McCain Still Pressing False Connection Between Iran and Al Qaeda

After eight years of an administration that fudged intelligence to suggest a relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in order to get us into a protracted war in Iraq, are Americans really going to vote for a presidential candidate who is more than willing to fudge intelligence to suggest a connection between Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq?

For the second day in a row, Sen. John McCain's campaign linked al Qaeda in Iraq to Iran -- an assertion Democrats say is misleading if not outright inaccurate. The McCain campaign, which acknowledged that the senator misspoke on Tuesday, insisted that its statement today is fully supported by facts.

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At issue is whether forces in Iran, an overwhelmingly Shiite nation, are supporting al Qaeda, a Sunni terrorist group. U.S. intelligence agencies believe that Iran's security forces have been training and supplying weapons to Shiite militants in Iraq (a charge Iran denies).

Less clear is Iranian influence on al Qaeda, but McCain's statement today asserted a link: "Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."

While polling apparently shows that the American public believes that John McCain has the experience and strength to be President, the very much lingering question remains as to whether McCain understands whatsoever the situation in Iraq and the broader Middle East. For weeks, McCain has personally been peddling the false claim that there is a connection between Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq. He got caught in the act on Tuesday, only changing his tune at the behest of the very hawkish Joe Lieberman, only to have his campaign try to spin away his statement as a mere gaffe. As I argued yesterday, this was no gaffe, but rather a concerted effort by McCain and his campaign to paper over his misunderstanding of the region and of the war. This article from last night indicates they might not even be doing that anymore, resorting now to an attempt to reargue that there is a connection between Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq.

With all of this in mind, I ask again: Even considering McCain's apparent strength in polling, are Americans really going to elect someone who is fudging the facts about a purported relationship between Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq in the immediate wake of a presidency in which the administration went to great lengths to allege a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in order to get the country behind a war in Iraq?



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by fogiv on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:05:12 PM EST

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We better get a lot of useage out of the "Bomb Iran" clip.  People will buy McCain's BS for a time, just as they bought it about the Iraq War, unless it is dispelled quickly.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:06:16 PM EST

The Diarist has hit the proverbial nail... (none / 0)

on the head.

This is NOT a GAFFE.

Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and the rest of the nation...should watch McCain.

He is laying the foundation through soundbites, etc. for conflict with Iran. The only MSM person who seems to recognize this is Keith O.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:07:33 PM EST

Important Stuff (2.00 / 1)

To me, this really underscores just how ridiculous partisans favoring either Clinton or Obama are when they say they will vote for John McCain if their preferred candidate doesn't win the nomination.  Seriously folks, if you do that then remember that it'll be partially your fault when we're invading Iran and continuing GWB's failed economic policies for a third term.  

Thanks for flagging this stuff Jonathan.  Honestly, it's good that someone in the progressive blogosphere has their eye on what's really important.  


by HSTruman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:26:21 PM EST

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You are so right on about this. It infuriates me to hear a fellow Democrat say they are willing to vote for McCain. I completely understand people are very angry right now and it sucks to think you have invested so much energy into a candidate only to watch them lose. But this is not about personal feelings. This is about our country. Even with their flaws (and they both have them - let's just all agree on that), either candidate would be heads and shoulders above McCain.

I hope that once the dust settles on the nomiation, we will see our chosen candidate go toe-to-toe with McCain and, hopefully, people will rethink their decision to support him. I don't want to be naive - Bush won twice - so I hope that Obama (given that it's looking like he's going to be the nominee) will be able to reach those that he has been unable to reach. I think he can once he can focus on the big issues - he just has to. By God, if he can't, then our party is doomed.


by Dari on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:48:19 PM EST
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Good point about Bush being elected twice. It's a false proposition, but you have to remeber McCain, Obama and Clinton are all appealing to 300 million pushover bosses who probably haven't made the connection themselves.
Hey, the American Industrial, er hillbilly, I meand country music stations in my neck ofthe woods are still playing "Have You Forgotten?"
from time to time.

No Darryl, I haven't forgot Bin Lade--go ask  your boy George about him.


by spirowasright on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:04:31 PM EST
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The Iraq study group established years ago that there are connections between Iran and AQ.

It is an error to claim that Shiites will not support Sunnis if it helps them achieve their political goals.


by dMarx on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:34:22 PM EST

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Links/Sources?


by SocialDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:44:38 PM EST
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I don't know if anybody is reading this thread anymore but if interested here is the link to the Iran/Al Qaeda connection established by the 9/11 Commission.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/ 0,8599,664967,00.html


by dMarx on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:01:19 PM EST
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Thanks, I was not trying to be snarky. I was curious.


by SocialDem on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:22:30 PM EST
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The more I watch McCain, the more I see someone who is just a figurehead for the same neocon forces that propelled GWB to victory. This guy is at the tail end of his career and he is being propped up by the Cheneys of the world so they can finish off their agenda. We need to make this clear to moderate voters and let them know what they are really in for.


by animated on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:40:45 PM EST

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When are the voters and the media going to wake up to the fact that McCain is senile?


by creeper1014 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:49:16 PM EST

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You may have posted the above comment in anger and frustration, but I think the question about McCain's mental faculties warrants serious scrutiny. Has anyone witnessed any real, in-depth thinking from McCain during this campaign? (Of course, the same could be asked of any of the Rethug candidates and the answer would be "the null set.")

It's gonna be interesting watching the debates regardless of our candidate. Of course, I thought dubya made an idiot of himself during both the 2000 and 2004 debates and look what it got us.    


by Bob Miller on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:14:53 PM EST
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He is known for a violently irrational temper and that is very disturbing.

