Let's Set Things Wright

It's time to talk this out. I am going to express my feelings on this whole Wright "scandal." Yes, there was some fact to what Wright said. He addressed legitimate happenings in the past. But, it's time to stop defending his teachings, because they are not in sync with the Christianity that I feel most of us are familiar with and most of what he said was not fact.

It is also interesting to note that Ferraro's comments also had some fact and yes they were wrong. However, it is these same people that are defending Wright for "some fact" that tarred and feathered Ferraro for "some fact" as well. No matter how wrong Ferraro's comments were, they are by no means worse than what Wright has said.

"No! No No!

"God damn America ... for killing innocent people.

"God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans.

"God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme."

There is some truth to the above. Yes, the United States has killed innocent people, it has threatened citizens as less than human and sometimes she does act like God supreme. Let's be honest, there is alot of bad our country has done. However, that is no reason to ask for this beloved to be damned. There is a lot of good that this country has done as well. And besides, hardly any country is innocent of these crimes (I'm not trying to dismiss these crimes, but they are not unique). The reason why innocent people were killed and citizens threatened, is because of fear. The only way to counter fear is with courage to do right, and that is something Wright failed to incite in his sermon.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

I think that both poor blacks and poor whites or poor people of any color know how it feels like to live in a culture that is controlled by the rich and wealthy. However, the irony and the falsehood here is that both Michelle and Barak have lived rather comfortably in the past, while Hillary in her early years, was not that wealthy.

"Hillary ain't never been called a n***. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

Really? I'm certain that Hillary has never been called the "n word," but she has been called other unkind things like...

"the b word"
Hildabeast
Hitlery
Hellary
Hell-da-beast
Shrillary
Billary
"the c word that rhymes with punt"
Hellqueen

Really? Hillary has not been defined as a non-person? She has received less human treatment that Obama has throughout most of this primary season. This is in fact a statement that is non fact.

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

This is a feeling that I have seen a few times posted by a few black posters, such as the Clintons were "pandering" to blacks or that he or she was glad that the Clintons' "cult of personality"   that was in the black community is being shattered or that the Clintons got the black vote by "kissing up to" the black people with powerful office positions. Not only is this completely ridiculous, but it is something that I, as a black myself, cannot understand. Why is it that when someone that is "white" offers to help the black community it is viewed as "pandering", or insincere by some? It is something I will probably never understand.

And there is the idea floating around that "White America needs to understand black churches." White churches differ from one another as do black churches. I have been around black churches many times, and I'm friends with people who attend mostly black churches, and I have NEVER NEVER heard any of this (with the exception of through Malcolm X) until now. So that excuse just doesn't fly.

Wright never had a problem forgetting the good things that white and black Americans have done for the common good:

WHITE women, put off their rights and calls for suffrage, to help BLACK males obtain the right to vote. Remember that it was women who were the last to receive the right to vote and they willingly  waited another 70 years, simply because, as Douglas put it, it was "the Negro's hour." That doesn't change the fact that there was much manipulation to prevent African Americans from voting, but it was still a noble gesture on the part of white women, like Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

Both poor whites and blacks in the South, albeit temporarily, combined forces to help get a voice for their economic hardships. No, the whites didn't like the blacks, but they were able to get voice in the government as the "Populist Party" by teaming together.

LBJ and MLK combined forces in order that the voting rights that were granted roughly 100 years earlier, would be fulfilled. Hillary referred to this and was viciously attacked. However, it proves Obama and Wright wrong. Sometimes, just sometimes, change can occur for the TOP AND the BOTTOM. Without both men involved, the Civil Right Movement would not have had such a profound influence at that moment.

That's just a few...

Blacks cannot continue to blame white people or the government for everything wrong that goes on (which is what Wright did). We have to work together to solve problems. Yes, some of the past is horrific, but that doesn't change the good that also occurred therein.

Here is an excerpt of a speech of Obama that was taken after he won his Senate seat in 2004:

Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there's the United States of America.

Obama basically raps up what I have been saying throughout my diary and he says what Wright DID NOT say. You can find the rest of the speech here:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches /convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

It's probably one of Obama's best speeches, I must say and doesn't it take a much different tone than what Wright has ever took? Here, I say to those people who are not only Wright defenders, but Obama supporters: You either agree with the blessing that Obama gives in that speech, or you agree with the damning of Wright. Which one? You cannot have both.

