*Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania Widens

Channel 6 News out of Philadelphia is reporting this morning that Clinton's lead in the upcoming Primary has significantly increased in recent days. She is now leading in virtually every demographic across the board and by wide margins. She is also winning over most voters on the important issue of health care. Of great interest is the polling which shows her leading among all educational groups including those with college degrees. The Wright issue hanging over Obama has clearly hurt him not only in this state but across the country according to the latest Gallop Tracking poll showing Clinton gaining significant ground on Obama.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?sectio n=news/politics&id=6031150

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2037834020080320


Poll
Will Hillary Win PA by 15% or More
Yes: They Love Hillary
No: It will be closer

Votes: 57
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

When it that election? Around 32 days away?


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:13:20 AM EST

she's been going up (2.00 / 2)

since her Iraq exit plan speech that includes a ban on private armies. She laid out a clear and detailed exit plan and she then got Murtha's endorsement. Those retired professionals, military, diplomatic that back her clearly want us all the way out of there, not just troops but our business 'interests.' this is clearly necessary to allow diplomacy to work in getting the international community involved. No one wants to bail us out with us in charge and we keep the spoils of war. We need to get out and allow other interested parties to get a stake in the success of Iraq.  I"d guess she'll go up more and more as the brilliance and audacity of her Iraq exit plan sinks in with more of the anti-war public.  NOt just out of there, all the way out with Hilary!!


what a relief
by anna shane on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

The news cycle will change.  But it might get better or worse for Obama.  We don't know.  


by JoeySky18 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:12:01 PM EST
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Widened? (none / 0)

This is a 16 point spread. That's the same as the 3/15 Franklin & Marshall poll, and closer than either the 3/16 PPP poll or the 3/10 SurveyUSA poll. Just so you know...


by HatchInBrooklyn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:15:54 AM EST

Re: Widened? (2.00 / 2)

Widened from the previous lead by this polling outfit, as the article states. Those other polls you reference were not included in this article. Apples to apples.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:28:29 AM EST
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Thanks for pointing that out... (none / 0)

One can't make a "trend" out of comparing one poll from one week ago to another poll released today. They need to be from the same polling firm to actually put together to find a "trend".


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:59:03 AM EST
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Re: Widened? (none / 0)

Yes, widened.  

The spread is 51/35.  Last I checked my calculator, 51-35=26.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:48:27 AM EST
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Re: Widened? (none / 0)

Sorry.  Using new math here.  51-35=16 :( still a great margin.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:49:56 AM EST
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Re: Hillary jumps ahead nationally too (2.00 / 4)

A new Gallup Poll this morning show HRC now has a 49 - 42 nation-wide lead over BHO:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i dUSN2037834020080320


by moevaughn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:20:33 AM EST

Re: Hillary jumps ahead nationally too (2.00 / 1)

That poll was released yesterday. Gallup releases its newest tracking poll around 3PM every day.  Evidently Monday and Tuesday were especially good for Clinton.  In today's poll, we'll see what the Wednesday sample looked like.


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:24:35 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 2)

What is the point? Hillary is still going to lose the nomination b/c of FL and MI. Unless something happens, we are stuck with Mr. Hope and his posse.


by American1989 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:22:06 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 4)

I don't think you are right. When the Supers see how the momentum is shifting to HC and she is winning these last remaining states and well as ahead in the polls, then it will be lights out for Obama. You are putting too much emphasis into the Fl and MI contests, which ultimately will be decided before the convention, or otherwise will be fought on on the convention floor. The trip to Michigan by HC was a smart move and is going to put pressure on Obama campaign when voters and supers realize how he is trying to dis-enfranchise the vote of these two important states. The Fl and MI process is far from dead, like Obama people would wish for you to believe.


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by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:29:00 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

Chuck Todd reported yesterday that Clinton's trip to Michigan made it less likely that the Michigan legislature would agree to a re-vote. That, along with the funding to be provided by mostly Clinton supporters, gave the MI legislature the feeling that the election was for Clinton and paid for by Clinton.  


