So when will we see the gop God damn America commercials?

Obama should drop out.

I absolutely agree.  This is fair game because Obama has portrayed himself as a man of faith, and if his is spiritual adviser is as bigoted as Rev. Wright, then it brings into question a whole lot about Obama as a man.

It is all well and good to renounce him, but doesn't Obama himself see that by condemning some things and condoning others, he is "cherryp icking" just like he accuses the media?

This is bad.  Very bad.  And I thought he was a better politician than to actually think that this wouldn't come out....

care to back it up?

after all apparently you know.

Two posts down you call this attack right wing swiftboating.  Now you're agreeing with it.  What the hell?

Jerome? Welcome to the black world. Jeeze I can't believe how disconnected we all are. That worldview is the worldview of millions of black people around the world who are freakin tired of being at the bottom of the human race. When you "Imagine THAT WORLDVIEW" maybe you'll understand.

Freaking living in lala land.

"The Ones."

I guess that explains the recommended diaries around here.

If Fred Phelps was Hillary's minister, what would I think?

This Wright guy is new to me -- but I've known about Fred Phelps and his church since I lived in Topeka in 1977.  And I wouldn't be supporting Hillary if she went to his church.

Because it's a judgment thing.  What does it say about the Obama's that they've been close to this guy for so many years.

Also, my Mother-In-Law (who watched things unfold on TV) said some of these videos were from DVD's sold by the church.  So (if that's true - is it?) it's not just a momentary lapse on the minister's part.  It was deliberate & possibly staged.  

Typical white people running scared because a black man said (albeit very passionately = angrily) that life in America is not the same for everyone and that "rich white people" own everything. Yeah, we need God to start blessing America--fast!

Yeah but when suited-up, white people (the late Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley) say hateful things then stand for photo-ops with Bush/McCain, they come out unscathed. If you all can't see the profound double standard in this than racism in America is a foregone struggle and will never be reconciled.

is to stick to the line he used in front of the Jewish audience in Cleveland: maybe you can relate to having an old uncle who says things you don't agree with.

A lot of Americans have crazy or racist older relatives.

The more people watch the actual video, though, the tougher it's going to be for Obama. If the GOP put this in campaign ads, even response ads featuring Hagee's anti-Catholic remarks might not be enough.

Agreed Beve.  I'm amazed at how out of tune all these supposedly progressive bloggers are to how black people (with some justification, I might add) view their relationship with their country.

To his credit, Obama while obviously "linked" to these people, has, on his own, has taken on a lot of orthodoxy:  calling out homophobia and parental absenteeism in front of black audiences is something I haven't seen a politician (black or white) do in front of a black audience in some time.  

Even John McCain, during an interview in front of Sean Hannity wouldn't take the bait.  He said as I say:  this is not what Barrack Obama believes.  Hillary disavowed Ferraro pretty quickly, and to her credit.  Obama's just done the same.

If Jerome and the Clintonites want Democrats in power, they would push back on this.

And what kind of spineless, unethical, sycophant would sit at dozens of Walmart Board meetings -- where illegal and unethical union busting was planned, and where unions were labelled "blood-sucking parasites," and do and say absolutely nothing about it?

Oh wait, that was Hillary.

She sat there for six years, Jerome. And did nothing. NOTHING. While Walmart busted Unions, harrassed worker, treated them like crap. Called them all kinds of disgusting names.

NOTHING.

And this sycophantic poseur pretends to be a friend of working people?!?

How can you stand to look at yourself in the Mirrr Jerome as an apologist for this woman.

Where was the fuss when McCain called Washington D.C the 'city of Satan' which he did a week ago. Not a word of it has been discussed. He gets a free pass from the media and Obama is smared with association by a ranting pastor.

Jerome I wonder if you will be happy if Obama loses the general election to McCain.  You seem to think he is far worse for this country than McCain by your posts.  I am just wondering if your preference order goes 1) Clinton, 2) McCain, 3)Obama(nader?)

Ok. I think these comments by Wright are absolutely disgusting. They are obviously a problem for Obama. I don't know how this plays out, but right now (and thanks for the derisiveness, Jerome) I suppose I still am one of "The Ones." I support Barack Obama because I believe he would be a great President. Are there things that could happen that would make me change my mind...yes. I'm not a "cultist" or "a lemming." I'm not blinded by his rock star appeal. But I am not going to assume that the words of his pastor represent his views.

There are currently 3 (I believe) videos of Rev. Wright spewing all kinds of bile on the tubes. Is anyone here assuming that 3 clips are indicative of an entire career? I'm not defending him, certainly, and maybe all his sermons are like this. I suspect not, however, because the networks (Fox for sure) would have shown more of them and not just the same few in a mind numbing loop. But imagine being defined by 3 of the worst, most idiotic things you've ever said.

