Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies

"Committed Christian" Barack Obama claims he never heard controversial remarks while attending the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois, in his essay entitled "On My Faith and My Church" on 14 March 2008 at The Huffington Post.  I quote:

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

But according to one source, Obama did in fact witness Reverend Jeremiah Wright's espousal of divisive and racially charged rhetoric at Trinity United Church of Christ on 22 July 2007, 5 months after he announced his intention to run for the Presidency of the United States.  I quote:

Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.

Was Obama standing and not sitting when Reverend Jeremiah Wright discussed "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America" on 22 July 2007, or is the mendacious Obama not the "committed Christian" he claims to be?



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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

Now, I realize Obama was going around Mississippi repeating an uncorroborated Drudge Report smear against Hillary.  But I nevertheless will not consider Newsmax a reliable source, ever.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 04:56:46 AM EST

This site has jumped the shark (none / 0)

Can you register Freep.com? Cause it is nothing to do with MyDD.


by Pissoff on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:28:43 AM EST
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Re: This site has jumped the shark (2.00 / 1)

Let us hope a video of the congregation taped on the date the source claims Obama witnessed controversial remarks is not corroborative.  For if it is, Obama will be caught lying once again.  And yes, I imagine there are many opposition researchers viewing Jeremiah Wright's videos as I type this comment.

Obama should have been honest when he sanctimoniously denounced the man from whom he sought spiritual guidance for the past 20 years.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:34:46 AM EST
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Re: This site has jumped the shark (none / 0)

I was just on The Confluence blog and and read of a funny comedy skit conceived by a blogger who goes by the name of Mawrm.

I'd love to see a skit where Obama is watching a Wright sermon that is nothing but love and peace talk. He has to get up to go to the bathroom. As soon as he leaves, Wright launches into one of his tirades. When Obama comes back Wright starts talking nice again. This could go on for 20 years in the skit.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

Just a little needed comic relief.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:21:25 PM EST
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Re: This site has jumped the shark (none / 0)

Excuse me?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:26:55 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 1)

" The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. "

- That statement would not only keep the story alive but it would come back and hunt Obama.

It is just not a credible statement and when he made it he just made matters worse for himself .

Nobody is going to believe that.

I can bet you the RNC , Fox , Rush Limbaugh etc are going to try and prove that statement wrong.

I won't be shocked if that statement is proven wrong by early next week , then he would have lost all credibility.

Here is an excerpt :

Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

Obama wasn't born into Wright's world. His parents were atheists, an African bureaucrat and a white grad student, Jerry Falwell's nightmare vision of secular liberals come to life. Obama could have picked any church -- the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright. Obama writes in his autobiography that on the day he chose this church, he felt the spirit of black memory and history moving through Wright, and "felt for the first time how that spirit carried within it, nascent, incomplete, the possibility of moving beyond our narrow dreams."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto ry/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_root s_of_barack_obama/3


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 04:57:21 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (1.00 / 2)

I'm sure we will see a lot of your hate diaries about it soon. You stink, badly.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:36:01 AM EST
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it's not the relationship (none / 0)

there is also a generational divide within minority communities, older people have seen worse and trust little in the changes, younger people really aren't so racist, it's his ability to lie, and to see if it files, and then to say more if he's caught. He's a very good liar, sounds honest and sincere, but it's a mistake, he ought to be thinking ahead, and not trying to fool voters. I'm capable of voting for him even if he can muster sympathy for older African Americans and those truly horrible experiences, but if he can't be honest about it, he's shooting all of us in the foot. Let us vote with truth, not spin.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:49:45 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

Plus those statements are not the ones causing the controversy so really he is not being caught in a lie with this one. Sorry!


by monstergrrl on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 04:58:17 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 1)

Yes, they are, for they are racially divisive.  


by truthteller2007 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 05:16:49 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

Universal,

How true a statement - "These are the kind of statements which turn Reagan Democrats into McCain Democrats"

He seems to be putting his foot in his mouth time and time again lately..

remember:
Oh! wat a vicious web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"

truth reins - put it out there and let the people decide!


by Patriot2008 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:31:25 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

I watched Barack on Anderson Cooper last night, and Anderson played the clip when Wright says those hateful comments about Hillary.  Barack showed no outrage, no feeling.  He just mouthed words that you could tell he didn't mean.  20 years is a long time, as an adult, to go to a church.  He and Wright have been plotting and playing fast and loose for a long time with all of this.  At least we know that Hillary is a proud American.


by MidwestTracker on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:23:41 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

Oh no, he showed no feeling! Wright was basically making the point that being Black is a disadvantage in todays society, not an advantage as a certain Hillary supporter falsely claimed. It's outrageous!


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:38:16 AM EST
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This is the worst kind of racism (2.00 / 1)

Taking the paternal attitude that we have to tolerate all kinds of acting out by black people because they have been disadvantaged in the past. It is insulting to black people that they cannot help themselves and need a lower standard that is required for the rest of society.

Wright's type of church fosters and sustains racism. His ministry cannot survive without it.


by ineedalife on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:01:43 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 2)

"...Wright was basically making the point that being Black is a disadvantage..."


