Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass

Thought you might be interested in hearing about a conference call with some of Hillary's supporters - all flag officers and high-ranking generals who're backing her in her run for the White House.  I was fortunate enough to hear about this call and listened in for a while and what impressed me the most in listening to these men and women, is how confident they are that Hillary will look after them and won't deploy them needlessly.  I'd imagine that's of main concern to two of the men on today's call - one has a son currently serving in Iraq, and the other has a son in Afghanistan.  Many have served under many presidents (one said he's served under 8) and to a person - they've said that Hillary is the most qualified and the most ready to lead our nation, and do right by our troops - both active and veterans.

Take a look at what Hillary had to say on Friday, on a stage with a lot of these top generals and flag officers in Texas regarding her readiness to lead.

Ok make the jump - you know you want to...

Ok here's the first of the press releases...

Eighteen Admirals, Generals and Senior Defense Officials on Why They Support Hillary Clinton to be the Next Commander-in- Chief

Eighteen admirals, generals, and senior defense officials today gave their reasons for supporting Senator Clinton to be our next Commander-in- Chief.   In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, some of the nations most distinguished flag officers testified to Senator Clinton's qualifications, experience, and strength of character.

They are among the nearly 30 general and flag officers who have endorsed Hillary Clinton to be the Nations next President.   Senator Clinton has received five endorsements in recent days, including those of General Henry Hugh Shelton, the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral William Owens, the former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba.   Overall she has the endorsement of two former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, five admirals and generals at the four-star rank.   They are in addition to over 2,000 veterans and military retirees who are members of Senator Clintons national and state veterans steering committees.

The list of those taking part in today's call is below.

General Wesley Clark
Admiral William Owens
General Johnnie E. Wilson
Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
Major General Paul D. Eaton
Rear Admiral Stuart Platt
Rear Admiral David Stone
Major General Antonio M. Taguba
Brigadier General Michael Dunn
Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote
Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
Brigadier General Jack Yeager
Former Secretary of the Army and Veterans Affairs Togo West
Former Secretary of the Navy, John Dalton

And then the follow up complete with links to audio / mp3 files of several of the participants (let me know if you have trouble with the links and I'll see what I can do to sort them out)...

TESTIMONIALS: Former Admirals, Generals and Senior Defense Officials on Why They Support Hillary Clinton to be the Next Commander-in-Chief

In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, former Admirals, Generals, and senior defense officials today gave their reasons for supporting Senator Clinton to be our next Commander-in-Chief.  

Their testimonials highlight Senator Clinton's qualifications, experience, and strength of character.

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General Wesley Clark

Click here for audio

"She has done her homework on national security and I know from my personal discussions with her and with many other friends that go in and brief her in her role in the Senate Armed Services Committee. She knows the facts, she knows the details, plus she has the big picture. She is a strategic thinker but she has the building blocks of the strategy in her personal knowledge. This is someone that when she is president our military is going to respect very highly, and when our Senior Officers brief her and meet with her they are going be very, very impressed by what she knows and the intelligence that she brings to these problems."

Brigadier General John Watkins, Jr.
Click here for audio
"As I think about the challenges facing the nation and having been in uniform for almost thirty years, worked with a number of presidents to include the last four, I can't think of a single person - those generals included - who is better qualified to walk into the Oval Office than Hillary Clinton. I don't make that statement very lightly. She is more qualified, in my view, than her husband Bill was when he entered the office. It is no surprise to me that you would have as many flag officers who serve this country and Secretaries of the Army and Navy who have served this country who would come out and support Hillary."

Major General Paul Eaton
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"On a personal note, I have a Special Forces Captain son and a Sergeant Paratrooper both in Afghanistan and I find Senator Clinton the perfect choice to be their Commander-in-Chief and to display the loyalty to command our armed forces and to rebuild them after the conflicts in which we are engaged right now."

Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy
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"I support her because I trust her. I trust Hillary Clinton because of her judgment and her leadership. I have confidence that she is responsive to the needs of people. I believe that she understands leadership the way we do in the Army and that is that it's about building connections and relationships and establishing guidance and leadership for others.

I think she'll rebuild relationships with other countries that have been suffering for the last seven or eight years; those relationships have really been strained beyond anything I would have anticipated. Another part of Hillary Clinton that I think is just tremendous is that she knows our reality. She is in touch with people, she listens to people. She decides what she believes about policy based on what's right, she has integrity, and on what works, so she's practical."

Lieutenant General Frederick Vollrath
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"I support Senator Clinton because I believe it's time for change in our country, a new direction. And I know change carries with it risks. Senator Clinton is the candidate, in my opinion, with the proven experience that truly understands the risks and how to possibly cope with those risks to get the job done. We shouldn't shirk from change because of the risks, but we absolutely have to have a leader with the proven experience. America , in the area of national defense, must be successful and Senator Clinton has that experience to create change, to understand the risk, and to get the job done."