Further, would anyone here really have more respect for Obama if he threw this man under the bus as soon as it was politically expedient? It may not be helpful politically, but I think it says something about Obama that he is willing to acknowledge the role Wright has played in his life while disavowing his hateful statements.

My rabbi vehemently opposes gay marriage and abortion. He's delivered sermons at services that say that Jews who marry non-Jews are traitors. I think that's idiotic.

It wouldn't be right for the news organizations, or anyone on these blogs to hold Clinton accountable for everything her pastor says, and it isn't right for them to do it to Obama. Can we all agree that "gotcha" politics is destructive and move past it? The answer isn't for the media to treat Obama as shitty as they've treated Clinton, the answer is for them to stop treating both of them shitty and focus on the fact that, whether you support Obama or Clinton, both have plans to jump start the economy, provide health care, and end the war. McCain has "bomb bomb bomb Iran" and no information on the economy at all.

Cool it!

I don't care what Ferraro said and I don't care what Wright said.  Neither are running for President.  Nonesense on both counts.

Now lets try and hold it together here and realize this frame -- where everyone ever associated with either Clinton or Obama somehow represents those two as surrogates is -- preposterous.

If you support Clinton then you should already know this is some bullshit of a weak attack.  Now lets not tear each other apart over it.  Both our candidates are running good campaigns and this line of attack is old news and furthermore entirely irrelevant.

Remember, McCain IS in the race and he actually makes mistakes so lets keep our guns pointed at him and not at each other.

But every pastor disparages Hillary Clinton during his Christmas Day sermon.  

Did Obama attend church on Christmas?

Moral compass is your phrase, not Obama's. He's said, many times, and the NYTimes just wrote a story on this today, that his moral compass is his mother.

I want a president who has high standards for America and who is unafraid to let others air those standards.

Rev. Wright holds those standards.  Michelle Obama holds those standards.

What's the alternative... some joker with a flag pin declaring "Mission Accomplished" every five seconds?

Rev. Wright bringing up white privilege could not be more different than Ferraro's blind remarks.  He is the opposite of racist.

Ben Smith absurdly likens the comments and stepping down by Geraldine Ferraro over saying being clumsy blunt with those of the disgustingly anti-American and racist rantings and dismissal of Jeremiah Wright.

Do you proofread your posts? 'Cause I don't know what you're saying here.

1. But I am assuming you can see how somebody endorsed by Hagee can win???

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I cannot see any way which we can win in November with Clinton as our candidate after these Ferraro revelations.

Ferraro is clearly a racist -- or at least does a great impersonation of one in his comments -- and that is not going to fly with the majority of the people in this country, IMO.
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you see how this works?

Because he listened to an NWA cassette in 1992 and did not immediately send out a press release denouncing Ice Cube, Dr. Dre and Easy Mothereffin' E ?

This is pearl clutching at its finest ...

Hell, John Kerry was at a VVAW meeting where the assassination of US Senators was openly discussed.

This came out in 2004, and I had someone dig through the VVAW archives in Madison, WI for me to find out when Kerry actually resigned from the organization. It was after that meeting.

Yes, he resigned. But did he call the FBI or denounce them? No.

Compared to THAT, this is nothing.
 Get a freaking grip, people. Hillary's not going to be the nominee.

And if she does become the nominee through this kind of slimeball politics, she's going to lose a 3rd to half of Obama's voters in the fall, and lose in a landslide to McCain.

So either defend Obama, or run a third arty candidate, because you are making me sick wth your whining and lack of intestinal fortitude.

and disassociate himself with every person in Arkansas and the Entire South who ever made a racial crack in his presence ?

Just wondering ...

I have never voted republican in my life.  I am not saying I will now.  However, i don't support any kind of racism period.  I am at a real crossroads if Obama wins.  Right now, I can't see how i can support a guy that has such close relations to this type of church.  I have no idea how to vote come November.  This sucks because I can't vote republican, but i also don't feel Obama is right for this country.

I am a 32 year old gay white man and have worked hard to change the opinions and feelings of many people close to me.  I know what discrimation is all about.  You don't create progress for your community by painting anyone different than you as the bad guy.  This is exactly what Rev. Wright is doing.  Blaming all whites for blacks problems.  That is racism.  I don't support it nor anyone who buys into it as Obama has.  

People often say that the catholic church is no better.  As a gay man, when i realized what the catholic church's view was on homosexuals & abortion, i walked away.  It wasn't any easy thing to do, having been alter boy and attending catholic schools my whole life.  I wish obama was strong enough to do the same.  Walking away from racist/discriminatory rhetoric is the very least i expect from a potential US president.  Obama as a man has let me down.

has ever issued a press release denouncing Professor Griff of Public Enemy when Griff made an anti-semitic comment on a radio station broadcast in 1991.

