"...At the Expense of Everything Else"

Cross-posted at Daily Kos.

Merry Christmas, John McCain!

Well, in a year where all of the signs were pointing to decisive Democratic victory in the November general election, the progressive movement is imploding, deadlocked on how to handle controversial primary votes cast in Michigan and Florida and bickering over controversial comments made by 1984 Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro.

Be you a Clinton partisan or an Obama partisan, the headlines should be making you very nervous right now.  The racial tensions that exploded after the New Hampshire and buried at the Nevada debate have exploded again and neither campaign seems likely to back down.

The cycle of offense and apology -- on racial grounds and others -- has become a familiar feature of this campaign. But both campaigns swerved deliberately from the pattern Tuesday, choosing confrontation over delicate compromise.

Ms. Ferraro's resignation from Hillary Clinton's finance committee, a largely ceremonial post for major fundraisers, is unlikely to end the turmoil, especially with progressive MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann planning a special comment on Hillary's campaign on tonight's show.  From the Huffington Post:

It's a significant moment, because it marks the first time a full-throated special comment will have been directed exclusively at a Democrat. Not just the Democrats, whom Olbermann accused along with the Republicans last May for failing to do anything to get the country out of Iraq, but one particular Democrat -- a Democrat whom, incidentally, he did a special comment defending in July after the Defense Dept. sent her a letter accusing her of facilitating anti-U.S. propaganda by demanding to know whether the administration had conceived of an exit strategy from Iraq.

I stopped downloading Olbermann's podcasts last summer because I felt that his angry tone was not good for the progressive movement and I often felt negative emotions--anger, frustration, grief--after listening to his shows.  This will have the effect of driving away even more Clinton supporters from his show and further dividing progressive activists.  

As if the racial tensions were enough, the momentum toward re-votes in Michigan and Florida has come to a halt, with the Florida Democratic Congressional Delegation declaring its opposition to any kind of re-vote:

"Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind," the state's Democratic House delegation said in a statement sent to CNN by the office of Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Senator Clinton would prefer to seat the delegations in their current form, which would net her between 56 and 111 delegates, depending on how the uncommitted delegates in Michigan are allocated.  That said, she is willing to hold new primary contests.  The Obama campaign, however, appears to be opposed to holding new primary contests, perhaps preferring to split the delegates 50-50:

Mr. Obama's did not spell out his Plan B, but he said that any revote would be problematic, particularly if conducted by mail in Michigan and Florida, two states that have never conducted a mail-in election. He said he would like to see the Michigan and Florida delegations seated in an "equitable" way, without spelling out what that would mean.

Obama advisers declined on Wednesday to say what a fair distribution of delegates would look like but have floated a plan to apportion the delegates 50-50, wiping out any advantage that Mrs. Clinton might have gained from the votes in January and essentially making the two states meaningless in the nomination fight.

As I wrote a few days ago, polling data has made it very clear that, despite Senator Obama's belief to the contrary, he will not automatically receive Senator Clinton's supporters should he be the nominee, especially if she goes down under heavy fire of racial accusations and unresolved votes in the Florida and Michigan.  Polling data in Michigan has made it very clear that the core supporters of both candidates have no compunction about voting for John McCain should their candidate lose.

If Clinton wins the nomination, just 50% of Obama voters say they would be even somewhat likely to vote for her against John McCain. Thirty-five percent (35%) say they are Not at All Likely to vote for Clinton in the general election.

On the other hand, if Obama wins the nomination, just 52% of Clinton voters would be even somewhat likely to vote for him against John McCain. Twenty-five percent (25%) say they are Not at All Likely to vote for Obama in the general election.

Racial politics.  Illegitimate elections.  With the progressive movement spiraling toward a train wreck, I can't help but recall the words of Simon Bolivar, the South American revolutionary whose movement helped to free a continent from colonial rule, only to it slip into the chaos of civil conflict:

"We have achieved our independence at the expense of everything else."

With the wind at our backs, with the progressive movement on the verge of a great victory in the fall, are we going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?  Is the nominee going to clinch the nomination at the expense of alienating a crucial part of the progressive coalition?

It's time for the adults to intervene to prevent this tragedy from unfolding.  Al Gore, it's time to pick up the phone.