A President unable to control his rage is not desirable, that'd be some road rage.


by Marsha1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:13:58 PM EST
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Not Posted In Anger Or Frustration (none / 0)

Posted because I've known since the day McCain couldn't quote his own position on contraception that he's not playing with a full deck.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/campaign- trail/2007/03/mccain_is_stumped_on_the_s tump.html


by creeper1014 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:14:33 PM EST
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I'd only disagree to say that I don't think his shall we say lack of intellectual profundity is age-related. First and foremost, he just doesn't care about domestic policy. He wants to bomb Iran. Then Syria. Then maybe Russia or China. He'll bomb that bridge when we get to it.

In the post-election political coverage in 2000/01, a few reporters were mentioning what is apparently the open secret of the straight-talk express. McCain's a lot of fun to shoot the shit with, but not terribly bright.


by BlueinColorado on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:20:49 PM EST
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You're probably right.  He was elected solely on the strength of his status as a "war hero".  That's what he identifies himself as and it's all he'll ever be.

If we don't get our act together he's going to ride that fairy tale right into the White House.  Any man who could survive being a member of the "Keating Five" with a reputation for honesty is going to be a heluva formidable opponent.


by creeper1014 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:38:01 PM EST
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We can't let him ride that fairy tale into the Whit House. He should be attacked on his fake war hero status.  Obama is the real hero for being black.


by dMarx on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:04:09 PM EST
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Warmonger (none / 0)

I can honestly say that I've gone from being really excited about the prospects of our two candidates to extremely depressed within a very short period of time.  If we lose this election, it'll be entirely self-inflicted.  Can you really truly imagine McCain for another 4 years?  That would be the ultimate booby prize.  I'd be devastated.  I can't take anymore of what we've got now.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:49:29 PM EST

Petraeus Disagrees with McCain (none / 0)

Even Gen. Petraeus corrected the CNN reporter on the Iran/AQI connection yesterday. Just like Bush conflated Al Qaeda with Iraq to get us into Iraq so too is McCain conflating Iran with AQI to both keep us in Iraq and get us into Iran.

Even today, after all of the evidence, 9/11 commissions, etc. 60% of Republicans believe that Saddam was "responsible" for the 9/11 attacks. This is a free country and people are entitled to their own opinions and own allegiances. BUT NOT THEIR OWN FACTS. I don't know if it is Faux News or Rush or Hannity that perpetuate this or what.

I'm a liberal Democrat first. I'm an Obama supporter second. If Obama becomes "unelectable" over the course of the next month because of the Wright association I will be disapppointed, but then I will support Hillary strongly.

The alternative is just too scary and unfathomable. A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of GW Bush. It is really that simple. I really don't care about Hillary's tax records or who donated to the Clinton library. I don't care about Wright's or Power's opinions. I know that Hillary and Obama agree on about 90% of the issues that I agree with. McCain does not.


by chatters71 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:50:53 PM EST

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I didn't see Petraeus's comments, but perhaps some video wizard could juxtapose those with McCain's complete misunderstanding of the situation in Iraq and slap it up on Youtube?  

This issue should be getting about 100x more media play than Obama's pastor or Clinton's meetings on NAFTA.


by Nissl on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:42:16 PM EST
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With all of this in mind, I ask again: Even considering McCain's apparent strength in polling, are Americans really going to elect someone who is fudging the facts about a purported relationship between Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq in the immediate wake of a presidency in which the administration went to great lengths to allege a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in order to get the country behind a war in Iraq?

In other words, are Americans going to give Bush a third term?

Just flip a coin.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:27:06 PM EST

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TRM your friends would probably never vote for a black man or a white woman.  The truth is our country is still racially divided and will be until there is a larger amount of non-whites in our country.  How in the hell can anyone vote for McCain.  If roles were reversed and Bush was a dem, the Dems would get creamed in 8 months.  However, this country AS A WHOLE not talking about NY, or CA is still CONSERVATIVE/Bigoted.  Truthfully if John Edwards were running TRM you know they would vote for Edwards over McCain.  Unfortunately we will loose in 8 months because of our decision as dems to vote with our hearts and not our heads.  How sad....


by nzubechukwu on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:12:57 PM EST

Judgement to Lead on Day 1 (2.00 / 0)

What was Hillary going on about last week? Senator McCain has passed the Commander in Chief Test?

What a disgrace! Either she is the absolute worse judge of a person's ability or she is as disingenuous as Obama said she was yesterday. With judgement like that, she isn't fit to be PTA president.


by bgbosox on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:17:33 PM EST

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So the Shiite Iranians have been supporting the Sunni/Al Qaeda terrorists who have been destroying Shiite shrines and waging ethnic cleansing on Shiites?  Wow.


by Bob H on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:09:52 PM EST

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Despite the disturbing message of your diary, my eyes still wanted to glaze because the topic was John McCain.  When he was my Senator forever ago he also put me to sleep.  People don't understand McCain's secret weapon: he's so boring no one really listens to him, or even wants to listen to anything about him.  There's nothing he can say to stir any passion in anybody.  In an election that's stirring so much passion on the Democratic side, following a disastrous presidency by the charismatic Bush, McCain's blandness is somehow reassuring.  How can anybody so dull help but be experienced and competent?


by hearthmoon on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:48:10 PM EST

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Ladys and gentlemen: the foreign policy experience candidate! God I hope we win the white house.


bentheben
by bentheben on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:22:45 PM EST

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Let me think about this.

Yes, I think McCain does want to go to war with Iran.  

As you were.


by How Insane Is John McCain on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:02:40 PM EST


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