It is nice to know that in spite of the actions and divisive words of people like Wright (which bear some truth, but are mostly falsehoods) there are people like MLK and Gandhi who will work together with people to solve problems rather than pointing fingers. I am not here to condemn Wright personally. I am in no position to do such a thing, but people need to stop defending what he said as if it were all truth, for not only is some of it lies, but the truth without goodwill is said with malicious intent.



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Re: Let's Set Thing Wright (none / 0)

It's both.

He denounces Wright's inflammatory commentary, but he explains to us from where it comes and asks us all to find a way to move beyond them.

Racial issues are not "black and white", but very deeply embedded in our culture.  Our only hope is to find a way to move forward, and as I've said a couple of times, it starts with each of us looking in the mirror and understanding we are all a part of the problem.


by neonplaque on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:39:53 PM EST

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My point is that, you cannot defend the divisive tone of Wright's rhetoric and defend the more unitive and optimistic style of Obama's. Wright points fingers, but Obama, at least in the speech looks forward to solutions. There is a difference and Obama's tone is needed, not Wright's.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:43:20 PM EST
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Precisely! (none / 0)

Obama can't claim to be a "uniter" while simultaneously embracing the divisive rhetoric of Jeremiah Wright. He can't say he's the agent of change to bring about "healing" on race issues when he still embraces Wright and his racial division. Sorry, but he can't have it both ways.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:49:13 PM EST
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Re: Precisely! (none / 0)

He didn't embrace it.  Did you read or see his speech?


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by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:50:30 PM EST
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Re: Precisely! (2.00 / 1)

ummm... sure he can...  You can be a uniter even though those around you are not...

You can also advocate leaving Iraq and still accept $$$ from the military industrial complex...  I trust Hillary at her word that she will get us out.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10:19 PM EST
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You missed the point that Wright is from an older African American generation that has took so much shit for so long, they are entitled to lash out more than the younger generation which benefited from their suffering.


by Pravin on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:40:20 AM EST
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Re: Let's Set Thing Wright (none / 0)

Are you planning on posting the same diary again?

It only reinforces the views of people with whom you agree. It doesn't persuade anyone who hasn't been persuaded by last umpteen diaries exactly like this one.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:51:50 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Thing Wright (2.00 / 1)

Well, you don't exactly know that for sure...


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:53:37 PM EST
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Re: Let's Set Thing Wright (none / 0)

You're right. I don't know it for sure. But I think it's unlikely that the very same material will be persuasive if only said again....especially since it's so inaccurate.

As most people here know by now,

Obama NEVER said he saw the sermons which we've all seen in little clips and

Obama has ALWAYS said that he saw remarks by Wright that he didn't agree with.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:03:00 PM EST
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Re: Let's Set Thing Wright (2.00 / 1)

Firstly, never once in my diary did I say that Obama agreed with Wright's remarks. I'm questioning whether you actually read it.

The main point of my diary is to challenge those who are defending Wright's remarks. My diary says little to nothing about whether Obama agreed with Wright's words or not. I guess you did not read it.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:06:52 PM EST
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That's pretty bold.  Anyways, to address your point..

You either didn't experience the speech or you missed some parts of it.  He denounced the pastor's inflammatory remarks, defended the pastor as a human being who more often spoke positively than not, and called for unity to confront AMERICAN problems.

It was an utterly masterful piece.  Will it end the Wright controversy?  Probably not, because they'll always be those that not only can never be reached, but there are those who want to beat Democrats.  However, to repeat- it was a masterful piece.  I don't think anyone else except Barack Obama could have delivered that speech.  He wrote much of it himself.  And while it still may not be enough to end the subject, he certainly has changed the narrative dramatically.

Considering what he was up against, I don't think anyone can honestly say he didn't perform well under pressure.  He was ready for prime time.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:02:14 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (none / 0)

What's bold? Did I do anything offensive?