Admiral William Owens
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"In this world that we face today, very complex as all of us know, I think experience will be really at a premium, especially at the level of the Commander-in-Chief. There's not time to learn. The phone rings and you have to be ready. You have to ready with intuition, with experience and with skills. And this world will have the complexities that perhaps we've never before seen. I've been impressed with and admire Hillary Clinton for her work in the Senate. And we need people with great judgment. I think she brings the best of talent, intuition and experience to handle these unknown threats in the future."

These men and women, who've served our nation with honor and are (I'm certain) very keen on how our troops and veterans will be treated by our next leader are in Hillary's corner 1000% in this campaign.  As you can see by what they had to say in today's call, they're confident she'll know what to do when push comes to shove.  They know she'll have what it takes to make the right call when that phone rings in the middle of the night.

Senator Obama's been making a lot of noise about Hillary's claim that she's ready to lead on day one - that she'll know what to do if when that phone rings at 3 am.  He's falling back on his argument that she voted for that war resolution 6 years ago, as if that single vote was the sole cause for the things Bush has done since.

Sen. Obama's tried repeatedly to shift the blame for this war from George W. Bush's shoulders onto Hillary's.  I've pointed out repeatedly that this is an unfair claim - that her main focus was in making sure we got inspectors into Iraq to prove there weren't any WMDs, and go the diplomatic route in dealing with Saddam Hussein, so I won't repeat myself on that tonight.

Rather, I'll let Amb. Joe Wilson do the talking.  He posted an article on Huffington Post earlier today - he starts off by pointing to several statements BO made in 2004 regarding is views at the time.  In once instance he said he had no idea as to how he would have voted since he wasn't in the senate and wasn't privy to all the information, and in another was quoted as saying there wasn't much difference between his position and Bush's when it came to Iraq.   In his book, The Audacity of Hope, (2006), he wrote, "...on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." He goes on to say...

I was involved in that debate in every step of the effort to prevent this senseless war and I profoundly resent Obama's distortion of George Bush's folly into Hillary Clinton's responsibility. I was in the middle of the debate in Washington. Obama wasn't there. I remember what was said and done. In fact, the administration lied in order to secure support for its war of choice, including cooking the intelligence and misleading Congress about the intent of the authorization. Senator Clinton's position, stated in her floor speech, was in favor of allowing the United Nations weapons inspectors to complete their mission and to build a broad international coalition. Bush rejected her path. It was his war of choice.

There is no credible reason to conclude that Obama would have acted any differently in voting for the authorization had he been in the Senate at that time. Indeed, he has said as much. The supposed intuitive judgment he exercised in his 2002 speech was nothing more than the pander of a local election campaign, just as his current assertions of superior judgment and scurrilous attacks on Hillary Clinton are a pander to those who now retroactively think the war was a mistake without bothering to acknowledge Senator Clinton's actual position at the time and instead fantasizing that she was nothing but a Bush clone. Obama willfully encourages and plays off this falsehood.

Now I've written about his failure to hold substantive meetings or hearings of the subcommittee BO chairs since taking charge over a year ago on several occasions.  I won't cover that ground again but Wilson does point out that BO's choice to campaign for the presidency over holding hearings of meetings to find ways to involve NATO more in what's happening in Afghanistan show's (ahem) poor judgment.  He goes on to say...

As a consequence of Obama's dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a feckless administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies. Of course, if you don't hold hearings, conduct oversight, make recommendations or sponsor legislation, then you have no record to explain or defend and you are free to take whatever position is convenient when attacking those who actually did address issues. Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, Obama holds forth on Afghanistan, chiding the administration and our allies as though he's a profile in courage and not someone who has abandoned his post in establishing accountability.

Wilson doesn't pull any punches in his close - not one bit...

Obama's gyrations on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran are not the actions of one imbued with superior intuitive judgment, but rather the machinations of a political opportunist looking to avoid having his fingerprints on any issue that might be controversial, and require real judgment, while preserving his freedom to bludgeon his adversary for actually taking positions as elected office demands. It is hard to discern whether Senator Obama is a man of principle, but it is clear that he is not a man of substance. And that judgment, based on his hollow record, is inescapable.

As for readiness to take on McCain in the general election, take a look at what Hillary had to say to her press corps on the plane today...

This campaign's been going on for over a year now and I'm guessing the candidates are getting a bit tired - easily confused maybe.  I found something earlier today that points to how tired the candidates must be getting at this point in the campaign.  We all make mistakes and I'm going to chalk this down to folks being human, but I thought it was worth straightening something out here regarding something BO claimed in one of his stump speeches in OH earlier today.  Take a look...

Sen. Obama Misleads on Hillary, NIE
3/2/2008 4:51:44 PM

Today in Ohio, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary Clinton by making a highly misleading statement about the Iraq war resolution:

Now I have to say, when it came to making the most important foreign policy decision of our generation - the decision to invade Iraq - Senator Clinton got it wrong. She didn't read the National Intelligence Estimate. Jay Rockefeller read it, but she didn't read it.

Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution, not against it, as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. On national television, his top strategist also falsely claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution.