He was also making his point that being Clinton is being the enemy. Your easy acceptance of that says either you don't see it, won't see it,  or see it just fine and agree with it.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson
by Bella on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:03:48 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, (none / 0)

You're right... And he didn't just go to the church for 20 years, he donated thousands to them. He was married by the guy, had his daughters baptised by him, had his home blessed by him. Prayed with him before his bid announcement.

Obama cannot just wriggle out of this. You are not a member of a church without knowing what it's about. They sell tapes of Wright -- Obama is trying to lie his way through this, with the help of Axelrod, the media, and his supporters (who are dwindling rapidly over this.)

Heck.. the Obama campaign was quoted in the NYT last year for saying that Obama was "proud of his pastor and his church". It was an article by Jodi Kantor where in she wrote about the anger that Obama asked WRight not to give an invocation at an event, because he's too inflammatory. Obama KNEW that Wright was inflammatory back then. But the likes of KO refuse to admit that, and do even the simplest of homework to see that it's documented.  


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:00:19 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 1)

One only has to explore the church's own website
Review the black value system etc to become concerned that this is not mainstream religion, the idea that someone could spend 20 minutes in the church let alone 20 years and not know what the minister was preaching is completely unbelievable.
www.tucc.org.
Why listen and read media stories explore the site for you. This is not like the churches
Of some of our greatest leaders it is not the church of Dr. King. While it is affiliated with the UCC it is not mainstream at all. It is radical.

by coolofthenight on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:37:27 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (none / 0)

No it's not. You just don't have a clue.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:38:59 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 1)

You have been in my opinion consistently blinded by your candidate but your opinion or my opinion for that matter doesn't really matter, All people have to do is review the church website which by the way is  under going some revisions and a modest attempt to hide some of the things that were on it previously. Good thing I downloaded them.
I think we should just encourage everyone to take twenty minutes or so and look at
www.tucc.org
Then you won't have to worry about whether I have a clue will you pal?

by coolofthenight on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:32:14 AM EST
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Gary Hart moment? Not yet (none / 0)

Obama has challenged the news media to  place him in a pew during one of Wright's controversial sermons. I don't know if the article you link to does that.


by ineedalife on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:55:27 AM EST

Re: Gary Hart moment? Not yet (2.00 / 1)

Yeah like we are supossed to beleive that in twenty years no one every said to Obama  Hey did you hear what Reverand Wright said they other day?
So even if he wasn't there did he never here about what wright had to say. Did he not here are see  what Wright said in the NY Times  March 6 2007 over a year ago when he said
"When his (Obama's) enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli" with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to visit Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, "a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell."
Don't you think he would have investigated  just a bit? Unbeleivable.
by coolofthenight on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:37:54 AM EST
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Obama was in a pew (none / 0)

My bad. I read the article again. It does place Obama in a pew, nodding in agreement to Wright.

This should be game over but I think the pro-Obama media will pass on being lied to once again.


by ineedalife on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:06:17 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama: On My Lies (2.00 / 2)

My sense is that evidence will come out to prove that Obama was in church while Wright made some of these statements. I am not sure where the evidence will come from but I am fairly certain it exists. When it surfaces it will make Obama look very bad. VERY.


by Fleaflicker on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:12:14 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, My Church, My Lies (2.00 / 2)

it doesn't matter, it's a red  herring. Like with Tony, it's not that we necessarily don't believe him when he denies knowing something, it's hard to believe, but that isn't the point. It's that he should know, since he's running for president with no practical qualifications on his great judgment.  That's what has brought him down, he lacks judgement.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:54:34 PM EST

Ooh! (none / 0)

The United States of White America!! Scary!

Dude. This is the United States of White America. Do you not notice that white people own everything and run the damn country and have for 400 years? And we white folks have been pretty damn arrogant about it too. What's so controversial about that?

Good lord. This is getting creepily thought police-y. Geez louise.

America is a racist country run by white people. You're still allowed to say that, cuz it's true. Duh.


I rock knobs
by Etchasketchist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:57:26 PM EST

Re: Ooh! (none / 0)

Hmmmm... while I disagree with what you wrote. I wonder if you've asked yourself why YOU were able to make that point without simulating a sex act, making anti-semitic comments, calling whites the "enemy", tearing down Hillary Clinton, blaming America for 9/11, or damning America.  

If you have that opinion. Fine. If Wright has that opinion. Fine.  The point is that it is NOT a matter of a simple opinion that America is white and racist (which is the most ridiculous generalization I've heard in a long time.)

Perhaps someone with Wright's influence would do a hella more good inciting his parishoners to love rather than hate; to soar, not wallow.  He's called every single gender, race, and religion, other than his own, a number of terrible things. He preaches division and hate.

The "oh, it's the truth" is a total cop-out. It's a sweeping generalization that allows people like Wright to keep his power and his adoring audience.  As long as he convinced his parishoners that Whites and America are evil, then he has the power, doesn't he?  


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 05:53:25 PM EST
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Re: Ooh! (none / 0)

Cuz I'm writing on a blog. I'm not performing in front of a raucus cheering crowd.