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:04:01 PM EST
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I'm glad that you are adressing Wright strange version of Christianity. It seems lots of posters around here have no idea how offensive he is. Everytime one of those clips is shown it makes me want to be sick. Obama did AA's no favors in my opinion with his speech. Trying to excuse Wright while decrying his rhetoric is just simply confusing. And he never addressed the patriotism issue.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:06:44 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (2.00 / 1)

You really think Barack Obama doesn't love his country and the American people?  You think he's not patriotic enough?

Stop listening to Limbaugh.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:08:32 PM EST
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Truly, it is questionable. And I'm not one of those people who reeks patriotism all the time and don't like the jinoism. After hearing Wright, knowing Obama thinks he's a mentor and Michelles statements it raises serious concerns as to where his loyalties lie. What does he believe?  

I don't listen to Limbaugh. And if that's the best defense you can come up with then you haven't a clue about the average voter out there.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:24:09 PM EST
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The average Democratic voter wouldn't question where another Democrat's "loyalties lie."

You may not listen to Limbaugh, but you're parroting his shtick pretty well.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:56:05 PM EST
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How can you now where someone stands when they won't tell you and lie about their background. That's my point.

Is the "you aren't a Democrat" the new mantra of Obama supporters?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 07:02:27 AM EST
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Is the "you aren't a Democrat" the new mantra of Obama supporters?

No, but apparently "you aren't an American" is the new mantra of certain Clinton supporters.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:21:08 AM EST
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enough with the faux-republican BS.  Please.  Patriotism means a lot of different things, and there isn't just one line to walk down in order to show that you love your country.


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10:52 PM EST
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You can screech all you want but it doesn't help make your case. You and Obama are ceding the patiotism issue to the GOP. It's a sure way to lose an election.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:25:23 PM EST
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Obama's presentation will go down as a great American moment...win or lose.  It was honest, intelligent, written by the candidate, and a call for unity.  This avoiding the content and engaging in ad hominem attacks shows the saddest side we Americans possess.  I think you need to hear the man's request that we put this bickering aside and move forward together.  Or as Obama asked of us:

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.


by Uncle on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:11:45 PM EST

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I've heard those lines before today, those that said that crumbing schools are stealing.... either he has used it in the past of he "borrowed" it from somewhere else, but I know I have heard that before.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:51:58 PM EST
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Does it make it any less true?


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:54:49 PM EST
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a different perspective (none / 0)

It's kind of interesting to me that this Christian right journalist thought it was a great speech - and is more fair than some mydd posters in noting what Obama actually said about hearing remarks in church--

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/341390.aspx
Obama Addresses Racial Issues

We won't know for awhile how voters view Barack Obama's speech today on race relations but The Brody File saw it as a HUGE positive for Obama and a successful turning point for the future of his campaign. The Obama campaign tells me he told high level staffers on Saturday that he wanted to do this speech. He ended up writing it himself on Sunday and Monday and then finished it up this morning.

With all those American flags behind him, the background was very "State of the Union." It was very presidential and Obama looked like and sounded like a President in the speech.

There were a number of factors that made the speech work. First of all, he didn't just devote a couple paragraphs to Pastor Wright. He wove him throughout the entire speech. It came across as a masterful stroke because he didn't minimize the controversy and yet at the same time was able to explain how Wright's comments fit into the larger "anger" issue within the black community.

In addition, as it relates to the Pastor Wright controversy, I thought the key lines were these:

"For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely."

The reason this part was important was because Obama was able to insulate himself on the authenticity issue. In other words, this was a pretty full mea culpa. He admitted that he sat in church while hearing remarks that were controversial. He will always have his doubters. Some will say he should have left right then and there but Obama argues that you have to look at the whole picture. He's making the case that Wright's ministry needs to be seen in totality. Voters will decide if that is a sustainable argument.

Some may question his judgment, but once you lose your authenticity, you lose everything. One of the big concerns people had was that Obama was making it sound like he had no idea that his pastor was controversial -- like Obama was living in some sort of bubble. But in this speech, Obama was clear that he knew about "stuff" that his pastor was saying. It was a raw moment. We'll see if it comes back to bite him. I think him coming clean about it has more upside than to deny the obvious.

The speech was so sweeping as he talked so much about what divides this country. He was able to shine a light on the racism that existed and still exists in America, but he was able to do it in a way that didn't seem condemning. By confronting the anxieties in both the white and black communities, he was able to get in the weeds a little bit and tell it like it is. Anytime a politician is being "candid" with their audience, it's a good day. Obama had a good day.