Sen. Clinton explained to Tim Russert, "I was fully briefed by the people who wrote [the NIE]. I was briefed by the people from, you know, the State Department, the CIA, the Department of Defense." Sen. John Kerry, a supporter of the Obama campaign, echoed these sentiments this summer saying, "I didn't read the full report because I got it from them straight."

(Source)

Lastly, I thought I'd close with something fun.  Hillary was giving a big foreign policy speech at a campaign event in DC a week ago, and she got a surprise guest at this event.  And oh yeah, she was joined on that stage by - you guessed it - all those top brass who're backing her in this election (they really ARE stepping up to the plate for this lady!).  Take a look...

Gotta love Ellen Degeneres!

This woman is ready to lead on day one.  Those officers know it and so do millions of other folks.  If you want to see her make it to the White House - if you want her answering that phone with it rings in the middle of the night then we've got to dig deep and send her some love...

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Nearly 30 Top Brass Believe In Her (2.00 / 6)

I can't imagine what their combined experience in national security and all things military add up to.

These folks know what they're talking about when it comes to readiness to lead and deal with the tough problems in this world.

If you agree, then I'm guessin' you know what to do...

CONTRIBUTE NOW!

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Oh yeah - hit the rec button.  Folks need to know about all this stuff! ;)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:35:13 PM EST

Re: Nearly 30 Top Brass Believe In Her (2.00 / 4)

Wes Clark and the rest of our country's "top brass" military officers are 100% correct. Hillary's done her homework, and will be an exceptional Commander in Chief.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:34:08 PM EST
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This is also at (2.00 / 1)

DKos!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/2/2 2249/89441/196/467626

Give it some rec'd and attention PLEASE!  :)


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:44:22 PM EST
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I feel obligated to ask... (none / 0)

Sorry if this comes off as skeptical, but after the Bush administration I find it best to question everything, especially in such an important election.

Is it possible that ranking members of the military have their own best interests at heart? To stay relevant and in business? Believe you me, there will be more war under Hillary. She is a "fighter" and a "commander in chief" right?
And when that 3am call comes in, she cannot afford signs of weakness. Like say... reading NIE reports.

Much the same way the med insurance companies have donated so much to Hillary's campaign that plans to force everyone to buy into health insurance.

Imagine if you owned a comapany and the POTUS wanted to make a law forcing the ENTIRE population into buying your product.

That'd put a smile on my face.
 


by bdwilson on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:06:05 AM EST
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Re: Nearly 30 Top Brass Believe In Her (none / 0)

How Hillary's Campaign and GWB's Iraq War are Alike:

1. Both were arrogant enough to think that they will just walk over the competition.

  1. Both had the unfounded confidence that once they beat the so called opposition they will be greeted with flowers, no matter what it takes to win.
  2. Both did not do any grass root work to find out what the ground reality is.
  3. Both are adament that their strategy was sound.
  4. Both never anticipated a long drawn out battle.
  5. Both surround themselves with 'yes-men'.
  6. Both are reluctant to change their strategy because that would be tantamount to accepting that there was/is something wrong with it in the first place

This from the LA times this morning (Yes CA)
Some polls show her leading in Ohio but tied in Texas; the race in both states is considered close.

Already, some in Clinton's senior staff are pointing fingers over what went wrong, with some of the blame aimed at Clinton herself. As the race unfolded, neither Clinton nor anyone else resolved the internal power struggles that played out with destructive effect and continue to this day.

Chief strategist and pollster Mark Penn clashed with senior advisor Harold Ickes, former deputy campaign manager Mike Henry and others. Field organizers battled with Clinton's headquarters in northern Virginia. Campaign themes were rolled out and discarded, reflecting tensions among a staff bitterly divided over what Clinton's basic message should be.

The dispute over Bill Clinton's schedule shows how easily plans can unravel. Some campaign staffers didn't expect to win South Carolina overall, but "our strategy was to go after specific districts in South Carolina" to add to the delegate total while freeing Bill Clinton to spend time in other Southern states, said a Clinton campaign aide.

But Bill Clinton said " 'I need to be in South Carolina,' " the aide said. "It was a one-man mission out there."

Obama, who leads Clinton in delegates, would pose problems for any candidate. But aides to Clinton said the dysfunction within her campaign team made its task that much tougher.

Joe Trippi, a senior advisor to John Edwards' now-dropped Democratic campaign, said: "At some point the candidate has to step in and bust heads and say 'Enough!'

"If there's fighting internally, the candidate has to step up and make it clear what direction she wants to go and stop this stuff dead in its tracks. Otherwise there's going to be a struggle for power and control right until the end. It's crippling."

Last month, after a series of defeats, Hillary Clinton chose a new campaign manager, replacing Patti Solis Doyle. But she left in place many senior people, including Penn and Ickes, who have been involved in incessant turf wars.

As the campaign faces a make-or-break moment, some high-level officials are trying to play down their role in the campaign. Penn said in an e-mail over the weekend that he had "no direct authority in the campaign," describing himself as merely "an outside message advisor with no campaign staff reporting to me."