And I'm not a preacher. Wright has power? He's a preacher. What the fuck kind of power is that? He's a religious stand up comedian/community organizer. Oooh. Fucking king of the world practically.

Why do we stick up for dudes like Bill Maher or Noam Chomsky when they stray from the accepted rhetorical boundaries but Rev. Wright has to watch his mouth all of a sudden?

Are "sweeping generalizations" now the worst rhetorical crime EVAR!!?  Good lord. Now Barack Obama's political career should go in the shitter because his preacher made a "sweeping generalization". Double-U. Tee. Eff?

I am a white person. I know white people. We're fucking evil. I read it my history book. We perpetrate some evil shit. Hitler, totally white. Stalin: caucasian as fuck. Andrew Jackson: honkey. Dick Cheney: white guy. Our country is a racist institution. Our founding fathers owned and sometimes raped black slaves. They put it into the constitution that black people are only 3/8ths of a person and they can't vote or hold office. From the Native American genocide, to 400 years of African slavery to internment camps to Jim Crow. New York, a northern, liberal state, just now got it's first black Governor. How many black Senators and Representatives do we have? Compared to how many white ones? How many Fortune 500 companies have black CEO's. Why the fuck do I have to explain this on a supposedly progressive blog? I could understand if you were a delusional and in-denial Republican who thought we should get rid of Affirmative Action but seriously? On MyDD you think America isn't racist? That that's a horrible and out-of-bounds "sweeping generalization" that's not true. For reals?

Since when did we get all spooked by black radicals all of a sudden? Am I the only white person here who's read his Stokley Carmichael and liked it?  Am I the only one here who thinks you can love your country without being in denial about the wicked bullshit it perpetrates on brown people the world over on a daily basis? Is America the best country ever? No. Are we the worst? No. We're pretty good and getting better but we've got some really bad habits: like structural and institutional racism.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch "The Murder of Fred Hampton" on YouTube.


I rock knobs
by Etchasketchist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:37:09 PM EST
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More Questions for Obama (none / 0)

Fox News is recycling an interview that Hannity had with Rev. Wright in early 2007 (Feb/March time frame). In the interview, Hannity asked Wright about some of Trinity United Church of Christ's precepts. Did Hannity make a fair point? If you replace "Black" with the word "White" would it be considered racist?

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
  1. Commitment to God
  2. Commitment to the Black Community
  3. Commitment to the Black Family
  4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
  5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
  6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
  7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
  8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
  9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
  10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
  11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
  12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

NOTE: Trinity United Church of Christ has since removed their (controversial) 12 precepts and covenantal statements from the site's About page. Here is the Trinity United Church of Christ's website About page on March 15, 2007. According to the Internet Archive, the change was made sometime between March 15, 2007 and March 29, 2007. Here is Trinity United Church of Christ's website About page on March 29, 2007. The (controversial) 12 precepts and covenantal statements have been removed.

Here are a few questions for Sen. Obama:

  1. As a member of TUCC, was Obama aware of TUCC's precepts?
  2. Does Obama think these statements are race-based? Does he think they are divisive?
  3. Why were the precepts removed from TUCC's website in March 2007?


by grlpatriot on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:38:29 PM EST

Re: BO faith and lies (none / 0)

It's about time he came down from the mount and did some good old-fashioned truth-tellin. Thanks for un-bamboozling us, truthteller. (And now BO tells us he did not know what his pastor believed. And this is after attending this church for 20 years??!!) Hoodwinked, I tell you...hoodwinked. PLEASE folks...Hillary is the change America really needs!!!!!!!!


by susanclare on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:59:45 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith, (2.00 / 1)

Obama's ridiculuous attempts to distance himself from Wright's hateful rhetoric is basically a "dog ate my homework" defense. He knows damn well that no one believes him, but he (and more importantly Axelrod) believes that the MSM will move past it (citing the sudden need to not engage in negative politics as they'd call it), and that his diehard supporters will not care.

You have to remember, "Hope and Unity" is a brand that Axelrod has trotted out before with other candidates; It's his canned candidate template. Problems arise when the brand runs into reality, and is exposed to be part of an extremist mindset of hate and division. Obama cannot claim that he is not an active and contributing member of that church. The new pastor is seen dancing and clapping wildly behind Wright during his most vile sermons. Wright's sentiments are not rantings of an old foolish uncle -- his parish and his church elders are standing trancelike yelling and clapping while he speaks. This is the dogma of a church that Obama has closely associated with for 20 years. I have yet to see an obama supporter explain the "Audacity of Hope" title, taken from one of Wright's Sermons.  Does Obama do anything original? A speech here.. a title there...

Obama's campaign and his church can pull all the Youtube videos as fast as they can, but the damage has been done.  Wright is not a "crazy uncle" as he told Jewish Voters concerned about Wright's anti-semitic tirades.  We do not choose our uncles.

The truth is we are seeing what happens when the MSM refuses to examine a candidate before hoisting him onto a pedestal.  The truth comes out eventually.  We are seeing what's inside Axelrod's latest product, and it's apparently a violation of the Truth in Advertising Act.


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 05:45:11 PM EST


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