The best part of this for the Obama campaign is that their candidate got a chance to look presidential. He got a chance to talk about a major topic in America. It may not have come under the best circumstances but what was impressive is how the campaign didn't go into hibernation. They knew they had a problem and Obama and his campaign didn't wait long at all to be pro-active on this. They went against the grain. Instead of trying to distance themselves, they went head on into it and my guess is they'll be better for it.

Did he go far enough in distancing himself from Pastor Wright in this speech? There will be those who say he had to be stronger in his language. I'm not so sure. Look, the guy defended his pastor who has done a lot for the community but he also chastised him numerous times too. What do we want to do here? Have Obama bring out a dart board complete with a picture of Wright and have Obama start throwing darts at the bulls eye?"


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by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:11:58 PM EST

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by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:13:03 PM EST
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Re: a different perspective (2.00 / 1)

Did you read my diary? I never said any of those things you're claiming I said. Please, read the diary, if you have not and then address it.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:14:02 PM EST
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Re: a different perspective (2.00 / 1)

You left out this part:
One word of caution for the Obama campaign: combine this controversy with those Muslim emails circulating, plus his full name, plus Michelle Obama talking about how the first time in her adult life she was proud to be an American and you have a narrative that could take hold.

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:30:07 PM EST
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Re: Let's Set Things Wright (2.00 / 1)

Excellent diary!!
The media and Obama have tried so hard to make race a central part of this primary.
Because if we were focused on gender - the fight would be much BIGGER!

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:25:49 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (2.00 / 1)

Knight,

I think this is a good and well-balanced diary, though I don't agree with everything you wrote in it.

Cheers


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:32:09 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (none / 0)

Thanks. I know we don't agree, but thank you.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:35:30 PM EST
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Spectacular Diary. Wonderfully written.

WOW!


by Fleaflicker on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:33:14 PM EST

Let's see how things "shake out" (none / 0)

in a week or so.  People will see bits and pieces and they'll see the clips of Wright's messages that prompted this speech.  They'll WATCH Obama's posture and facial expressions - and Wright's and they'll have one or two questions.  Those few questions - and their answers - will determine whether they will "buy" Obama or not.

At least, that's my humble opinion.


by Southern Mouth on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:40:07 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate you point of view.  Look, my support for Hillary is based on my thinking about who would be the best person for the US at this time.  The reason that I support her is because she has already shown her vast knowledge and preparation to actually do the job.  I do not dislike Obama.  I like him fine, but I think he has a huge ego that is basically only concerned with one thing and that is getting this nomination,.  

He will say or do anything to get it, including disenfranchising millions of voters in two states that democrats need this fall.  The states that Obama touts are not going to vote for the dems this fall, states like those red states where he used a few party left activists, young people, AAs and the far left elite and combined that with some indys/repubs to get these delegates.  

I do not think that the democratic nomination should be selected by those who are not democrats.  Democrats are voting in the majority for Hillary.  The pundits have already anointed Obama, but by my lights, Obama cannot win this nomination without the help of the SDs and neither can Clinton.  If Obama cannot get the base of the democratic party to support him, why does he deserve the SDs to vote for him  and not Hillary?  Why is 100 delegates that such a big lead, if he cannot win without the SDs either?

It just may be possible for her to take the lead in votes, even if you don't count delegates from Mich and Fl. the voters still voted and those votes do count, whether Obama says so or not, he cannot just discount their votes.

If Hillary overtakes him in the popular vote, and especially if she wins big in Penn, where only democrats can vote, this will be a big indication that Obama will have trouble this fall.  I fear that if he is our nominee we will lose big this fall.  While I understand his appeal, his coalition is not enough to win the WH.  He actually needs the base of the party to hope to win in the fall.  This vote is by no means one Obama can count on.  I actually think Hillary could win, the best thing for our party is to have a Clinton/Obama ticket.  It is the only way that Obama will ever be acceptable to enough of the American people to win the WH.  He just simply must have more knowledge, more preparation, more, dare I say it, experience, which is the basis of judgment, not the other way around.  His judgment so far leaves many questions.