"I have had no say or involvement in four key areas -- the financial budget and resource allocation, political or organizational sides. Those were the responsibility of Patti Solis Doyle, Harold Ickes and Mike Henry, and they met separately on all matters relating to those areas."

Howard Wolfson, the campaign's communications chief, answered that it was Penn who had top responsibility for both its strategy and message. Another aide said Penn spoke to Clinton routinely about the campaign's message and ran daily meetings on the topic.

One running debate within Clinton's campaign was whether her defeats -- she has lost 11 straight contests -- were due to organizational lapses or a faulty message.

Some aides say organizational problems were the most significant, as Obama outworked Clinton in many states and sent in organizers earlier.

That problem may go back to well before the lead-off contest, in Iowa. In June, Clinton's Iowa staff requested 150 organizers; headquarters approved a budget for 90.

By September, Iowa staff were sending out warnings about Obama's strength. "We are being outnumbered on the ground on a daily basis by his campaign, and it is beginning to show results," said a memo to top campaign officials on Sept. 26, about three months before the state's caucuses.

Clinton's "call time into Iowa is routinely cut. . . . Not only does Obama spend more time in Iowa . . . but he spends more time making political phone calls into Iowa as well," the memo said. "His persistence and one-on-one approach has earned Obama the support of several key activists who are decision-makers in their counties."

The memo asked for 100 more field organizers "immediately."

Later, Clinton did bring more organizers to Iowa. She finished third, behind Obama and Edwards.

The campaign also had trouble settling on a way to confront Obama. Top aides could not agree on whether, or how, to attack him.

"Why aren't we attacking him?" Bill Clinton asked at a high-level staff meeting Dec. 1 at the Clintons' Washington home, according to people familiar with events. With aides sitting around the dining room table, Bill Clinton said it was time to get more aggressive with Obama.

The following day, in Iowa, Hillary Clinton called a news conference to execute the strategy of questioning Obama's character. "Now the fun part starts," she said.

But the attacks were sporadic. Aides warned that Iowans dislike personal attacks, so Clinton quickly pulled back. Sustained criticism of Obama didn't come until later in the campaign season.

Another unresolved question went to the core of Clinton's identity. Penn wanted to emphasize her "strength and experience" and her command of issues -- an approach the campaign adopted.

But others worried that in emphasizing her steely resolve, the campaign was ignoring the reality that many voters disliked Clinton. They wanted to humanize her.

The campaign produced a 60-second television ad before the Iowa caucuses that attempted to do so. In it, Clinton told the story of her mother leaving Chicago on a train at age 8, accompanied only by her 3-year-old sister, to live with grandparents in Los Angeles. It was a poignant story that campaign aides hoped would also highlight Clinton's interest in children's issues.

But Penn tested the advertisement with voters. He reported back that it did not play well in Iowa, and it never aired -- leaving some aides grumbling that an opportunity had been missed.

The dispute flared anew after Clinton's defeat in South Carolina. At a meeting in the Arlington, Va., headquarters, Penn and others gave a PowerPoint presentation on what was billed as a new message: Clinton would be championing "Solutions for America."

Henry, then the deputy campaign manager, objected, according to people at the meeting. He said it sounded like a repackaging of the old message that Clinton was a strong leader rather than a warm person. Indeed, a top item in the PowerPoint was "strength and experience" -- a theme Clinton had been stressing for months.

Henry asked: "Is this what we're doing, or is it up for discussion?"

Penn said Clinton had already approved the new message.

At that point, Henry asked if the campaign had learned anything from its defeats. It should be clear, he said, that voters want to see a more human side of her.

"This is not bringing out the humanity in her," Henry said, according to people present.

Penn countered that the reason for many of her defeats, particularly in smaller states, had been a lack of organization, not the message -- a swipe at Henry and others in field work.

In the end, Clinton backed Penn. Henry left the campaign. And Clinton has been casting herself as someone in the "solutions business" -- a message she repeats as she makes a stand in Ohio and Texas.

The campaign dubbed her final weekend appearances in Texas and Ohio "Solutions for America" rallies.

" 'Solutions for America,' " one campaign aide said. "It sounds like something you'd buy at the pharmacy."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-clintoncamp3mar03,0,341905,full.story

This article reminds me of another all out disaster in judgement. It was a documentary I saw:
http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/


by mageduley on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:19:34 PM EST
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Wow, impressive list. (none / 0)

That gave me an idea: Hillary for Defense Secretary!  I think she'd be the first woman to hold that post too.  Then maybe in eight years, when she's finally come around to apologizing for her IWR vote, she can run for president.


by corph on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:56:13 PM EST
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I will point out here (1.33 / 3)

as I did at Dailykos, it is Obama (and Ron Paul) who have the HUGE Support among the actual soldiers and other servicemen and women.

The same article notes that Clinton has "HUGE Support" among lobbyists. Go figure.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:47:53 PM EST

Re: I will point out here (2.00 / 3)

How nice of you to drop by.  Thanks.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:06:45 PM EST
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'Drop by'? (2.00 / 0)

I think I've spent more time on MyDD than on Dailykos over the past month. Most of that time spent trying in vain to stop anti-Obama (and very rarely Clinton) smears, uninformed argument, etc.

