The reservoirs of goodwill W/GRAPH

I generated this chart from data at

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/overall_favorable_ratings_ for_presidential_candidates

I took the % favorable, and substracted off the % unfavorables for all 3 candidates, and plotted it over time.  So, higher numbers means that more people like you than dislike you.  Scoring a negative number is bad, scoring a positive number is good: it is a "reservoir of goodwill'.  The trendlines were drawn by software provided by Mr. Gates

I have not included today's data so as to avoid any Rev. Wright effect ~ I am trying to point out the long term trends before Rev. Wright (the real reason is that I downloaded the data yesterday, and I am too lazy to repeat the process).  I could let the  chart speak for itself.  But this is my diary, and I can do anything I want, so I will tell you what the charts told me:

(a) Hillary Clinton was never the frontrunner...at least not recently: she has been (and still is) in negative territory.  But, her trendline is up, and she is more competitive now.  That is a good thing for her, because she was in "monster" territory back in Febuary.

(b) Barack Obama has had a huge reservoir of goodwill.  He has been the favorite.  But his reservoir of goodwill is now nearly sapped ~ his trendline is down.  Contrary to mainstream belief, it appears that the more people get to know him, the less they like him.

(c) Currently, Obama and Clinton are at roughly the same position, with Obama slightly ahead.  However, Obama is trending down, and Clinton is trending up.

(d) McCain is doing much better than both of them, and his trendline is up.  That would explain the cheshire cat grin he has had on his face recently.

(e) there is considerable "scatter" on the curves ~ specially for HRC.  This scatter makes it hard to make any definite conclusions, including the ones listed above.  I am pretty sure that some of the scatter is deliberately being hoisted on us by the campaigns.  For instance, when Hillary does well in a debate, her reservoir of goodwill gets filled.  If only she would conform to our opinions of her, it would make my job that much easier. =)

And so, this proves...... (your thoughts here)



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...that the Democratic party infighting helps McCain more than anyone else.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:05:31 AM EST

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Infighting, you dont say !! In the Democratic party !!! Wow, this I have to see to believe...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:13:52 AM EST
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I don't even see infighting anymore.  Just Obama self-destructing.  It's upsetting.


by easyE on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:18:26 AM EST
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Self destructing ?

No way...democrats don't do that !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:19:18 AM EST
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Obama keeps this up and his numbers will look as bad as Clinton.


by poserM on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:07:50 AM EST

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Might Clinton's attacks have an impact?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:09:53 AM EST
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Yes, it is very annoying of her to attack him.  That messes up the graphs...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:13:03 AM EST
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Goodwill (none / 0)

"Contrary to mainstream belief, it appears that the more people get to know him, the less they like him."

That claim seems to be undermined by the fact that Obama has been winning primaries in states where he used to be down by big numbers to Clinton.

The low democratic numbers only reflect the polarized nature of the primary.  We will come together regardless of the nominee, and trounce McCain come Nov.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:10:08 AM EST

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That claim seems to be undermined by the fact that Obama has been winning primaries in states where he used to be down by big numbers to Clinton.

Yes, but what has he done lately...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:14:53 AM EST
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Lately (none / 0)

"Yes, but what has he done lately..."

Won blowouts in Wyoming, VT, and MS.  Won the TX caucus.  Gained the support of dozens of new superdelegates (some former Clinton supporters).  Won more elected delegates in the month of March than Clinton.  Just for starters...


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:24:39 AM EST
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Wow... I should have spelt it out for you.

That comment was made in jest!!  

Now, take a deep breath, relax, listen to some classical music...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:28:15 AM EST
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THIS was the graph you were crowing about earlier?

I hardly know where to begin mocking :')


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:21:41 AM EST

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Go ahead, mock away !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:23:51 AM EST
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The graph you provided is not indicative of anything, b/c the margin of error in the polls is in many cases much larger then the day-to-day swings that you have seen.  The 'data' you used to make the graph is specious at best.

But the really funny part is that Obama is still above Clinton's favorability ratings, by a significant amount.  What does it say about your candidate, that her favorability ratings are so low, that after a drop in Obama's which you claim will make him unelectable (or shows that he is) he is STILL HIGHER THEN HER!!!  By your methodology she too is clearly unelectable.

I'm sure you can find something more productive to do with your time if you think about it.  


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:47:43 AM EST
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In the future, why don't you try reading the diary first before you make an ass of yourself with asinine comments.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 01:41:47 AM EST
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Such language!

lolz


by Cycloptichorn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 01:47:00 AM EST
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I didn't find the comments or the commenter "asinine."

I don't see his points addressed in your diary.

I don't think your use of irrelevant ad-hominem attacks make you an effective communicator.