I really think this garbage that the Obama camp and supporters bring up about tax records, WH records, and Bill Clinton's library and charity are just more republican tactics, he is trying to imply there could be some thing "bad" there, but what?  The innuendo is there, not one fact only smears and pretense.  

This is what is so disturbing about the Obama supporters and their awful and distorted attacks on Clinton, this ugly name calling, this is exactly what the republicans tried to do to her and Bill in the 90s.  Now people decry that and yet do that very thing themselves, and then say see, I killed my parents, now I throw myself on the mercy of the court because I am an orphan.

How can people say that she is so divisive when it is themselves who are being the divisive ones.  Why is it so that she is the victim of these twisted rumors and slurs, nasty insults, and then she is to blame for the insults and attacks.  How stupid is that?  Why is it her fault that she is trying to win this nomination, that she is attacked for trying to win?  

The fact that Obama is trying to win at any cost, including not allowing Mich or Fl to get wavers, even though those other states all got wavers, why didn't they?  Why is it up to Obama and why is he satisfied to pretend those people didn't vote?  As if he can dismiss their votes because they didn't vote for him, or because of when they voted, as if that is the thing, when not that they did.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:42:01 PM EST

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The entire point of having a 'schedule' for voting in primaries is in order to let candidates who are less well-funded, compete.  Dodd, Richardson, Biden; these guys wouldn't have stood a chance if hey had been forced to run a national campaign from day one.  It essentially leads to a situation in which a candidate has to be a front-runner BEFORE the primaries begin in order to have a chance at winning, and money begins to have a pernicious level of influence.  Therefore there is a real vested interest on the part of the DNC in maintaining order; it keeps the system viable for all candidates in the future.

On another issue; it is without a doubt that Hillary's tax returns will HAVE TO be released when she is the candidate.  And not just for this year, but for previous years.  Her returns have already been completed.  Why not release them?

Whether or not she actually has something to hide or not, the secrecy that she operates under gives the impression that she does.  She can end this impression instantly by doing so; yet, she does not.  Can you tell me why not?


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:48:24 PM EST
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Yeah the "Schedule"  of course you do know that the DNC gave wavers to Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina, for moving their primaries and caucuses up, but when Fl applied for a waver, they were denied.  Now why do you suppose it was fine to grant wavers to all those other states, but not Fl?  In fact, the only two states that didn't get that waver and didn't even get an explanation both just happened to go for Clinton and not Obama.  Sounds like election engineering and not a fair process at all.  After all all those other states did move up their contests.  The republicans controlled the date that was set in Fl and the dems tried but failed to change it.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:05:30 AM EST
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The waIvers were given to those states in order to maintain their DNC - approved status as early elections.  All were small states which smaller candidates could compete in.  FL and MI are large states which would have cost many millions to compete in.  This is an elementary point.

The Dems in FL did NOT try and change their date, they voted UNANIMOUSLY to move the date up, and in MI the Dem gov. voted for it.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:13:51 AM EST
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The fact that Obama is trying to win at any cost, including not allowing Mich or Fl to get wavers, even though those other states all got wavers, why didn't they?  

Huh?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:59:11 PM EST
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Re: Let's Set Things Wright (none / 0)

See above  A waver is an excuse to break the rules, you know, a pass, an O.K. to move up your contest, an allowance.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:09:38 AM EST
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Things Hillary Has Been Called (none / 0)

Don't forget PIAPS.


by Trickster on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:45:48 PM EST

Re: Let's Set Things Wright (2.00 / 1)

I am reminded of the saying "My country right of wrong, when she is right I salute her, when she is wrong, I try to correct her"  the problem with Wright is he condemns and hates her, he makes terrible statements against Hillary and Bill in such disgusting terms, and then Obama somehow tries to justify his relationship by saying there is some truth there. No truth only insults and hate speech.

BTW  I have no idea why she hasn't released her returns, but unlike you I don't think that there must be some terrible thing there, she must be guilty of something, if we can only find it, then we could crown Obama, and stop her getting all those democratic votes instead of the chosen ONE.  She is ruining him, merely because she is getting all those votes.  Shame on people, actually voting for her.  Geez!


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:59:52 PM EST


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