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"...At the Expense of Everything Else" (2.00 / 2)

from rasmussen:

If Clinton wins the nomination, just 50% of Obama voters say they would be even somewhat likely to vote for her against John McCain. Thirty-five percent (35%) say they are Not at All Likely to vote for Clinton in the general election. On the other hand, if Obama wins the nomination, just 52% of Clinton voters would be even somewhat likely to vote for him against John McCain. Twenty-five percent (25%) say they are Not at All Likely to vote for Obama in the general election.

so we lose either 25% or 35% of the democratic voters in the general election, depending on who gets the nomination. wonderful.
by campskunk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:18:56 PM EST

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It's not too late to avoid this.  But the only solution may be a unity ticket.


Atdleft's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:31:34 PM EST
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..At the Expense of Everything Else" (none / 0)


by campskunk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:25:36 PM EST
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excellent diary (2.00 / 2)

I have no respect left for K.O.  What sort of professional news man would pump up the hate the way he has and then go on dkos and pander to that lot of silly freepers and clueless victimized liberals?


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:27:23 PM EST

BTW (none / 0)

what do you envision Gore doing to help this situation?


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:28:49 PM EST

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He will pressure Hillary to drop out.


by carbocation on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:39:11 PM EST
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please stop trying to provoke a negative response.  That's not a good solution to heal the party.

Every candidate has the right to see through it the race.   It's her/his decision to decide on that subject.  Every Hillary supporters want all their vote been count.  The same way as all Obama supporters wants.

If someone pressures Hillary to drop out, and assume that she did.  Do you honestly believe that her supporters would vote for a Democrat nominee in the GE?  After all these hard feeling?  You don't like my candidate as much as I don't like yours.  The candidate can only win the rest of democrat vote if the winning is done with justice.   The only chance that he may be able to win my vote is if I perceive that he deserves the winning trophy.  


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:52:16 PM EST
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Yes they will, or all women in the US will lose the right to a legal abortion.


by carbocation on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:06:46 PM EST
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don't count on anything.   if voters perceive that he 'robbed' the nomination, or he won't stay true to his vote.  McCain's greatest virtual is 'always tell the truth'.  And one of Obama problem is he doesn't seem to be consistence with his truth all the time.

DEM voters might vote for McCain, and some might be absent from general election altogether.  

Already if DEM don't seat FL & MI, it's high chance that GOP will win these 2 states in GE.


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:13:37 PM EST
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He won't pressure Hillary to drop out. That would look bad, if it came out.

He'll pressure her to stop the ugly, divisive campaigning instead. I can't believe it'll work... but it's better than nothing.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:57:23 PM EST
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I respect that you feel that way.

But I also feel that Obama run an ugly and divisive campaign.

There are many instants that he did that.  The latest one was in MS.

He told MS voters in a rally that Clinton circulated the picture of him in muslin garb.  Back in OH, he already accepted Clinton didn't leak the picture.  I don't understand why he "misled" the voter in MS again to get their votes.  I think that's qualify as an "ugly" and divisive campaign.   "She attacked me", "She attacked you" campaign.  Obama should be told to stop misleading the voters.


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:06:54 PM EST
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Another question is who get hurts?

Who get hurts every time the accusation resurface that the picture has been circulate?


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:16:22 PM EST
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Obama and his minions are the ones running a nasty race based campaign. All his smiles and fine words won't cover that up.


by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18:37 PM EST
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In my view, Obama run the race-oriented message when it benefits him.  During these 4 states that you mention, he didn't bring it up.

But when the race goes to the AA states, he brought up the issue.  And a lot of AA are under peer pressure to vote for Obama.  There is a video in youtube that a young AA made, he was called a 'house #igger' because he voted for Hillary.  This peer pressure resonate with what Obama surrogate pressured AA super delegate to switch to Obama.  The remark such as do you want to be the one that stand in the way of a brother and the presidency.  That is a race-oriented message.

In MS he also tried to gain sympathy from AA voters by saying that Hillary circulated the picture of him in muslim garb.  The incident has already be debunked back in OH, and Obama already accepted that Hillary didn't leak the photo.

This is a kind of race-oriented message that I see and it helps him win the AA vote in the south.  But I am sure that he won't bring that up when we move to the north like in PA.

In Idaho and Maine basically Clinton didn't campaigned as much as Obama, probably because Clinton need to preserve the fund.  There were little ads run in those states.  In Iowa, it was the caucus, and obviously Clinton was not prepared for the environment in caucus system.  Obama was more prepared and he deserved to win there.  In Wyoming, Clinton was better prepared for the caucus.  The score was a respectable 7O/5C.


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:51:18 PM EST
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The power of his endorsement might give him some leverage over the candidates to do something behind the scenes.  