But anyways, I note that you again are ignoring my point.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:11:33 PM EST
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Re: 'Drop by'? (2.00 / 2)

Alegre,

I appreciate you support for Hillary, but we have to remember that there is a dignity that is due to every human being.

MILiberal,

I think it is important to note that your article is refering to the donations recieved at the last quarter of 2007. This is February 2008, and not only has a lot change since then, Hillary has now tapped into the wealth of her grassroots support. No one actually knew she needed the money then. It is odd that you bring up the fact that Hillary is loved by lobbyist, given the fact that Obama, who talks of transperancy, is quite duplicate when refering to lobbyists. In an add shown yesterday on CNN, Obama said that he had recieved money from NO lobbyists. I remembered the articles that I read and I concluded that that claim was a very long stretch. While Clinton might have more lobbyists that donated to her, I am glad she isn't lying about it.

On another note, I think that's what makes these "top brass" endorsements so miraculous. If the military was mostly behind Obama as you say, why didn't these people endorse him? Perhaps things have changed as I suggested? Also, given the sarcastic tone of you statement, I do reason to doubt the admiration you told me that you had for Clinton in another diary.


by HillaryKnight08 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:01:45 AM EST
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Sorry if I seemed sarcastic (2.00 / 0)

I was trying to provide some input into the diary.

My interpretation of the situation is that the average serviceman/women is most concerned with getting out of Iraq. Hence why they support Ron Paul most of all, and Obama behind him. Much of Paul's support may come simply because the military is traditionally Republican, and he's the only Republican presidential candidate to advocate leaving Iraq.

The actual officers are more complicated. Someone else noted that most of these 'top brass' endorsing Clinton had been appointed during the Clinton years. It would make sense for them to be people whom the Clintons were friendly and familiar with - I'm not saying that this is unethical in any way. And of course, Clinton is already known to the officer corps because of her previous experience in the White House - whereas Obama is much less of a known factor.

Are you sure that Obama claimed he had received no lobbyist money at all? Looking at Open Secrets, he has received far less than most major candidates, but none at all is quite a stretch as you note.

Their actual numbers, from February 20, according to their website, are:
Hillary Clinton (D) $783,290
John McCain (R)$453,365
Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)$297,925
Mitt Romney (R)$272,975
Christopher J. Dodd (D)$247,350
Bill Richardson (D)$189,750
Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)$120,660
Fred Thompson (R)$113,650
Barack Obama (D)$99,240
Duncan Hunter (R)$31,150
John Edwards (D)$28,350
The candidates below that are too insignificant to mention. So Obama did receive far less lobbyist support than many other candidates (such as Richardson, Dodd, Biden), but it isn't 0 at all.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:34:26 AM EST
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Re: Sorry if I seemed sarcastic (2.00 / 2)

That's alright. It only seemed strange because it was so uncharacteristic and contradictory of what you had said earlier.

Now, I never denied that Hillary recieved more money from lobbyists. I admitted that it was a possibility. I said that there was an Obama ad on CNN that said he recieved no money from lobbyists. Given that he recieved 99,000 dollars from lobbyists, it is quite a stretch to say you didn't recieve anything. I was looking for the ad, but haven't had any donations.

Regarding the military endorsements, I think that the claim that the reason they endorsed Clinton was because she got them into their position is ridiculous. On a recording, the military officers tell why they endorsed Clinton and they're legitemate reasons. I also state that your article was refering to statistics that came from the later part of 2007. While Obama and Paul had recieved much support then, it is bound to be different now. Tons of Money does not equal most of the support and I think that we are learning that here. Obama recieves nearly twice as much mone as Clinton and still they're equal among actual support. Therefore, the argument that Obama has more military supporters due to his high numbers is not completely accurate, although it may not be false either. I mentioned that alot of things have changed since 2007. That means that those stats given could be very different.


by HillaryKnight08 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:29:54 AM EST
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Re: Sorry if I seemed sarcastic (2.00 / 1)

Obama has claimed many times in debate answers and also otherwise, that he doesnt take lobbyist money. He tries to paint that anyone taking lobbyist money is doing an abhoring act.

That is pure hypocrisy and that is why I oppose Obama.


by Sandeep on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:32:29 AM EST
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Kevin, (2.00 / 0)

Why in the world do you think that this comment is worthy of a 1-rating?


John McCain
by MILiberal on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:36:06 PM EST
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Re: Kevin, (2.00 / 3)

agreed...