What is Obama waiting for ?

For this reason alone, he needs to quit the race now. He has no chance in the swing states because of this grievous failure.

Your credibility was shot about six months ago when you went completely in the tank for Hillary.

Now you're cribbing FOX News talking points.

Congratulations, folks. MyDD has jumped the shark.

this is nothing but hillary supporters last ditch effort to take this nomination.anyone that is seriously arguing that obama believes in HIV conspiracies, or that he hates this country is so past the point of reasonable debate that any response is just futile. this must be the final stage of primary grief.

And Fox News insists on exploring this issue.  I imagine they will continue to explore OBama's relation to Wright for at least a week.  

May we have access to Obama's appointment book?  I desire to know when he was at Trinity.  For I know Obama was "present" when Wright mounted the podium.

Obama is out of touch, outside of the mainstream.

OUT OF TOUCH

Obama had 20 LONG YEARS to DISTANCE himself from this Black bigot.

SERIOUS DAMAGE IS DONE ! And this DAMAGE will ONLY escalate as more americans watch this video.

Would you go to a church with a Pastor who says things like that ?

Would you ask a Pastor like that to marry you?

Would you ask a Pastor like that to baptized your very own kids!

PLEASE! What do you call someone who associates himself for 20 LONG years with a character who spews Anti-White, Anti-American sermons ???

DAMAGE DONE! GAME OVER!

Do you think the 19 Million White Reagan Democrats who are already very skeptical of Obama vote for him after seeing this?

Do you think that the 36 Million white democratic leaning seniors would vote for Obama after seeing this?

Sorry, 20 LONG years is more than enough time to DISTANCE yourself from a Black Bigot !

There are ONLY Two Groups of people in America who are GIVING Obama a FREE pass!

White Liberals & some African-American die hard obama supporters.

The 75% of the country will find this outrageous.

Wright & his followers are No Different than some White  Southern Evangelical Churches. They are all racist!

Mydd's days as a Democratic blog are under 90.

Then Armstrong can go ahead and pimp John McCain.

"As toxic as Farrakhan" is right. How toxic was Farrakhan to Obama's campaign? Not very. Obama made the distinction and the issue died in its crib. This psuedo-scandal, the latest in a long line of sleazy Hail Marys, has no legs. The Clinton camp isn't biting (and good for them, I say). McCain won't touch it. Sadly, some former progressives on MyDD are comfortable getting pwnd by John McCain in the dignity/common sense sweepstakes.

How many fake scandals is this, Jerome? The guy is retired. The video is from 2003. Obama said the guy had said stupid things he disagreed with long ago.

These damp rags aren't going to catch fire, blow on them as you might.

I am as shocked as any of Armstrong espousing right-wing frames to attack Obama but this has nothing to do with race. Let's not be silly.

Yes every political candidate -- and indeed everyone -- should be held responsible for what their church has done.  Catholic candidates who went to mass as adults after knowing about the Inquisition are responsible, at least, for the bad judgment of being associated with a misogynistic anti-semitic genocidal religion -- believing in the teachings that lead to such slaughter and bigotry -- and should be judged accordingly.  In fact, I'd say that all Christians have a very large cross to bear.  Look what Christianity has done over the ages.  Let us atheists start casting the first stones.

And Christians?  They should just STFU if it comes to any other Christians.

Hillary gets very strong support from conservative Catholic Democrats.  Well, they have a wee problem in their own church.  Something like 4,500 priests have been accused of being sexual predators.  Many have already been convicted.

When are we going to require that Hillary and all her Catholic supporters disavow their relationship with these perverted priests?

Waiting...

still refused to issue a press release denouncing Muhammad Ali for refusing to serve his country in Vietnam on the racist, divisive grounds that "No Viet Cong ever called me nigger."

This proves, as if we needed more proof, that Barack Obama is a racist bigot and needs to quit now.

NYG 08 stop the hatred.  Enough.  J.A is not the issue.  Lets stick to the topic guy.  Go watch reruns of the Superbowl.  

On DailyKos they are saying it was worse, I quote "to say that Obama was lucky to be a black man" end quote

Seriously...they said specifically it was worse for one of your financial supporters to say it's lucky to be a black man...than for Obama's spiritual advisor of 20 years to say the AIDS virus was genetically engineered by America to kill all the blacks in genocide

Zephyrus stop the personal attacks.  Lets keep to the facts.

Ok, I am watching Obama's interview with Anderson Cooper.  He is claiming that before he ran for President he had never heard about any of Rev. Wright's more inflammatory statements.  This.. I just don't believe.  I cannot believe he never heard about any of this.. even if he didn't hear it first hand.