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:32:46 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

Has anyone else caught on to the fact that Chuck Todd apparently does not want Hillary Clinton to win? There's objective news reporting, and then there's punditry, and Chuck Todd's not really an objective reporter. Why they'd make an obvious pundit a political director is beyond me ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:48:06 AM EST
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Chuck Todd... (none / 0)


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:01:16 AM EST
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Chuck Todd... (2.00 / 2)

Is the political director for MSNBO, the cable network that has shown the most anti-Hillary bias we've seen this season. I don't think there's anyone left on that network (other than maybe Dan Abrams) that can honestly be described as "objective" and "impartial".


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:03:03 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

You mean Chuck Toddbama, that's his real name. Yes, I see that smirk on his face everyday. I wonder what look he is going to have when HC gets the supers coming to her side, which looks to be the case now. Another one to keep an eye on is Chris Matthews, this guy is a total Clinton hater and defector of the Democratic party in general. You have to wonder about a talk show host who uses the phrase, "When I heard Obama speak, I got a thrill running up my leg." I wonder why it has taken the media so long to paint Obama for what he really is....a true politician who can't be trusted.


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by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:15:03 AM EST
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Under what logic would Hillary's trip.... (2.00 / 1)

to Michigan make it less likely that a re-vote will happen?

I'm from Michigan (just moved to Arizona at the end of last year) and I can tell you the VOTERS will appreciate her visit.  There's no sealed border between us and Indiana and Ohio, the last time I checked.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:19:50 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 2)

This is looking more & more like history repeating itself. ( in a nightmare way)

In the 80's, the Liberal base of the party exclusively picked Mondale & Dukakis. Both times, Liberals truly believed that we could win. While the rest of the party & the country knew that we would get are ass kicked. We lost both races in a landslide fashion.

With Obama 2008, we are in an almost identical situation. Two Liberal blocks are IGNORING the rest of us. A majority of White Progressives & majority of African-Americans are going all out for Obama.

While the rest of us see imminent disaster. I am  resigned that no matter how we explain reality, these two groups are bent on making history in the nomination regardless of the general election outcome.

Watch closely. Just like the 80's.

We will keep the House Majority control but we lose both the Presidency & the Senate.

When white blue collar Reagan demoocrats come out in huge numbers in the GE against Obama, you can kiss goodbye to a number of Senate races such as Udall in NM, Franken in MN, Shaheen in NH, Lautenberg in NJ, etc etc etc.

I like Obama. I will vote for Obama.

But I have no doubt- his candidacy in Nov. will be a disaster. No speech can change that.


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:38:23 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

You're right!  
Although Obama and the media concealed damaging info about him until AFTER the primary was almost over - WE ARE NOW STUCK WITH A FLAWED CANDIDATE and are obligated to nominate him.
We have no choice!!
If not - the Obama posse will declare "Hillary stole the nomination"  and are saying they'll boycott and riot.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:42:48 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

It's pretty much foregone that Clinton will win Pennsylvania, but a few points that I think are important:

1) The election is still roughly a month away. This will probably tighten, but I suspect not by as much as Texas did, for example.

2) If Clinton wins by more than 20 points, that would seriously change the narrative to a 'blowout' and may put a dent in Obama's delegate lead. Someone with better delegate math skills than me might want to jump in. What would a 60-40 Clinton victory look like in terms of delegates? Is it just simply a 60-40 delegate split as well?

3) If Clinton wins by less than 10 points, she's close to being finished since by all accounts she is concentrating solely on Pennsylvania at this point.

4) What's up with her concentrating on Pennsylvania?! She should definitely be fighting HARD and EARLY in the next round of contests, including North Carolina, Indiana, Kentucky, South Dakota, etc. I don't think the Clinton team has learned its lessons. But it really needs to at least put up some presence in those states!


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:26:58 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 3)

i think she recognizes she needs a blowout. if she wins PA it's one thing. if she wins with 58-62% of the vote, heads will be turned.

specifically, Super Delegate heads will be turned.


by CalDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:28:33 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 3)

Yes, and everyday it looks like her lead grows, so that is a very positive sign. This Wright fiasco isn't going to go away for Obama any time soon, in fact the subject is being brought up again this morning by the media groups.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:39:57 AM EST
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Yep, Pennsylvania is Clinton Country... (2.00 / 1)

And I'm sure Hillary will do well in PA next month. PA's a state with BLUE-COLLAR, WORKING CLASS DEMOCRATS who care about the state of our troubled economy. This is a place where Hillary's message of fighting for the middle class resonates.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:07:31 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

That's the thing though; in none of these polls is Hillary taking nearly 60%; she has been steady in the low to nearly mid 50s; it's Obama who has lost some of his support to the ranks of the undecideds.

