Two attendees of that closed-door briefing, neither of whom are affiliated with any campaign, describe that event for ABC News. It was a room full of women involved in international trade. David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies as various women members of the Cabinet talked up NAFTA, which had yet to pass Congress.

"It wasn't a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive of NAFTA.

That first attendee recalls that the First Lady's office in the East Wing put together "the invitation list, who was invited authorizations and all that stuff."

And what is this attendee's response to Clinton today distancing herself from NAFTA? "For people who worked hard to pass NAFTA and who support the importance of markets opening for the economy in the long term, they're very upset. A number of the women who were there are very upset. You need to have some integrity in your position. The Clintons when Bill Clinton was president took a moderate position on trade for Democrats. For her to repudiate that now seems pretty phony."

Recalls a second attendee, "they were looking for women in international trade who supported NAFTA. Senator Clinton came by at the end. And of course she asked for our support and help in passing NAFTA."

Women who attended that event, the second attendee says, have been incredulous to see Clinton distance herself from the trade agreement as she campaigns today. "They're all saying, 'What's this all about?' We all heard it firsthand." She says Clinton isn't being honest with voters today."


We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
by Duck Soup on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:05:07 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

The press isn't really biting into this "story."


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:06:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Unless those people who claim that Hillary was always supportive of NAFTA give their name, then that's hearsay and I'm not buying it.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id= 6639

It was know a long time ago that Hillary was at first against NAFTA because she wanted Bill to focus on other issues, like health care.  Since she was the First Lady, it wouldn't look good if she was so vigorously and vocally AGAINST her husband.  There is so much subtlety in those arguments.  

I know the Obama followers are getting desperate to nail something on Hillary since their guy is sinking fast in the polls.  Hillary says she will make changes in NAFTA to help benefit our country without alienating our neighbors to the North and South.


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:14:59 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

ahhh...  hillaryhub.com...  a nice independent source for information....

Personally, I think the whole NAFTA thing on every side is much ado about nothing...  In order to change NAFTA, you would have to get Congressional approval.  Given how many corporate cats there are in Congress, that is not likely to happen.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:32:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Cheap shot alert! (none / 0)

This is pure bull, and the Obama camp knows it. NAFTA is not a monolith, it is a very complex piece of legislation. Much of what has gone wrong with trade has to do with how it has been enforced over the last 16 years.

This simplistic attempt by the Obama campaign to foment an issue by misleading people based on a few calander entries as to what had to be a complex and nuanced issue at the time is craven and disingenuous. Of course she was involved. It was a big piece legislation. She was involved in major initiatives during the Clinton administration. (Of course, in the same breath these same critics are saying that she didn't do anything except fold the napkins in the White House.) What was her involvement in NAFTA? I bet it was a complex matter of policy, and I bet it had to do with protections, who knows. But, for the Obama campaign to trott out a few calander entries and start making accusations that she supported NAFTA in black/white terms, is just a plain cheap shot.

This is becoming the typical MO of the Obama campaign. It smells like an Axelrod.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:36:21 AM EST
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Re: Cheap shot alert! (none / 0)

Yes, it is complex and nuanced, much like Obama's speech the other day.  Unfortunately, the takeway from many around here was that Obama spent the speech throwing people "under the bus," so I don't see why you are so shocked and outraged at a similar oversimplification on an issue that is actually relevant to the campaign.  Did you not say that such things were political tit-for-tat?


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:43:12 AM EST
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Re: Cheap shot alert! (none / 0)

The distinction I'm trying to draw is what the campaigns are doing. It is the Obama campaign, Axelrod, that is pushing these NAFTA charges. He is deliberately misleading. The Clinton campaign has been mum on the Wright matter, and has even praised much of what Obama said.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

You forgot the addendem to the article where Gergen who organized the event said Clinton was not enthusiastic about NAFTA.  


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:38:19 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Well, there is a large Hispanic population in PA (like Allentown) and there is a number of Hispanics in North Carolina (poultry farms), but I don't think Richardson holds that kind of influence over the Hispanic community.

He might be vying for the VP spot, for sure.  That's what I first thought of when I heard about the endorsement.


by stefystef on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:10:05 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

PA has a large Hispanic population?


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:17:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Si (none / 0)


by Pissoff on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:24:16 PM EST
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Re: Si (none / 0)

What %?