Is the plan here to educate the 120 some million white voters out there who will vote in November on how different things are in black churches?  Or is it to convince them all how it really doesn't matter that Obama's spiritual touchstone preaches about sinking to the level of the white man.

When the Catholics, and the white Protestants and all the other self-defining "very religious" people in this country get a daily blast of "God damn America" preached from Obama's pulpit, what exactly is the plan for getting that out of their minds on election day?

And all those folks out there who fly thier flags and support their troops put their hands over their hearts for the National Anthem, how exactly will the liberal blogosphere shame them into seperating the candidate from his America hating advisor of twenty years?

I get the part where, as good card caring liberals, we aren't allowed to be offended by this ourselves, we are supposed to turn a blind eye to outright bigotry, it's our f#cking job to disparage America and make fun of people with patriotic sentiments, and, duh, yeah, we have to support our candidate regardless of how repulsive we find the company he keeps, but, ah, what about the rest of America?

what's the plan again?

newt gingrich claims Obama has a credibility problem.  how did he not know of the anti-american rhetoric of jeremiah wright for twenty years?  

someone should place michelle obama's lack of love of country in proper context.

Here's a link to a story about Norman Hsu, Hillary Clinton's corrupt fundraiser.  Because of Norman Hsu, Hillary is clearly unelectable.  How long until the media remembers this story?  Since the atmosphere is already so poisoned anyway, why not co-opt right-wing attacks on Hillary in return?  

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB1 18835199704811801.html

I expect that some of the nasty race-baiting stuff coming from the Clinton campaign is indeed going to be effective, particularly with the low-information, economically downscale white folks that make up her core constituency.  But that may be more than offset by dramatically enhanced turnout by seriously pissed-off African-American voters.

Taking the low road may not prove to be the winning strategy that Hillary believes it to be.

After 9/11, people got emotional and said lots of things among them, Bill Maher on Political Correctness said terrorists are not cowards. They flew themselves into the buildings. That may be evil but not a coward act. He said this because polititians started calling terrorists cowards. Guess what, he lost his show because of hot heads like you Jerome. Jerry Falwell said it's God's punishment of gay people. So according to Mr. Pinhead, Bill Maher and Jerry Falwell are anti-america? Rev. Wright made some of the same statements, blaming on somebody or something in reaction to 9/11. In this case, he blamed on US past practice of supporting terrorism. Don't tell me you don't think the US supported the Mujahedeens in Afghanistan and death squads in El Salvator among others. Heck, we supported Saddam Hussein. So get a grip man. You are sounding more and more like a right wingnut. You probably think Abu Graib and Quantanamo are proud American Achievements. You are losing it man. May be you're a closet republican or you've freaking lost your head for Hillary Clinton.

Wright made some offensive statements and Obama rejected them. If your dad made a dumb statement, would you be responsible for the,? Would you disown him?

Bottomline is you are anti-Obama. Just say it. I'd love to see your petty ass jumping on the Obama bandwagon when he's won the nomination.

My my, well, Obama can kiss the Jewish vote good-bye, among others......

The day a man is forced to refute some particular contextual part of his personal Christian religion in this country in such a public way is the day he demonstrates true courage and engenders true sympathy among the electorate and the American people. Today, when Obama dealt with all this mess regarding his own pastor, we witnessed the courageous words of a future president. (And this is coming from a Hillary supporter!) Obama is not ready today, but he will be ready in eight years. And he will win.

This struggle highlights the true Christian nature of Obama's personal beliefs and puts to bed any talk of Muslim sympathies. This is essentially JFK's moment in front of the Baptist ministers in Texas when he refuted the Catholic church's hold on him in terms of public policy.

This is actually good for Obama.

This one?

This was posted by one of the other folks here at MYDD today, but it's so right on that I'm repeating it:

"If the 'inevitable' Hillary Clinton, with her 'thirty-five years' experience', is losing to the man she herself says is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief, and whom her supporters call an empty suit, then how is she going to fight the man she's been giving her quasi-endorsement to for the past three weeks?"

tony perkins believes obama is lying. after all, all members know what one's leaders are espousing.

now i understand why michelle obama did not learn to love her country until her husband had a chance to win the democratic nomination.  

let us place michelle obama in proper context.  

Tip o Neill had said that if my spiritial leader says something abhoring, disgusting, I will stand up and walk out of that church. Rev Eugene Rivers said Obama can not be given a pass on this.

Obama lacks spine and character. You dont pick your father, your pick your pastor. What does this tell us about his judgement? And why did it take so long to reject? And why reject only specific statements? Does this mean he agrees with Rev Wright's sentiments?

Why did Obama praise Rev Wright till now instead of walking out of the church?

New catch phrase for the kids?

T shirts and bumper stickers with this new campaign slogan?

Come on people, Obama should drop out.

He can't win the general. Period.