Remember in MS, how Obama was polling near 60% the entire time?  It turned out to be a blow-out on election day.  Here, Hillary has already peaked, at or around 55% or less.  I look for a narrowing of the polls, especially now that Obama is receiveing near universal praise for his historic speech on Tuesday.  

Look at Rasmussen and Zogby; they all had him losing support until Tuesday's speech.  Now they both have him back up.  All of the PA polls taken were before Tuesday.  Look for the next series of polls to show a much tighter race, say by 10% or less.

Time will tell whether I am right or just blowing smoke, but I think Rasumessen and Zogby over the last day says that I may be right.


by PittsburghPete on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:46:03 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

PA is not MS. We do not have 55% black voters!

PA is OH. Identical !

PA is much more NJ & MA than MS.

BIG DIFFERENCE!

MS is SC,GA,AL. All having 50% or more black voters.

BIG DIFFERENCE!


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:49:40 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

You missed my point.  You are correct; each state is different and the results of one (like how the white support for Obama in VA was higher than it was for Hillary, but way down in MS) don't translate to any other state.

My larger point was that Hillary's numbers have not been going up in PA, Obama's have taken a dip.  You are not seeing an increase of support for Hillary, you are seeing people pulling back from Obama.  Is this temporary?  Only time will tell.  Again I reference the Rasmussen and Zogby polls which show a temporary slide for Obama, followed by an uptick.  Will this trend continue?  Who knows.  Will this trend occur in PA in the next series of polls?  Who knows.  Only time will tell.


by PittsburghPete on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:57:08 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

The Zogby poll doesn't have a very good history of being accurate. I wouldn't bet on their tracking. I do believe that the wright controversy isnt going away and has left a bitter taste with many voters.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:20:14 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

We still continue to cite Zogby? After California? After Massachusetts? After Ohio? After Texas?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:50:18 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

Remember in MS, how Obama was polling near 60% the entire time?

Uh, he was mostly polling in the low-to-mid-fifties. And Zogby doesn't do national tracking, so I don't know what you're talking about there. Their latest national poll has him down from their previous one (which was back in February, I think).


by Shawn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:06:20 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

Listen...were not interested in a math lesson and are tired of hearing that. Bottom line is that a win in that all important state will again demonstrate that HC can carry the states that are necessary to win a general election, something that Obama hasn't proven that he can do and won't be able to do in the general.

As far as North Carolina is concerned she is now tied with him in latest polling and has sent her campaign guru, Ace Smith to lead the charge there. He is the guy who helped her win in California and Texas, so a smart move there.

She is leading in the Indiana and Kentucky contests and is campaigning today in Indiana with Evan Bayh, the popular Senator and former Governor of that state.  She plans to campaign in NC next week. So there you are. Everything is going her way.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:36:09 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

I disagree. She's expected to win Pennsylvania, and the more time she spends there bunker-style the more it will reinforce the idea that she expects to win big, and soon that turns into she MUST win big. In Pennsylvania, margin will matter.

In NC, she is tied in one poll that came out yesterday. There's been no further polling out of there as far as I know. Have you seen different.

Kudos to the team for sending Ace Smith there; but why aren't they sending equally impressive people to the other states as the Obama camp is doing?

Where have you seen she is leading Indiana and Kentucky? I've not seen a single poll out of these states. I agree Bayh will be of huge help in Indiana, but let's see some numbers before we say everything is going her way.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:43:23 AM EST
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Kentucky (none / 0)

Seeing as how Obama was actually behind McCain with Democrats in Survey USA's KY poll yesterday, I'm not sure how much more data we need to know that Hillary will probably take the primary. I would like to see something out of Indiana though.


by Shawn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:15:04 PM EST
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Re: Kentucky (none / 0)

Wow, that's kind of shocking that Obama would be behind McCain among Democrats. Thanks for pointing it out. But again, just one survey ... but disturbing if it begins to show a trend.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:51:10 PM EST
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What about the speech? (none / 0)

I thought that the best speech delivered since the beginning of time would have Obama leading by now. I read comments all over the net about how some Obabots cried on hearing the speech, some had orgasms, a few got Nirvana, some of them went into a trance etc. Why doesn't it show in the polls. Maybe he was preaching to the Obachoir.


by gaf on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:37:35 AM EST

Re: What about the speech? (2.00 / 1)

Public opinion doesn't work that way. Also most of the poll data was collected before the speech.