But, the fact that disaffected military (I'd say true patriots, but that's a loaded term) disproportionately supports Hillary Clinton should tell you something. These folks have dedicated their lives to protecting this nation. They aren't just attending a rally and jumping up and down. I am not a big fan of military folk, and I don't necessarily abide by their code of what is right and what is wrong. Look at the mess we are in. But, I will grant the military people I know with a certain capacity for a bullcrap index. We are between a rock and a hard place. A lot of these guys know first hands what it is to be sold down the river by someone who doesn't give a rat's patoody about them as long as it feathers his nest. I think they really do believe that Hillary Clinton will find the way out of this swamp. I hope they are right. AS far as Obama is concerned...I have no idea...I really have a hard time believing he can get it done.


by MediaFreeze on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:59:48 PM EST
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Re: Kevin, (2.00 / 1)

"I am not a big fan of military folk".  That was very nice of you.  You know, I served in the military and I most certainly am glad you are not my fan!  Vote for ever you like but in the mean time STFU!


by Tunk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:47:17 AM EST
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Would you please provide (none / 0)

a link to your claim? Thanks.


by River103 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:07:43 AM EST
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Perhaps you should look (none / 0)

at the blue thing in my comment? You see, that is known as a 'link.'

But I'll go to the actual source to oblige you.

The Center for Responsive Politics (this is a link! Click here!) reports that

MILITARY DONORS FAVOR ANTIWAR CANDIDATES: Individuals in the Army, Navy and Air Force made those branches of the armed services among the top contributors in the 4th Quarter, ranking No. 13, No. 18 and No. 21, respectively. In 2007, Republican Ron Paul, who opposes U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, was the top recipient of money from donors in the military, collecting at least $212,000 from them. Barack Obama, another war opponent, was second with about $94,000.

Regarding lobbyists, their actual numbers are here (again, this is a link. Click!)
I'll copy them here for you:

Hillary Clinton (D) $783,290

John McCain (R)$453,365

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)$297,925

Mitt Romney (R)$272,975

Christopher J. Dodd (D)$247,350

Bill Richardson (D)$189,750

Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)$120,660

Fred Thompson (R)$113,650

Barack Obama (D)$99,240

Duncan Hunter (R)$31,150

John Edwards (D)$28,350

Mike Huckabee (R)$19,516

Tommy Thompson (R)$16,800

Sam Brownback (R)$16,225

Jim Gilmore (R)$6,250

Thomas J. Vilsack (D)$1,250

Tom Tancredo (R)$250

Dennis J. Kucinich (D)$201


Note that even Biden, Richardson, or Dodd have received more lobbyist money than Obama. Conversely, Clinton receives more such money than all the other Democratic nominees combined. Or alternatively, she receives more lobbyist money than McCain+Giuliani.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:23:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Perhaps you should look (none / 0)

What? I'm asking for a link that backs up what you claim as a huge support for enlisted people.


by River103 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:26:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I gave it to you. (none / 0)

Do you not know how to click on a link?

Here it is again. I'll spell it out for you this time!

http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases /2008/YearEndPresidential.2.4.asp

The relevant section is, again:

MILITARY DONORS FAVOR ANTIWAR CANDIDATES: Individuals in the Army, Navy and Air Force made those branches of the armed services among the top contributors in the 4th Quarter, ranking No. 13, No. 18 and No. 21, respectively. In 2007, Republican Ron Paul, who opposes U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, was the top recipient of money from donors in the military, collecting at least $212,000 from them. Barack Obama, another war opponent, was second with about $94,000.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:32:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I gave it to you. (none / 0)

Sorry. My eyesight is bad this time of night and I didn't see the blue hyperlink. Jeez, no need to jump down my throat, eh?


by River103 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:42:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary should have read the NIE AND voted (none / 0)

against the war, as Bob Graham did (and he said: "As to Hussein's will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.")

Wrong on two counts.

What Rockefeller and Kerry and did doesn't excuse her blunders; using others as excuse for your actions is fourth grader like conduct. And, they are not candidates for President.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:48:52 PM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 4)

Great diary Alegre.  I saw the top brass with her last week on C-Span.  Very inspiring.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:57:10 PM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 3)

Thanks Mike.  Yeah I saw clips of that event.  Those folks sure are going to bat for her.  They know she'll look after they're folks in the field AND take care of them when they come home.

That counts for someone of their stature and experience.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:08:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great Diary-- (2.00 / 1)

This site's a bit quirky like that - you have to go back in and edit things once a diary's up.  Should be fixed now if you wanna check them out :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:04:15 PM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 1)

Well the diary's done - I think Wes Clark did an ad a month or two ago.  

You can check out the campaign's videos on YouTube here -

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?us er=hillaryclintondotcom&p=r


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:05:50 PM EST

See what Wes Clark (2.00 / 1)

and his supporters have to say at:

http://securingamerica.com


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:33:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 3)

Thank you, alegre, for yet another brilliantly informative post.  I'm guessing as a newbie around here I'll obviously be seeing your name around here a lot, as I already have. And I thank you for dedicating the time you obviously do to bring this information to light!  Keep up the great work--we will get her in!

One other thing, I thought I'd check the general newswires to see what they're saying about this conference call.  Surprisingly, CNN actually has it on their ticker, under the headline "Wesley Clark: 'Women Can Fight'"--but they only include a few words from General Wesley Clark and don't even so much as mention everybody else who talked of her credential and their faith in her. And not so suprisingly, CNN goes on in the same article to say: "Not to be outdone, the Obama campaign also held a conference call with reporters Sunday that highlighted Sen. Obama's foreign policy experience. Dr. Susan Rice, a former Assistant Secretary of State during the administration of Clinton's husband, said Sen. Clinton "continues to attack Barack Obama on foreign policy without offering any basis for her own experience."