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:33:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I don't think any endorsements can help Obama now.  


by karajan72 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:11:31 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, I guess Obama is in big trouble...he has more overall delegates, more pledged delegates, more states, and more votes, and he's ahead in five of the six most recent polls.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:13:53 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Agreed.  However, one can't ignore the deep concerns about the Wright controversy.


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:16:49 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely!  Ignoring something doesn't make it go away.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:25:32 AM EST
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Luckily (none / 0)

Obama isn't ignoring Wright.  The media is starting to, however.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:16:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

He might be able to win the primary but he will not win in the general. The republicans don't give a damn about the dem party and will play Wright on a loop. Richardon can't help with that. it will simply taint him in the process.


by americanincanada on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:18:58 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

and if Hillary is the candidate the GOP will berunning a certain blue dress on a loop...
and Hillary saying McCain is beter prepared than Obama...that will make a great GOP loop.

over and over.


The sleep of reason begets monsters. -- Francisco Jose de Goya
by joe in oklahoma on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35:16 AM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

we picked up seats after that blue dress on a loop.
just saying.
by hctb on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:06:15 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton member of radical cult (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is a member of a radical cult.  This is going to make the Obama story look like small potatoes boys and girls.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008 03/20/7798


We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
by Duck Soup on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:16:23 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton member of radical cult (none / 0)

Why do we go after any candidate, or any person for that matter, over their religion? All religions have some wacky elements.

I guess I'm part of a radical cult as well. We engage in symbolic cannibalism where we pretend to eat someone's body and drink his blood.

We call it Catholicism.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:30:22 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton member of radical cult (none / 0)

I'm sure that would leave her quaking in her boots.

"When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast."

Ooooooooooh.  A weekly prayer breakfast.  Sounds sinister to me.


by wasabi on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:49:59 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton member of radical cult (none / 0)

Ooooooooooh.  A weekly prayer breakfast.  Sounds sinister to me.

Defense of Marriage Act
No Child Left Behind
Clear Skies Initiative
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
Freedom Fries

Certainly nothing can be named deceptively.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:32:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (2.00 / 1)

whatta ya mean the press isn't biting into this story?
it's the number 2 story on the radio news coverage at the top of the hour...3 hours in a row now.

it's the NYT leader, as well as leading CNN, google news, yahoo news.

MSNBC has buried it.


The sleep of reason begets monsters. -- Francisco Jose de Goya
by joe in oklahoma on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:17:30 AM EST

Welcome aboard, Governor Bill. (2.00 / 1)

Took a lot of guts, considering how close he was to the Clintons.  John Edwards is obviously still bitter that Obama snatched the prize that was to be his.  Too bad!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:24:21 AM EST

Re: Welcome aboard, Governor Bill. (none / 0)

It does take guts - Richardson stepping up and endorsing Obama at the peak of the Wright controversy.

Just like African Americans being quite angry at black leaders supporting Hillary, this is a very risky move for Richardson, and could possibly erode his support among Hispanics.


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:30:03 AM EST
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Re: Welcome aboard, Governor Bill. (none / 0)

The "peak of the Wright controversy" was monday.  I don't think it's that strong anymore.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:33:26 PM EST
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I think everyone knew this already... (2.00 / 1)

It will be in the news for a day, but it is not a surprise to anyone who has been watching him speak in favor of Obama on all the TV shows for the last two months while pretending to be "uncommitted." In fact, the orchestration of the whole thing leaves me with a feeling of another example of the hypocrisy that now seems to infest the entire Obama campaign narrative.

Whenever Richardson was interviewed he was clearly espousing Obama talking points, but then he'd say with that coy twinkly in his eye, something about still being undecided--like it gave his 'unbiased' opinion more credibility. The only persom more obvious in their faux impartiality is Donna Brazile. Expect her to 'wait until the very last minute' to 'decide."

I understand this is politics, and people chose when to endorse for what they think is the maximum effect, but the Obama campaign seems to run so much on these sorts of disingenuous tactics. The NAFTAgate, "It didn't happen," interview. So much trickery in squashing revotes in MI and FL. His immediate statements that he never heard incindiary language from Wright in church, which he now admits he did.

There is a pattern here, and it is a pattern of gaming the electorate with hypocrisy and lies. Sure this Richardson thing is not a big whopper like some of the others, but it is frustrating to turn on the TV everyday and see some sort of clever disingenuous nonsense coming from the Obama camp. Like today, the foolishness about Hillary Clinton attending a few meetings on NAFTA back in the 90's. They know that's a specious issue, but they are floating it out there for the fawning media to pick up anyway.