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:41:47 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (2.00 / 2)

ABC nightly news last evening was reporting on that speech and they indicated that the only folks that fainted over the speech were those who already support him. The speech got very mixed reviews and many are questioning his motive for even addressing this, some even called it a sermon.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:42:57 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (2.00 / 1)

Did you read newspaper articles in PA & OH. How white working class voters reacted to Obama's speech?

They were more pissed-off than anything. It was a negative reaction.

While we had liberal whites who are supporting Obama having tears in their eyes.

There is such a HUGE disconnect that it will be IMPOSSIBLE to bridge by November.

If Clinton starts winning by 15-25 pts in states like PA,IN,WV,KY,PR & 5-10pts in NC-
this could really put so much pressure on Super Delegates!

All these states have millions of reagan democrats. The same democrats who will decide the winner in November.


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:45:11 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (none / 0)

Again, who knows?

As I remind people all the time, just before the 1992 Democratic convention, Bill Clinton was in THIRD, behind both Perot and Bush. People were saying that the Dems were doomed and that maybe there should be a coup to deny him the nomination.

But somehow he did win the presidency.


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:49:10 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (2.00 / 1)

How in the world can you even compare then Governor Bill Clinton to now Senator Barack Obama ?

We are talking about a White Moderate Southerner who happened to be a three term Governor of a Southern State. He even had to pick ANOTHER White Southerner in Al Gore just to seal the deal as far as being accepted by Reagan Democrats & middle america voters.

Politics is ALL about perception.

Sen. Obama is a Black Liberal from Chicago. He is on his 3rd year of his 1st term as Senator.

And now with the Rev. Wright RACIAL scandal to add to all this ?

Do you UNDERSTAND HOW BIG of a difference that is for millions of mainstream whites & reagan democratic whites ????

If these voters rejected perceived White Liberals Kerry,Dukakis, and Mondale- you think they will have a BORN AGAIN experience & look at a perceived African-American Liberal from Chicago as some Savior of mankind?

Do you really understand what people here are trying to point out.


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:58:43 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (none / 0)

They don't understand and probably don't care either. Many of his supporters are first time voters who know nothing about politics or the history of the Democratic party or its nominees. They will ride his tails to defeat in November, and then wonder why such a masterful speaker, could have lost the election...I pity them.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:14:23 PM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (none / 0)


Did you read newspaper articles in PA & OH. How white working class voters reacted to Obama's speech?

They were more pissed-off than anything. It was a negative reaction.

Can you give links to the PA/OH newspaper articles? Maybe I can diary it.


by gaf on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:08:15 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (none / 0)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9132.html


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:14:43 AM EST
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Re: What about the speech? (none / 0)

Posted a diary at DKos.

What are rules on crossposting diaries. Can I also copy the diary & post it here?


by gaf on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:01:32 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

So Clinton wins in PA. So what? She is still not getting the nomination. Her only hope is a total meltdown of the Obama campaign that will force him to withdraw. The only issue that can do that is the Wright controversy. but Obama is handling it skillfuly, as well as Bill Clinton handled his Bimbo eruptions.

No doubt there are a couple more whacky Chicago associates of Obam who will be dug up. But Obama will handle them just as skillfully.

PA is a consolation prize. She can have it.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:40:55 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (2.00 / 1)

ROF-LOL: Please spare us. Consolation prize? One of the most important swing states that is absolutely essential to winning a general election and this nut calls it a consolation prize.

Obama handling the Wright controversy skillfully? If that is the case then why isn't the story going away, and why are voters still talking about it. You need to get realistic. Obama is in deep trouble and Clinton is handling it masterfully. Obama is not electable and supers are now seeing the light of day with him


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:47:56 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

It is just too early to tell.  It wasn't that long ago that Elliot Spitzer was Governor of NY and no one had seen those videos of Wright.  We have no idea what will happen in the next month or so and it's pretty unlikely that there won't be something new that will affect the vote.