"It's really not enough just to assert you have the experience to be commander-in-chief," Rice said. "That assertion has to be backed up by a record of judgment and a vision of where you want to lead this country," she added. Rice also detailed legislative and diplomatic accomplishments by Obama which his campaign says distinguish him from Clinton on foreign policy."

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

MSNBC has nothing at all about this, at least not easily findable in their more prominent news stories, which still contain headlines from yesterday, and not surprisingly many Obama headlines.

So I don't know anything about video making.  But since you have the audio, would there be a way of translating that into video form for posting on YouTube.  Perhaps you could have their words being spoken while their names and titles appear on screen...and then perhaps their spoken words even scrolling across the screen?  Just a thought--this just seems like something HUGE that should be reaching as many people as possible--yet it would seem the press is not going to be doing that.  

Anyway, thank you again so much...IF she can only make it through Tuesday, I know she has HUGE support up here in PA that would add to her momentum--and despite what the polls are saying, my contacts in the State Democratic Party and talk on the street seems to indicate this will be her state by huge margins!  Cheers!


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:12:11 PM EST

of course, (none / 0)

nearly all of those "top brass" got their "top brass" status under a certain President...wait for it...you'll never guess...

No slight on these soldiers, Marines, airmen or sailors, but as I've said before, if my boss ever runs for elected office, you can ignore my endorsement of her as the biased, non-objective endorsement that it is.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:17:58 PM EST

Re: of course, (2.00 / 2)

Why return a favor that there will be no penalty for not returning it unless you want to?  Makes no sense.


by ejintx on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:21:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (none / 0)

Umm, loyalty? I'm not saying that anything underhanded is going on here, I'm just saying it's very natural to be loyal to someone who helped your career as Bill Clinton did with these "top brass".


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:24:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (2.00 / 4)

That doesn't make sense; they've got nothing to lose by endorsing Obama if they so chose.  Who's going to retaliate?


by ejintx on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:27:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (none / 0)

Who said anything about retaliation? I'm talking about loyalty. Look up the meaning of the word. I'm not saying their support is insincere, just that it's biased and the fact that they're almost all Clinton appointees to flag rank is telling. You're really making no sense here.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:35:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (none / 0)

I must have taken your comment in the original post too literally: the analogy being between you supporting your boss for office and the brass doing the same for Clinton.  I was showing the disconnect between the analogy - your boss could fire you, Clinton can't do anything against them now.  If I must understood, I apologize.


by ejintx on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:39:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (none / 0)

I must have taken your comment in the original post too literally: the analogy being between you supporting your boss for office and the brass doing the same for Clinton.  I was showing the disconnect between the analogy - your boss could fire you, Clinton can't do anything against them now.  If I misunderstood, I apologize.


by ejintx on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:39:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: of course, (none / 0)

No apology necessary. Like I said, I'm not suggesting anything untoward. Just a simple fact: Hillary's got institutional support like this because she was once part of the institution, and that it's not fair to turn around and judge Obama for not having a bevy of flag-rank officers behind him.


by amiches on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:36:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Think of this (2.00 / 2)

Most of the "flag officers" were coming up and coming of age during Bill Clintons time in office. It is almost 16 years since he was elected. It is only natural that many of these people would have gotten to their position while Clinton was in office.

This is not just about loyalty, this is about who they think is best for the job.

Your original comment was made to insinuate that the only or main reason they are supporting Hillary Clinton is because of "loyalty" and I say that IS BullShit!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:18:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Think of this (1.00 / 1)

I didn't say it wasn't "only natural". I'm pointing out a truth: that the vast majority of those flag officers were appointed to their rank by Bill Clinton. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with that.


by amiches on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:34:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And you did this why? (1.50 / 2)

What I have a hard time with is people like YOU that insinuate BS!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:54:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is BS (1.50 / 2)


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:33:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is BS (1.00 / 1)

Cool, thanks for refuting it! Glad you could comment.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:36:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why (2.00 / 0)

Should I have to refute a crap statement like yours?

You posted it simply to insinuate something that was BS.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:19:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks for the diary, Alegre. It certainly (2.00 / 1)

is telling for Hillary to have that list of endorsements. Just adds to the list of reasons why Hillary Clinton is the one I support for President. I am donating again - a little more for the cause. Thanks again...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:29:25 PM EST

Please (none / 0)

add an update at the top with the link to your diary at Dkos.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:13:21 AM EST

Just curious..... (none / 0)

How many of you Hillary supporters also supported the war? Without a doubt Obama lacks experience and his war opposition was hardly a profile in courage. While a successful war execution could have halted Obama's career trajectory, it wasn't exactly going to stop his political ascent.

That said, I'm having a hard time understanding how Hillary's experience is worth all that much. With all her knowledge (and Shinseki's very prescient warnings) she didn't have foresight to see how this mess would unravel? Or was she simply casting her vote out of political expediency?