I know, Obama supporters are going to get all worked up defending Obama on each of the examples that I've listed and saying stuff like, "There is no proof....", "Show me some links that prove what you are asserting..." --maybe even some things a little more rough edged.

But, there is a pattern here. Doesn't it get tiresome having to watch these transparent maneuvers? Don't his supports feel queasy everytime, they are asked to pretend that he is a straight shooter? He is a brilliant orator, and people seem to be mesmerized, perhaps that's it. When he levels those eyes at the camera and speaks in that low slow baratone, it just drips with sincerity. It is quite a gift to be able to sell so much snake oil and keep your customers coming back for more. I just wonder how he pulls it off again and again and again.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:25:51 AM EST

Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

You're right, it is hard to argue facts with someone who continually invents strawmen in his/her own head.  I was wondering how this would be spun into a negative, though, so your post is enlightening in that regard.  Like no one believed Murtha has been in the Clinton tank for quite a while.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:33:25 AM EST
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Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

I didn't know Murtha was in the Clinton tank. I haven't seen Murtha on TV shilling for Clinton. Maybe I missed that one. Could you point to how you concluded Murtha was for Clinton prior to his annoucement? I sort of thought he'd go along with Pelosi, who is very much another stealth warrior in the Obama camp.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:41:14 AM EST
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Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

It's an inference from the fact that they've worked together on Capitol Hill for a long time, including during the Clinton Administration, and the fact that they fall fairly close together on the ideological spectrum.  Let's put it this way: I would never in a million years expect him to endorse Obama.  I think that his mind has likely been made up for quite some time, if it was even ever in doubt, but that they announced in PA for maximum effect.  I don't hold the timing of the event against the Clinton campaign (maybe they should have waited until a little closer to the primary, but whatever), so I don't see any reason for Richardson's timing to cause indignation, either.


by rfahey22 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:54:59 AM EST
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Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

Oh, well, when you put it that way, I guess I'm not surprised that Murtha came out for Clinton. He has lots of friends in the military and most of the military brass are in her camp.

I think Richardson is entirely another matter. He's been on TV all month telegraphing that he'd love for Obama to ask him to be VP while at the same time saying he is "uncommitted." And, I'm not indignant about Richardson. All I'm saying is that the campaign's practice of sending out people who are clear and obvious supporters to appear on TV and pretend that they are unbiased is part of a pattern of being too clever for their own good. I'm not sure why Axelrod thinks this is such a good tactic, since it raises the issue of dishonesty and lack of credibility. But, then again, I'm not a multi-million dollar campaign consultant.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10:44 PM EST
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Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

I agree.  For anyone listening to the banter back and forth from the Obama and Clinton campaigns, the Obama campaign is playing the same exact games, if not more.

The problem for Obama is that it completely flies in the face of what he stands for.

Clinton is the "fighter."  Obama is the "uniter."


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:38:20 AM EST
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Re: I think everyone knew this already... (none / 0)

Clinton is a fighter, I'll give you that.  But is she also a uniter?

I ask that because Obama is both a uniter and a fighter.  He unites people to fight for what is good for the country and against was has gone wrong.  He just said it again on Larry King 'we're a scrappy bunch'.

Sorry, just couldn't let the characterization that Obama is not a fighter slip by.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:29:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Si Se Puede! New Mexico and the West has now been won for Obama in the GE.

Richardson will be a great champion in this campaign for the White House.


by ListenNOW on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35:11 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Yout posted this already above.


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:39:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What's meant by the title? (none / 0)

Seriously, Jerome.  "Obama Richardson?"  I'm surprised you didn't put "Hussein" in the middle.

You're such an ass.


by McNasty on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:48:07 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

NOT surprised by this at all. Richardson is Obama's best choice for Veep by far. Richardson has the credibility and international reputation to answer for Obama's lack thereof.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:54:02 AM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

I agree.  It works so well with Obama's message of ending the divisions between demographic groups in this country for one thing.  But it also works well with Obama's position on talking to other world leaders...Richardson agrees totally in that respect and has a history of being successful with that approach.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:31:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Best choice?  Come on now.  Have you heard Richardson speak before?   Not so impressive.


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:35:15 PM EST
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Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Assuming you aren't being sarcastic, that's precisely the point. Having someone like Richardson in the passenger's seat makes it clear exactly what kind of foreign policy advice he'll be taking. And when you consider that his stated strategy involves tough diplomacy, Richardson puts some force behind Obama's talk. Foreign experience will be key this year. McCain will say you can't negotiate with nations like Iran, and Richardson has enough experience to dissent.

