Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD

A man who has every reason to unload on Obama comes to the defense of a liberal Democrat. This is taken from http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3 /19/72716/0494/229/479797 . The original diarist is LizzyPop.  

   

HUCKABEE: [Obama] made the point, and I think it's a valid one, that you can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do. You just can't. Whether it's me, whether it's Obama...anybody else. But he did distance himself from the very vitriolic statements.

   Now, the second story. It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what Louis Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Reverend Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say "Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that."

   JOE SCARBOROUGH: But, but, you never came close to saying five days after September 11th, that America deserved what it got. Or that the American government invented AIDs...

   HUCKABEE: Not defending his statements.

   JOE SCARBOROUGH: Oh, I know you're not. I know you're not. I'm just wondering though, for a lot of people...Would you not guess that there are a lot of Independent voters in Arkansas that vote for Democrats sometimes, and vote for Republicans sometimes, that are sitting here wondering how Barack Obama's spiritual mentor would call the United States the USKKK?

   HUCKABEE: I mean, those were outrageous statements, and nobody can defend the content of them.

   JOE SCARBOROUGH: But what's the impact on voters in Arkansas? Swing voters.

   HUCKABEE: I don't think we know. If this were October, I think it would have a dramatic impact. But it's not October. It's March. And I don't believe that by the time we get to October, this is gonna be the defining issue of the campaign, and the reason that people vote.

   And one other thing I think we've gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!"...I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

   MIKA: I agree with that. I really do.

   JOE SCARBOROUGH: It's the Atticus Finch line about walking a mile in somebody else's shoes. I remember when Ronald Reagan got shot in 1981. There were some black students in my school that started applauding and said they hoped that he died. And you just sat there and of course you were angry at first, and then you walked out and started scratching your head going "boy, there is some deep resentment there."

Meanwhile we have so called "progressives" on MyDD calling for his head. It's amazing to see what has happened to this place over the course of just a few weeks. Not sure how this will play out in the larger context of the race, but if this gets too ugly I think it will lead many AA voters to reassess their unbending loyalty to the Democratic Party.



Display:


Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (2.00 / 1)

And another conservative Christian perspective on Obama.  David Kuo headed the office for faith-based initiatives in the Bush White House:

Obama and his church... the Biblical response?

One of the biggest problems in modern American Christianity is the "church-hopping" phenomenon. People stay in churches for a certain period of time, get bored, find someplace new and repeat.

I am a perfect example of this problem. I've been part of a wonderful church for the past five years. But due to babies and health and inertia and occasional frustration with the church, Kim and I have been there rarely. We've both talked about the things that annoy us - we wish for more of this and more of that and so on and so forth.

We've had this discussion with two of our dear friends who are also part of the church. They understand the issues but they have taken a different approach. They have jumped into the middle of the church. This church, they've said, is their home. And the Bible, they say, calls them to be vibrant, vital parts of their church home, not people hovering on the outside.

They are right. Our church isn't perfect. No church is. But it is our spiritual home and we are blessed by it and we understand our job isn't to take and take and take from it but to give and give and give.

Barack Obama understands this approach. That is why he didn't just rip the church wily nilly. Lots of American Christians should use his faithfulness to his church as an example in their own lives.

He didn't forego his spiritual home for political convenience. Whether or not that is good politics is yet to be seen. That is is good spiritually should be applauded.

The distinction between the two - the distinction between the spiritual and the political here is a distinction we miss at our peril. It is a distinction we are at risk of missing because of the unseemly mingling of faith and politics this campaign season. That mix isn't just a problem on the right, it is a problem on the left as well. And just as the right threatens the name of Jesus by coopting him for their political purposes so too the left does the same thing here.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:52:24 AM EST

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Link to above http://blog.beliefnet.com/jwalking/2008/ 03/obama-and-his-church-the-bibli.html


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:55:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (2.00 / 1)

actually, mike huckabee saying this is exactly the reason why Wright/Obama is so offensive.

you may take your cues from right-wing preachers/politicians, but I don't. nor, until recently, did i think fellow liberal democrats did. now we have in Obama a candidate who campaigns with gay-hating preachers, says he's a 'tool of christ' (or whatever the phrase, part of his So Carolina flier that looked like it came from Pat Robertson's run for president), and acquiesced to the hate speech of his spiritual mentor until it became politically untenable.

but if Mike Huckabee says it's okay, then ...no, then that means nothing to me. it simply reinforces why it's unacceptable.


by CalDem on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:54:38 AM EST

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

That's not the diarist's point. It's that Huckabee has more understanding of the injuries of race than some purportedly progressive bloggers.

