Obama, The Scary Big Taxing Big Spending Liberal

Barack Obama's fundraising asks lately boast of his having to wage a campaign on two fronts, one against Hillary Clinton and one against John McCain and, to that second end, as Senators Obama and Clinton return to Washington for a senate budget debate today, Barack Obama is taking some shots at John McCain, this time for flip-flopping on tax cuts.

Criticizing GOP efforts to extend major tax cuts from Bush's first term and to eliminate the estate tax, Obama said: "These are all steps that John McCain rightly said were irresponsible when they first came up."

"He made a decision to reverse himself on that," Obama told reporters as he flew from Chicago to Washington for a series of Senate votes on budget issues.

"That was how, I guess, you got your ticket punched to be the Republican nominee," he said of McCain. "But he was right then, and he's wrong now."

It's an attack he's used in debates and is effective I think both because of how it's delivered ("he was right the first time...") and also because it goes to McCain's perceived strength, his authenticity and his independence from the Republican party line.  

The McCain response was predictable:

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said in a statement that if Obama is nominated, "the American people will have a clear choice: John McCain will cut taxes while Senator Obama will raise them, hurting our economy and costing jobs for hardworking Americans."

And now Republicans in the senate are using the budget debate to take a jab at Obama by painting him as a big-spending liberal:

While senators gravely speak about the nation's fiscal health all day during the Senate budget debate, they're not above making purely political points aimed at embarrassing one another.

To wit: Sen. Wayne Allard, a Republican from Colorado, has crafted a massive budget amendment that claims to fund every policy proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on the presidential campaign trail. Allard's amendment _ doomed to fail by a significant margin _ includes $1.4 trillion in spending over five years by proposing Obama's universal health care program ($65 billion a year), expanding the Army ($6.6 billion a year) and eliminating income taxes on lower income seniors ($10 billion a year).

Pretty scary stuff. The irony is, of course, that if the senate were to actually pass this amendment congress's approval rating would probably go through the roof. It's laughable to me that the GOP still thinks that in 2008, when we're in the midst of a systematic electoral purge of the party of tax cuts and government de-funding from Washington, that they're still going to the big spending liberal well. If they really want to go there, I like Senator Obama, welcome it.



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Re: Obama, The Scary Big Taxing Big Spending Liber (none / 0)

Actually the spin that he is some kind of Manchurian candidate or black militant is what they seem to be working towards.

They are already weaving the thread.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:07:34 PM EST

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Yeah, but even there they are inconsistent: is he now the "Militant Black Christian" or the "Manchurian Muslim" or the "Anti-Christ"? Doesn't compute. If you have diverging smears going around, I'm pretty sure none will stick - at least not with voters who would consider to vote for a Democrat in the first place.


by marcotom on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:18:27 PM EST
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I really wish I agreed with you (none / 0)

However, in 2004 John Kerry was a "liberal ideologue" and a "flip-flopper" at the same time.

Still, I hope you're right.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:37:28 PM EST
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IF that is the their big strategy than November is going to be even better than I thought.

The bottom line is our electorate is more sophisticated than that and the type of people who are most taken in by such narratives are low information, low percentage voters.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:27:00 PM EST
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You sure about that?
Remember, this is America, land of the 300 million dumb, pushover bosses.
by spirowasright on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:13:07 PM EST
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No, that's your spin.


by Sinbad Sinbad on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:27:36 PM EST
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Obama's attack on McCain is effective and I hope he continues sharpening it.

The beauty of this moment is that we don't need to directly engage the argument on something like taxes.  We can simply point out that, no matter how seductive McCain's slogans may sound, what he's saying is that we should keep on doing what we've been doing.

If this election is about whether we keep on doing what we've been doing under Bush, we cannot lose.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:10:28 PM EST

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In addition to what you say I would also point out that this is in many ways similar to what killed Romney in the Republican Primaries. He tried to be all things to all people and flipped back and forth on so many issues that he looked like a fool.

It is also, in some ways, what happened to John Kerry in 2004 (and that was a far less credible attack than what can be used on John McCain.)

I honestly think the only path the Republicans have back to the White House is an incredibly fractured party where a significant number of Democrats vote for McCain out of what amounts in my mind to petty vindictiveness because "their candidate" didn't get the nomination. I personally would like to believe we are better than that and that all of the anger will, in time, pass.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:30:24 PM EST
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I'd like to amend this comment to point out that I know there are people who are behaving this way who are supporting both candidates- no need to attack me because of who I support.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:31:08 PM EST
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I think we overrate the salience of "flip-flop" as a political attack.  Here, Obama's secondary point is that McCain is changing his position, but his primary point is that McCain is wrong on the merits (as demonstrated in part by his own initial position!)

I always try to remind people that John Kerry's big mistake was not that he voted for the war funding before he voted against it.  His mistake was phrasing it like that.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:33:32 PM EST
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That soundbite killed him.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:46:20 PM EST
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My point isn't that these are the same...it is that they are similar and people think about them in similar ways. If anything it should hurt McCain even more than others because he went into this with his main strength being his credibility and he has squandered it.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:47:32 PM EST
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It's definitely something we can go after.  Obama's speech in Texas, where he complimented McCain's long history of straight talk and independence, wasn't really his finest moment.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:53:12 PM EST
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He always tells some good stuff about McCain before bashing him, I think this is the right strategy. Most people have a very positive opinion of McCain, if you just start by bashing him, you will lose them before they even start listening to the damaging material.


by marcotom on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:58:32 PM EST
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Yes, but there's nice stuff you can say about McCain that doesn't involve complimenting him on the very thing we're trying to disprove!  Talk about how great it is that he still has all his teeth or something.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:03:10 PM EST
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How often has he used the refrain that the straight talk express is in the ditch?  I've heard it several times in the debates so far.  


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:05:24 PM EST
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I was talking about the specific speech he gave in Texas, where there was a line I didn't like.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:21:13 PM EST
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He complemented him on his service to the country.  Not his "straight talk".


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:52:32 PM EST
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$1.4 trillion (none / 0)

I believe those costs over 5 years add up to 0.4 trillion.


by JoeFelice on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:38:44 PM EST

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I really object to the title of this diary. This kind of low information personal attack entries is turning this whole website into the gutter.


McBush: ''Doesnt' know that much about economics''
by PrinceCA on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:38:46 PM EST

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McCain isn't the only one going after Obama from the right on taxes - Clinton did too, in New Jersey.  She sent out a mailer right before February 5th that not so subtly implied that Barack Obama was going to tax the middle class back to the stone age, at the cost of $1 trillion.  A true classic, and I hadn't heard "tax and spend liberal," implicitly or explicitly, for a long time.

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by expatriatedjerseyan on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:40:09 PM EST

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It's really simple...

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

If you want universal health insurance, someone has to pay for it.  If you want prompt and effective responses to terrorist attacks and natural disasters, someone has to pay for it.  If you want highway bridges that don't fall into the Mississippi River, someone has to pay for it.  If you want a war without end, someone has to pay for it.  And that someone is us.

Why can't people understand this?


by KTinOhio on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:41:45 PM EST

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In a world where there were taxes for only the most basic of services, would the Republican Party even continue to exist?

Someone should circulate the picture of Bush and McCain cutting a birthday cake the day Katrina hit.  No taxes = no services = no infrastructure = people die.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM EST


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