Think about it this way. Given how close both elections were, how well would W have done if he didn't have someone with as much perceived ( <--key word) clout and experience as Dick Cheney behind him?


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:51:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

This is a good endorsement for Obama.

However, I do wonder why Richardson is endorsing now after he said that if Clinton won Texas and Ohio, as she did, then "all bets are off" or something to that effect.  I thought that meant he was going to wait and see what happened if that were the case... and not just for Wyoming, Mississippi, and a pastor scandal - but for the rest of the primaries to play out.  


by mikes101 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:04:39 PM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Richardson is going to help carry the West?  I doubt it.  If Richardson had that much pull I think he would have endorsed Obama BEFORE the Texas primary.  

Richardson has been a weird dude throughout this campaign.  To wait until now for an endorsement suggests a deal--I think the VP spot is way too much to offer at this point and I don't think it is Obama's to offer.  He may have his hands tied in this regard by the closeness of the race and the need for some pre-convention brokering, especially if he gets pounded in Pennsylvania.
Perhaps HRC has made it clear that she doesn't want VP if it comes to that, but that would surprise me.

Please remember that the Dems lost NM in 2004 with Richardson as asitting governor.  He did squat for the ticket.


by Thaddeus on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:15:00 PM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Actually this does nothing to erode the Wright controversy.  

In betraying the Clintons and betraying his own very anti-Obama Hispanic community, as well as the results of his own state primary, it is Richardson who is the loser.

The Kennedys thought their "magic" among Hispanics would register.  It mattered not a damn.  From California to Florida to Texas, Hillary Clinton won them all.

Hispanics distrust Obama and remain loyal to the Clintons.  

Richardson, having done dismally in his own trek to the White House, wants now to be an Obama veep.

It won't happen, because Obama won't happen.  

The Wright story will be sending White voters in mass away from him come November.  

And poor Bill Richardson, who could barely muster a single percentage on his own path to the nomination, will look like the village idiot alongside the landslide loser Barack Obama.

Of course as far as Pennsylvania is concerned, this is a non-story.  Expect a huge Clinton blow-out--at least by fifteen, probably twenty percentage points.

Clinton haters--whether from the MSM or GOP--are the real Barack core.  His nomination exists only to defeat the Clintons, which has always been the #1 priority of the MSM.

Sadly, bedrock Democrats never bought Obama.  Not anywhere, and with thousands of newspaper endorsements, huge numbers of key Democrat endorsements from Kennedys to Kerry to Bradley to Napolitano and now Richardson--it never affected the vote in bedrock blue America one iota.

The Kennedys sang the praises of Barack.  Massachusetts and Rhode Island voters clobbered Barack.

Governor Janet Napolitano sang the praises of Barack.  Her owen Arizona went big time for Hillary.

Richardson now worships at the altar of Barack.  Planet Obama people (many bloggers here inhabit that planet) believe it makes a difference.

Nope.  Hispanics aren't voting for a guy at the top whose twenty-year pastor hates White America, even if the guy at the bottom is Latino.

Voters vote the top of the ticket, not the second spot.  

Geraldine Ferraro gave little movement of women to Walter Mondale.  Mondale still lost a landslide.  

Respected, urbane Texan Lloyd Benson did nothing in Texas to help Dukakis--another landslide loser.  

And John Edwards didn't matter a Fig Newton in changing any Southern states into the column for John Kerry.

And what do all of the above have in common?

Of course, they are LOSERS.

During his campaign, Bill Richardson had all the allure of a stiff board.  Nobody warmed up to him.  Nobody will now.

Help Obama?

I do indeed hope that Richardson made a deal with team Obama.

All the more reason for bedrock Democrats in Pennsylvania to give all those fawning Obama types a "what-for" in their primary.

In my native Ohio, where team Obama out-spent us by more than four-to-one, ran ads blanketing the state day and night, and had all but two of the state's major newspapers endorsing him, Ohioans afterwards sent this resounding message: No to Obama!

Obama lost in 83 of 88 Ohio counties, ensuring a blow-out win for the GOP here if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

If you're a Clinton supporter, you know how the Clintons overcome insurmountable odds.  That is the reason the entire MSM loathes them.

They're counted out throughout the 1990s--from "sex scandals" to WhiteWater to Starr Inquisition to Impeachment--but nothing gets them down.