And, you know what, you don't have to disagree with everything someone says just because you disagree with most of it. If you act that way, you will never build or expand a coalition or alliance.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:56:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

This shows, in my mind, that it wouldn't matter what Mike Huckabee said you would disagree simply because he is Mike Huckabee.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:59:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

er...no...i simply expect to disagree with Mike Huckabee on issues of the intersection of religion and politics.

apparently you don't. so be it.


by CalDem on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:13:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

It's so sad when people like you don't get the point or the message of what Huckabee or this diarist is saying, you just so quick to react and wanna tear someone down just because....anyhow, I agree with this diarist, the Democratic Party better be real careful or a re-alignment with the GOP and African Americans may not be to far in the future.  If I was McCain, I think it would be a brilliant strategy for him to start going after the black vote, since it seems these days the Democrats don't actually want it anymore.


by kbuggy on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:03:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (none / 0)

Jerry Falwell is a hate-monger, Democrats are justified to condemn those who promote his 'ministry'. If you grant that Huckabee is 'reasonable' then to be consistent Democrats must call on Obama to reject the Rev. Wright's ministry.

Obama has announced that he cannot reject Rev. Wright's ministry. I have a very hard time supporting a politician who embraces a Jerry Falwell or a Rev. Wright.


by souvarine on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:57:48 AM EST

Re: Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (2.00 / 1)

I don't think any of us have a right to call on Obama to reject the Reverends Ministry because of a few things he said that happened to be way out of line. We have all said things that are way out of line.

The truth is that very few of us have any idea what that church is like on a day to day basis. I think the important thing is that he rejects them politically, as he does the political feelings of the late Jerry Falwell.

We have no right to the mans spirituality regardless of what office he is running for.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:01:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (none / 0)

If I regret something I have said I apologize. From what I have seen Rev. Wright does not regret what he said, he defends it. Obama has been vague about which of Wright's statements he disagrees with, he uses the phrasing "All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn."

I cannot tell what teachings of Rev. Wright Obama embraces and what teachings he "vehemently condemns," the only standard I have from Obama is that if the TV says a comment is controversial then he condemns it. That is too convenient, I want to know where Obama stands, if anywhere. Obama certainly knows how his own church is day to day, surely he can distinguish right and wrong.


by souvarine on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:34:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (none / 0)

Here's my question:  how do we know it was a "few things he said"?  We have only seen video of a few instances, but do you honestly believe Wright didn't say more of this stuff?


by cmugirl90 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:10:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (none / 0)

We should call on people to reject Falwell's comments, but I would not presume to tell someone that he should leave his church. People attend a church for reasons beyond who happens to be the pastor/preacher.

Look, I understand you don't want Obama to win, and that you're willing to latch onto a political issue to try and achieve those ends. That is not what I am disagreeing with - anyone who follows politics knows that this is inevitable, and should not surprise anyone.

What I will never understand is this idea that Obama needs to flog himself and beg people like you and others on MyDD for forgiveness. Especially for comments he himself never made, and comments that were made in a context that you would probably never understand.


by highgrade on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:15:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rev. Wright and Falwell, consistency (2.00 / 1)

Look, I understand that you are willing to defend Obama and his racist pastor no matter what he says. You want Obama to win and you will defend him under any circumstance.

I will not vote for a person who follows Jerry Falwell. I would like to know how Obama interprets the Rev. Wright's teaching. My impression is that Obama feels justified using the racial anger the Rev. Wright expresses to advance his candidacy.


by souvarine on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:44:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Does it occur to no one that a major reason that Huckabee might be pushing this line is the simple reason that he knows how many land mines can be found in his own sermons, and he wishes to use Wright's example, and Obama's example, as a pre-emptive strike to keep those quotes from ever hurting him in future runs for President?

How hard is this to see?


by frankly0 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:40:44 AM EST

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

Frankly, I don't care what someone says in a sermon.

But I care a lot about what public policies they promote.  I'm against Huckabee for pursuing policies that I believe hurt America.  That's my business, indeed my civic responsibility.  

But I have no right to criticize his understanding of God and the spiritual realm.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:48:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

So I guess you really don't have a problem with "God damn America" or "America's chickens coming home to roost", because it's part of a sermon, which, according to you, just doesn't count?

So if a white preacher in the South were to rail against blacks, and promote white supremacy, that would be OK by you, because it's part of a sermon?

Do you have an ounce of consistency or common sense?


by frankly0 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:53:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

Of course people have a right to criticize speech, no matter where it occurs.

But in my opinion, which evidently does not exhibit common sense, when it comes to politics what matters is what one wants to DO when it comes to policy.

If a candidate were to say that he or she will follow a pastor's statements as a guide for policy, that is one thing. But as JFK reminded us in 1960, when a politician doesn't act based on what his church proclaims, we have no business to examine the teachings of the church.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:08:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

No one's criticizing Rev. WRight's theological leanings. What they are criticizing is his disgusting remarks (the goverment inveted the HIV, we deserved 9/11..etc.) and the fact that Obama, had this man as his advisor. This is all fair game.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:40:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mike Huckabee more reasonable than MyDD (none / 0)

I think you can listen to people talking from their experience (McCain for instance, and this piece on Huckabee) with respect, without adhering to their political POV.  One of the things that has been kind of appealing about this guy from the beginning is a kind of personal openness.  That does not mean I agree with him on most things, but sometimes it is interesting to hear his take on things.


by mady on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:50:19 AM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.