I've already voted for Obama in CA, so its not like changing my mind will do much, but I am curious what y'all think of the war, your Hillary support aside.


by crazymoloch on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:41:12 AM EST

Re: Just curious..... (none / 0)

I wasn't pro-invading Iraq, but I'm much closer to the interventionists than I am the isolationists. Iraq judgment aside, this write up is something I could get on board with - (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=b4af4e6f-c079-427e-947f-fdd05d066524).  


by crazymoloch on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:51:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just curious..... (none / 0)

When do you think she will drop out of the race. I predict it will be Friday.


by BDM on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:20:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just curious..... (2.00 / 3)

I predict she will win the nomination.


by HillaryKnight08 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:32:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The VP Strategy? (none / 0)

That strategy wouldn't work, at least not in the modern era. The white blood cells of the party -- the superdelegates and party elders -- would make sure this doesn't go too far too long. And there will be no reward for bad behavior.

The end could happen on Wednesday, March 5th, or it could happen later. Or it could happen in reverse if Senator Obama stumbles in historic fashion. However, the Democratic Party is actually bigger than any one person, including Senator Clinton.


by BBCWatcher on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:03:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just curious..... (none / 0)

I predict she will drop out of the race when Mr. Obama has secured the required 2025 delegates and not one moment sooner, if at all.


by Si Ella Puede on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 04:47:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just curious..... (2.00 / 1)

Upfront -- I was 100% against the Iraq invasion from minute one (something I really need to start including on my resume) and I have a son serving in Baghdad right now.   Thus military matters and our safe withdrawl from Iraq are now my trump concerns.

I first became impressed with Senator Clinton back in the earliest debates when she had the courage and insight to not jump on the popular "immediate withdrawl" bandwagon.  She first brought to the dialogue the tough realities of an exit strategy, something Obama borrowed from her later down the campaign trail.  

Then I read her Iraq resolution voting statement and saw where she understood the need to present bi-partisan unity behind the troops Bush was determined to send to Iraq.  (of course had the vote been anywhere close I assume her vote would have been different)  

While she has a fine record on better treatment of  veterans, servicepersons and their families, so too does Senator Obama.  However, I understand that veterans and returning soldiers also have needs beyond the tangible -- to feel their effort and accomplishment is recognized and well valued.  Armies run on heart and pride even more than guns and adequate pay.  I feel Obama shirks from patriotism and sees veterans more as flawed victims than true heroes.

Also, although he is tempering his rhetoric now, Obama's initial assertions to sit down and talk to extremists does not sit well.  I feel in some of his anti-war rhetoric Obama comes close to demonizing all our military interventions overseas. Obama seems to play to the uninformed never in uniform and the MSM anti-military bias that refuses to recognize the accomplishments and goodwill built by those serving overseas.

finally, when it comes to military concerns, untested and unknown quantities are always cause for great concern.  As we see in Iraq, the cost of military blundering is far too high.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:32:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 2)

Alegre,

I love your diaries. Another excellent one! Thanks for writing it!


by Enviro on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:06:31 AM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 1)

Yeah breaking my vow not to post..
everyone exhale for a moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ODJHUX_ EM

as for
"Obama seems to play to the uninformed never in uniform"
I served in the military from May 1969 until my service connected disability on 6/12/72 (damn right I remember that day)After Edwards suspended my next choice was easy based on Iraq.

I do appreciate you stating "seems" as opposed to  "does".
I would add the Decorated Veteran John Kerry has endorsed Obama.

If Hillary Clinton wishes to stand on a stage with a bunch of General folks as a message when the cost of Iraq and how we arrived here fine. Iraq....the moral, physical, economic toll is what will defeat McCain.

FTA (if you have to ask what this means then you probably yourself never served.)

Screw the Generals..this is The Voice
http://ivaw.org/wintersoldier


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:31:57 PM EST

Top Brass (2.00 / 2)

This is an impressive list of endorsements. I've always supported Hillary and feel she'll be a very strong president. Seeing this list speaks volumes. Thanks for posting. Great diary.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:43:50 PM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (2.00 / 2)

This happened Friday?

Where were the big headlines? Did I just miss them?

If 18 members of the top brass came out in support of BHO, there would be BANNER HEADLINES PLASTERED ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE!!!


by moevaughn on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:40:33 PM EST

Re: Hillary's HUGE Support Among the Top Brass (none / 0)

Pardon me if this does not sound politically correct, but, as an anti war, progressive, the fact that so many Military men are supporting Hillary does absolutely nothing to enamor me to her.

Conversely, the more military men who were involved in this whole Iraq bullshit from the beginning, and did nothing to uphold both their constitutional and military oaths to prevent and speak out against this illegal war, simply pushes me farther away from Hillary.

Military men, just as Congress people, take an oath, it's too bad that they ultimately put their careers above our country.

For me, I'm not looking for a Commander in Chief, I'm looking for a Great Society leader.  The more Hillary wants to carry the CIC mantle, the less I like her.


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:01:48 PM EST


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