The Kennedys sing the praise of Obama.  The MSM tells us that spells trouble for the Clintons.

Guess what?  Today the Kennedys, John Kerry, and Duval Patrick are in big trouble in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and NOT the Clintons.

Bill Richardson is going to find himself soon in a heap of trouble with his own core constituancy.

Betrayals only work in the world of the MSM and blogosphere, most of whom have been living on planet Obama.

They believed Obama's speech staunched his bleeding after the Wright commentaries.  The very recent polls suggest the opposite.  It only called attention to it.

Team Obama believes Richardson's endorsement is a big deal, like they once did all the Kennedy praise.

Nope.

Only on Planet Obama.

Hillary will blow away Obama in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky, and take all those winner-take-all delegates in Puerto Rico.

And the Wright story will be very much alive.

Then let the Democrats choose the sure landslide loser.

Hillary can run independent--and prevail.

Taking Hispanics in New Mexico along the way.

Top ticket Clinton would best bottom ticket Richardson, whose own top Obama has been corronated by a White-hating minister.

Richardson's endorsement, like all team Obama endorsements, means squat.

Losers do like to back losers.

And the Clintons, who triumph in the end over everything, know how to win.

Richardson doesn't belong in our Clinton camp.

Many have betrayed the Clintons before--it is the Clintons who are still standing.


by lambros on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:19:39 PM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Why did you put every sentence on a separate line?  Made your post too long.  Sorry, didn't read it.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:32:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm glad I'm not alone (2.00 / 1)

I did try to read it all, but the line spacing combined with obsessive need to discount most aspects of consensual reality made me scroll down.

I apologize.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:37:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

You forgot to mention that Oprah's ratings are down 20% since endorsing Obama.

:)


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:38:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

It's a simple signal for all to read! Richard is known for being a straight shooter--------if he see's the wright story as a no brainer an endorced obama over his long time friend Hillary Clinton-----------Richard is saying stop this------- It's time to pick our candidate, and that is obama. He brings with him 8 to 12% of hispanic vote, and those others that truely believe Richards would make a wonderful leader. I think this might be trend for the Delegates to stand up now and be counted. A whisper to Hillary (no more)!  This can carry this out-------and lose in Nov.---------or finally support the candidate that is the most electable.


by treadway on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:34:21 PM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Straight shooter?  Huh?  Did you see the debates?  I don't know is there was a more indecisive candidate on bothsides of the fence.


by mjc888 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:40:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

Are you a "Typical white person" ?


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:01:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

this is precisely NOT the time to endorse (none / 0)

as this is when the superdelegates are SUPPOSED TO excerise independent judgment, especially considering the Clinton won his state and with Bill, gave him his career. what an ungrateful bastard. especially when Obama's electability is in HUGE question, considering Wright and the "typical white person"


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:44:12 PM EST

Richarsdon doesn't help in Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Not an iota. He's a Mexican American and doesn't have Puerto Rican roots. They are two different communities. It's arguable about  how much Richards would have even helped outside of his home state anyway, given that clinton was already cleaning his clock among Latino/hispanic voters.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:50:02 PM EST

Re: Obama Richardson (none / 0)

This smells like a belated attempt to make himself relevant.  The timing is so strange that it seems like he's maybe trying to get out in front of something else.  I wonder if something bigger is on the horizon?


by dwmorris on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55:59 PM EST

Great endorsement...NOT!!!! (none / 0)

Richardson's endorsement will as be as effective and influential as the endorsements of Kerry and Kennedy in Mass. LOL

Further, there seems to be a similarity between Richardson and Kerry. Both are losers. (Unfortunately, as a loyal Democrat, I was a Kerry supporter. I've learned my lesson. I am leaning to vote for McCain in the event that Hillary will not be our nominee.)


by pleaseno on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:39:55 PM EST

Re: Great endorsement...NOT!!!! (none / 0)

Richardson has a MA connection as well he is a graduate of Tufts. Now you know where Obama is headed. LOL


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:50:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great endorsement...NOT!!!! (none / 0)

I am leaning to vote for McCain in the event that Hillary will not be our nominee.

Good to see Republican viewpoints on this site.  You serve to remind us that not everyone is a Democrat, and to not be such an echo-chamber that we forget legitimate political views.

Which issues of McCain's do you like the most?  His Iraq policy of long-term occupation, or his continuation of the Bush tax cuts?


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:11:13 PM EST
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