I think you'd do better to try to build consensus with people and work together to address your differences.

My .02 dude.


by luckymortal on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:57:00 AM EST
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Don't take everthying you see at face value!

He and I are continuing a separate conversation from an earlier diary thread.
..the point was for me to call him an ass, and then have him chide me for using harsh language; we did the reverse in the earlier thread.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:39:22 PM EST
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My objection to the 1990s is simple: I was young in the 1990s, and youth was wasted on me.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 01:43:04 AM EST

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Dear SevenStrings,

Good work on the graph.

My recommendations:

--One month does not seem adequate to track "long term trends." I suggest going back much further. The result will render a larger downfall for Obama, so you'll probably like that. However it will also probably (an educated guess) demonstrate a certain stability in HRC's numbers--especially her negatives.

--Ultimately, "favorable" trends in politics are pretty malleable--just look at Bush's post 911 spike. "Unfavorables" especially strong unfavorable ratings tend to take longer to change. Once you've got a negative opinion of someone it's usually harder to change, right?

--I don't find your principle data factor Postive-negative to be particularly meaningful. To me, the more meaningful number is the raw negatives, and even MORE meaningful are the scaled raw negatives.

Negatives are a clear indicator of how "divisive" a candidate is--especially numbers for how many people STRONGLY DISLIKE a candidate. When the nagative number goes above 50% a candidate needs some deep PR work. HRC, for example, to be electable will need just that kind of PR work. For me, it was the movie "the hunting of the president." As someone who had a generally negative feeling about HRC (because I didn't like what I saw as a combative leadership style) I shifted to a strongly favorable opinion after seeing that movie. My current opinion of her, due to the campaign, borders on hostility (I too, am effected by emotions.)

So I would conclude that if America could get to know Hillary, they would (mostly, you can never count on the freepers) like her, but that this is unlikely in a long campaign that's reinforcing the somewhat sexist opinion of her as "too combative."

--In the GE, both of our candidates will have the "cognitive dissonance" advantage over McBush. Honestly, I think that there are a lot of white folks who wont want to have a negative opinion of Obama because they're afraid that will mean they're racist. I think HRC gets a little of the same, people wont want think that they're voting against her just because she's a woman. For this reason, I think it's too early to make "vs. McCain" predictions from this data.

--I agree that the short duration of data and the large MoE make the graph largely meaningless in terms of the trends you claim it represents. Looking at the raw data, here's what sticks out to me:

1. HRC's negatives are stable around 50.7% or so.
2. Obama's negatives have moved up from an average of about 44% to about 46%. This is the effect of a very negative campaign cycle, and yet his negatives have not broken 50%. Based ob this, I'll  predict that he's pretty resilient, and that his negatives are likely to stay below the unelectable mark and even come down during the GE with McCain (due to the consolidation of Democratic support and the congnative dissonance factor above.)

Finally, I think an actually meaningful graph would extend back before January and would separately chart numbers for negatives and positives with the ghost number of P-N indicated in between. That would allow the reader to draw their own conclusions.

Peace.


by luckymortal on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:53:33 AM EST

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Thank you for the complement.

I agree that one month does not make a long term trend.  I will update this weekend with older data as well.

Favorables & unfavorables are both good indicators of public opinion.  Most people focus on those two numbers separately, and you are right about how those numbers could be interpreted.  I have not seen anyone plotting fav-unfav, so I made a plot.

As to your final comments, I will just note that Obama's negatives just broke 50% today.

Finally, one final philosophical point:  there are lots and lots of ways of looking at raw data.  If you talk to anyone who does technical analysis on the stock markets, you will hear about "farms" of computers being used to examine raw data in all kinds of ways.  And yet, there is no good way (i.e., one that is 100% reliable) of predicting the future based on current data (which measures things that are past).  I suspect that is the case with opinion polls as well ~ you cannot predict the future, you can only make educated (or not so educated) guesses.

The way I have plotted the polling data is just one more way to examine the data.  You should not take it as any more (or any less) than that.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:14:40 PM EST
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Finally, one final philosophical point:  there are lots and lots of ways of looking at raw data.  If you talk to anyone who does technical analysis on the stock markets, you will hear about "farms" of computers being used to examine raw data in all kinds of ways.  And yet, there is no good way (i.e., one that is 100% reliable) of predicting the future based on current data (which measures things that are past).  I suspect that is the case with opinion polls as well ~ you cannot predict the future, you can only make educated (or not so educated) guesses.

The way I have plotted the polling data is just one more way to examine the data.  You should not take it as any more (or any less) than that.

well said, I concur.


by luckymortal on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:55:31 PM EST
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