Atdleft's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:20:56 AM EST
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he's a sports writer (none / 0)

and he's got a hair up his butt over Hillary. I'm pretty sure he's sincere, and is really as dumb as he seems.  I'd boycott MSNBC but I already don't purchase erectile dysfunction medicine, do they have any other sponsors. Is it true that Hillary supporters poll as not using erectile dysfunction medicine, but that those who watch Keith are big users of aforesaid erectile dysfunction medicine?  


by anna shane on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:35:17 PM EST

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Olbermann speaks the truth. Hillary has crossed the line.


by carbocation on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:41:06 PM EST
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Olberman has crossed over so many lines, he cant get it up straight.  I think he needs that erectile disfunction medicine that is advertised on his show.


by moi moi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:44:40 PM EST
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Olberman has crossed the line of no return. If the obama camp isn't playing the race card why did they let a memo leak and get posted on Huffington Post.  Because they want to feed the fire.  They need it that's what happens when your an empty suit.


by bradydundee on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:28:26 PM EST
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The following comment is posted in dailyKos by an Obama supporter in reponse to Olbermann dairy.  And I think he's very fair.   'Fair' is so rare these days.  If Oberman is fair, he need to do the same coverage for McCain and Obama.  But instead he jumps into a bandwagon of Obama's campaign.

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Sorry, I can't rec your diary. (1+ / 0-)

This is all part of "campaign" strategy for bad or good. It's up to the citizen voters to decide.

But when you write and air Special Comments for what the government is doing to the people, your view (which I wholeheartedly agree with), that's a different story.

I think you're jumping into someone's campaign, rather than reporting on it. Are you a pundit? Or what would you classify yourself as?

I immensely respect you and admire your intellect as well as your humor, but I disagree with your stance on this issue of campaigning.

by gooderservice on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:29:10 PM PDT


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:57:37 PM EST
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Hillary hasn't crossed any line.  Every time the hero(Obama) gets into a close spot out comes the race card


by bradydundee on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25:31 PM EST
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Anna, you are right on target.

By the way, I dont want Gore to intervene at all. Bill Clinton was president, not Gore. Clinton knows how to win general elections. I think the exact opposite of conventional wisdom will happen. If Obama wins, many catholics, hispanics, Reagan Democrats will vote for McCain. If Clinton wins, all of the African Americans, and almost all of the progressives will vote for her. Less than 100,000 progressive bloggers will vote for Nader or Libertarian.


by moi moi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:41:38 PM EST
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And besides, if we truly do implode with Obama as our nominee. We will need someone untainted by this mess to win in 12. Gore and Edwards should run away from this mess. Talk about the enviroment, and anything but this election.


by moi moi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:43:21 PM EST
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Maybe we should just nominate Edwards. (none / 0)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:41:36 PM EST

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that actually might be a fine solution.


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:45:22 PM EST
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Screw that I support Hillary!


by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:20:24 PM EST
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"might"


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:59:22 PM EST
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Democrat turnout in GE (2.00 / 1)

There are many things wrong with this primary.  I'm not going to blame it on one camp or the other.  Both are fighting for the same prize.  Both are equally guilty for trying to win the match.  Everything is fair in love and war.  

In a boxing match, the referee is the one with sole responsibility to keep the 2 sides within the rules.  Imagine 2 boxers on the ring with no referee. Inside the ring won't be pretty.  And the spectators of the 2 sides will start fighting in the arena.  That's what happening in this primary.  The referee has been missing the whole match.  

DNC sit on its butt. Howard Dean made a huge mistake even before the race began.  He can't control the states to stay with its original primary date.  There were 5 states that moved the date forward.  FL DEM can't do anything because GOP control state moved the date.  But FL DEM got punished.  And why only 2 states got punished?  And why not deduct the delegate in half?  The first round started with doubt already set firmly in the mind of the 2 boxers and supporters.

What is done is done.  We can only save what is remain of Democrat soul.  DNC need to sort out FL and MI to get the most transparent result.  Make it fair and square.  So winner would win with dignity.  And loser would lost gracefully.  

And party seniors need to stop weighting their opinions around in public.  When one side does, the other has to do the same to counter the attack.  Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Blitzer, Ferraro, stop talking to the media.  If you have anything to say about the current state of affair of DNC primary, call a meeting, say it to your colleague and sort it out.  You are making a mess.

Otherwise DNC will witness the unthinkable.  With the record breaking turnout in Primary, Democrat party might have the lowest GE turnout in history.

And yes, Merry Christmas John McCain.


by JoeySky18 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM EST

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I totally agree. Dean sucks! I cant believe people actually wanted that guy as president :)


by moi moi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:47:06 PM EST
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