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by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:50:46 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

You CANNOT compare ExtraMarital videos with RACIAL videos ! Especially racial videos against a White Majority in this country.

Do you understand the difference between the two.

Many politicians have been caught cheating. Many are still in office & are forgiven by voters.

Why? Because cheating is unfortunately widespread in today's society. People are much more emphatic & understanding. Most people know someone's marriage that's in trouble.

But Rev. Wrights & Obama's racial episode???

You think White voters will all of a sudden forget about that?

Watch Obama's numbers. Especially if Clinton wins PA by 20 pts or more. You could easily see her Winning NC & IN big on May 6.

Just like Oklahoma & Tennesesse, She will probably carry WV & KY by over 30 points !

7 of the 10 remaining primary's have large populations of Reagan Democrats. Remember that.

Plus she will win Puerto Rico by a landslide.

Do you know what that will do to Obama's standings if he is the nominee?

If SD's stay with Obama, its a disaster in Nov.
If they go with Hillary, Obama supporters will go nuts.


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:06:33 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

Count the delegates. Even the Clintons cannot repeal the rules of Arithmetic. Or is she hoping for a miracle? Did not work out too well for Huckabee.

Just because Clinton wins PA in the primary does not follow that she can win it in a GE. Just because Obama did not carry PA does not mean he will lose it in the GE.

Clinton is following Mondale's winning strategy. It will work as well for her in the GE.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:28:38 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (2.00 / 1)

"No doubt there are a couple more whacky Chicago associates of Obam who will be dug up. But Obama will handle them just as skillfully."

You are likely referring to Bernadette Dohrn and William Ayers, the still unrepentant Weather Underground bombers. His connection with them is yet another nail in his coffin. The Weather Underground folks only regret not bombing more targets before being apprehended, and still make statements to that effect. At another time they would likely be dismissed as relics of the 60's, but times have changed in the public attitude toward terrorist bombings. Their bombings do not add a thing to Obama's electability, and with the timing not in his favor, outing his political  alliance with them in Chicago may further erode his support in the polls. So many people are now asking, "What else do we not know about Obama?" and the Weather Underground will come as yet another unwanted answer to that question.


by 07rescue on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:55:17 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

You don't live in inner city Chicago without getting to know some whackos. So what?  That is part of Obama's strength. His life experience is very varied. The same things that will destroy ordinary politicians are not harming him. It enrages his enemies even more that he is so charmed.

I understand the bitterness in some of the responses. After the  ong struggles Senator Clinton has had in her life to get to this point, to be behind 52-47 must be frustrating. Especially as there is just no way to make up for it in PA, even with a landslide win.Frustrating thing, math is.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:36:25 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton wins PA (none / 0)

"You don't live in inner city Chicago without getting to know some whackos. So what?  That is part of Obama's strength. "

To a liberal, upscale crowd, somewhat. That will get him around 10% of the electorate. Let's see, being friends with violent radical bombers who succeeded in murdering their own bombmakers and leveling a Greenwich Village town house with an accidental detonation just isn't that much of an asset in a national election...


by 07rescue on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:44:50 PM EST
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*Breaking News* Reality gap for Clinton Widens (none / 0)

breaking news:

a 15% win will only move her from really really far behind to really far behind.  Especially since the most delegate rich parts of the state will vote Obama.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:51:04 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Reality gap for Clinton Widen (none / 0)

again...ROF-LOL


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:04:01 AM EST
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QUESTION??? (none / 0)

If Hillary wins all the upcoming contests, but the DNC doesn't seat FL/MI and Obama still has the most delegates/pop vote without FL/MI....

Does the DNC just ignore these contests and that fact that the momentum is with her?


by nikkid on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:00:35 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

Look at this report out today by Politico showing that people are pissed off with Obama after giving that speech, put a fork in this guy he is finished the rest of the way and the supers will never support him now.  Go hillary!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9132.html


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:01:30 AM EST

Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

This is the DISCONNECT!
Obama's intended target, white reagan democrats were pissed-off with his speech.

While his white liberal supporters were in tears.

Unbelievable!

In an NY paper, they were interviewing white working class people in a heavily Italian & Irish neighborhood.

To a man, everyone was saying,

" we don't have no problems with blacks. It's Rev.Wright & Obama who got issues with White america. So that's his problem, not ours"


by libdemusa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:11:44 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking News* Clinton's Lead in Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

These white liberal voters were the same ones that nominated Mondale and Dukakis, and look what we got..landslide defeats. The same thing will happen again if this guy gets the nomination....whether his loss will have coattail effects in the Senate, I'm not certain, but overall it will be a big loss for the Democrats in November and a huge win for HC for 2012.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:25:59 AM EST
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Hillary is the Mondale of this race. Obama is the insurgent. She was ahead until people started to vote, She will start to look good once most of the primaries are over. She is good at every aspect of politics except winning elections.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:41:43 AM EST
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Yeah that is why she won two elections by landslides in New York Right? Please give us a break. She will be the next nominee of the party thanks to Obama screwing up by not denouncing Rev Wright and by lying to the voters about his presence at the church when wright gave those hateful sermons. He has no one to blame but himself, and of course the supers will not vote, knowing that he is minced meat over that controversy. Put a fork in Obama. Done Finished!


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:49:21 AM EST
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"She is good at every aspect of politics except winning elections."

She won her re-election as NY Senator with 67% of the vote, taking 58 out of 62 counties, including most of the Republican counties. That's a landslide.


by 07rescue on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:48:37 PM EST
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In an NY paper, they were interviewing white working class people in a heavily Italian & Irish neighborhood.

Do you remember which was the newspaper?

by gaf on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:06:09 PM EST
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Hm.. the more Obama shines the more frustrated and angry his enemies become. Your rage is evidence that he is succeeding.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:38:33 AM EST
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Once Again: ROF-LOL....some success he is having these days, behind in every poll, about to lose Pennsylvania by huge numbers, losing ground in NC, behind in West Virginia by large numbers, losing to women and blue collar workers, losing to white men and labor union workers, losing to hispanics, losing the message on health insurance....I could go on, but I think you get the message...yeah some success he is having these days. LOL


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:54:06 AM EST
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"Hm.. the more Obama shines the more frustrated and angry his enemies become. Your rage is evidence that he is succeeding."

Funny, I'm not hearing the same rage you are. Obama has been sliding in the polls since the beginning of February, as the first blush wore off and people started to get to know him better, and get to see some actions by which to judge him, instead of his oratory alone. That is the reality check that voters make, and so we are seeing a corrected version of his real support. This is essential to know whether to allow him to become the nominee.

If the Democratic Party sees him slip terminally in the polls, and sees Clinton winning big in the remaining primaries, rules out of nowhere will begin to appear, and the path to her nomination will clear. They do not want a landslide McCain victory that will drag down the entire ticket, and local candidates. Above all else, politicians are practical.


by 07rescue on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:55:42 PM EST
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Breaking REPORT from Bloomberg that Obama's Cheap words may prove costly to him as news of his speech is filtered across the country. Great Story.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601039&refer=columnist_carlson& sid=ajFAhD0JglNg


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:34:23 AM EST

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Why the bitterness?  She will still be Jr. Senator from NY.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:44:22 AM EST

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Then Obama can join her as the Jr. Senator from Illinois...which is what's going to happen. !!


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:56:51 AM EST
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BTW and I should emphasis this for those "O" people to ponder. Have you noticed how the media outlets (I use Google) are beginning to focus more Clinton's positives these days and less on Obama, especially since the Wright Fiasco. Looks like the media bandwagon for Obama is history. It's about time, or better late than never.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:02:29 PM EST

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HRC will get over 60% of the vote in PA.  And let me also say that BO anti-war stance is going to do no better in the GE than McGovern's did in 1972.  

The BO crowd just doesnt understand that while voters may not support the war then are also sick and tried of his blaming everyone for the war who voted for the resolution.  Voters blame Bush for the mess in Iraq and not HRC and not McCain.  And his constant going on about how he has better overall judgement because he was in the IL senate and HRC and McC voted with Bush is not going to go over well.  Kerry tried this and it never helped.  Voters want solutions and a vistion for the future

Voters are sick of blame and want solutions and BO's campaign of immediately withdraw is going to be a HUGE loser with middle american voters.  And sadly he doesnt get it just like McGovern didnt get it.

david


by giusd on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:12:21 PM EST

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Hear, Hear....I will second that comment.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:18:21 PM EST
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